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[QUOTE=IfritDave;7157855]Dude I've looked all over the place for these and couldn't find anything from Blackhawk that was a prepaid debit card. When's the last time you bought one of these? Would be super grateful for more guidance on what I should be looking for. Do they actually say "Visa" or "Mastercard" on them?

Appreciate any help on this thanks guys.[/QUOTE]From another board:

Card: Visa gift card by Blackhawk bought in cash at Home Depot. The package has a huge "VISA" display, on the corner it says $20-$200 and at the bottom it says "Distributed and Serviced by Blackhawk Network".

Registration: I went to their website ([URL]mygiftcardmall.com[/URL]) and registered with a fake name and zip code and my anonymous email address. I went through verifying the email address when they sent a code to that email address.

Payment: I logged into my Seeking account and entered the card information, same name and zip code, and a dummy street address.

It is hard to believe this is true, but I think it is. I was messaging a new profile that appeared this morning, "Christina", a 42 YO from Irvine. The profile was started in 2018. 'Her' first reply was a familiar 'I don't check here often. Would you mind texting? If you don't mind, leave your # and I'll text you'.

I made a short excuse why I wanted to do a little messaging on the site before taking it to text, because that is a MO of a scammer, and I was immediately blocked, providing instant probative evidence that it was indeed a scammer.

It is amazing this happened with a profile this old. I wonder if women get contacted with offers to take over their old profiles for dough. It is hard to believe that someone set up a 'sleeper' profile with that much forethought.

I often have 'the talk' w / POTs at the M&G about the dynamic they prefer w / a guy, and many will say they are submissive. Once in the FC, though, they turn out to be just not very initiative-taking, it isn't that they want to be spanked or choked.

I met a 20's Latina a few weeks back, a very tiny spinner, quite quite pretty. The M&G convo was the usual. But I didn't really bring special 'equipment' to the FC. However, I applied a classic move. I got her on her back, dangling her head off the edge of the bed, and proceeded to stand there and bang her mouth. This particular girl gagged and could not take much of this, despite having provided a quite reasonable BBBJ. And, outstanding BLS. So, I wrote her off the submissive list. Leave the rope at home. She just wants me to tell her what sex acts are next, not to defile her.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7162429]It is hard to believe this is true, but I think it is. I was messaging a new profile that appeared this morning, "Christina", a 42 YO from Irvine. The profile was started in 2018. 'Her' first reply was a familiar 'I don't check here often. Would you mind texting? If you don't mind, leave your # and I'll text you'.

I made a short excuse why I wanted to do a little messaging on the site before taking it to text, because that is a MO of a scammer, and I was immediately blocked, providing instant probative evidence that it was indeed a scammer.

It is amazing this happened with a profile this old. I wonder if women get contacted with offers to take over their old profiles for dough. It is hard to believe that someone set up a 'sleeper' profile with that much forethought.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. How was saying you wanted to talk more on the platform flagged as scammer? That doesn't make sense. What did they think that meant.

Guys it happened for the first time in 10 years in this hobby. I paid a girl a few hours ahead and she flaked last minute and ghosted. I saw this girls 5 ish times before. We were going to meet again but then she flaked and never saw me again and won't give me the money back. I'm not sure what to do. I have her real name, number, social media, parents, friends etc (she has my number as well). I'm not really the one to retaliate but I'm really upset with how flakey women have been the last few years. I'm getting fed up and play with the idea of revenge. But I don't know.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7163463]I don't get it. How was saying you wanted to talk more on the platform flagged as scammer? That doesn't make sense. What did they think that meant.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that.

The person on the other end of the profile blocked me, the website didn't do anything to me.

[QUOTE=StevenWalker;7164331]Guys it happened for the first time in 10 years in this hobby. I paid a girl a few hours ahead and she flaked last minute and ghosted. I saw this girls 5 ish times before. We were going to meet again but then she flaked and never saw me again and won't give me the money back. I'm not sure what to do. I have her real name, number, social media, parents, friends etc (she has my number as well). I'm not really the one to retaliate but I'm really upset with how flakey women have been the last few years. I'm getting fed up and play with the idea of revenge. But I don't know.[/QUOTE]Some version of that has happened to all of us. It's a rite of passage. Everyone is too smart to have it happen to them until it does.

