There are lots of providers in the casino district.
Just type in massage mohegan on your browser bar and take it from there.
Maybe, out of the Boston monger area to have solids for the area.
Then again providence is up the road.
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There are lots of providers in the casino district.
Just type in massage mohegan on your browser bar and take it from there.
Maybe, out of the Boston monger area to have solids for the area.
Then again providence is up the road.
[QUOTE=Billy617;1413093]Hey guys I'm a newb on here but been in the game for a bit. I usually only tip 20. 00 and have never had any complaints. I usually frequent the same places more then once. Is the industry standard 40 and am I just getting away with 20 because I'm young mid 20s. I have had a couple places especially revere where I haven't tipped at all and gotten more then normal.[/QUOTE]I used to tip between 20 and 40. But now I pretty much have my go to spot, and I only tip 20 and they still treat me like a king.
[QUOTE=Rule43; 1402408]I'd taken my business elsewhere after an initial visit to this place, because the session ended with a tip request that I felt was way too much for the services provided (see my Feb 22 review). However, the Chelmsford location is convenient for me, so I thought I'd give this place a second chance.
Much better experience this time. I walked in without an appointment and saw Angela (hope I got her name right). Good looking, and probably in her 30's. Table shower was very nice. I decided to skip the sauna, because I'd rather spend more time in the massage room. Pretty good massage, UTC above, OTC below, and prostate work was on the menu. The session lasted a full hour, and perhaps a few minutes more.
No tip discussion at all during the session. However, I thought she deserved more than the customary amount, and gave her a generous tip. I'm perfectly willing to reward someone for excellent service, but I think most of us hate being told to do this (as I was on my earlier visit).[/QUOTE]First of all, Rule, thanks for the re-review, I capitalized on it today and I can't thank you enough for name dropping. Went in and saw Angela. She is decent looking, a little belly but nothing to complain about. Was led to a room by the other woman in the spa and met Angela in the massage room. She asked if I wanted a shower, which of course I did, so she put a rob on the table and left for a few minutes. Came back and led me to the shower room. TS wasn't bad, had better, but it got me clean in the right places. She asked how old I was, I said 28, and since I have a shaved head and probably look like a young LEO I threw in some light flirting "You 28 too?" She laughed a bit and apparently it did me some good. A little chit chat, full towel dry, and led me back to the room.
She removed the robe and had me lay face down on the table. Draped with a towel and the massage began. And she gives a really great massage, worth the. 7 door fee alone. Not much teasing until after the hot towel, but then came the 'light touch' with some teasing which was excellent. On the flip, a little more massaging on the legs, got some more lotion, and. After another hot towel I glanced at the clock and saw I had 5 minutes left. She then continued the massage for well over 10 minutes, working from scalp to toes. No mention of any tip whatsoever at the end, so I was sure to take care of her. She's very kind and gives a GREAT massage. Thanks again to the other reviewers.
[QUOTE=Billy617;1413093]Hey guys I'm a newb on here but been in the game for a bit. I usually only tip 20. 00 and have never had any complaints. I usually frequent the same places more then once. Is the industry standard 40 and am I just getting away with 20 because I'm young mid 20s. I have had a couple places especially revere where I haven't tipped at all and gotten more then normal.[/QUOTE]But to finish your excellent point please pass on these gems where the tip is less than the norm and the usual is exceeded!
[QUOTE=Nuts N Bolts;1407842]I tend to agree, and on that note a big thumbs up for Fragrance in CT. Stacy is a cutie, has adequate massage skills and doesn't short you on time. The rooms are clean and private and she doesn't do the massage with one hand, answer the phone with the other hand thing. No discussion of tip, just good service.[/QUOTE]I had a couple of experiences there, both very nice massage and tease. However, the upselling was unbelievable (looking for $80-100 because she had already done an unrequested rear entry). Everything else about the place is great, but they need a little perspective on tipping.
[QUOTE=Billy617;1413093]Hey guys I'm a newb on here but been in the game for a bit. I usually only tip 20. 00 and have never had any complaints. I usually frequent the same places more then once. Is the industry standard 40 and am I just getting away with 20 because I'm young mid 20s. I have had a couple places especially revere where I haven't tipped at all and gotten more then normal.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct, the industry standard is 40 for HE at most AMPs, but you are getting away with 20 or less because you are such a stud, that those 40-50 yo providers are willing to work hard and accept that half a tip or less, just to be in your presence. Just be forewarned, that as you age and if you happen to get like, bald, fat, gray or some / or all combination of those, you will be expected to cough up the full industry standard, whatever it may be in the future. Just like the rest of us fossils are paying now.
[QUOTE=French; 1412939]Been a long time customer at B. F. And never complained when they switched ladies or through me in with the unskilled rubbers.
Lately, they say to come down know problem and boom when I get there, they are beezy and to come back later.
Or, you should have called. AHHH OK.
Well, I will miss some of the great therapist they have, Cindy, Mary are the ones that stick out to me. But, when you call and make appts. 2-3 times and they tell you to screww when you get there, fuget about it. I would normaly take the hint that they don't want you. But, the languadge and culture realms are so different, it is the coordination of things that is too difficult for this business.
For the money I spend, I should get alot better service.
I actualy toughened up the other day. Had mild to louzy service at AMP and left no tip. Usualy, always leave something.
The money these women make is more than most PHD and Masters degree workers in the economy and they work hard for it, but I am know longer going to be looked at as an atm for there life style, if I don't get the service my body needs.[/QUOTE]The prices there aren't bad. Mary was excellent.
Expect "therapeutic" or at most DIY.
Haven't frequented enough to know if more is possible
[QUOTE=SMS 54;1413324]Yes, you are correct, the industry standard is 40 for HE at most AMPs, but you are getting away with 20 or less because you are such a stud, that those 40-50 yo providers are willing to work hard and accept that half a tip or less, just to be in your presence. Just be forewarned, that as you age and if you happen to get like, bald, fat, gray or some / or all combination of those, you will be expected to cough up the full industry standard, whatever it may be in the future. Just like the rest of us fossils are paying now.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct I have never been to an AMP and tipped less than 40 like you say when he gets 40-50 age range and puts the extra pounds on like we have he will pay. Enjoy it while you can.
I've seen some reports on Lavendar. Seems to be DIY with some younger providers.
Water St. Reports have said legit session.
[QUOTE=Stressed Out; 1412994]The first ads I saw for it were in Nov and it was called Lavendar Spa. Sometime last month it gturned into Jennifer's. Both were att he same location. I've seen nothing on it at all although the ads are well written.
There is another place in Quincy that has advertised recently on Water St. The number is 617-821-1295. Maybe someone has info on there also. SO[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SMS 54;1413324]Yes, you are correct, the industry standard is 40 for HE at most AMPs, but you are getting away with 20 or less because you are such a stud, that those 40-50 yo providers are willing to work hard and accept that half a tip or less, just to be in your presence. Just be forewarned, that as you age and if you happen to get like, bald, fat, gray or some / or all combination of those, you will be expected to cough up the full industry standard, whatever it may be in the future. Just like the rest of us fossils are paying now.[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself SMS. Tipping is based on how good the service is, not on the age of the monger. I'm not in my early 20s anymore either but if I get a massage that's lackluster at best even with a 'happy ending, ' She's not getting $40-plus from me. Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Billy617;1413093]Hey guys I'm a newb on here but been in the game for a bit. I usually only tip 20. 00 and have never had any complaints. I usually frequent the same places more then once. Is the industry standard 40 and am I just getting away with 20 because I'm young mid 20s. I have had a couple places especially revere where I haven't tipped at all and gotten more then normal.[/QUOTE]Since you asked, yes, the minimum standard is 40, unless you get lousy service. Your age has nothing to do with it. Beng an inexperienced tightwad has more to do with it. I would be embaressed to walk out the door after leaving a tip like that and even more embaressed for a return visit.
