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[QUOTE=Goku17;6671095]Even though the guy in Torrance got caught, I feel like we'll be ok. They have obvious hookers walking Figueroa street at 2-3 am in the morning and cops just drive by.[/QUOTE]I was going to say wasn't there a recent law that passed in CA easing up on it? But I think its mainly for those loitering types in the street.
[QUOTE=Goku17;6671095]Even though the guy in Torrance got caught, I feel like we'll be ok. They have obvious hookers walking Figueroa street at 2-3 am in the morning and cops just drive by.[/QUOTE]And let's not forget all the "spas" that may or may not look like a scene from 'Rush Hour 2'.
[QUOTE=NintyNine;6670560]This DOJ report reads like a movie.
They were following these guys around everywhere. You can imagine how many cameras the feds have set up in our area. Details about the LA operations must be fully known now.
This is a relatively easy case for homeland security. All cooperating suspects, unlike drug dealers and other criminals.[/QUOTE]These weren't some local police busting an AMP. This was the feds and their investigation that started in 2020. With that much homework, going through trash, getting customers for interrogation, bank trails etc, there is virtually no way that guy in the report didn't have shops stood up in Los Angeles. Someone (s) definitely going to pay the piper. That said, the market and population for mongers is DEEP here. I would be surprised if they chose to prosecute johns. There's just really too many and California courts are backed up as is. Keep your nose clean, don't do anything stupid for your favorite girl I. E. Lease an apartment in your name for them to work out of etc.
[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;6670256]I would love to drop more reviews but since like 80 or 90% of girls I can't see because they can't take magnum. Anytime I discover a new girl who let's me go super Saiyan on her I let the board know.[/QUOTE]Go to Brazil and Colombia. Asians are built to serve Asians. And well. You know.
I'm sure there are exceptions, and I'm sure everyone reading this is one.
[QUOTE=Goku17;6671095]Even though the guy in Torrance got caught, I feel like we'll be ok. They have obvious hookers walking Figueroa street at 2-3 am in the morning and cops just drive by.[/QUOTE]Never Monger in Torrance. Just memorize that rule. There is a whole other world that excludes Torrance. You're missing nothing but a long drive by always skipping Torrance.
Torrance is the Asian capital of we know what you do there but you don't do it here because we live here. Go next door.
[QUOTE=KingsFoil;6671307]Never Monger in Torrance. Just memorize that rule. There is a whole other world that excludes Torrance. You're missing nothing but a long drive by always skipping Torrance.
Torrance is the Asian capital of we know what you do there but you don't do it here because we live here. Go next door.[/QUOTE]I feel like they fucked up by stepping in wealthier areas and into the suburbs. No one gives a fuck if the demographics are a minority unless some housewife or children start asking why the neighbor gets so much traffic. Police in downtown and in the ghetto's have bigger fish to fry. Torrance? You'll get ticketed for J-walking.
[QUOTE=ItsNotNothing2;6671329]I feel like they fucked up by stepping in wealthier areas and into the suburbs. No one gives a fuck if the demographics are a minority unless some housewife or children start asking why the neighbor gets so much traffic. Police in downtown and in the ghetto's have bigger fish to fry. Torrance? You'll get ticketed for J-walking.[/QUOTE]Statistically, it's almost nothing. Back when marijuana was illegal everywhere, they arrested 820,000 people a year for marijuana (8. 2 million were arrested from 2001 to 2010 in the USA). Today, the USA arrests 70,000 a year for prostitution. The DOJ case involves 3 for "high end" prostitution, which is rare. So 3 people out of the 70,000 made the news. High end arrests make the news but are a drop in the bucket.
The agencies are way safer than the average person picking a girl off the streets (you can read users on this site talking about it all the time). And having a network rating really helps with both safety (LE is not the main concern, your safety and the safety of the girl is) and service. And guy who misbehaves is cut out so it doesn't happen often, and no girl has ever run off with your money or scammed me, the worst case scenario is I don't like a girl. 34 out of 35 times I'd rate the girl a 7 or higher. It's all because of the system, other places don't even come close to that.
