Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=DaddysLookin]Tommy's living up to his name. Could be anywhere from coast to coast. I love useful information.[/QUOTE]

OK maybe I was a little TOO cryptic! I mostly just wanted to post a review and let the board know that life is going on. If the spas have to close for legal reasons, then they will, but we don't have to let them close for lack of business!

I also wanted to give some info without providing a road map to our friends who use this board to target our providers. I think we will have to be a little more subtle from now on. No more penthouse forum type reviews, more PM's.

It's not like in MA where the local PD more than likely knows about the local HJ providers, but don't bother because it's not on anybody's radar. Right now there is too much heat for the RI spas, and I'd rather not paint LE a picture of where to go and who to ask for what (or give Donna and Desiree a list of places to "report").

So if I'm too vague, PM me.

TA

[QUOTE=Bubba261]

To me, the priorities of the RI legislature and governor are screwed up. The governor is giving the state away to the two casino operators while they do to the general population what one can't do legally at an AMP in RI any more - they're fucking them!!![/QUOTE]

Lincoln will be a full blown casino shortly, mark my words. Or better yet bet on it.

Some of those that were so against the indians getting a casino have interests in the Ct ones and will now end up with 6 figure, do nothing jobs at Lincoln along with the politicians. Bet on that too.

[QUOTE=Postman]I go to a long established spa in the city of Providence. My session goes like this: I arrive, mama san takes me to a room, I give her $60, she leaves and I get undressed. A young Korean girl comes in takes me for a nice table shower, followed by sauna, and then a quality massage for 30-40 minutes. Then after the flip she gives me a hand release/happy ending. I never asked for it, no price was ever negotiated. After I'm cleaned up and dressed, I tip her $40, maybe $60. Have I broken a law? Has she? Is there a lawyer in the house? Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Hi Postman,

Yes and yes. You don't need a degree to read the law. Read the new law, The new law has everything covered. If you even comb her hair its considered touching to arouse.

Excuse my spelling.

Rick

instead of General Topics so I'll offer this that I found in a verified AP article:
[QUOTE]Few police departments said they were ready to launch mass raids against the spas, but Pawtucket police Maj. Arthur Martins said his department will investigate at least four suspected brothels operating in his city. School children cross in front of one of them on their way to class.

"It's no secret what's occurring inside these spas," he said.

Attorney General Patrick Lynch said some brothel owners may simply close or stop offering sex instead of risking arrest. Police could enforce the law by sending undercover detectives into suspected brothels, he said.

Critics of the legislation have argued it may penalize destitute or drug-addicted women, including some who may be victims of human trafficking. The new law allows accused prostitutes to be acquitted if they claim they were threatened with violence, had their immigration paperwork stolen or were held against their will.

While individual prostitutes may be arrested and prosecuted, Lynch said his office was primarily interested in targeting criminal ringleaders.

"The point is, we'll go from the person who is selling it, predominantly women. But our target overall is to shut it down," Lynch said. "And the best way to do that is to go after the owners, the pimps, or those that manage these types of operations."[/QUOTE]
Now a question. Say I just moved to Rhode Island today. I never gave one thought to visiting a prostitute and have always assumed it was illegal everywhere. I want a massage due to back issues (which can be documented) and see a sign for a massage place and decide to drop in. I'm offered sex, freak out, decline and then leave. Can I really be arrested for just walking in/out the door because the place has a reputation that I am totally unaware of? Just seems pretty far fetched to me. Maybe I'm being naive.

[QUOTE=Newday53] Can I really be arrested for just walking in/out the door because the place has a reputation that I am totally unaware of? Just seems pretty far fetched to me. Maybe I'm being naive.[/QUOTE]I'm a lawyer, but not in Rhode Island. I've read the law, but not studied it carefully.

Please also keep in mind that police will respond to complaints and calls. So higher profile places in residential neighborhoods will attract more police attention. Its a matter of resource allocation. Squeaky wheels get oiled.

With all this in mind, be aware if we, or the spa owners panic, then the economics of the situation will drive them out of business.

I look for a number of places to close down, some to make a real effort to stay inside the law, and for a few to continue business as usual. The quotes from Law enforcement officials indicate that they are not out to arrest workers, nor customers, but owners and promoters.

The bottom line is if you happen to be inside a spa when the police come in on a raid, you may be detained, possibly arrested. Conviction would be another matter, but remember arrest is reported on page 1 with a picture after a perp walk; acquittal rarely makes the news at all.

I can't offer advice, but I intend to continue to travel 95 south from time to time as work permits.

[QUOTE=Newday53]instead of General Topics so I'll offer this that I found in a verified AP article:

Now a question. Say I just moved to Rhode Island today. I never gave one thought to visiting a prostitute and have always assumed it was illegal everywhere. I want a massage due to back issues (which can be documented) and see a sign for a massage place and decide to drop in. I'm offered sex, freak out, decline and then leave. Can I really be arrested for just walking in/out the door because the place has a reputation that I am totally unaware of? Just seems pretty far fetched to me. Maybe I'm being naive.[/QUOTE]On MA board it was posted about how LE planned and executed a raid and sweep in the Springfield area AMPs.Was wondering if similar could happen?

[QUOTE=Bigrig28]I'm a lawyer, but not in Rhode Island. I've read the law, but not studied it carefully.