My 2 cents: Yes the standard may be $40 but a) the tip goes to the house in these places, not the masseuse, and be) if they take $20 and continue to offer HE next time you return that means that the $20 was adequate. Maybe not generous but at least enough. I tip 40 unless the service was truly awful but let's face it, with rare exception these ladies are all about getting us to pop as quickly as possible, within 2 to 5 minutes if possible. I don't know anyonw who gets paid 40 for 5 minutes. Or let's say 10 minutes of "milking". That's like 240 an hour! Add in a 50 door fee and you're talking about 90 for a so-so massage from a middle-aged lady who probably gets better bonuses (if any) from Mamasan based on repeat business rather than the occasional big tipper. We're in a lousy economy and I personally tip 40 but if you asked an AMP whether it would rather have an extra visit or two each month at the expense of a modest tip, or less visits but 20 bucks more to the girl (to the house actually) , I would put dollars to donuts the answer is more visits, smaller tips. My point is just let's not judge others for what they decide or are able to tip. If it's not enough, they'll find out soon enough.
[QUOTE=Big Bobby35; 855227]As I saw someone ask, and I've seen the girls digging real hard for more 'tip' with less people visiting the multipling establishments.
(previous post cut and paste)
I will lead off saying that I am not the be-all end-all of standard of tipping. I can just remember a time when $60 bucks got ya an hour massage and a great Ending. And I am younger than most on here.
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Originally Posted by Erokejs.
Ok Big Bobby, I didn't think I was over tipping for what I got and the talent level. But hey, I'm part of the local 69 Mongers Union and as a good dues paying union brother, I will be happy to fall in line. Why don't' you set the rates for us here in the Monger's Union and I'm down for sticking to them.
It is a free economy (well at least today) , so lets all put our 2 cents.while keeping it in a positive light.
Maybe a standard should be set, as it seems numbers have gotten higher while we are all making less.
HJ.
= $20. For mechanical, like she's pulling weeds out of the back garden.
= $30. Your a regular, good technique, but just ok.
= $40. A great day, she put that orgasmic energy into her job today.
BJ.
= $40. Quick mouth to cock sensation, too much hand, finish is no where near her body.
= $50. Normal rates, covered BJ that is good, maybe finish on chest.
= $60. Drained you like she was the only meal she ate today. Facial, etc.
FS.
= $80. Standard, single position, covered (shoulda got a BJ)
=$100. Old ct days of multiple positions, maybe just rush to get out.
= $120+. She wants you to remember her, she is in charge and your going to pay.
Most recently girls have been asking,"what ya going to give me". I hate to think I'm buying a car. But, tactics prove out. If your willing to do $50, why say $50. Shouldn't you say $30 or less. Hell, have fun with it. You may be only one of 3 guys she sees that day![/QUOTE]I think I threw this up awhile ago, based on what most guys felt were the 'norm'. Yes, there is that rando knock-out that you stumble into and its once in a life time. Gj you won the lotto. What kills me is when I turn a friend on to a new piece of talent and I give them this range. 4wks later they ask me how can I afford to do this hobby. I ask them why do they think its expensive. Their response = well I go to abc give $70 for the massage and tip $80-$180 for a HJ or FS on top of the door fee. My response, WTF are you thinking. You've now priced yourself into a let down. To them, you are an atm. Its a service economy. Treat them with respect, and make it enjoyable.
[QUOTE=Adobe; 1413722]My 2 cents: Yes the standard may be $40 but a) the tip goes to the house in these places, not the masseuse, and be) if they take $20 and continue to offer HE next time you return that means that the $20 was adequate. Maybe not generous but at least enough. I tip 40 unless the service was truly awful but let's face it, with rare exception these ladies are all about getting us to pop as quickly as possible, within 2 to 5 minutes if possible. I don't know anyonw who gets paid 40 for 5 minutes. Or let's say 10 minutes of "milking". That's like 240 an hour! Add in a 50 door fee and you're talking about 90 for a so-so massage from a middle-aged lady who probably gets better bonuses (if any) from Mamasan based on repeat business rather than the occasional big tipper.
Not so! Adobe, I know for a fact that the Chinese masseuses in the greater Boston area specifically, get to automatically keep a minimum 25 percent or fifteen dollars to as much as forty percent or twenty four dollars on your atypical 60 dollar, one hour massage. It is all worked out prior to their hiring. It's what determines, among other things, whether they even want to work at the place or not. These ladies aren't hired by the spa in the usual sense of other jobs; an opening is spread by word of mouth or an advertisement placed in a free street vending machine, Chinese or Korean magazine (similar to the Phoenix) , they inquire, and decide for themselves if they want to work there, if they like the deal.
When the opening is available, it means the Mamasans are losing money daily so they arent exactly too particular, too scrutinous, too difficult with their hiring requirements. They just need a body. And fast. To get the money flowing again. Who ever applies first and can start soonest and will cooperate with the deal and the rules, gets the job. Simple as that. Short, fat, tall, pretty, ugly, young, old, it's all arbitrary to the Mamasan, she has seen a lot of ladies come and go and that is how it has and always will be in this business. There are few favorites. Remember this is criminal for most places, and quasi-criminal for the rest. There are few completely one hundred percent legitimate places. It's not like applying for a job at Home Depot.
This percentage workout has been true since the last six or so years, too. That is why the ladies move so often from place to place, there is always a better deal, better or busier store, better, kinder, more generous Mamasan or owner around the corner, and the ladies know this and exploit these options when they feel they need to. I am friends with several masseuses, and in the past three owners, and two Mamasans. They have revealed the "ancient Chinese secret" to me. Those fifteen to 24 dollars are the ladies' commission to keep. The balance is to pay the bills and rent and buy house food. The half hour breakdown is usually only five to ten dollars for the masseuse, the rest house. Or else, why would anyone hang around all day for 12 to 14 hours (for some of them,) waiting for a customer and working their way through a two, three or even four girl rotation to get their next shot? Nobody works for free.
And they keep all (one hundred percent) of their tips. And they are fed by Mama for free as well. Many to most don't pay taxes either, or have a bank account or a credit card. They live underground so to speak. Pay cash for everything. Send most of their money home in 900 or so dollar wire transfers. Buy pawnable items, like jewelry etc. You may beat them once with a low tip, fool them once, but believe me they are savvy and they will remember you, and most likely the next time you get them, they will either short change you on time, give you a purposefully inferior massage or deny you the HE until you promise 40 or better thru hard, pre-touch (but some tease) negotiations, some asking for the dough up front even or others blocking the door after etc. They will get even with you if they care to. Perhaps, this lady didn't, but many others do. This way, even if they only get one customer on any given day, they will still yield fiftyfive or so dollars, which divided by 12 hours is still only minimum wage, however should they get lucky and have two, three, or four or more customers in a day and all tipping forty, that day's salary could be as much as an enginerer, lawyer, professor etc.
