Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;3842099]If the miscreants you refer to had the skills to run a business, do you think this is what they would focus their talent on?

Sure a very small few approach it this way, but most have far different motivations (demons) driving this entrepreneurial choice.

Happiness is a matter of calibrating expectations with reality. If you do this, you won't be so frustrated with the inherent lack of discipline from certain service providers.[/QUOTE]Being somewhat timely and able to answer a phone, which when we are there seems part of their anatomy, are not hard things to do. They are all quite good with understanding prycing and negotiations, just not the really simple stuff that could get them repeats and reduce exposure. And be open and honest. Running late may not be their fault if they are entrtaining. Like I said, the good ones, the ones I repeat with, have some understanding of our time not just theirs.

Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3842545]Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.[/QUOTE]I AGREE a lot of them are shitty people, but the flip side to that is I'm sure they will say the same thing about us. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE THING THAT GUYS ON HERE NEED TO REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET YET ALOT DO is this: "IT'S ALWAYS IS, WAS, AND WILL BE ABOUT THE MONEY. Expect that going in, and you won't ever be disappointed when they act or do shitty things. They will give you shout outs on here saying thanks and praise about the visits, tell you your the nicest guy, or your so funny, or you fucked them sooooo good they came 3 times and was exhausted etc but they just want you to come back and see them again cause they want that money, bills are do, rent is do, kids need school cloths, they need drugs, they boyfriend need bail. They can fuck for nothing in they personal life, MONEY MAKES people say and do crazy things, and that's why hookers do this, stop trying to meet dates, talk buddies, hangout buddies, cuddling buddies, and just go and fuck them! THATS WHAT THEY ARE HERE FOR, if you expect that.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3842545]Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.[/QUOTE]There are shitty people in every profession, your profession being no exception, whatever it is!

Personally, I like the mature providers. They got their shit together and generally provide good service.

As always, YMMV.

JAC.

KidKuddi, I tried to let this go but you want to keep adding fuel to the fire. Did I pm you with info? Yes. Did you request more info? Yes. Did I give you what I know about her? Yes. Did you request even more? Yes. I told you what I knew and you kept asking for more. Very specific. You then began talking on the forums like you were better than the rest of us. I looked at your posts and saw negativity in most things you posted. When you claimed to have seen her, you obviously were lying or you wouldn't have asked if she were black or white for starters. I did let her know of your pms because she is a top notch provider and might want to think twice before seeing you. I'm sorry if looking out for a quality provider is so horrible. I don't think I am the only one who would look out for one of their favorites. I agree, this should not have gotten to the point it did. I really don't want to discuss this further with you. Hopefully we can move on.

JustTry.

I was hoping to let the issue die but you want to keep adding fuel to the fire. Did I pm you with info? Yes. Did you request more? Yes. Did I give you more info? Yes I told you exactly what I know about her. You requested more again. You began arguing with others about being better than the rest. I looked at your posts and saw lots of anger and negativity in them. You also posted that you had been with her which I found odd because you asked me if she were black or white. When were you telling the truth? I then let her know of your pms so she could decide whether or not to see you. I was only looking out for a top notch provider. I hope others might do the same. There aren't many good ones and I want all of us to stay safe. Sorry if I broke some sacred trust on sharing pms if I think something is off with them. I can't believe it got so out of hand and I'm finished discussing this anymore.

