"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My roommate put up a new SD profile and she is getting swamped with offers.
I have read all the replies and these are my observations.

1. There are guys tryin to get something for nothing. She has her rate posted in her profile.
Reasonable (but not low) considering her stats and location. So why waste their time and hers?

2. There are guys that think she is a pro. Well she sorta is (admittedly). They want a total non pro exclusive arrangement, not a UTR girl. Another time waster.

3. Bragging too much. Are you going to give HER a yacht?. A yacht or a room. Who cares?. Its about the money.

4. Want to kidnap her. LOL. Looking for a live in arrangement. Not going to happen.

5. They sound normal, agree to meet for dinner and see if there is any chemistry.
(pretty standard m&g)(no sugar required). And guess what?. They get to meet her.

So this is not rocket science.
Unless you are chasing a first time non pro newbie (as many of us are) well then the game is on.

She would be considered a GPS girl by this threads standards.
But a couple of lucky guys do get in for less for a variety of reasons.

So the moral of the story? There isn't one. This is just an isolated case study.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801632]My roommate put up a new SD profile and she is getting swamped with offers.

I have read all the replies and these are my observations.

1. There are guys tryin to get something for nothing. She has her rate posted in her profile.

Reasonable (but not low) considering her stats and location.

2. There are guys that think she is a pro. Well she sorta is. They want a total non pro exclusive arrangement, not a UTR girl. OK, no problem but why waste her time?

3. Bragging too much. Are you going to give HER a yacht. A yacht or a room. Who cares. Its about the money.

4. Want to kidnap her. LOL. Looking for a live in arrangement. Not going to happen.

5. They sound normal, agree to meet for dinner and see if there is any chemistry (pretty standard m&g) no sugar required). And guess what. They get to meet her.

So this is not rocket science. Unless you are chasing a first time non pro newbie (as many of us are).

Then the game is on.

She would be considered a GPS girl by this threads standards.

But a couple of lucky guys do get in for less for a variety of reasons.

So the moral of the story? There isn't one. This is just an isolated case study.[/QUOTE]I concur with the list from the other side of the mirror. I just joined the SD world and it crack me up what some of these girls want.

1. $100 to just M&G. Yeah, right? Has semi-pro written all over them. I would not mind giving something when unexpected at the M&G, but to ask upfront. I'll pass on that one.

2. $400 and $800 for M&G and if everything goes well, the FC. The problem here is not just price, but no one wants to commit to no sugar if we do not get along. I smell real PROs here just clocking time for her presence.

3. Found a couple on SD4M that I am working on for M&G. One agrees to the FC already if it seems right. Funny, these two never mention a thing about sugar. Think I will work on these two.

Well that is my experience after 6 days in SD / SB world. Thanks for all your help guys. Got the green dot card, TracFone etc. all set up and email / alias. You name it. Feels like James Bond in reverse.

Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.
No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $)(pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"

I think I got most of the lingo down. But "GPS" and "Nando 1" have me stumped? I think there was a link once to these terms, but when I search I get nothing. Thanks.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1801738]I think I got most of the lingo down. But "GPS" and "Nando 1" have me stumped? I think there was a link once to these terms, but when I search I get nothing. Thanks.[/QUOTE]GPS= Golden Pussy Syndrome. Girls who think that a vagina will bring them ridiculous amounts of untold wealth because there is no other in the world like it.

For Nando1 I had to search back a ways. I had the general idea but wanted the exact words of wisdom. In the course of my search I was struck by the ebb and flow of specific posters over time. I think Hernando did post recently, but not as often as he did in the past. Anyway, here is one of the past posts on the "Nando scale". I think there was a prior post from Hernando with this scale, but I ran out of time to search what has become a very long thread.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1330891]HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3s or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system :

Nando 1. Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support. Or worse. A hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records. You all know them. I have met quite a few.

Nando 2. Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. I know quite a few of these also but it is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I'd them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you. 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate, and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked)

Nando 3-HYBs, HCBs, or a combo of several classifications. They are frequently looking for a sexual romp with NSA and some extra $$ to buy more clothes;

4). MILFs. These are older girls (women) who are looking for support, and I have added another one;

5) Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. To name a few.

I like HCB. Because my SO, HYB, HCB love of my life is a Nando 3 and 5 combo. She is highly educated, very smart, absolutely no drama, and just a joy to be with. This is the category that I will forever play in. I hope my Baby will elect to keep me around but if things change I will be looking in that group for my next baby. For me the educated girls are so much more success driven and are usually not in desperate straits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1801763]GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. Girls who think that a vagina will bring them ridiculous amounts of untold wealth because there is no other in the world like it.[/QUOTE]This is a much better definition of "Golden Pussy Syndrome" than the one I used when I introduced GPS to the board in the early days. That girl was a realtor in real life. She had a bad case of it.

The board seemed to latch onto it because there is a lot of GPS going around.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.[/QUOTE]Nicely done. An alternative would have been to ignore her "cocky asshole" comment. That's the approach that I usually take. If a girl says that to me in person shortly after we've met, I usually laugh, smile and change the subject. The idea is that you really don't care what she thinks of you at that point. If we've already established some rapport and I get the "I thought you were a cocky asshole at first, but you're not" much like Hollywood received. I usually pause, and say "there's a fine line between cocky and confidence and most guys can't pull it off". The girl usually nods and then goes into a story about some cocky youngster she knows.

BTW Hollywood. I did see the SD4M ad for your roommate based on a pic you posted here. I was in LA last week visiting my flight attendant on a layover, and I looked around to fill some time. I would have sent her a note, but I remembered you said she doesn't like to kiss! I think she also had two profiles up for a bit.

I second the need for a glossary. The Nando scale confused me until someone just posted it. I'd suggest someone put it up and make it sticky here. That seems the easiest for all.

A lot has happened since my last update. Work has been crushing me, two of my regulars either moved on or were given walking papers. I'll try and update later today in between meetings.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1801780]This is a much better definition of "Golden Pussy Syndrome" than the one I used when I introduced GPS to the board in the early days. That girl was a realtor in real life. She had a bad case of it.

The board seemed to latch onto it because there is a lot of GPS going around.[/QUOTE]Thank you Dsprdo and Golfcart for the help. I get it now. Hernando, I agree the educated Nando 3/5 combo is a winner.

Terms. From me, no GPS, but may be good for newbies.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1727823]We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.[/QUOTE]

DAMMMMN. Looks like yo already F%ked her brains out. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.

No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $) pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"[/QUOTE]

MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements

I like the way you incorporated exactly what she was doing in your responses to her objections.

You essentially spelled out what she was thinking. It showed you know and understand her. And that earned you some trust.

Your bluntness also was effective too.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.

No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $) pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]She was definitely disillusioned. Smart move to end it there. LOL. The intention to meet thing is rather hilarious really. She is confused for sure.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]Boy did she do you a big favor. Next, Next, Next.

Can't sat I blame you. Had a SB who kept wanting money and only gave a BJ once. Had to nip that one in the bud.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]