The business is feast or famine, chicken or feather, peanut or shell, take the good with the bad, but since many work nearly 365 days a year, it ultimately stills pays for them.
In summation, the best advice is to never go back to a place where you were not happy, where you low-tipped, and to just find one or two, places that you are always happy with, and make them your go to places and just tip the regular amount, that most of us know, on most sessions and a little bit better on the more quality sessions. You can not win this maximum for the minimum game. Perhaps a victory here or there, but ultimately if you keep up at this hobby, you will realize that you will be forced to pay competitive market rates for tips and / or realize it is time to stop going. This is sort of a game, for the masseuses, but NOT for the customer. Don't try to play it better than them, they are much more business smart than they appear to you. Some can get friend discounts, but most aren't at that level. If you want to play games that you can win at, the streetwalker scene allows much more angles to play and can be a more win-able game (albeit dangerous) for those with experience and finesse. But given the LE climate lately, I'm personally done with the street scene, even if some extremely low prices and high mileage can be gained from it.
[QUOTE=Smoke Screen;1413615]Since you asked, yes, the minimum standard is 40, unless you get lousy service. Your age has nothing to do with it. Beng an inexperienced tightwad has more to do with it. I would be embaressed to walk out the door after leaving a tip like that and even more embaressed for a return visit.[/QUOTE]I understand and have been tipping $40. 00 depending on the service but have been known to tip $20. 00 also. These girls want you to return and they will take the $20-$30 because of it. With the economy the way it is we all should be doing that. The girls may complain but then again they still get a tip. I have tighten my belt as we all have.
Tiping is always a question of service, OR, How they mainpulate situations, to drain every dollar.
It took me years to understand that money is not a rite to all, just because of being the opposite sex. Society and cultural norms will want to manipulate and brainwash all into acting as if so, while demanding equal rites.
In One pocket I have a 10, the other a couple of 20's and Ben is in the car.
This way I have to think about whats going on.
My new attitude is that after the flip they want the tip, I walk out with towel around my waist. (They freak out on that one) and rush me back in.
Follow the standards and try to develop L T R with providers and have them feel treated like a queen and your the king.
Contrary to what Adobe said, the tip is usually 100% for the masseuse. The house fee is what gets split and that ranges from "so much a minute" for the masseuse to a 70/30 split to maybe a 50/50 at most. The house gets the larger share. If one gets a totally legit, no HE, no groping etc. Bodyrub / massage that alone is a service that should be tipped. A 55 minute massage, if half way decent, ought to earn a $10-$20 tip alone. If you go to place with a rep for happy endings another $20-$30 would be fair and reasonable for a total of $40. My personal opinion is that if you tip less than $30 for a half assed massage and rushed happy ending (worst case scenario) you are being too cheap.
ARG
Arg, I respectfully disagree. You don't think that the average 45 year old Asian masseuse (who granted may look to be 30) , who sees seven guys a day over the course of a 10-hour day (at least) is pulling down half the house fee (let's say some sessions are half hour and some a full hour) , so 220 in their share of the house fee and another 280 in tips? 500 large a day? Maybe in an American parlor, but not an AMP. Regardless, I agree that 20 seems low, but I.
Just don't think we should be judging the guy who tips 20. If we all start over-tipping, it's like we're upping the ante for ourselves.
[QUOTE=ARegularGuy; 1413940]Contrary to what Adobe said, the tip is usually 100% for the masseuse. The house fee is what gets split and that ranges from "so much a minute" for the masseuse to a 70/30 split to maybe a 50/50 at most. The house gets the larger share. If one gets a totally legit, no HE, no groping etc. Bodyrub / massage that alone is a service that should be tipped. A 55 minute massage, if half way decent, ought to earn a $10-$20 tip alone. If you go to place with a rep for happy endings another $20-$30 would be fair and reasonable for a total of $40. My personal opinion is that if you tip less than $30 for a half assed massage and rushed happy ending (worst case scenario) you are being too cheap.
ARG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Joe Fish;1413423]Speak for yourself SMS. Tipping is based on how good the service is, not on the age of the monger. I'm not in my early 20s anymore either but if I get a massage that's lackluster at best even with a 'happy ending, ' She's not getting $40-plus from me. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Me thinks our good friend SMS was being sarcastic. But then again I could be wrong. Old age does that to you.
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[QUOTE=Adobe;1413964]Just don't think we should be judging the guy who tips 20. If we all start over-tipping, it's like we're upping the ante for ourselves.[/QUOTE]We're not judging, he asked the question and we gave a few answers.
[QUOTE=Adobe; 1413964]Arg, I respectfully disagree. You don't think that the average 45 year old Asian masseuse (who granted may look to be 30) , who sees seven guys a day over the course of a 10-hour day (at least) is pulling down half the house fee (let's say some sessions are half hour and some a full hour) , so 220 in their share of the house fee and another 280 in tips? 500 large a day? Maybe in an American parlor, but not an AMP. Regardless, I agree that 20 seems low, but I.
Just don't think we should be judging the guy who tips 20. If we all start over-tipping, it's like we're upping the ante for ourselves.[/QUOTE]With all due respect Adobe, our local lovelies (said with a little sarcasm) do not see 7 guys in a day. The only places that have that kind of traffic are like One Spa and 7 would be a monster day. Here in MA the girls shoot for 3 per day and 4 is good. How do I know this? Well I tend to find a place I like and go frequently which garners trust to a degree and a level of openess. I have had reasonably attractive girls tell me that on some days they see only one or two. Also, the girls most certainly keep all the tips and a portion of the House Fee. The very best deal is apparently a 50/50 house split but my guess is the girl would have to be a steady 3 to 4 appointments a day, every day for Mama to consider this basically an All Star like JoJo or Annie from the Bonan days.
I think more realistic numbers would put the girl at (2. 5x$20 for HF) + (2. 5x$40 for tip) = $150 on an average to good day.
I would also point out that I think Member 4075's last post was excellent and mostly spot on. Not bad for a rookie!
[QUOTE=Pw Herman;1414003]I think more realistic numbers would put the girl at (2. 5x$20 for HF) + (2. 5x$40 for tip) = $150 on an average to good day.[/QUOTE]OK, so let's say $150 per day. If she works 6 days a week, that's $900 per week. Then let's say she works 50 weeks a year, that's $45, 000 annually. And that's all tax free.
[QUOTE=Choir Boy;1414041]OK, so let's say $150 per day. If she works 6 days a week, that's $900 per week. Then let's say she works 50 weeks a year, that's $45, 000 annually. And that's all tax free.[/QUOTE]Ok, but assuming the 10 hour day that math works out to $15 / hr and at the risk of sounding elitist, thats not a lot of dough.
And I'm certainly not in favor of over tipping. In your example CB, given that some of these women work (or wait for work) 13-14 hour days without much of a life in any other respect, that comes to about $10 / hour and no "normal life". Not a big deal in my book!
Next subject?
ARG.
[QUOTE=Choir Boy;1414041]OK, so let's say $150 per day. If she works 6 days a week, that's $900 per week. Then let's say she works 50 weeks a year, that's $45, 000 annually. And that's all tax free.[/QUOTE]
It is amazing the duality of inasanity this culture has in bombarding sex and violence in the print and airwaves. Then being puritanical in what we find is medically necessary for our own bodies.
