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[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172574]That seems to be the case. I know HG usually scores AA but I also recall HG saying he was scoring more than just AA for $ range (he mentioned Latina and other races or maybe I'm really mistaken?), that is where I got the idea that it might work for me as well, it didn't though. For me the absolute floor has been $400 for non-AA, but my preference is slender girls so I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone chubby. I don't like thick girls even if the price was free.[/QUOTE]And yes sometimes I do get a latina or asian, those are the ones that just fall into my lap as I do not court them. Because if a girl favorites me, about half the time I will respond back even if she isn't AA.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4172590]And yes sometimes I do get a latina or asian, those are the ones that just fall into my lap as I do not court them. Because if a girl favorites me, about half the time I will respond back even if she isn't AA.[/QUOTE]You must be hella smoother than me. Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? How about that white girl. Come on I'm dying of blue balls over here, I'll take anything so long as she's thin. Bro my membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me off site, nothing but game players, not one of them had any follow through with anything.

Pretty much the similar experience I had, plus too many pros. Thats why I retired from the bowl now. Just dealing with AMP and escorts. Mainly AMP since it is much more convenience. Too much time and hazard dealing with SB unfortunately.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4172046]Thanks for the advice. I'm totally willing to spend 3-4 for a cute lady if she's really in her early 20's. At max, I might go 5, but no higher. Two more questions, if you don't mind:

(1) Why is it so time-consuming? Aren't the SB's also trying to minimize the time commitment?

(2) Do all SB's understand that the first meeting is PPM? Or is the first meeting typically just a meet-and-greet for the two people to eyeball each other in person and make sure that each is cool with the other?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]1) Several emails or chat before moving into serious commitment. Those that was to meet immediately are pros so I try to avoid them. UTR are usually slower to want to meet and looking for safely (connection).

2) don't discuss price on email or chat on SA. Always do it via text if $ figures are involved or you will be ban.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172592]You must be hella smoother than me. Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? How about that white girl. Come on I'm dying of blue balls over here, I'll take anything so long as she's thin. Bro my membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me off site, nothing but game players, not one of them had any follow through with anything.[/QUOTE]You must be hella smoother than me. - probably

Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no

How about that white girl. - no

My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4173085]You must be hella smoother than me. - probably

Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no

How about that white girl. - no

My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22.[/QUOTE]Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4173691]Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The older they are the more cash they want. With the younger girls they sometimes lie to appear older. Always ask if they have ID before you even meet them. I have ditched over 2 dozen girls that could not produce an ID. No more will be said about that and please don't ask.

I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.

[QUOTE=Mile22;4175258]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention.

Once you have a 'regular.

Mind-blowing sex, good conversation, the ability to offer them valuable / actionable advice on their goals, and taking a genuine interest in their lives will get you into the promised land of seeing girls for zero $.

I have 2 black girls, 2 white girls, and a latina that I can see whenever I want & that neither ask for nor expect any $$$ at all.

Patience & extra effort is worth it.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;4175190]I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in.[/QUOTE]"If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. " hahahaha I laughed my ass off after reading that one. So much of our public discourse is so studiously PC and your comment just cut through all of the bullshit and laid it on the line. Kudos to you, brother, for speaking truth!

[QUOTE=Mile22;4175258]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.[/QUOTE]So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.

What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4175431]So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.

What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.

It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.

$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.

Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.

As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".

Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.

Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.

Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.

[QUOTE=Mile22;4176028]Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.

It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.

$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.

Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.

As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".

Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.

Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.

Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Thanks for the perspective. And I'm glad to hear that PPM works from the jump. I'll report back on my progress!

[QUOTE=Mile22;4176028]As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. [/QUOTE]Or just tell them "You know... every LTR starts out as a one night stand. Let's see how we vibe and then go from there.