JustTry.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3842889]I AGREE a lot of them are shitty people, but the flip side to that is I'm sure they will say the same thing about us. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE THING THAT GUYS ON HERE NEED TO REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET YET ALOT DO is this: "IT'S ALWAYS IS, WAS, AND WILL BE ABOUT THE MONEY. Expect that going in, and you won't ever be disappointed when they act or do shitty things. They will give you shout outs on here saying thanks and praise about the visits, tell you your the nicest guy, or your so funny, or you fucked them sooooo good they came 3 times and was exhausted etc but they just want you to come back and see them again cause they want that money, bills are do, rent is do, kids need school cloths, they need drugs, they boyfriend need bail. They can fuck for nothing in they personal life, MONEY MAKES people say and do crazy things, and that's why hookers do this, stop trying to meet dates, talk buddies, hangout buddies, cuddling buddies, and just go and fuck them! THATS WHAT THEY ARE HERE FOR, if you expect that.[/QUOTE]Hey KidKuddi, I tried sending you PM's but your inbox is full. I was 90% full yesterday and had to delete some PM's myself. Do senior members get more space in their inbox? How many posts or how much time is needed to become a senior member, anyway? .

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3842889]I AGREE a lot of them are shitty people, but the flip side to that is I'm sure they will say the same thing about us. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE THING THAT GUYS ON HERE NEED TO REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET YET ALOT DO is this: "IT'S ALWAYS IS, WAS, AND WILL BE ABOUT THE MONEY. Expect that going in, and you won't ever be disappointed when they act or do shitty things. They will give you shout outs on here saying thanks and praise about the visits, tell you your the nicest guy, or your so funny, or you fucked them sooooo good they came 3 times and was exhausted etc but they just want you to come back and see them again cause they want that money, bills are do, rent is do, kids need school cloths, they need drugs, they boyfriend need bail. They can fuck for nothing in they personal life, MONEY MAKES people say and do crazy things, and that's why hookers do this, stop trying to meet dates, talk buddies, hangout buddies, cuddling buddies, and just go and fuck them! THATS WHAT THEY ARE HERE FOR, if you expect that.[/QUOTE]Unreadable words of wisdom from a [B]dumb fuck[/B]. Complete with all caps in just the right places.

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You are sooooooo full of shit, It wasn't this site that got you busted it was you telling people from this site who the fuck you really are after having been here a month.

Do not fucking blame us for your stupidity and lack of judgement.

Fuck off

A2[/blue]

So now I'm going to put it right out in front. If you come on this site and within a month of being here you are giving people you don't know your motherfucking phone number in order to engage in illegal behavior and the cops end up knocking on your door do not fucking blame this site for getting busted.

It's like the fucking pedo, he didn't get busted for picking up a hooker, he got busted for crossing a state line to fuck somebody he thought was super young. He thought that because they told him that. Want to guess what happened to the guys who they tried to do the same shit to that said "what, no fucking way" when they were told what the age was?

Yeah, nothing happened to them.

You don't blame the paper for the content that is written on it. Do you think the people who used to run stings on Craigslist or Backpage but can't anymore because they are closed lost their jobs?

A2.

[QUOTE=YUM69;3843249]Hey KidKuddi, I tried sending you PM's but your inbox is full. I was 90% full yesterday and had to delete some PM's myself. Do senior members get more space in their inbox? How many posts or how much time is needed to become a senior member, anyway? .[/QUOTE]I believe the equation is.

6 months + 25 posts - Pissing A2 off = Senior.

[QUOTE=YUM69;3843249]Hey KidKuddi, I tried sending you PM's but your inbox is full. I was 90% full yesterday and had to delete some PM's myself. Do senior members get more space in their inbox? How many posts or how much time is needed to become a senior member, anyway? .[/QUOTE]I will erase a few my dude, I also tried to send 1 back today and it said yours was full. LOL looks like we both got to delete.

Any details on what happened or who he was talking to that got him in trouble? Just trying to stay safe.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3843820]So now I'm going to put it right out in front. If you come on this site and within a month of being here you are giving people you don't know your motherfucking phone number in order to engage in illegal behavior and the cops end up knocking on your door do not fucking blame this site for getting busted.

It's like the fucking pedo, he didn't get busted for picking up a hooker, he got busted for crossing a state line to fuck somebody he thought was super young. He thought that because they told him that. Want to guess what happened to the guys who they tried to do the same shit to that said "what, no fucking way" when they were told what the age was?