What should you do? Nothing. Walk away. Chalk it up to experience. It's a minor speed bump in life.

We live in a world where any action you take could be met with retribution. Claims of things you've done. If you enter her personal life she may do something crazy and then you're in serious shit.

This is a small, cheap, annoying lesson. Seriously just walk away and thank the lucky stars it's you who is losing the money instead of living the life of the other person who has to do such things for money. That's the real tragedy.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7164413]I didn't say that.

The person on the other end of the profile blocked me, the website didn't do anything to me.[/QUOTE]

Oh that makes more sense.

I think I was just reading about being canceled on the site on a different forum and that’s where my head was.

Yeah that was clearly scammerville

[QUOTE=Murrican;7164703]Some version of that has happened to all of us. It's a rite of passage. Everyone is too smart to have it happen to them until it does.

What should you do? Nothing. Walk away. Chalk it up to experience. It's a minor speed bump in life.

We live in a world where any action you take could be met with retribution. Claims of things you've done. If you enter her personal life she may do something crazy and then you're in serious shit.

This is a small, cheap, annoying lesson. Seriously just walk away and thank the lucky stars it's you who is losing the money instead of living the life of the other person who has to do such things for money. That's the real tragedy.[/QUOTE]I would try and play it off now like it doesn't matter, and that you want to see her again and are happy to give her more. If it works and she meets, give her a nice hard session, and of course no allowance. I have had the same thing happen and was able to get my revenge by acting like I didn't care. Hopefully she doesn't know where you live.

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Just me or is Seeking unusually slow the last month or two.

Often, it doesn't load the page I click on, or says "Profile Not Available" when a refresh brings the profile up just fine.

Also, all my saved searches seem to have the location/distance missing, so it shows everyone in the world . . . othertimes it defaults to 1 mile, showing almost no matching profiles.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;7165123]Just me or is Seeking unusually slow the last month or two.

Often, it doesn't load the page I click on, or says "Profile Not Available" when a refresh brings the profile up just fine.

Also, all my saved searches seem to have the location/distance missing, so it shows everyone in the world . . . othertimes it defaults to 1 mile, showing almost no matching profiles.[/QUOTE]Same here. And it has been this way a while. I put in a help request on this topic this week. I don't recall all their practices, perhaps they don't send an acknowledging email, but I didn't get one. That might be another bug.

I wondered if it might be browser related. Currently I use Brave on a Mac, people using different browsers might have different experience. Oh, and then there is the mobile app. I don't want to burden my burner, so I don't even have that installed. I have tried Safari at times, I thought it was even worse for the problem where you click a profile in a list and get that PNA page.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;7165123]Just me or is Seeking unusually slow the last month or two.

Often, it doesn't load the page I click on, or says "Profile Not Available" when a refresh brings the profile up just fine.

Also, all my saved searches seem to have the location/distance missing, so it shows everyone in the world . . . othertimes it defaults to 1 mile, showing almost no matching profiles.[/QUOTE]Same.

And I often try to login from one browser, and it doesn't work, then I try another, and it doesn't work, and then I try another and it works.

They are clearly making a lot of changes to their business model, and also technology, and some of these things are not working.

Also, these requests to do media appearances? Who the hell is going to do that?

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7164720]give her a nice hard session, and of course no allowance. .[/QUOTE]All respect man but this is plain awful advice. I repeat what I said. We live in a world where girls can make allegations and you are guilty until private. Even if the girl doesn't know where you live, it's not exactly hard to track you if you use a hotel room or an Airbnb. Many girls will lie for retribution. Tricking a girl to have sex with you is playing with fire and gasoline. OP needs to walk away. Getting tricked sucks. Tricking a girl back is just asking for an escalation you might not be able to back down from. Once the snowball gathers enough speed sometimes it's just going to keep rolling and you wish you hadn't pushed it down the hill.

[QUOTE=StevenWalker;7164331]Guys it happened for the first time in 10 years in this hobby. I paid a girl a few hours ahead and she flaked last minute and ghosted. I saw this girls 5 ish times before. We were going to meet again but then she flaked and never saw me again and won't give me the money back. I'm not sure what to do. I have her real name, number, social media, parents, friends etc (she has my number as well). I'm not really the one to retaliate but I'm really upset with how flakey women have been the last few years. I'm getting fed up and play with the idea of revenge. But I don't know.[/QUOTE]Thought you found your Asian queen a few months ago and said you were done! LOL.