They have taken the rite to heal thyself away from the individual to that of the state and now with Obama care to that of the federal agency.
View this long history.
Ask yourself.
What heals you more a pill or a treatment.
3000 BC- Chinese: Cong-Fu of the Toa-Tse. Oldest known book written about massage. Translated to French in 1700's.
2760- Nei Ching describes therapeutic touch
2500 BC – Egyptians created reflexology.
2000 BC- First Writings about Massage
1800 BC- Ayurvedic. Art of Life book that included massage techniques. In India, the focus was on sensual massage aspects. Ayur-Veda is a code of life and it deals with rebirth, renunciation, salvation, soul, purpose of life, maintenance of mental health, prevention and treatment of diseases.
1600 B. C- in Egypt the first record of chemotherapy being employed as a treatment for cancer
1555 BC- A medical papyri contains remedies for all types of illnesses and the methods of application are similar to the ones used in Aromatherapy and Herbal medicine today. The History of Massage:
An Illustrated Survey from around the world by Robert Calvert, founder Massage Magazine.
For the real history of Massage. Robert has informed me that many of the sources which this timeline comes from are inaccurate. His passion for history and massage are evident in this book. Read my full review.
1000 BC- Homer wrote about an oily medium used for massage
776 BC- Olympic Games. Athletes massaged prior to their events.
604-531 BC. The founder of Taoism is believed to be Lao-Tse
500 BC- Herodicus- prescribed gymnastics to heal. Considered to be the founder of medical Gymnastics.
460-380 BC- Hippocrates was taught by Herodicus. Used Friction to treat sprains and dislocations (called anatripsis-Greek for friction). Thought that disease resulted from natural causes and the body has the power to heal itself. Wrote code of ethics that became the Hippocratic Oath. Hippocrates said: hard rubbing binds. Much rubbing causes parts to waste. And moderate rubbing makes them grow.
200 BC- Greek physician Galen used natural magnets to relieve pain in treating many illnesses.
200 BC- The Huangdi Nei Jing (Yellow Emperor's Inner Classic) is the earliest surviving canonical text of traditional Chinese medicine. Anmo is referred to in 30 different chapters of the Nei Jing.
100-44 BC- Romans. Julius Caesar used Massage therapy to relieve his neuralgia and epileptic seizures. Was thought to have been 'Pinched' every day.
130 AD- 201 AD. Galen. Originally from Greece. Physician for the school of gladiators who were rubbed before fighting. Wrote book on manual medicine.
90 BC – Chinese created acupuncture.
25 BC- 50 AD- Aulus Cornelius Celsius. Roman Physician. Wrote De Medicina (8 textbooks with a lot of information on massage).
100's AD – First schools of massage were developed in China
228 AD-337 AD- The Roman Emperor Constantine condemned the baths and gymnasiums as he thought they added to the abuse of sex.
589 AD-617 AD- Sui Dynasty already had knowledge of Massage used as therapy.
600's – Japanese developed shiatsu (finger pressure or acupressure) , anma is massage in Japanese.
980 AD-1037 AD- Avicenna, Persian medic, wrote the Canon of Medicine during the crusades. May have been the first used the process known as distillation to distill essence of rose, although it probably took many years to perfect the process
1300-1368- Guy deChauliac wrote a book on surgery mentioning bodywork as an adjunct to surgery.
1368-1644 In the Ming Dynasty, pediatric massage (which, for the first time, was referred to as "tuina") evolved into a highly systematic treatment modality which is still popular today.
1517-1590- Ambroise Pare, French barber surgeon, raised awareness of the use of massage
1569- Girolamo Mercuriale wrote the first sports medicine book.
1564-1626- Lord Francis Bacon observed that massage had benefits enhancing circulation.
1608-1679 – Giovanni Alfonso Borelli studied muscular contraction.
1660-1742. Prussia. Friedrich Hoffman, physician to King of Prussia recommended rubbing and gymnastics for the royal court.
1742-1823. John Grosvenor, English surgeon practiced healing with hands.
1776-1839. Per Henrik Ling- fencing master and gymnast studied massage after he cured himself of rheumatism in his arm. Developed a system of Medical Gymnastics. Per Henrik ling is not the father of swedish massage!
1800's-Reiki is believed to date back to early Tibetan healing practices. Discovered in the 1800's by a Japanese philosopher and Christian seminary educator, Dr. Mikao Usui
1813- Per Henrik Ling formed the Royal Gymnastic Central Institute in Stockholm, Sweden. His students carried on his work after his death.
1828-1917- American osteopathic medicine was begun by Andrew Taylor Still. For more information see [url]www.meridianinstitute.com[/url] In their early manual medicine collection.
1837. Ling's disciple, M. LeRon brought Movement Cure to Russia, St. Petersburg.
1839-1909. Johann Mezger. Holland. Brought medical massage to scientific community. Started using the terms effleurage, petrissage and tapotement.
1850s- scientific massage therapy was introduced in the United States by two New York physicians, brothers George and Charles Taylor, who had studied in Sweden.
1856. Mathias Roth, English physician, taught Charles Fayette Taylor and George Henry Taylor who brought massage to the US
1852-1943. John Harvey Kellogg, Battle Creek Sanitarium used massage and hydrotherapy. Published magazine called "Good Health"
1850s- Karl von Reichenbach discovered kerosene and paraffin
1879. Douglas Graham-described lomi lomi and wrote a history of massage. May have been first to use massage in USA.
1880. Mary Putnam Jacobi and Victoria A White in New York City. Medical Doctors and professors who researched the benefits of massage and ice packs in the management of anemia.
1884. Professor Charcot. French Physician taught Sigmund Freud. Though French doctors should use massage more.
1884. Massage Scandals in Europe. Physicians became skeptical of claims made by massage therapist and accused practitioners of stealing patients.
1887. Massage (link to full book on Google books. Mechanical Processes by George Taylor
1894. Society of Trained Masseuses formed in Britain. Set up study of massage along with prerequisites for education and criteria for school recognition.
1895. Sigmund Freud. Used Massage Therapy to treat hysteria. Studies in Hysteria. Postulated that what we did not or will not confront in our lives would be buried in the body in the unconscious mind.
1895.Harvey Kellogg."The Art of Massage".Full text available online at.
The Meridian Institute.
1899. Sir William Bennet- Started a massage department at St. George's Hospital in London.
1800's-Canadian Deep Muscle This technique addresses specific muscles and muscle groups. The practitioners are trained to fix specific problems. It is a fundamental technique that offers fast results for both pain and stress. This form of cross fiber massage was first written about in the late 1800's in New York City.
1900. Albert Hoffa- wrote book 'Technike der Massage'.
1900s early- Jin shin jyutsu, the "art of circulation awakening," was developed in Japan by Jiro Murai and brought to the United States in the 1960s by Mary Iino Burmeister.
1900's early- The Alexander Technique was developed by an Australian actor F. M. Alexander
1907. Edgar Ferdinand Cyriax- Used Ling's Swedish Movement Cure and Mechanotherapeutics.
1907-Naprapathy originated by a chiropractor in.
Chicago. This also concerns connective tissue.
1913. Dr. William Fitzgerald rediscovered Reflexology and called it Zone Therapy.
1917- James Mennell. London. St. Thomas Hospital. Did physical treatment by movement, manipulation and massage.