Yeah, nothing happened to them.

You don't blame the paper for the content that is written on it. Do you think the people who used to run stings on Craigslist or Backpage but can't anymore because they are closed lost their jobs?

A2.[/QUOTE]

Exact same experience here.

[QUOTE=JustTry;3843138]I was hoping to let the issue die but you want to keep adding fuel to the fire. Did I pm you with info? Yes. Did you request more? Yes. Did I give you more info? Yes I told you exactly what I know about her. You requested more again. You began arguing with others about being better than the rest. I looked at your posts and saw lots of anger and negativity in them. You also posted that you had been with her which I found odd because you asked me if she were black or white. When were you telling the truth? I then let her know of your pms so she could decide whether or not to see you. I was only looking out for a top notch provider. I hope others might do the same. There aren't many good ones and I want all of us to stay safe. Sorry if I broke some sacred trust on sharing pms if I think something is off with them. I can't believe it got so out of hand and I'm finished discussing this anymore.

JustTry.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;3844246]Exact same experience here.[/QUOTE]No your a liar and did some sneaky snake shit. You took what I may have said in my pm, and you exaggerated it. You tried to make it something it was def. Not. You tried to take what I asked and make it something more then it was in hopes to try and make jokes on here so others reading it would think I'm some type of fag or homo, when that is clearly not the case, and sadly you did it not to protect a provider. You did it in hopes of gaining some brownie points with her as being this great white night. And where I'm from that's some super lame shit and disgusts me. You conveniently left out the 1 part in the email that would explain or even give hints as to why I may have asked that. Or if you did and she just took it and ran with it in hopes of bashing my character on here like she did. You sat back and said nothing to try to clear it up and say "Hey, that's not how it went down" again in hopes to gain brownie points. I'm not with it, you and vinnie are alike in a sense you ass kiss these hookers and will do things or dispute what people may say on here or bash them in hopes that these hookers will love your white knighting. I don't want to be around it so do me a favor and take a play out of vinnies book and hit ignore and make this the last time we ever speak on here as he did. Just know people if he did some snake shit with me to win brownie points with a prostitute trust and believe he can do it to you. We don't need that in here or on here. Beware of dudes like this. Snakes in the grass! Again please hit ignore button and make this the last time we chat.

My rebuttal to DickHead: Kenzee is Madeliene from before. Was no bait and switching going on. I have told about every single person who has asked about her this info. He didn't ask as I would have surely told him. She wanted to change her name for privacy reasons. Also I had pics with tats first posted on her ad and then She requested those be edited. The first pics are currently on the website. Wasn't my idea and I personally don't believe in name changing etc. She has changed and wanted a new start and also was worried about certain people recognizing her profile. He had every opportunity to ask for pics and more info about her. I realize the disappoint and would make it up to him next time for the misunderstanding. There Was nothing done intentionally. EE.

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3844719]My rebuttal to DickHead: Kenzee is Madeliene from before. Was no bait and switching going on. I have told about every single person who has asked about her this info. He didn't ask as I would have surely told him. She wanted to change her name for privacy reasons. Also I had pics with tats first posted on her ad and then She requested those be edited. The first pics are currently on the website. Wasn't my idea and I personally don't believe in name changing etc. She has changed and wanted a new start and also was worried about certain people recognizing her profile. He had every opportunity to ask for pics and more info about her. I realize the disappoint and would make it up to him next time for the misunderstanding. There Was nothing done intentionally. EE.[/QUOTE]When I was checking the lineup a couple of weeks back, the [B]very FIRST[/B] thing Steve sent was that Kenzee was AKA Madeliene. I actually didn't realize there was a negative connotation associated, I passed because I decided on something different.

EE has been the most stable thing going around here for some time. I don't believe he's going to do bait and switch. Even if it was, why not just leave? I've bolted on an appointment when it was clear it wasn't going my way.