This happened to me once. Regular baby I was seeing for almost a year. Then she flaked and stopped contact after I gave her a small advance. Happened early on in my nonpro / sugaring game. Rookie mistake. So I just took it as lesson learned. And to only do PPM 100% going forward. No more advance or weekly arrangements. ONLY PPM! It keeps the girl honest and you honest.

Guys this goes back to remembering these girls are not our real girlfriends. You do not pay to have a real girlfriend or for love, ever. These girls are fucking us and PRETENDING to be LIKE a girlfriend. And ONLY because we are PAYING them. Always remember that. These girls do not need to have any loyalty to us. Just like we don't need to, to them. This is always no strings attached. Don't get suckered.

No revenge to be had here. You could get in big legal trouble if you do. Remember what we're doing giving these girls money to have sex with us. Is considered prostitution under the law, cut and dry. So were already engaging technically in prostitution. So that's illegal and you want to do something bad against this chic. That's two big NOs! Take it as a lesson learned and move on.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7165971]All respect man but this is plain awful advice. I repeat what I said. We live in a world where girls can make allegations and you are guilty until private. Even if the girl doesn't know where you live, it's not exactly hard to track you if you use a hotel room or an Airbnb. Many girls will lie for retribution. Tricking a girl to have sex with you is playing with fire and gasoline. OP needs to walk away. Getting tricked sucks. Tricking a girl back is just asking for an escalation you might not be able to back down from. Once the snowball gathers enough speed sometimes it's just going to keep rolling and you wish you hadn't pushed it down the hill.[/QUOTE]You are probably right, and I have had a few instances where the situation escalated, but I was able to calm them down and eventually work my way back in. On one occasion, we became 'friends' after some tome, and I wound up leaving her at a restaurant with the check. So much time had passed she couldn't even remember what she did. I didn't get a chance to fuck her again, but I got even. Like everyone, I've been burned before, but I hate being ticked, and if I can get even, I will, no matter how long it takes.

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7166745]if I can get even, I will, no matter how long it takes.[/QUOTE]To each his own and all of that. Of course. But this is just an awful way to live. And especially bad in this game. You're dealing with idiot women. Not saying all women are idiots but seeking is hardly filled with data scientists. These are just stupid young women who do stupid things because they're stupid. They are usually not malicious. Most don't know which fork to use in a restaurant. Most don't have a passport. Most have dead end jobs and mundane lives. Just let it be. If a girl does something to upset you just be happy it's you who is the customer and not the seller in this game. It's much better on this side of the transaction, we can all agree. Imagine 21 year old you having to bang 50 year old women for 600 bucks and to have to maintain the illusion it's ok for you. Yes I know all the nuances here. Girls are different. Many of us aren't trolls. And on and on. But the point remains. Just walk away.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7166290]
Guys this goes back to remembering these girls are not our real girlfriends. You do not pay to have a real girlfriend or for love, ever. These girls are fucking us and PRETENDING to be LIKE a girlfriend. And ONLY because we are PAYING them. Always remember that. These girls do not need to have any loyalty to us. Just like we don't need to, to them. This is always no strings attached. Don't get suckered.
.[/QUOTE]I have said this so many times. Amen. It irritates me when guys do things like refer to their SB as their girlfriend. I'm always that dude that flies in and pops their bubble. It's not my style but it's warranted. I always have to remind guys, if you stop paying and she stops coming, she ain't your girlfriend. And sometimes the insanity continues. Like a guy will say I keep giving her money because I want to not because I have to. The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic.

I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167077]Not saying all women are idiots[/QUOTE]Fine, if you won't then I will. All women are idiots. LOL Younger women are just double idiots.

I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, your advice is sound and moving on is the smart move. On the other hand, since almost every guy thinks and acts this way, these hoes get away with murder and nobody ever teaches them a lesson. So I feel like MrBlueSea is the hero we need, not the hero we deserve.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167089]I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.[/QUOTE]That's your experience, it isn't everyone's. I have had 3 long-term arrangements. I haven't been "w /" any of them in years, and we don't text more than yearly. Any of them would take my text or call and have a coffee or lunch w / me, on me. Gratis. At least partly because none of them have SOs. There's shared good times and friendship. I have this b / c that is what I go for, and it's hard to find, even more so now.

