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[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1184745]But, in the end it still comes down to preference. I do what I do because I like doing it.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]In a nutshell.
Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr.
[QUOTE=TheyCallMeHawk; 1185232]In a nutshell.
Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Hawk. I used to see escorts mostly in the $200-250 range and if you follow the review boards you can know what you're in for and not be ripped off. Also, the UTRs are some of the best deals out there. Depending on how long you've known them they'll often drop their prices to near K level $100 / hr. And the thing about spending time with an escort is it's not rushed and you're usually in either a nice hotel or their house or apartment.
But back to CJ's point about taking pictures. There's no way any non-porn star escort is going to let you take pornographic photos especially if you plan to post them on the internet. Most escorts try to maintain a low profile and even blur their faces in their ads. On the other hand, most SWs aren't thinking past how there going to score their drugs for the day and therefore don't mind photos especially if it means more money in the short run.
One of the nice things about visiting the K is the sheer fun of the hunt and the variety out there at your fingertips. I'm still pretty new at this but I usually have a great time for a very cheap price. Like CJ, I do what I do because I enjoy it.
[QUOTE=TheyCallMeHawk;1185232]In a nutshell.
Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr.[/QUOTE]
And you are not paying for a room, right? And the only time and effort you are putting out is the time and effort you put out in front of your computer.
On the other hand, I am putting out $40 bucks for a room, gas money, girl plus tip and the effort of driving around with a set of eyes in the back of my head. And, I have been known to do this two or three times in a week. No! I don't go out every week. I know my budget and I could do an escort at least twice a month at the rates TheyCallMeHawk is suggesting.
Here is my problem with escorts: Do they provide true GFE? Over the years I have been able to talk some of my girlfriends into doing some pretty far out (and time consuming) activities. Would an escort let me take 30 or more pictures and post them here? Would a Escort let me do this: [b][post=1184527][u]Kitty on the Balcony[/u][/post][/b] and take pictures like this: [b][post=1185064][u]Kitty on the Balcony[/u][/post][/b]. Would an escort allow me to do all that I want, without up-charging me?
[QUOTE=Hunter3203; 1185285]I agree with you Hawk. I used to see escorts mostly in the $200-250 range and if you follow the review boards you can know what you're in for and not be ripped off. Also, the UTRs are some of the best deals out there. Depending on how long you've known them they'll often drop their prices to near K level $100 / hr. And the thing about spending time with an escort is it's not rushed and you're usually in either a nice hotel or their house or apartment.
[/QUOTE]After posting that last post, I did a little checking on BackPage. Unlike CraigsList, most of the girls do not list a price. (I didn't see one request for roses. LOL) There were a few who promised specials. Some of the girl had figures posted in their heading. The average I saw on my short tour of BackPage was $80.
I have been thinking about checking out some of the BackPage girls but I am still leery about bait & switch and the upsellers.
CookyJar
It all about preferences and IMHO you must not look down on the guy who uses one or the other but the cold hard facts, in my own experience since I have used both are :
TheyCallMeHawk level :
Some guys may think the girl advertising on Backpage or the now dead Craigslist is an escort, because she says so, but they are at best entry level escorts for the most part (with some very rare exceptions) the real escorts are independent girls, running their own show (" Indies " for short) , or they belong to a reputed Agency, no pimp, mama-san, parasite boyfriend or drama of ANY kind, well educated and composed, they advertise on their own websites and actively participate on forums where their customer base is active (they usually cater to professional mature guys, who can both afford the rate and be trusted to behave like a gentleman) they can afford to be selective as to their clientele, just having enough cash on hand doesn't mean she will see you; you must be screened (must provide real personal info, no info, no date) they set their schedules, this seems like a lot of hassle to go trough to see a girl but.
The girls are impeccably groomed, your session will be unrushed in a very nice upscale hotel room (included on the entry fee, of course) total GFE (since you read the pertinent reviews you have a very good idea as to what is going to be like) no negotiations to ruin the mood. No money will be mention at all. Kinda like having a great date with your new girlfriend who only wishes to please you, with a total guarantee of no bait-and-switch, minimal risk of LEO or drama.
To some of us, it's worth the $$$ (since this girls have a private life, pics are not allowed, no even for personal use. Some exception may exist. And definitely not to be posted online, only a tasteful review may be posted on the appropriated sites)
The CookyJar level :
One hell of a wild experience, like hunting in the jungle; trills and frills everywhere, the hunt, the chase, following a faint trail, missing the prize, quick U-turn! , there she is! A gem here, some clay there (they all have their uses) it can be very good, very, very, very bad and everything in between, truly not for the faint of heart, the risks are too real and so are the rewards, you must tread with care.
On one hand, the prices are a lot more reasonable, but what you save on coin you may have to pay with sweat (or worse) to some the trill of the hunt is a reward onto itself (for this old dog it can get overwhelming at times, the years of wild chases are over) it's always hit or miss, even with the girls you have seen before and this adds flavor as well.