Also, based on the new girl he just put up (Lotus), I don't think there's a "downward spiral." Steve, please don't let her leave before I can get over there to fuck her! LOL

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3844875]When I was checking the lineup a couple of weeks back, the [B]very FIRST[/B] thing Steve sent was that Kenzee was AKA Madeliene. I actually didn't realize there was a negative connotation associated, I passed because I decided on something different.

EE has been the most stable thing going around here for some time. I don't believe he's going to do bait and switch. Even if it was, why not just leave? I've bolted on an appointment when it was clear it wasn't going my way.

Also, based on the new girl he just put up (Lotus), I don't think there's a "downward spiral." Steve, please don't let her leave before I can get over there to fuck her! LOL[/QUOTE]I have to chime in on EE as well. Steve has been nothing but a pleasure to deal with over the years. No intent to white knight here, just stating the facts. Punctual, polite and with the exception of 1 lady, I have always had a great time.

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3844719]My rebuttal to DickHead: Kenzee is Madeliene from before. Was no bait and switching going on. I have told about every single person who has asked about her this info. He didn't ask as I would have surely told him. She wanted to change her name for privacy reasons. Also I had pics with tats first posted on her ad and then She requested those be edited. The first pics are currently on the website. Wasn't my idea and I personally don't believe in name changing etc. She has changed and wanted a new start and also was worried about certain people recognizing her profile. He had every opportunity to ask for pics and more info about her. I realize the disappoint and would make it up to him next time for the misunderstanding. There Was nothing done intentionally. EE.[/QUOTE]I don't have a dog in the fight but I don't think I would bother to ask if the person had changed there name or if the pics on the ad had been edited when contacting you.

I would expect that pics would be unedited at the least.

Never been anything but cool with me. One time I had a so so experience, and we talked about it. He wasn't rude, or defensive.

Dude has always had his shit together every time I've dealt with him.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3844875]When I was checking the lineup a couple of weeks back, the [B]very FIRST[/B] thing Steve sent was that Kenzee was AKA Madeliene. I actually didn't realize there was a negative connotation associated, I passed because I decided on something different.

EE has been the most stable thing going around here for some time. I don't believe he's going to do bait and switch. Even if it was, why not just leave? I've bolted on an appointment when it was clear it wasn't going my way.

Also, based on the new girl he just put up (Lotus), I don't think there's a "downward spiral." Steve, please don't let her leave before I can get over there to fuck her! LOL[/QUOTE]When I requested info on Kenzee, Steve immediately replied that Kenzee was the former Madeline and provided pics showing the tats that I was familiar with from a previous visit. I can see legitimate reasons why a provider might change her name, especially if she is being stalked. Madeline was a quality experience for me and I see no reason why a name change would alter that. And as for EE being in a "downward spiral." Are you kidding? I see the current lineup as outstanding.

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;3844099]I believe the equation is.

6 months + 25 posts - Pissing A2 off = Senior.[/QUOTE]That has never been stated better.

Tip o the hat.

[QUOTE=WyldeChild99;3845610]Never been anything but cool with me. One time I had a so so experience, and we talked about it. He wasn't rude, or defensive.

Dude has always had his shit together every time I've dealt with him.[/QUOTE]I agree. 100 percentage. Always top service.

[QUOTE=WyldeChild99;3845610]Never been anything but cool with me. One time I had a so so experience, and we talked about it. He wasn't rude, or defensive.

Dude has always had his shit together every time I've dealt with him.[/QUOTE]Not only that but will vouch for you with providers looking for references for you. Unless that provider has pissed him off in the past, which I understand.

Golfguy, playing through.

Provider reminder 8 A.

"[U]I ain't done 'til I say so.[/U]".

Hey provider. I just came. You know it, but. My penis has an extra pulse or two left in it. And.

[I]I look up to see that you are already dressed?[/I]

[B]Please ... let [u]me[/u] tell you when I am finished![/B]

I am not finished until I pull my manhood out of your vagina after cumming ([I][u]and[/u] thank you[/I]).