Please also keep in mind that police will respond to complaints and calls. So higher profile places in residential neighborhoods will attract more police attention. Its a matter of resource allocation. Squeaky wheels get oiled.

With all this in mind, be aware if we, or the spa owners panic, then the economics of the situation will drive them out of business.

I look for a number of places to close down, some to make a real effort to stay inside the law, and for a few to continue business as usual. The quotes from Law enforcement officials indicate that they are not out to arrest workers, nor customers, but owners and promoters.

The bottom line is if you happen to be inside a spa when the police come in on a raid, you may be detained, possibly arrested. Conviction would be another matter, but remember arrest is reported on page 1 with a picture after a perp walk; acquittal rarely makes the news at all.

I can't offer advice, but I intend to continue to travel 95 south from time to time as work permits.[/QUOTE]

Is there a possibility the law would be overturned or ruled unconstitutional? I though it reads that it is illegal to travel to another state for the purpose of prostitution. It seems to be unconstitutional to ban someone from traveling to a state where it is legal (Nevada). Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Newday53]instead of General Topics so I'll offer this that I found in a verified AP article:

Attorney General Patrick Lynch said some brothel owners may simply close or stop offering sex instead of risking arrest. Police could enforce the law by sending undercover detectives into suspected brothels, he said.[/QUOTE]Do you understand what this is all about?

It's not about getting rid of prostitution: they are trying to recruit a lot more undercover detectives!

J

[QUOTE=Joinem Us]Do you understand what this is all about?
...they are trying to recruit a lot more undercover detectives!
J[/QUOTE] and more "cooperating witnesses". Read this:

[url]http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/07/city_cops_are_i.php[/url]

After the law changed in RI, I decide to quit the hoppy, imagine if someone is busted in an LE operation and they posted the Pictures on the front page. Reading the Law clearly there is no difference between HE and FS and that is what bother me the most. This is very oppressive rules and will do more damage than good.

When visiting Lilyes or Pleasant street I do not see prostitution of Sex trafficking.
Thank you RI for all the good time and the HE, time has come to move on.

[QUOTE=Newday53]and more "cooperating witnesses". Read this:

[url]http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/07/city_cops_are_i.php[/url][/QUOTE]

Will you give your fellow board mongers a discount for representation if something like this were to happen? :)

[QUOTE=Bigrig28]I'm a lawyer, but not in Rhode Island. I've read the law, but not studied it carefully.

Please also keep in mind that police will respond to complaints and calls. So higher profile places in residential neighborhoods will attract more police attention. Its a matter of resource allocation. Squeaky wheels get oiled.

With all this in mind, be aware if we, or the spa owners panic, then the economics of the situation will drive them out of business.

I look for a number of places to close down, some to make a real effort to stay inside the law, and for a few to continue business as usual. The quotes from Law enforcement officials indicate that they are not out to arrest workers, nor customers, but owners and promoters.

The bottom line is if you happen to be inside a spa when the police come in on a raid, you may be detained, possibly arrested. Conviction would be another matter, but remember arrest is reported on page 1 with a picture after a perp walk; acquittal rarely makes the news at all.

I can't offer advice, but I intend to continue to travel 95 south from time to time as work permits.[/QUOTE]

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Any info on Dulce?

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Help or hurt? These forums are priceless. I do most of my AMP visits on travel to different cities, that actually means outside RI even when the laws were different. Without these forums I would be lost most places, or overpay, or go to a place that doesn't have what I'm looking for, etc. I think a lot of people who travel for busness are depending on this info just the same.

The forums are providing reviews in every major city and I'm sure LE reads it when it's time to plan a bust, but that's just the way it is. Most major cities LE just doesn't care that much about busting AMPs. RI may be different now that they have a brand new law to enforce, we shall C. Personally, and this is just a hunch, I think we won't see any AMP raids until early next year. I believe LE needs to prove that prostitution is continuing to occur at AMPs AFTER pasage of the law, and that will take a few months. Plus right now is the worst time to send in an undercover to an AMP, with everyone on edge about the new law an undercover might be too easy to spot. Makes sense to wait a few months for the girls to get complacent. Again, just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]I'm thinking these forums have out lived there usefulness. Why the hell would someone post their adventures and mention the establishment and Providers they visited. Jesus! Isn't it the same thing as calling the LE. The God damm LE and there witnesses patrol these sites. Their gathering enough shit to add to their investigations. I don't have an answer on how to report mongering at the AMP’s but this forum has to go in hiding or zip it up.

Rick,

Excuse my spellin[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]I'm thinking these forums have out lived there usefulness. Why the hell would someone post their adventures and mention the establishment and Providers they visited. Jesus! Isn't it the same thing as calling the LE. The God damm LE and there witnesses patrol these sites. Their gathering enough shit to add to their investigations. I don't have an answer on how to report mongering at the AMP’s but this forum has to go in hiding or zip it up.

Rick,

Excuse my spellin[/QUOTE]
I think at this point the forums should become unreadable to all except members, and that no more members should be allowed. Any report with useful postitive information that can be read by anybody is just putting a bullseye on the provider or establishment. It will mean a less active, eventually dead (like us) board, but it won't be a board that gets providers in trouble and that actually leads to less available sevices.