W. W. I- Swedish massage used for rehabilitation of injured soldiers.
1927. New York State Society of Medical Massage Therapists (first massage association)
1929. Elizabeth Dicke, German physical therapist created 'Bindgewebs massage' or connective tissue massage. Used reflex zones.
1930's. Hospitals staffed Physical Therapists who were doing massage.
1930- Neuromuscular Therapy created by Stanley Leif. For a more detailed history of Neuromuscular Therapy see Judith Walker Delaney's website
1932. Emil Voder. Danish physiologist created Manual Lymph Drainage.
1934. Wilhelm Reich. Austrian psychoanalysis. Freud's student. Used Somato techniques to dissolve muscular armor. Attempted to cure neuroses by releasing their corresponding muscle tensions by using breath, movement and physical manipulation. The community was outraged at the thought of using physical contact. He was sent to prison for his conflicts and died there.
Bioenergetics created by Alexander Lowen, emerged from Reich's work.
Also wrote "Joy. The surrender of the body to life", Depression and the Body: The Biological Basis of Faith and Reality "Depression has become so common that one psychiatrist even describes it as a "perfectly normal" reaction, provided, of course, it does not "interfere,
The "Language of the Body".
1937-A French chemist, Rene Maurice Gattefosse, began his research into the healing powers of essential oils after burning his hand in his laboratory and immersing in it in lavender oil and being impressed by how quickly the burn healed. He published a book about the anti.microbial effects of the oils and coined the word Aromatherapy.
1939. The Florida State Massage Therapy Association Inc. (FSMTA) was first organized on June 15, 1939 one of the oldest massage organization, with 85 charter members. The first Massage Act was passed by the Florida Legislature in 1943.
1940 – James Cyriax, son of Edgar Ferdinand Cyriax, and British Osteopath, created deep transverse friction.
1943. Chicago American Association of Masseurs and Masseuses formed. Later to become American Massage Therapy Association. Dues were $.50.
1949. Massage Registration Act formulated by AMM.
1944. Harold Storms- Storms technique for fibrositic nodules.
1950's. Francis Tappan and Gertrude Beard wrote books and articles on massage techniques.
1952. Janet Travell researches Triggerpoints.
1952-Hoshino Therapy developed by Tomezo Hoshino, Hoshino Therapy is an official medical therapy in Argentina.
1956. Margaret Knott and Dorothy Vass wrote a book called 'Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation'.
1960's. Albert Baumgartner used Massage in Athletics.
1960's – Esalen became a center to explore human potential. Ida Rolf did her first trainings there. Deane Juhan worked there. Bernie Gunther trained people to do massage.
1964. Applied Kinesiology was founded by Chiropractor George Goodheart
1966. Raymond Nimmo-Wrote book " The Receptor Tonus Method ", which came from his work with "noxious generative points".
1960's late- John Barnes, developed Myofascial Release Therapy
1971-Core Energetics Started by Dr. John Pierralcos in 1971, core energetics adds a more spiritual aspect to bioenergetics.
Core Energetics: Developing the Capacity to Love and Heal.
By John C Pierrakos
1972. Moshe Feldenkrais, writes "Awareness Through Movement" which follows up to his 1949 publication The Body and Mature Behavior.
The Potent Self: A Study of Spontaneity and Compulsion by Moshe Feldenkrais, Michaeleen Kimmey. Studies of sensory awareness and movement re-education somewhat based on F. M. Alexander's work.
1973-Zero Balancing was developed by osteopath and.
Acupuncturist Dr. Fritz Smith
1976-Myotherapy (book) developed by Bonnie Prudden
1977- Aston-Patterning is developed by Judith Aston (form of rolfing)
1978- Joseph Heller started Hellerwork (form of rolfing) [url]www.hellerwork.com[/url] [url]www.www.josephheller.com[/url]
1978-Soma Neuromuscular Integration developed by Bill Williams, Ph. D, one of the first students of Ida Rolf
1980's. Association of Bodywork and Massage Practitioners formed.
1980s-Watsu (water therapy) was developed by Harold Dull
1980's-Taws Method (Soft Tissue Release) was developed by Stuart Taws (his website) , a British sports rehabilitation therapist now residing in America
1981. Lauren Berry, a physical therapist and mechanical engineer, recorded his methods of manipulating joints,"The Berry Method, Volume I"
1981- Lawrence H. Jones identifies tenderpoints and develops "Strain- Counterstrain" techniques of treating points.
1983. Janet Travell writes book. With David Simons."Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Triggerpoint Manual : Volumes I & 2
1990's- David Palmer creates and markets On Site Massage using a massage chair. [url]www.touchpro.org[/url]
1990- protocol for fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) defined by the American College of Rheumatology
1991. Touch Research Institute created.
1992. National Certification. See also: licensing and legislation issues
2001- CAM law activated in Minnesota
2012. Still humans need body work.
What ever type of care they desire is their own personal right to choose
[QUOTE=Pw Herman; 1413988]Has anyone had the chance to try this place in Newton?
&9819; &9819; &9819; &9819; &9819; GRAND OPENING! Eastern Select Therapy (Newton)
Grand Opening, good environment, clean and comfortable rooms
MASSAGE by professional Asian masseuses working right now.
Highly skill massage and foot reflexology.
Benefits for our massage: relaxing, losing tight muscles, cleaning the nerve system.
You can choose: Light Touch, Combination Swedish, Deep Tissue, Shiatsu, Aroma Therapy, Thai, Soft Finger Touch, .
You will be RELAXED, relieve tension, relieve pain, re-energize.
We open 7 days: Mon. Sun : 9:30 AM to 10 PM.
We are located 56 Winchester Street # 8, Newton, MA 02461.
Parking available.
Swedish 1/2 hour $ 35.
1 hour $ 55.
1. 5 hour $ 80.
Deep tissue 1 hr $ 60.
1. 5 hr $ 90.
Foot reflexology 1 hr $ 50.
Foot reflexology 1/2 hr $ 30.
Please call us now (617) 820-1218 for appointment or walking in.
[url]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/thp/2925015054.html[/url][/QUOTE]Place is clean, walk down hall past personal training studio, and first floor has a daycare place so that was awkward. Magge was very good with attractive young lasdt, long black hair. Only slight teasing and nothing else. I tried to pursuade but no luck. Massage was good however
Anyone try this place? It is in Lynn and I want to try it out because of the table shower.
[QUOTE=French; 1414377]It is amazing the duality of inasanity this culture has in bombarding sex and violence in the print and airwaves. Then being puritanical in what we find is medically necessary for our own bodies.
They have taken the rite to heal thyself away from the individual to that of the state and now with Obama care to that of the federal agency.
View this long history.
Ask yourself.
What heals you more a pill or a treatment.
3000 BC- Chinese: Cong-Fu of the Toa-Tse. Oldest known book written about massage. Translated to French in 1700's.
2760- Nei Ching describes therapeutic touch
2500 BC – Egyptians created reflexology.
2000 BC- First Writings about Massage
1800 BC- Ayurvedic. Art of Life book that included massage techniques. In India, the focus was on sensual massage aspects. Ayur-Veda is a code of life and it deals with rebirth, renunciation, salvation, soul, purpose of life, maintenance of mental health, prevention and treatment of diseases.
