Massage Parlor Reports

The Journal article is interesting in one respect:

“I usually have four or five girls working,” he said. “I have two workers … They refuse to come to work. They’re just nervous. Anxiety was etched into the faces of a group of Korean women who gathered for lunch Tuesday inside the Grand Slam Pizza & Grill in Pawtucket"

OK, then, so which is it? The girls are forced to work but at the same time they are scared off today by the new law? If they were forced to work and required to live on the premises, how could they say no, and where could they go? Maybe the 'sexual slavery' problem exists and if so it should be eliminated. But for the Journal and that lesbian hooker's URI 'thesis' to convey the impression that it is all-pervasive and endemic is clearly what we all know it to be: Unadulterated, steaming Horse S@@@*!

[QUOTE=Newday53]Here's the latest. I honestly feel really bad for quite a few of the providers. RI GA SOL - moral nazis!

[url]http://www.projo.com/news/content/PROSTITUTION_LAW_04_11-04-09_JDGB7T3_v7.37cf9cd.html[/url]

How fu**ing ironic - I get my Senior wings the day after this travesty of justice in RI!!![/QUOTE

A lot of economic talk about the recent decision has been thrown out there.

I will give you a small sampling:

I bring my small comp down for an overnight every year for a two day conf.
We eat, drink, and rent rooms.
While I do not determine the evening activities, I do book the trip mostly for me enjoying the AMP scene. Next year we will not be doing an overnight.
No rooms , only lunch, and of course no playing.

Way to stimulate RI economy!!!

Nice spin but not true.




[QUOTE=Existierende]I thought it was funny too.

I don't actually think that Hughes is far left. She is a fan of former President Bush. And her position is basically that sex is bad in all its forms. For example, Hughes tried to shut down a sexual education workshop in Pawtucket.

[url]http://providencedailydose.com/2009/09/25/pawtucket-opposes-sex-education/[/url]

So Hughes is basically a right-winger dressed up in feminist clothing. Most, but not all, left-wing feminists are sex-positive. They understand that, as Jhonny pointed out, regulating sex is always going to hurt women more than men (with the exception of gay men, I guess.) There are some left-wing feminists that are still anti-sex, but this was more common in the 70s and 80s.

Anyway, my point is, don't blame this on the feminists, or at least not all of them. Many of them support legalization and the rights of sex-workers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackzonian26]Ok, I'm going to start a private club where your first drink at the bar costs you $150.00 And I guarantee that you will get lucky with the hot asian chick sitting on the bar stool next to you. So where's the problem here?

J[/QUOTE]


F*CKING BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!
I hit Mega Millions this Friday and this WILL become reality!
Thanks J26

J

[QUOTE=Jhonny8770]F*CKING BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!
I hit Mega Millions this Friday and this WILL become reality!
Thanks J26

J[/QUOTE]

Absolutely great idea! A nice get together of males and females for a drink or two and you happen to get together with the girl next to you. After the drink no money changes hands and you get a nice evening.
Sounds like a regular date...drinks, fun..pick-up the girl next to you and you hook up.
And no one can complain about the price of the drink...although I would charge a lot less and you can each have a couple. So two watered down drinks (don't want to get drunk) each equals 4 drinks at 40 apiece. Of course you would have to find a way to get the donation to her...don't want to worry about marked bills or the like. I like it.
Or another idea. For the more upscale and reputable escorts you can set-up a paypal account (or another type of money sending device that would be untrackable-maybe green dot) and send the donation a few days ahead of time. Then when the time comes meet someplace and get together. You can even make it a bar or someplace like that where people go to meet everyday. It would take some time and a lot of effort for LE to put the flow together and would eliminate any discussions about money and any donation changing hands that day.
So i want to meet A and I send her the donation a few days ahead of time in an untrackable form. Them we meet, hook up and go back for a romp. Juast like picking up a girl at the bar! Of course this would involve trust on both sides but I think we have a few very trustworthy ladies and gents in out midst.