So we have choices, and in this free slice of heaven we can do as we damn please, pick your poison and don't put down others for their choices (unless you are footing the bill) as for my examples I picked the two most worthy gentlemen on their respective turf : but Hawk and Cooky are season veterans with many years of experience (no offense intended, LOL) skills, talent and a good dose of luck (particularly Cooky) the rest of us are mere mortals that can't expect the same results as these two, I for one will do my darndest, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Peace and;
Lemmesee
[QUOTE=TheyCallMeHawk; 1185232]In a nutshell.
Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr. [/QUOTE]That little black book is worth its weight in gold (>_<)
Pdiddy77 is spot on : the truth may hurt, but it must be said
I just thought pdiddy77s post was a no duh moment and I just meant to poke fun at it. Please forgive me. By the way do you realize DR street walkers are almost the same as our streetwalker damage. What gives are our SW's under priced or DR's SW's over priced? Are we getting great deals and not knowing it?
[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney;1184372]If you believe for one minute, that Pdiiddy77's post isn't right on the money, your living in a fantasy world.[/QUOTE]Pdiddy might have been strait up trolling.
The most suspect comment imo of Longdeluxe's post was this here:
[QUOTE]alot of people down there actually have jobs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Longdeluxe;1185985]By the way do you realize DR street walkers are almost the same as our streetwalker damage. What gives are our SW's under priced or DR's SW's over priced? Are we getting great deals and not knowing it?[/QUOTE]Actually our SW'er prices here in Philly and Camden are reasonable. The rates in the DR are overpriced do to increased tourism thanks to the internet. Foreigners came in flashing money around to the girls until they figured out they could charge more and get it.
[QUOTE=Mrkuyamandla; 1186099]Pdiddy might have been strait up trolling.
The most suspect comment imo of Longdeluxe's post was this here:[/QUOTE]It all boils down to one thing, addicts get desperate when they don't have their "meds" and will do things that most of them wouldn't normally do, and yes there are some good people out there in a bad situation, and just like every other walk of life there are some bad ones, but the bottom line is be safe and careful.
[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney;1186255]and yes there are some good people out there in a bad situation, and just like every other walk of life there are some bad ones, but the bottom line is be safe and careful.[/QUOTE]Yeah Mike I agree. It's weird though you know. Because if you're like seeing a regular and all you begin to establish some kind of weird relationship with each other. Like last year I was seeing this girl regularly and you know I would always ask what's up, how are things doing. Get her some food at Sonic. Get high together, stuff like that. And one time I got out of my car to get some soda and fifty dollars dropped out of my back pocket onto my car seat (I didn't know it) and when I got back in it was still on mar car seat. And the girl just looked me straight in the eye when I got in and didn't say anything. I was like WTF?
Well this exact girl. The same exact one. Ran off with $10 and a couple of my oxies a few weeks later.
CRAZY right? I mean what the hell? It just goes to show you on any given day. You just can't trust an addict.
And I'm sure some of you guys have heard the story about how one guy gave his regular $200 to go buy some crack and she never came back. Who the hell would give and addict $200 to go cop for both her and him?
Some guy how thought he was cool with a girl he was seeing every week.
Be safe with your money dudes. They might be halfway decent people when they're not jonsing for a hit. But.
We work too hard for our money.
On the flip side. I do believe in what goes around comes around and I can tell you guys who are still mongering which girls DID treat me good and are half way decent people. Lindsey was good to me (the blonde, about 5ft 8, blue eyes, used to work out of Jersey City) , Tia was good to me (dark hair, older girl, she told me alot of the games some of these girls play) , Holly was good to me (not the young Holly, the older brunette one, SuperE had pics of her.
The ones who I think are completely worthless, pathetic, and down right mean spirited are Christina Riccii Nichole and Trish. I always treated a girl good when I was mongering and these two are what us recovering addicts call "takers". You guys stay away from them. I wouldn't give them 2 cents. SuperE has pics of Christina Ricci Nichole and I think Cookie or Street Steve has pics of the older Trish. These girl ARE NOT providers they are CON artists and will STEAL from you even after you are decent with them.
Anyways, I'm out of the game now, but to you mongers who are still doing it for whatever reason. Those are the ones I found to be worthwhile and those other two in my opinion are just completely worthless, low lifes.
Keep your money safe, peace
I'm sorry. I'm just getting really worked up now. THE ABSOLUTE worst SW I've come across is Christina Riccii Nichole. You can find her pic in SuperE's posts. And there is a reason WHY she did a date with RookieMonger for $10. Most of us regular mongers are passing her over because word gets around what a rip off she is.
Things happen for a reason and that's why she can't get a date and that's why she has to settle for $10.
But my favorites are Lindsey and the older Holly. Awesome providers.
Tuesday night saw a decoy near 711. Blonde, red cap, white jeans, about 5'5" getting out of LE van to snare a victim. Be careful when she looks too good. Safe mongering.
Newbie to this site. It is great. Thanks. I was in West / SW yesterday and it appears the mongering is ok around 52nd and Pine / Spruce near the park. I saw a WSW an an older BSW at 4 PM. I know there was randon action on Market any other areas? I know the Ave it is just a little far at times.
Thanks