There are a few girls who are truly looking for age-gap relationships, or want a dom, or whatever. Those are the ones I want to tap.

Someone recently posted about getting a sugar FB page. I knew I had a FB messenger account w / my sugar email, so I checked if I could turn that into FB. It worked fine. I put up the same profile photo I use on seeking, my sugar name, and nothing else essentially.

The weird / scary part is all of the suggested friends FB lists for me. There are a lot lot lot of girls who I have banged on seeking, or otherwise been in touch with, and there are also a lot of dudes from Africa. So the latter are obviously the catfishers I have had some sort of communication with.

This just goes to show the pervasive nature of online tracking, and why we have to be absolutely scrupulous with keeping the sugar life separate from IRL. If someone from your daily life showed up on one of those friends suggestion lists for your sugar FB, woo, that could be bad (for those of us trying / needing to stay UTR).

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167077]To each his own and all of that. Of course. But this is just an awful way to live. And especially bad in this game. You're dealing with idiot women. Not saying all women are idiots but seeking is hardly filled with data scientists. These are just stupid young women who do stupid things because they're stupid. They are usually not malicious. Most don't know which fork to use in a restaurant. Most don't have a passport. Most have dead end jobs and mundane lives. Just let it be. If a girl does something to upset you just be happy it's you who is the customer and not the seller in this game. It's much better on this side of the transaction, we can all agree. Imagine 21 year old you having to bang 50 year old women for 600 bucks and to have to maintain the illusion it's ok for you. Yes I know all the nuances here. Girls are different. Many of us aren't trolls. And on and on. But the point remains. Just walk away.[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying and agree with some of it. However, in my experience with this, the ones that pull shit typically are smart and have no problem ripping us off, and do it frequently. These girls are hardly innocent. I had one once pull a knife on me, and when I laughed about it and told her how hot she looked 'robbing' me, that alone was enough to make her want to see me again. Strange but true. I could go on with more examples. All I can say is, trying to 'correct' being taken advantage of is not an awful way to live, especially in this game.

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7167231]I get what you are saying and agree with some of it. However, in my experience with this, the ones that pull shit typically are smart and have no problem ripping us off, and do it frequently. These girls are hardly innocent. I had one once pull a knife on me, and when I laughed about it and told her how hot she looked 'robbing' me, that alone was enough to make her want to see me again. Strange but true. I could go on with more examples. All I can say is, trying to 'correct' being taken advantage of is not an awful way to live, especially in this game.[/QUOTE]I mean you do you. As you will of course. To each his own.

But I stand by what I said. You exact revenge on enough girls and one day one of them is going to escalate in a way you can't undo. A rape allegation. A dox. Something. You have more to lose than they do in most cases. And they know that. I hope it doesn't happen to you. But you're playing with fire.

I need a new sugarbaby now but the quality is just scary bad. What happened to all the young girls? All these girls on seeking are over 30 lmao. I can smash those girls for free on dating apps. This is soo frustrating.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7167195]That's your experience, it isn't everyone's. I have had 3 long-term arrangements. I haven't been "w /" any of them in years, and we don't text more than yearly. Any of them would take my text or call and have a coffee or lunch w / me, on me. Gratis. At least partly because none of them have SOs. There's shared good times and friendship. I have this b / c that is what I go for, and it's hard to find, even more so now.

There are a few girls who are truly looking for age-gap relationships, or want a dom, or whatever. Those are the ones I want to tap.[/QUOTE]Having a dinner, lunch or drinks is one thing after many years. I have plenty of girls I can do that with as well. But are you actually FCing them? For just the cost of that. You didn't mention that. Just because they're "keeping in touch". Doesn't mean anything. Girls that are babies keep in touch. Because they're hoping you're going to FC them again for cash. That's all. If you had said you were actually FCing them too. Then I'd give you props and cred.

So it just goes back to what Murrican and me are saying. These babies are only fucking us because we are paying them. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's what this game is about.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167089]I have said this so many times. Amen. It irritates me when guys do things like refer to their SB as their girlfriend. I'm always that dude that flies in and pops their bubble. It's not my style but it's warranted. I always have to remind guys, if you stop paying and she stops coming, she ain't your girlfriend. And sometimes the insanity continues. Like a guy will say I keep giving her money because I want to not because I have to. The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic.