1600 B. C- in Egypt the first record of chemotherapy being employed as a treatment for cancer
1555 BC- A medical papyri contains remedies for all types of illnesses and the methods of application are similar to the ones used in Aromatherapy and Herbal medicine today. The History of Massage:
An Illustrated Survey from around the world by Robert Calvert, founder Massage Magazine.
For the real history of Massage. Robert has informed me that many of the sources which this timeline comes from are inaccurate. His passion for history and massage are evident in this book. Read my full review.
1000 BC- Homer wrote about an oily medium used for massage
776 BC- Olympic Games. Athletes massaged prior to their events.
604-531 BC. The founder of Taoism is believed to be Lao-Tse
500 BC- Herodicus- prescribed gymnastics to heal. Considered to be the founder of medical Gymnastics.
460-380 BC- Hippocrates was taught by Herodicus. Used Friction to treat sprains and dislocations (called anatripsis-Greek for friction). Thought that disease resulted from natural causes and the body has the power to heal itself. Wrote code of ethics that became the Hippocratic Oath. Hippocrates said: hard rubbing binds. Much rubbing causes parts to waste. And moderate rubbing makes them grow.
200 BC- Greek physician Galen used natural magnets to relieve pain in treating many illnesses.
200 BC- The Huangdi Nei Jing (Yellow Emperor's Inner Classic) is the earliest surviving canonical text of traditional Chinese medicine. Anmo is referred to in 30 different chapters of the Nei Jing.
100-44 BC- Romans. Julius Caesar used Massage therapy to relieve his neuralgia and epileptic seizures. Was thought to have been 'Pinched' every day.
130 AD- 201 AD. Galen. Originally from Greece. Physician for the school of gladiators who were rubbed before fighting. Wrote book on manual medicine.
90 BC – Chinese created acupuncture.
25 BC- 50 AD- Aulus Cornelius Celsius. Roman Physician. Wrote De Medicina (8 textbooks with a lot of information on massage).
100's AD – First schools of massage were developed in China
228 AD-337 AD- The Roman Emperor Constantine condemned the baths and gymnasiums as he thought they added to the abuse of sex.
589 AD-617 AD- Sui Dynasty already had knowledge of Massage used as therapy.
600's – Japanese developed shiatsu (finger pressure or acupressure) , anma is massage in Japanese.
980 AD-1037 AD- Avicenna, Persian medic, wrote the Canon of Medicine during the crusades. May have been the first used the process known as distillation to distill essence of rose, although it probably took many years to perfect the process
1300-1368- Guy deChauliac wrote a book on surgery mentioning bodywork as an adjunct to surgery.
1368-1644 In the Ming Dynasty, pediatric massage (which, for the first time, was referred to as "tuina") evolved into a highly systematic treatment modality which is still popular today.
1517-1590- Ambroise Pare, French barber surgeon, raised awareness of the use of massage
1569- Girolamo Mercuriale wrote the first sports medicine book.
1564-1626- Lord Francis Bacon observed that massage had benefits enhancing circulation.
1608-1679 – Giovanni Alfonso Borelli studied muscular contraction.
1660-1742. Prussia. Friedrich Hoffman, physician to King of Prussia recommended rubbing and gymnastics for the royal court.
1742-1823. John Grosvenor, English surgeon practiced healing with hands.
1776-1839. Per Henrik Ling- fencing master and gymnast studied massage after he cured himself of rheumatism in his arm. Developed a system of Medical Gymnastics. Per Henrik ling is not the father of swedish massage!
1800's-Reiki is believed to date back to early Tibetan healing practices. Discovered in the 1800's by a Japanese philosopher and Christian seminary educator, Dr. Mikao Usui
1813- Per Henrik Ling formed the Royal Gymnastic Central Institute in Stockholm, Sweden. His students carried on his work after his death.
1828-1917- American osteopathic medicine was begun by Andrew Taylor Still. For more information see.
[url]www.meridianinstitute.com[/url]
In their early manual medicine collection.
1837. Ling's disciple, M. LeRon brought Movement Cure to Russia, St. Petersburg.
1839-1909. Johann Mezger. Holland. Brought medical massage to scientific community. Started using the terms effleurage, petrissage and tapotement.
1850s- scientific massage therapy was introduced in the United States by two New York physicians, brothers George and Charles Taylor, who had studied in Sweden.
1856. Mathias Roth, English physician, taught Charles Fayette Taylor and George Henry Taylor who brought massage to the US
1852-1943. John Harvey Kellogg, Battle Creek Sanitarium used massage and hydrotherapy. Published magazine called "Good Health"
1850s- Karl von Reichenbach discovered kerosene and paraffin
1879. Douglas Graham-described lomi lomi and wrote a history of massage. May have been first to use massage in USA.
1880. Mary Putnam Jacobi and Victoria A White in New York City. Medical Doctors and professors who researched the benefits of massage and ice packs in the management of anemia.
1884. Professor Charcot. French Physician taught Sigmund Freud. Though French doctors should use massage more.
1884. Massage Scandals in Europe. Physicians became skeptical of claims made by massage therapist and accused practitioners of stealing patients.
1887. Massage (link to full book on Google books. Mechanical Processes by George Taylor
1894. Society of Trained Masseuses formed in Britain. Set up study of massage along with prerequisites for education and criteria for school recognition.
1895. Sigmund Freud. Used Massage Therapy to treat hysteria. Studies in Hysteria. Postulated that what we did not or will not confront in our lives would be buried in the body in the unconscious mind.
1895. Harvey Kellogg."The Art of Massage". Full text available online at.
The Meridian Institute.
1899. Sir William Bennet- Started a massage department at St. George's Hospital in London.
1800's-Canadian Deep Muscle This technique addresses specific muscles and muscle groups. The practitioners are trained to fix specific problems. It is a fundamental technique that offers fast results for both pain and stress. This form of cross fiber massage was first written about in the late 1800's in New York City.
1900. Albert Hoffa- wrote book 'Technike der Massage'.
1900s early- Jin shin jyutsu, the "art of circulation awakening," was developed in Japan by Jiro Murai and brought to the United States in the 1960s by Mary Iino Burmeister.
1900's early- The Alexander Technique was developed by an Australian actor F. M. Alexander
1907. Edgar Ferdinand Cyriax- Used Ling's Swedish Movement Cure and Mechanotherapeutics.
1907-Naprapathy originated by a chiropractor in.
Chicago. This also concerns connective tissue.
1913. Dr. William Fitzgerald rediscovered Reflexology and called it Zone Therapy.
1917- James Mennell. London. St. Thomas Hospital. Did physical treatment by movement, manipulation and massage.
W. W. I- Swedish massage used for rehabilitation of injured soldiers.
1927. New York State Society of Medical Massage Therapists (first massage association)
1929. Elizabeth Dicke, German physical therapist created 'Bindgewebs massage' or connective tissue massage. Used reflex zones.
1930's. Hospitals staffed Physical Therapists who were doing massage.
1930- Neuromuscular Therapy created by Stanley Leif. For a more detailed history of Neuromuscular Therapy see Judith Walker Delaney's website
1932. Emil Voder. Danish physiologist created Manual Lymph Drainage.
1934. Wilhelm Reich. Austrian psychoanalysis. Freud's student. Used Somato techniques to dissolve muscular armor. Attempted to cure neuroses by releasing their corresponding muscle tensions by using breath, movement and physical manipulation. The community was outraged at the thought of using physical contact. He was sent to prison for his conflicts and died there.