I go to a long established spa in the city of Providence. My session goes like this: I arrive, mama san takes me to a room, I give her $60, she leaves and I get undressed. A young Korean girl comes in takes me for a nice table shower, followed by sauna, and then a quality massage for 30-40 minutes. Then after the flip she gives me a hand release/happy ending. I never asked for it, no price was ever negotiated. After I'm cleaned up and dressed, I tip her $40, maybe $60. Have I broken a law? Has she? Is there a lawyer in the house? Just wondering...

We all know what happened 30 years ago with the loophole. Something else happened too and now they may be leaving. Funny coincidence.
[QUOTE]PROVIDENCE — The Big East Conference headquarters have been downtown since its founding 30 years ago by a Providence College athletics director, but city officials are concerned whether the nation’s largest college Division I sports conference will stay.[/QUOTE]

I'm pleased that my fellow hobby'ists are thinking about that post. Great minds think alike.

Are There Enough of Us?

Or

"Yeah, There's an App for That"

Maybe it's time we quit moaning about this new law and hash out a solution; maybe on this board. With modern tech, can't we solve our own problem? Yeah, there's an app for that.

I liked the paypal-pay-in-advance idea. Maybe you get a digital receipt.

BlackBerry

You can check your factory inventory in Ohio while sitting on a plane in Miami and re-order precisely what you need from Hadji in Mumbai. all before the flight attendant tells you to bring your seat forward.

We can't help these girls out! And keep working those that want to keep working? I think we can.

So far there are 3 of us in our private gentleman's club. When we get it up to a critical mass of say, 10?. boom. We have enough to start an organization of well-meaning men to secure a spot for private meetings on the ground floor with a couple of "couch" areas. There aren't enough places out of bizness to find one? Next: I. D. Cards. Sign ups. Dues. Paypal. Next: staff? Hmmm. That's the hard part.

[QUOTE=Postman]I go to a long established spa in the city of Providence. My session goes like this: I arrive, mama san takes me to a room, I give her $60, she leaves and I get undressed. A young Korean girl comes in takes me for a nice table shower, followed by sauna, and then a quality massage for 30-40 minutes. Then after the flip she gives me a hand release/happy ending. I never asked for it, no price was ever negotiated. After I'm cleaned up and dressed, I tip her $40, maybe $60. Have I broken a law? Has she? Is there a lawyer in the house? Just wondering...[/QUOTE]
That's how it often happens in NYC - the provider doesn't even ask - just proceeds with HR and you tip. Maybe that's THEIR loophole.
If you get caught, maybe you could claim sexual assault???
Seriously, would be nice if there were a lawyer in the house.

SO

Like the thought but Paypal / Green Dot are traceable and then you start to look at Federal Mail Fraud Charges or consipracy to commit RICO Fraud. We know how that worked out for a certain morning talk show host.


[QUOTE=Stressed Out]Absolutely great idea! A nice get together of males and females for a drink or two and you happen to get together with the girl next to you. After the drink no money changes hands and you get a nice evening.
Sounds like a regular date...drinks, fun..pick-up the girl next to you and you hook up.
And no one can complain about the price of the drink...although I would charge a lot less and you can each have a couple. So two watered down drinks (don't want to get drunk) each equals 4 drinks at 40 apiece. Of course you would have to find a way to get the donation to her...don't want to worry about marked bills or the like. I like it.
Or another idea. For the more upscale and reputable escorts you can set-up a paypal account (or another type of money sending device that would be untrackable-maybe green dot) and send the donation a few days ahead of time. Then when the time comes meet someplace and get together. You can even make it a bar or someplace like that where people go to meet everyday. It would take some time and a lot of effort for LE to put the flow together and would eliminate any discussions about money and any donation changing hands that day.
So i want to meet A and I send her the donation a few days ahead of time in an untrackable form. Them we meet, hook up and go back for a romp. Juast like picking up a girl at the bar! Of course this would involve trust on both sides but I think we have a few very trustworthy ladies and gents in out midst.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newday53]We all know what happened 30 years ago with the loophole. Something else happened too and now they may be leaving. Funny coincidence.[/QUOTE]How many conventions may get shifted away from Prov RI because the fun is gone now.