I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.[/QUOTE]LOL "The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic. " I call it psychopathetic!

Murrican you and me know the game man. Some guys really need to wake up.

No matter what email I use (Gmail, Yahoo, Proton, etc.), I am never able to sign up for this damn site.

It keeps giving me an Invalid Email error. Do I need to use VPN?

Anyone else having success signing up for this site?

I'll just reiterate a wisdom past SDs have shared. Everyone gets the sugar bowl they are looking for. People's personal selections control that. If you go onto the site and treat POTs like escorts, that's who you'll get because they are definitely there. That doesn't mean all girls there are.

If you are aware of a place where a lot of desirable women willingly have great sex w / you without *any* expectation for anything in return (broadly defined. Hourly, or an evening at a show after dinner, up to a lifetime of financial support), you ought to publish that for everyone to partake. Otherwise, I'd just say every male-female relationship has value flowing in both directions. I provide non-tangible benefits to some, which they appreciate and ingratiate me to them; they are a contributing factor to why they'll still be on my contact list.

Like that old joke "would you sleep w / me for a million dollars. ? To spend a few hours w / a naked coed sharing her cross-country runner body w / me is definitely worth a few bucks, and because I am knowledgeable about the set-up and can afford the discretion of a hotel room, no one ever needs to know (her need), because our tryst is something that really floats her boat (as well as mine). I literally got a text yesterday from an old SB (20's) who just could not get out of her mind the oral I gave her 2+ years ago, and wanted a tryst. She's Tuesday. And she is obviously doing it willingly and not ONLY because she's getting a paycheck. That's why big allowances don't work for me, aside from just fiscal prudence.

As another wise guy here wrote (JZLizard), there is a cost for every sex act w / a woman. If you aren't providing funds explicitly, different expectations will develop, and the cost of those you might not be wiling to pay (especially if you have a SO).

Who goes onto a sugar site looking for escorts? Pretty much none of us do. We don't treat the girls like that. But it would be delusional to not technically see the transaction of giving a woman cash for sex. Not being technically prostitution. Because it is. Especially when a girl becomes a career sugarbaby. I see them now as part-time prostitutes. I don't TREAT them that way. But I do SEE them that way. There's a difference. I don't even bother messaging career sugarbabies. I only go for first time sugarbabies. And preferably finding them as a non-pro. Over finding them as a sugarbaby.

Where to find a hot girl that's not needing explicitly an arrangement for sex? I've said it myself many times. Dating sites, social media, public pickup game, bars, clubs, etc. And alot will fuck. Just because they want to fuck. Don't even need to take them for drinks, dinner or anything.

When it comes to having a real civie GF or a wife. Of course there are costs involved. But they are not direct cash payments explicitly/directly for sex. You pay for a GF or wife indirectly. With the cost of courting them, dating them, helping maybe with a bill sometimes, gifts, etc. I've said this many times as well.

I've said all these things and more. No need to school me on the game.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;7168068]No matter what email I use (Gmail, Yahoo, Proton, etc.), I am never able to sign up for this damn site.

It keeps giving me an Invalid Email error. Do I need to use VPN?

Anyone else having success signing up for this site?[/QUOTE]Maybe instead try registering at secretbenefits since they are the same site.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7168256]Who goes onto a sugar site looking for escorts? Pretty much none of us do. We don't treat the girls like that. But it would be delusional to not technically see the transaction of giving a woman cash for sex. Not being technically prostitution. Because it is. Especially when a girl becomes a career sugarbaby. I see them now as part-time prostitutes. I don't TREAT them that way. But I do SEE them that way. There's a difference. I don't even bother messaging career sugarbabies. I only go for first time sugarbabies. And preferably finding them as a non-pro. Over finding them as a sugarbaby.

Where to find a hot girl that's not needing explicitly an arrangement for sex? I've said it myself many times. Dating sites, social media, public pickup game, bars, clubs, etc. And alot will fuck. Just because they want to fuck. Don't even need to take them for drinks, dinner or anything.