Then there's the California factor, where it is just a misdemeanor (no you cannot lose your medical license. Not unless you were doing it with your own patient! Streetwalkers are now common in many downtown areas again because of the latest loosening of the law (they can no longer investigate someone for 'loitering' which ended up harassing some innocent women). Statistics also show they don't charge most people they arrest, and most people who are charged do not serve prison time. They are looking for rock solid cases with good evidence, or in the DOJ case someone that lured all their agents in with beautiful porn star experience women and they need to set an example. The DOJ will probably not charge their own employees. In past cases that made the news they were disciplined administratively because they don't want to lose employees. Hah!
So yes there is always some risk, but it is very low and at least we aren't using drugs.
I didn't know prostitution is just a misdemeanor in Cali.
Good info. Back to mongering.
[QUOTE=FreeWally;6670395]Hi, I hate to to bring bad news but felt it responsible to bring some awareness to this. This morning (Nov 8) 3 brothel owners were arrested (2 in Boston, 1 in Torrance) and while the CNN article doesn't talk about it, the DOJ website confirms this is an Asian agency operating in Massachusetts and Tysons Virginia. For reasons I will describe, this may affect Socal in the future. Read here:
[URL]https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/three-arrested-operating-high-end-brothel-network[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.html[/URL]
Some facts from their website, which all appear credible:
The two websites were [URL]bostontopten10.com[/URL] and browneyesgirlsva. Blog, the first of which is already domain seized.
DOJ was tipped off starting last year in the summer of 2022. They noticed these appointments in phones they put under surveillance, and they interviewed 20 customers.
They claim some of the customers were government officials, which is credible, which would also automatically explain why the phones were under surveillance (people were using their government work phone to visit the places). Or it could have been another reason, but there is no reason to doubt this since it is a minor detail.
The three locations in question were Cambridge, Watertown, and Tysons (Virginia).
The most expensive apartment rented was $3,664, and the owners often paid by turning cash into money orders and using the money orders to pay bills and rent (pretty smart actually!
DOJ claims the price ranges from $350 to upwards of $600 per hour (Okay if true that's a bit steep but this place offered doubles so yeah that would do it).
They went out of their way to emphasize this is a high end brothel with high end customers charging (relatively) top dollar. Not sure why but they repeated variations of this many times.
The investigation is ongoing.
Some of my own observations:
Many girls who worked in Socal, when you look up their TER, often have worked in Tysons and East Coast. Often a few weeks or months before working the West Coast. So while there may be no direct affiliation at all (there probably isn't, they are probably just sharing girls between different businesses that refer each other), it means the network is exposed and DOJ has a lead to investigate completely different agencies.
The reason I post this info here is for that reason. No Socal agencies are directly affected, but they have a lead. If the different businesses are isolated like "cells" enough, it can take time and DOJ might just take the lowest hanging fruit and move on. In past investigations, they could not scratch the surface other than take down a few closely linked agencies (ex: Seattle). And here we are today with way more agencies than years ago in the last local bust. It is expensive and time consuming. Of course it helps that some of their own employees were presumably caught with the evidence on government phones. DOJ employees LOVE prostitutes if you follow the news.
I do have my suspicion that Hana in Socal is probably the leaser in other places in Socal (she is only indicted here for her role in Boston and Virginia). So there's that.
By the way, even if and when they investigate other agencies, as you can see it can take a very long time, 6-18 months, to bear fruit. They have not indicted any girls or customers but say they are still investigating. But in past cases, it is not generally a good use of investigation time to indict them unless you are running a sting and can get the evidence quick and easy (I. E. It is ten times as much work to get good evidence without a sting and it is less likely to be good enough for court).
You can read the 60 page affidavit here if you're curious. I've read many in the past and it's always fun because they have to spell all the facts out:
[URL]https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf[/URL]
Very little is redacted so you can see actual text messages, addresses. One excerpt from the affidavit <the following are the DOJ officer's words, not mine:
"As depicted above, women nicknamed "Kara," "Tina" and "Mimi" were offered to.