Bioenergetics created by Alexander Lowen, emerged from Reich's work.
Also wrote "Joy. The surrender of the body to life", Depression and the Body: The Biological Basis of Faith and Reality "Depression has become so common that one psychiatrist even describes it as a "perfectly normal" reaction, provided, of course, it does not "interfere,
The "Language of the Body".
1937-A French chemist, Rene Maurice Gattefosse, began his research into the healing powers of essential oils after burning his hand in his laboratory and immersing in it in lavender oil and being impressed by how quickly the burn healed. He published a book about the anti. Microbial effects of the oils and coined the word Aromatherapy.
1939. The Florida State Massage Therapy Association Inc. (FSMTA) was first organized on June 15, 1939 one of the oldest massage organization, with 85 charter members. The first Massage Act was passed by the Florida Legislature in 1943.
1940 – James Cyriax, son of Edgar Ferdinand Cyriax, and British Osteopath, created deep transverse friction.
1943. Chicago American Association of Masseurs and Masseuses formed. Later to become American Massage Therapy Association. Dues were $.50.
1949. Massage Registration Act formulated by AMM.
1944. Harold Storms- Storms technique for fibrositic nodules.
1950's. Francis Tappan and Gertrude Beard wrote books and articles on massage techniques.
1952. Janet Travell researches Triggerpoints.
1952-Hoshino Therapy developed by Tomezo Hoshino, Hoshino Therapy is an official medical therapy in Argentina.
1956. Margaret Knott and Dorothy Vass wrote a book called 'Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation'.
1960's. Albert Baumgartner used Massage in Athletics.
1960's – Esalen became a center to explore human potential. Ida Rolf did her first trainings there. Deane Juhan worked there. Bernie Gunther trained people to do massage.
1964. Applied Kinesiology was founded by Chiropractor George Goodheart
1966. Raymond Nimmo-Wrote book " The Receptor Tonus Method ", which came from his work with "noxious generative points".
1960's late- John Barnes, developed Myofascial Release Therapy
1971-Core Energetics Started by Dr. John Pierralcos in 1971, core energetics adds a more spiritual aspect to bioenergetics.
Core Energetics: Developing the Capacity to Love and Heal.
By John C Pierrakos
1972. Moshe Feldenkrais, writes "Awareness Through Movement" which follows up to his 1949 publication The Body and Mature Behavior.
The Potent Self: A Study of Spontaneity and Compulsion by Moshe Feldenkrais, Michaeleen Kimmey. Studies of sensory awareness and movement re-education somewhat based on F. M. Alexander's work.
1973-Zero Balancing was developed by osteopath and.
Acupuncturist Dr. Fritz Smith
1976-Myotherapy (book) developed by Bonnie Prudden
1977- Aston-Patterning is developed by Judith Aston (form of rolfing)
1978- Joseph Heller started Hellerwork (form of rolfing)
[url]www.hellerwork.com[/url]
[url]www.www.josephheller.com[/url]
1978-Soma Neuromuscular Integration developed by Bill Williams, Ph. D, one of the first students of Ida Rolf
1980's. Association of Bodywork and Massage Practitioners formed.
1980s-Watsu (water therapy) was developed by Harold Dull
1980's-Taws Method (Soft Tissue Release) was developed by Stuart Taws (his website) , a British sports rehabilitation therapist now residing in America
1981. Lauren Berry, a physical therapist and mechanical engineer, recorded his methods of manipulating joints,"The Berry Method, Volume I"
1981- Lawrence H. Jones identifies tenderpoints and develops "Strain- Counterstrain" techniques of treating points.
1983. Janet Travell writes book. With David Simons."Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Triggerpoint Manual : Volumes I & 2
1990's- David Palmer creates and markets On Site Massage using a massage chair.
[url]www.touchpro.org[/url]
1990- protocol for fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) defined by the American College of Rheumatology
1991. Touch Research Institute created.
1992. National Certification. See also: licensing and legislation issues
2001- CAM law activated in Minnesota
2012. Still humans need body work.
What ever type of care they desire is their own personal right to choose[/QUOTE]Dude! What the fat+$ is this shit. You have way too much free time! Go get a rub and tug and post it here.
That's all the education we need. Thank you kindly.
BB
[QUOTE=Jcrims;1414586]Anyone try this place? It is in Lynn and I want to try it out because of the table shower.[/QUOTE]I use to go regularly. It's really hit or miss. A poor man's Holistic Spa (Revere). The ladies are on the older side. You're standard decent Korean rub and ending. Nothing more.
BB
[QUOTE=BaconBits; 1414603]I use to go regularly. It's really hit or miss. A poor man's Holistic Spa (Revere). The ladies are on the older side. You're standard decent Korean rub and ending. Nothing more.
BB[/QUOTE]I just visited yesterday, saw Julie. She doesn't appear to be old, maybe late 20s, small body but nice. Great tease in TS and during massage, great HE.
[QUOTE=Jcrims;1414586]Anyone try this place? It is in Lynn and I want to try it out because of the table shower.[/QUOTE]You may get a decent table shower or even a fairly attractive masseuse but some are old and scary, like those faces people used to put up in there game rooms that squirted water on you! Nobody will break policy and go bare and most are no touch. Most often a very mechanical HE. There are better places and they are more deserving of your business. Bottom line (no pun intended) I have had more fun at other places and for the same $
Member 4075 is spot on.
[QUOTE=Member #4075; 1413794]
[QUOTE=Adobe; 1413722]My 2 cents: Yes the standard may be $40 but a) the tip goes to the house in these places, not the masseuse, and be) if they take $20 and continue to offer HE next time you return that means that the $20 was adequate. Maybe not generous but at least enough. I tip 40 unless the service was truly awful but let's face it, with rare exception these ladies are all about getting us to pop as quickly as possible, within 2 to 5 minutes if possible. I don't know anyonw who gets paid 40 for 5 minutes. Or let's say 10 minutes of "milking". That's like 240 an hour! Add in a 50 door fee and you're talking about 90 for a so-so massage from a middle-aged lady who probably gets better bonuses (if any) from Mamasan based on repeat business rather than the occasional big tipper.
Not so! Adobe, I know for a fact that the Chinese masseuses in the greater Boston area specifically, get to automatically keep a minimum 25 percent or fifteen dollars to as much as forty percent or twenty four dollars on your atypical 60 dollar, one hour massage. It is all worked out prior to their hiring. It's what determines, among other things, whether they even want to work at the place or not. These ladies aren't hired by the spa in the usual sense of other jobs; an opening is spread by word of mouth or an advertisement placed in a free street vending machine, Chinese or Korean magazine (similar to the Phoenix) , they inquire, and decide for themselves if they want to work there, if they like the deal.
When the opening is available, it means the Mamasans are losing money daily so they arent exactly too particular, too scrutinous, too difficult with their hiring requirements. They just need a body. And fast. To get the money flowing again. Who ever applies first and can start soonest and will cooperate with the deal and the rules, gets the job. Simple as that. Short, fat, tall, pretty, ugly, young, old, it's all arbitrary to the Mamasan, she has seen a lot of ladies come and go and that is how it has and always will be in this business. There are few favorites. Remember this is criminal for most places, and quasi-criminal for the rest. There are few completely one hundred percent legitimate places. It's not like applying for a job at Home Depot.