Or, if you are orally gratifying me, I am not finished until I push your lips off of my phallus. To stop any sooner is just plain wrong.

[B]You'll have me coming back more often - if you just keep that in mind.[/B]

[QUOTE=RDangerfield;3849683]Provider reminder 8 A.
"[U]I ain't done 'til I say so.[/U]".
Hey provider. I just came. You know it, but. My penis has an extra pulse or two left in it. And [I]I look up to see that you are already dressed?[/I]
[B]Please ... let [u]me[/u] tell you when I am finished![/B]
I am not finished until I pull my manhood out of your vagina after cumming ([I][u]and[/u] thank you[/I]). Or, if you are orally gratifying me, I am not finished until I push your lips off of my phallus. To stop any sooner is just plain wrong. [B]You'll have me coming back more often - if you just keep that in mind.[/B][/QUOTE]I would love to know who the best "no quit" girls are. And the ones that won't let you leave until they try to get you off the second time.

Is it really worth the extra $$? Since we are paying for experience not just looks is there a difference in experience? After all they are all the same doing it all for $.

[QUOTE=WillieWanka;3851458]Is it really worth the extra $$? Since we are paying for experience not just looks is there a difference in experience? After all they are all the same doing it all for $.[/QUOTE]As always, YMMV. But of the three "high end" girls I've seen from there who don't also advertise on USA, two were awesome experiences with gorgeous ladies and well worth the extra. And one was a gorgeous lady who was not really my type, it turns out. So that experience left me flat.

So, IMO, it really depends on the girl, and what you want, and how you click. But the same can be said for USA ladies. One thing I will say, you probably won't be seeing them in a low end motel. One girl was in a 4 or 5 star place. Not a chain hotel. After the first hour we laid there in that huge, really cool bed in that huge room and talked for another almost two hours. She definitely WAS my type.

LL.

[QUOTE=LuvnLivn;3852741]As always, YMMV. But of the three "high end" girls I've seen from there who don't also advertise on USA, two were awesome experiences with gorgeous ladies and well worth the extra. And one was a gorgeous lady who was not really my type, it turns out. So that experience left me flat.

So, IMO, it really depends on the girl, and what you want, and how you click. But the same can be said for USA ladies. One thing I will say, you probably won't be seeing them in a low end motel. One girl was in a 4 or 5 star place. Not a chain hotel. After the first hour we laid there in that huge, really cool bed in that huge room and talked for another almost two hours. She definitely WAS my type.

LL.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a hit or miss. Do you have a preferred go to high end site?

[QUOTE=WorksAlot;3852117]I went and saw Lacey for the first time in 1. 5 years. The extra weight makes her look much better. Still the same great service. She is either the greatest actress or she really enjoys it. Can't really add anything new. I think I'm going to start seeing her regularly again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aries25;3852678]She is my regular, and has been since October. If you want to be her regular too just don't try to take my time slots LOL! But yeah Lacey Foxx is the best and I love her![/QUOTE]No squabbling and getting jealous over the hookers son. I'm sure she (and the dude that lives with her) loves you back and will find time for your dollars too.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3836821]All this comming from a girl who takes dick up her ass. Lmao the irony huh? You still going? GET OUT YA FEELINGS MAMA. Let me guess your not a hooker and prostitute but a RELAXATION SPECIALIST LIKE VELVET?? LMFAO the shit ya'll come up with to help sleep at night.[/QUOTE]Are you saying she's a bad person for being a prostitute?

And yet. You give money to prostitutes.

Sounds like a little conflict there LOL.

(Trying to catch up on all this drama).

[blue]The only thing he's saying is "somebody please pay attention to me, please, pleeeeaaaasssseeeee.

That's all every troll is ever saying.