When it comes to having a real civie GF or a wife. Of course there are costs involved. But they are not direct cash payments explicitly/directly for sex. You pay for a GF or wife indirectly. With the cost of courting them, dating them, helping maybe with a bill sometimes, gifts, etc. I've said this many times as well.

I've said all these things and more. No need to school me on the game.[/QUOTE]Right. Just because a girl does not extend her hand for payment literally every time she opens her legs does not mean she's not doing it largely for the money. It doesn't mean she gets zero benefit besides money. Obviously many SBs also enjoy their time with their SD. But there's a difference between something being sufficient and something being necessary.

Sometimes you go to a restaurant where you're a regular and they give you a free dessert or comp your meal. It doesn't mean you no longer have to pay anymore.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7126336]NEW ON SEEKING. Introducing the Selfie Liveness Check.[/QUOTE]Here's the MIT-trained pimp himself explaining this process using his mail order bride as some kind of visual prop LOL.

[URL=https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/fguysp8q2072bxpqh9g7e/ADBOYUNK1k4UBSIzn2QNWDE?rlkey=ox7ay3xqt2z1p0udu05hdl2dm&st=iolis20c&dl=0]Seeking verification video[/URL]

[QUOTE=TopGun9;7168068]No matter what email I use (Gmail, Yahoo, Proton, etc.), I am never able to sign up for this damn site.

It keeps giving me an Invalid Email error. Do I need to use VPN?

Anyone else having success signing up for this site?[/QUOTE]Since FOSTA was passed back in 2018, a lot of sites pushed back against sex work apps. For example, lots of Hx guys posted they were no longer getting emails from the site at their Yahoo mail. Admin even warned members to switch over to a different mail provider. Not sure about GM or Proton. I have never used any of these for my throw away email addy.

I joined all the sugar apps back in 2016 and created multiple redundant accounts using different servers from your list above and I never had any problems or blowbacks. Consider joining SDM they been around since 2007. They may have a bit more relaxed rules. Here are my current 3 SB's from SDM.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7165771]Same here. And it has been this way a while. I put in a help request on this topic this week. I don't recall all their practices, perhaps they don't send an acknowledging email, but I didn't get one. That might be another bug.

I wondered if it might be browser related. Currently I use Brave on a Mac, people using different browsers might have different experience. Oh, and then there is the mobile app. I don't want to burden my burner, so I don't even have that installed. I have tried Safari at times, I thought it was even worse for the problem where you click a profile in a list and get that PNA page.[/QUOTE]I did finally get a CS response, the typical Pablum. Restart the browser, clear the cache. No acknowledgement that their site was buggy as it clearly is.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;7168868]Here's the MIT-trained pimp himself explaining this process using his mail order bride as some kind of visual prop LOL.

[URL=https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/fguysp8q2072bxpqh9g7e/ADBOYUNK1k4UBSIzn2QNWDE?rlkey=ox7ay3xqt2z1p0udu05hdl2dm&st=iolis20c&dl=0]Seeking verification video[/URL][/QUOTE]Forget Seeking, it's become too much of a hassle to keep their overpriced membership. I have shifted to [URL]SugarDaddyMeet.com[/URL] and [URL]SugarLifeNow.com[/URL] and have been having some success. Will try and do some posts soon.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167387]I mean you do you. As you will of course. To each his own.

But I stand by what I said. You exact revenge on enough girls and one day one of them is going to escalate in a way you can't undo. A rape allegation. A dox. Something. You have more to lose than they do in most cases. And they know that. I hope it doesn't happen to you. But you're playing with fire.[/QUOTE]I appreciate all of your input, thank you, but lets hope I don't get burned any time soon.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7168256]I see them now as part-time prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Is that like being almost pregnant? Haha I see them as prostitutes who more closely screen their tricks and have a sliding scale on pricing.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7168256]When it comes to having a real civie GF or a wife. Of course there are costs involved. But they are not direct cash payments explicitly/directly for sex. You pay for a GF or wife indirectly. With the cost of courting them, dating them, helping maybe with a bill sometimes, gifts, etc. I've said this many times as well.[/QUOTE]The biggest "cost" for me of having a GF / wife, by far, is the cost of my time and energy. That's the real cost. Shit tests, aggravation, less sleep, drama, bullshit, nagging, no hobbies, no peace. Fuck, the cash cost is what I gladly pay to be free from all of that. I'll have a pleasant 30 min-2 hr time with them, have great sex and then leave and never look back. It's the cost of FREEDOM baby, and I'm paying it. Everybody thinks pimps are cool and johns are lame, but I think pimps are chumps. They willingly take on all of the bullshit and drama from not one but multiple women. Imagine the bullshit they have to deal with day in and day out with some of these braindead hoes. You couldn't pay me.