This percentage workout has been true since the last six or so years, too. That is why the ladies move so often from place to place, there is always a better deal, better or busier store, better, kinder, more generous Mamasan or owner around the corner, and the ladies know this and exploit these options when they feel they need to. I am friends with several masseuses, and in the past three owners, and two Mamasans. They have revealed the "ancient Chinese secret" to me. Those fifteen to 24 dollars are the ladies' commission to keep. The balance is to pay the bills and rent and buy house food. The half hour breakdown is usually only five to ten dollars for the masseuse, the rest house. Or else, why would anyone hang around all day for 12 to 14 hours (for some of them,) waiting for a customer and working their way through a two, three or even four girl rotation to get their next shot? Nobody works for free.
And they keep all (one hundred percent) of their tips. And they are fed by Mama for free as well. Many to most don't pay taxes either, or have a bank account or a credit card. They live underground so to speak. Pay cash for everything. Send most of their money home in 900 or so dollar wire transfers. Buy pawnable items, like jewelry etc. You may beat them once with a low tip, fool them once, but believe me they are savvy and they will remember you, and most likely the next time you get them, they will either short change you on time, give you a purposefully inferior massage or deny you the HE until you promise 40 or better thru hard, pre-touch (but some tease) negotiations, some asking for the dough up front even or others blocking the door after etc. They will get even with you if they care to. Perhaps, this lady didn't, but many others do. This way, even if they only get one customer on any given day, they will still yield fiftyfive or so dollars, which divided by 12 hours is still only minimum wage, however should they get lucky and have two, three, or four or more customers in a day and all tipping forty, that day's salary could be as much as an enginerer, lawyer, professor etc.
The business is feast or famine, chicken or feather, peanut or shell, take the good with the bad, but since many work nearly 365 days a year, it ultimately stills pays for them.
In summation, the best advice is to never go back to a place where you were not happy, where you low-tipped, and to just find one or two, places that you are always happy with, and make them your go to places and just tip the regular amount, that most of us know, on most sessions and a little bit better on the more quality sessions. You can not win this maximum for the minimum game. Perhaps a victory here or there, but ultimately if you keep up at this hobby, you will realize that you will be forced to pay competitive market rates for tips and / or realize it is time to stop going. This is sort of a game, for the masseuses, but NOT for the customer. Don't try to play it better than them, they are much more business smart than they appear to you. Some can get friend discounts, but most aren't at that level. If you want to play games that you can win at, the streetwalker scene allows much more angles to play and can be a more win-able game (albeit dangerous) for those with experience and finesse. But given the LE climate lately, I'm personally done with the street scene, even if some extremely low prices and high mileage can be gained from it.[/QUOTE]
Had appointment at Eastern on Mass Ave but when I arrived I was told 20 minute wait. This has happened to me before here. Left and tried Mandarin and Lotus. All busy. This is 2:00 in the afternoon. Doesn't anyone work any more? So finally I went to Beijing in Alrlington Heights, a place I'd previously sworn off. But got a pretty decent massage (and teasing, ending) from Jessica. Only negative. Shorted about 10 minutes. Paid 60 + 30.
Was trying to coordinate an appointment with a certain provider this week, but she must have been busy and I wasn't able to get through. As a consolation, I decided to settle for an AMP visit. Since Lai Lai was busted a few weeks ago (just days after my most recent visit, in which I drew Sasha for an appointment I won't bother reviewing but was very similar to Griss's post on 3/13, right down to the 'you like shaw shaw? ' routine) , I figured I'd hit Marrett Road.
Called ahead and was told Coco and Mary were working. I asked for Coco, figuring it was either the same one from Lai Lai (refer to previous discussions regarding this) or at least someone comparable. Well, I can say with certainty it's not the same girl; this Coco was older and (I'll be nice and just say) 'not-quite-as-in-shape' as the Coco I had met in Somerville.
I got the hour, as I always do. Massage was so-so, I was a little disappointed by the haggling I got after the flip in order to go UTC up top; she asked about the tip, I quoted the standard fare, and she held out for $10 more. Instead of just saying 'that's OK then, just wrap up and I'll be on my way', I caved and lost the little self-respect I had left. At least her girls were impressive. $60 + $50.
Finally decided to try the spot. This report will cover two visits in a 2-week span. First timer, I got there easy with no waiting. Got Amy, slim. 30-40ish, ok to look at. Received a excellent TS with great attention on the"dirty" parts. She Gave me a good massage, worked out the pain from my insanity / p 90x training. Asked to Flip and got immediate attention to the boys, no questions. Good HJ, massage, etc. $7 / hr and $6 tip.
2d trip, same as above but had to wait 20 mins so shopped at bldg 19. This time got Jenny and I swear it's Jenny from BBW, I know it was because the massage was awesome and she finished me up (HJ) in the unique way she does it. She gave a better TS than Amy, and she was very thorough. $7/6 was the dammage. Had a white guy working the front door. Very strange seeing him working there. If you want a good massage and HE then check this one out. My next report will be on NMS and OS. Goodnight!
Gone past this place a hundred times, never thought to stop in. They used to be called something else, I think Lily or Lilly? Anyway, had a rough week at work so the other night I figured I'd check it out on the way home. $50 house fee for the hour, temporarily reduced from $60, based on the CL ads.
Couches in waiting area had plastic covering the cushions, decided to stick around even after flashbacks to my childhood. Had to wait 15 minutes for someone to free up. Drew Elaine, she's late 40s with a somewhat big top enhanced by the bra padding. Elaine was friendly, gave a good masssage. Used her hands and forearms, really worked out a few knots.
No teasing aside from a few brushes to the boys while massaging legs. On the flip, she steered clear and I liked my chances even less as I realized time was rapidly ticking down. And then she hit me with the "all done". Bummer. Let's just say I helped out with the massage for the last 5 minutes after that. Massage did last the full hour, actually 5 minutes over with the last, not so fulfilling part. I actually had to hit the head pretty bad halfway through the massage, so the release of finally getting to whizz was actually more satisfying than the DIY finish.
I know it was my first time there, but I'll never understand why they'll touch some parts while you DIY but the idea of them moving a few inches north is what would get them in trouble.
Massage 8/10.
Looks 4/10.
ST 2/10 (on first, cautious visit at least)
I don't know if I'll be back. On the way home but other than a pretty good massage, not much drawing me back. Then again, slim pickings in the area. So who knows.
So I've gone through several pages of reviews here and it seems there are two Jenny's in Bedford, one on Great Road, the other on Middlesex Turnpike. Having trouble figuring out which one is THE one that everyone has been raving about lately. A recent review suggested that a provider named Jenny in Burlington may also be THE Jenny. Can someone shed some light on this? Which Jenny is the one with the impressive skills so many are raving about?
Thank you.
[QUOTE=vintage68; 1415944]So I've gone through several pages of reviews here and it seems there are two Jenny's in Bedford, one on Great Road, the other on Middlesex Turnpike. Having trouble figuring out which one is THE one that everyone has been raving about lately. A recent review suggested that a provider named Jenny in Burlington may also be THE Jenny. Can someone shed some light on this? Which Jenny is the one with the impressive skills so many are raving about?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I believe the same organization owns both, I have called to see Jenny at Great Road and been given the option to see someone else at 19.