A2[/blue]

[B]A big shout out to [red]ChromeMan109[/red]. Thanks![/B]

Jack

This question is more for senior members but anyways. I recently saw my regular provider at the Kroger's. She was obviously with her SO. We made eye contact and just smiled. Later on in the evening she texted and thanked me I didn't say anything. I'm pretty sure I handled the situation correctly but I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Or if it even went the other way and ended up being an awkward situation?

[QUOTE=Twackj;3853981]This question is more for senior members but anyways. I recently saw my regular provider at the Kroger's. She was obviously with her SO. We made eye contact and just smiled. Later on in the evening she texted and thanked me I didn't say anything. I'm pretty sure I handled the situation correctly but I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Or if it even went the other way and ended up being an awkward situation?[/QUOTE]I think for most people discretion and privacy is the #1 thing, so I would say you handled it 100% correctly and would expect a provider not to a engage as well if the situation were reversed.

I don't trust street providers to be discreet. That's why I do my business without my vehicle, and no where near my part of town.

I'm sure the not drugged out providers are probably smart enough to get it, but honestly, how many can that number be?

[QUOTE=Twackj;3853981]This question is more for senior members but anyways. I recently saw my regular provider at the Kroger's. She was obviously with her SO. We made eye contact and just smiled. Later on in the evening she texted and thanked me I didn't say anything. I'm pretty sure I handled the situation correctly but I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Or if it even went the other way and ended up being an awkward situation?[/QUOTE]Yes, this has happened to me as well, also at a Kroger, but in the parking lot. I saw her walking toward the store, and I drove up along side of her. I spoke her name (didn't shout at her from across the parking lot) and she smiled and came up to the window of my truck. We chatted for a few minutes and she suggested that I should come see her soon, and we parted ways. If I had been inside the store, particularly if she'd been with someone else, I would've done exactly what you did. I think it's important to assess your surroundings and contemplate the consequences of how you'll react if you make contact with them. I'm sure she was terrified at first about what would happen running into you in public. Your interaction was perfect, that's why she sent the text to you later. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Twackj;3853981]This question is more for senior members but anyways. I recently saw my regular provider at the Kroger's. She was obviously with her SO. We made eye contact and just smiled. Later on in the evening she texted and thanked me I didn't say anything. I'm pretty sure I handled the situation correctly but I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Or if it even went the other way and ended up being an awkward situation?[/QUOTE]The longer you are in the hobby the more likely you will cross paths with someone you have seen in public. This has happened to me at least ten times and each one went very discreetly. Krogers, Restuarants, etc. We each saw each other (one of us with family or someone else) and neither of us made any indication we knew each other. Each time went well. This happened with both escort and streetwalker level people. I make it a point with each encounter that being discreet is extremely important all the time.

Never said that at all bud. Since you don't understand what went on and need to catch up (you words not mine) maybe the best thing to do is just stay out of it. P.S. Love how A2 always needs to pop up and throw shade. I'm no troll pal. I have 200 plus posts with some good info, and judging from my in box. . I'm not the only 1 who enjoys them.

[blue]Are you kidding? You're a total troll. Giving credit where credit is due, you confine your trolling to the fight thread and my appreciation of that knows no bounds.

In this I am not being sarcastic in the slightest.

A2[/blue]

Why when you text a provider does it usually take hours before you get a response. I texted one today and two hrs latter she texted back. I returned her text right away and hrs later I'm still waiting for an answer. WTF!

[QUOTE=Workie;3854904]Why when you text a provider does it usually take hours before you get a response. I texted one today and two hrs latter she texted back. I returned her text right away and hrs later I'm still waiting for an answer. WTF![/QUOTE]I feel your pain. You could attribute it to the fact that they are high volume and don't use their phones while with a client. Or you could attribute it to the fact that most providers don't like texting unless setting appointments. Or, as stated by more than one provider, they don't like texting back more than an hour after your initial contact for discretionary reasons. I find myself calling them if they don't respond in a timely manner or continue practicing my powers of patience.

JAC.