The Customer A). I am aware that the reference above to "BB" is a term in the prostitution industry.
That refers to sex without a condom, as evidenced by the Boston Brothel Phone clarifying in its.
Subsequent text of "(BB = without CD" I am also aware that "GFE" refers to "GirlFriend.
Experience" which provides a more intimate experience and blurs the boundaries between a.
Financial transaction and a romantic relationship. Generally speaking, when hen the customers.
Arrived at the apartment unit, they did not knock; the door was opened by an Asian female inside.
Who was expecting them. ".
<End transcript .
I was enjoying reading their take on things. It *almost* sounded as if they personally visited several times to get serviced and corroborate the facts, but then again they claim to have interviewed 20 customers (including themselves? Jk).
Please do not be too alarmed. This is normal and happens every few years. It is an inherent risk. Prostitution should be legalized and already is in many countries (and parts of the USA like Nevada) but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]There is a similar article in NorCal, I strongly believe all these K-Orgs are somewhat interconnected or different branches of the K-Orgs are. I am certain most law agency are well aware of the K-ORG in apartments, but right now its not a high priority. A good friend of mine has been warning me for a couple of years that one day this whole thing will come crashing down. I highly doubt it will be local PD that will do it, as its more or less out of sight out of mind. They will go after the guy picking up a SW in the wifes SUV. More than likely there are cops who are clients of K-Orgs. If / when it does come crashing down it will be at a federal level. When it really comes down to it I doubt they care what two consenting adults, but what it really comes down to is all the money that's changing hands and they get ZERO tax revenue out of it.
[URL]https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11/07/nine-arrested-in-sprawling-santa-clara-county-sex-trafficking-ring/[/URL]
Next year is an election year, so it could be a "good time" for a show of force.
[QUOTE=ItsNotNothing2;6671329]I feel like they fucked up by stepping in wealthier areas and into the suburbs. No one gives a fuck if the demographics are a minority unless some housewife or children start asking why the neighbor gets so much traffic. Police in downtown and in the ghetto's have bigger fish to fry. Torrance? You'll get ticketed for J-walking.[/QUOTE]There was a K house in Newport Beach in the early 2010's and the city found a way to bust them. The owner was turned to the fed / immigration and she was deported.
Kbliss Thursday lineup.
Viki Iris BabyYuna Maia Juni.
[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;6671582]I strongly believe all these K-Orgs are somewhat interconnected or different branches of the K-Orgs are. I am certain most law agency are well aware of the K-ORG in apartments, but right now its not a high priority. A good friend of mine has been warning me for a couple of years that one day this whole thing will come crashing down.[/QUOTE]This is just my personal opinion based on my experience but I agree with you that it definitely feels like there is some sort of connection between some agencies but not all. Which explains why it's so much easier to get approved by a new org when one of your references just happens to be one the booker is familiar with.
From all my conversations with mongers and providers I also think these girls are not being forced into this line of work. I once hung out with one OTC and she was essentially just paying for her and her mom to live here instead of being in Korea with her abusive father. She left the industry when she married, which I presume means he can provide for her so she no longer needed to work.
Right now my worries are two fold. How much info will these 3 people who were arrested give up on LA houses. And now quickly will the DOJ drop the next hammer? Typically they have been investigating things in multiple cities for a while and when the first hammer drops, it's not long before the next one drops relatively quickly (within the next 6 months) because they don't want their investigation to go cold because the other individuals they were investigating stop their activities.
Like your friend. I've been seeing the writing on the wall that this would eventually come crashing down as it rose in popularity and volume. The DOJ doesn't go after small fish. Especially post 2020 it feels like the k girl scene has gotten bigger than ever before.