How many "guys nights" out in Providence will now be reduced?

I know this isn't like GM closing the "only factory" where everyone worked but besides the "workers" feeling this pinch the local hotels food and drink places will too.

[QUOTE=Postman]I go to a long established spa in the city of Providence. My session goes like this: I arrive, mama san takes me to a room, I give her $60, she leaves and I get undressed. A young Korean girl comes in takes me for a nice table shower, followed by sauna, and then a quality massage for 30-40 minutes. Then after the flip she gives me a hand release/happy ending. I never asked for it, no price was ever negotiated. After I'm cleaned up and dressed, I tip her $40, maybe $60. Have I broken a law? Has she? Is there a lawyer in the house? Just wondering...[/QUOTE]Do you know what's going to happen to the spa you are referring to? I've had the same experience there several times. Love the place, and have always been treated well. Didn't expect the HE the first time there and have always considered that part of the massage. Would go there even without the HE.

Beleive it or not, I feel really bad for the people that work there. They have always been very friendly, decent people.

I did read the law and it appears that they have thought of the kind of scenario you have described.

First, LE could allege that the place you visited for HE had a 'reputation' for providing that service--you went in the door and therefore you are a violator.

Second, the law does not seem to be concerned with naughty talk, sexual innuendo and general discussion so much as with actual behavior, so she would be in violation due because she touched one or more of the special prohibited parts of your body described in the law--whether you asked or not would seem to be irrelevant.

Besides which: Are we sure LE will always be honest about what transpires in the privacy of the massage suite? They can say just about anything they wish. Who will prevail in court? A uniformed officer or a young lady who can hardly speak English?

Just my .02!



[QUOTE=Postman]I go to a long established spa in the city of Providence. My session goes like this: I arrive, mama san takes me to a room, I give her $60, she leaves and I get undressed. A young Korean girl comes in takes me for a nice table shower, followed by sauna, and then a quality massage for 30-40 minutes. Then after the flip she gives me a hand release/happy ending. I never asked for it, no price was ever negotiated. After I'm cleaned up and dressed, I tip her $40, maybe $60. Have I broken a law? Has she? Is there a lawyer in the house? Just wondering...[/QUOTE]

Orrrr they could buy some farm land in Uxbridge/Douglas area just up the road on 146. Set up a make shift chapel. Call it a religious organization. File for 501c3 status and be tax exempt. We can mail our donations in by check each month made payable to the K-Parish (get a tax deduction at the end of the year) then we just show up for "Mass" every Sunday and listen to reverand mama-san preach, pick out our alter girl and off to the confessional we go LOL.

[QUOTE=Boston Ampfan] First, LE could allege that the place you visited for HE had a 'reputation' for providing that service--you went in the door and therefore you are a violator. [/QUOTE]
That reputation bit is the stickler. I still say a good lawyer could fight this as hearsay but at what cost to the defendant? I know the authors of that URI "thesis" and other lists for that matter insist places have a "reputation" so I'm sure that's keeping most of us away but where are the actual facts - previous busts, arrest records, hidden surveillance, marked bills, etc. to support these "reputations"? Hell, we could start writing here about "fun" at legit massage places and GIVE them a reputation. Now what - do they close down the entire massage industry in Rhode Island?

And, BA, you are right - the cops will say anything - learned that the hard way a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away (different hobby but still a personal freedom issue) - and with all the hoopla and arrest report requirements with the new law, they'll make it stick.

Guilty until proven innocent. Man this pisses me off. Our forefathers must be rolling in their graves, alone of course, as we all know about the reputations cemeteries have.

P.S. My apologies to the group for the rant. I will post all further discussion on the General Topics forum where it probably belongs. Saw Flatspd's latest post and his is more appropriate to this forum than mine. Good work, Flatspd. Parking in Lily's, man they've got balls - probably LE - got the place to themselves!