Also, more on point of the thread I just canceled a date with a "part time prostitute" on Seeking because she turned out to be. . . Full time. Haha We had it set up for this afternoon by text, I told her I'd text when I got home from work and was settled in, but about an hour later she starts blowing up my phone saying she's ready. Oh OK, I didn't realize we were working on your timetable. Then 30 min later she called and we had a quick convo, I told her to be patient, was very cordial. 30 min later, another call that I ignored (I was busy). I texted her that she seemed a little rushed and was she going to be able to chill and hang out (we'd discussed drinks) or was she in a hurry today? This triggered her ghettoness and I got a response saying I was delusional or something like that, and that she knows I was just trying to "trick her into staying longer" (professional ho with an hourly mindset) and that she gets paid "thousands of dollars" for that and I thought I was getting special treatment "just because I found you on Seeking. " I wished her the best, blocked and moved on. Definitely a pro and all I had to do was lightly scratch the veneer to find out. She was young too! Crazy. I may start looking for younger girls in the midwest to fly in. Women in the big cities are just 90% garbage.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7169504]Women in the big cities are just 90% garbage.[/QUOTE]Coming from a guy on the other coast, AMEN, brother!

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7169371]Forget Seeking, it's become too much of a hassle to keep their overpriced membership. I have shifted to [URL]SugarDaddyMeet.com[/URL] and [URL]SugarLifeNow.com[/URL] and have been having some success. Will try and do some posts soon.[/QUOTE]Agreed!

Seeking is like PornHub after they banned all the real amateur stuffs.

I too had most recent successes on SDM. I'll be giving SLN a try.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7169504]Is that like being almost pregnant? Haha I see them as prostitutes who more closely screen their tricks and have a sliding scale on pricing.

Also, more on point of the thread I just canceled a date with a "part time prostitute" on Seeking because she turned out to be. . . Full time. Haha We had it set up for this afternoon by text, I told her I'd text when I got home from work and was settled in, but about an hour later she starts blowing up my phone saying she's ready. Oh OK, I didn't realize we were working on your timetable. Then 30 min later she called and we had a quick convo, I told her to be patient, was very cordial. 30 min later, another call that I ignored (I was busy). I texted her that she seemed a little rushed and was she going to be able to chill and hang out (we'd discussed drinks) or was she in a hurry today? This triggered her ghettoness and I got a response saying I was delusional or something like that, and that she knows I was just trying to "trick her into staying longer" (professional ho with an hourly mindset) and that she gets paid "thousands of dollars" for that and I thought I was getting special treatment "just because I found you on Seeking. " I wished her the best, blocked and moved on. Definitely a pro and all I had to do was lightly scratch the veneer to find out. She was young too! Crazy. I may start looking for younger girls in the midwest to fly in. Women in the big cities are just 90% garbage.[/QUOTE]Cmon man you should know. I call them part time prostitutes because they usually have a regular job. And the sugaring is a side gig or part time. But when they're career sugarbabies that keep coming back or have been on the site for years. I see them as part-time prostitutes.

And yes there are real full on traditional prostitutes trying to pass themselves off as sugarbabies on sugar sites. One thing I always recommend is to do a face image search using an online tool like Pimeyes. And a reverse phone number search. Pimeyes is better than FacecheckID at finding if a girl has escort ads on the web and if they might have done some porn. Facecheck is good at finding social media and job sites like Linked in. The reverse phone search will bring up any escort ads under that number if they exist. Always research / vet these girls.

The best priced girls I've found as sugarbabies and nonpros have mostly been out of LA. Out in the IE area and OC for cheap hot White girls. I've also had many affordable Asian chics in the OC. I've been lucky to find some good girls in LA as well. But LA girls can be a bit boujie and their expectations. I have a couple girls I currently have in each area. The cheapest girls I've tapped have been in the Apple Valley area. If you're willing to drive up to them.