Also saw several posts on the Seattle bust. And I agree. This thing goes in cycles. Elections mean there's a push for conclusions of these investigations in case the elected official leaves their post. Plus it also looks good for reelection purposes. So between now and the end of 2024 you're going to see 2 things. Some mongers being more careful (booking less often) and others enjoying the lower demand (now you might be able to book that super popular girl that was always busy when you ask).
As for the industry and Specifically the Kgirl scene. Even if this bust has a wider ranging effect on the Asian girl scene. 18-24 months later you had another one pop up. Again just look at the Seattle example.
[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;6671582]There is a similar article in NorCal, I strongly believe all these K-Orgs are somewhat interconnected or different branches of the K-Orgs are. I am certain most law agency are well aware of the K-ORG in apartments, but right now its not a high priority. A good friend of mine has been warning me for a couple of years that one day this whole thing will come crashing down. I highly doubt it will be local PD that will do it, as its more or less out of sight out of mind. They will go after the guy picking up a SW in the wifes SUV. More than likely there are cops who are clients of K-Orgs. If / when it does come crashing down it will be at a federal level. When it really comes down to it I doubt they care what two consenting adults, but what it really comes down to is all the money that's changing hands and they get ZERO tax revenue out of it.
[URL]https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11/07/nine-arrested-in-sprawling-santa-clara-county-sex-trafficking-ring/[/URL]
Next year is an election year, so it could be a "good time" for a show of force.[/QUOTE]When run like independent cells, they are much harder to bust. What I mean is that there are far more K-Orgs and AMPs than before despite enforcement.
In the Santa Clara case you linked, the workers were from South America and Mexico. Competition is a good thing because LE has to pick and choose the lowest fruit to go after and call it a day.
Ironically in Tijuana where it is 100% legal it is less safe than incall in California. People say to go TJ all the time and it has its charm and is safe as long as you stay inside the clubs and use a taxi, but if you are on the streets outside the club you are fair game for corrupt police looking to shake down tourists. Seen it with my own eyes and have known people who experienced it. So there's that.
Two quotes from the article:
"Slavery was outlawed in this country in 1865. In 2023 we will not tolerate its despicable resurgence," Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen said in a statement. " Wow does this guy have an upcoming election or does he always talk like this? The girls I personally know come and leave to work whenever they want. They decide.
"The alleged traffickers 'used the ill-gotten and laundered proceeds to further a lavish lifestyle,' prosecutors said, adding authorities seized more than $200,000 in cash and froze assets including cryptocurrency. " Okay I'm confused are they trying to discourage or promote this thing? They just said it's better than robbing the bank. Oh well.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE[/URL]
I just saw this video about life in Seoul. Now I understand better why these girls do what they do.
It's a hard knock life over there.
[QUOTE=FreeWally;6671747]When run like independent cells, they are much harder to bust. What I mean is that there are far more K-Orgs and AMPs than before despite enforcement.
In the Santa Clara case you linked, the workers were from South America and Mexico. Competition is a good thing because LE has to pick and choose the lowest fruit to go after and call it a day.
Ironically in Tijuana where it is 100% legal it is less safe than incall in California. People say to go TJ all the time and it has its charm and is safe as long as you stay inside the clubs and use a taxi, but if you are on the streets outside the club you are fair game for corrupt police looking to shake down tourists. Seen it with my own eyes and have known people who experienced it. So there's that.
Two quotes from the article:
"Slavery was outlawed in this country in 1865. In 2023 we will not tolerate its despicable resurgence," Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen said in a statement. " Wow does this guy have an upcoming election or does he always talk like this? The girls I personally know come and leave to work whenever they want. They decide.
"The alleged traffickers 'used the ill-gotten and laundered proceeds to further a lavish lifestyle,' prosecutors said, adding authorities seized more than $200,000 in cash and froze assets including cryptocurrency. " Okay I'm confused are they trying to discourage or promote this thing? They just said it's better than robbing the bank. Oh well.[/QUOTE]The real moral of the story is never even give your I'd or passport info to any booker. Those who do, open themselves to being a top targets.