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Guys, what are the typical penalties if you get busted for soliciting?
I have been curious. I figured this may be the right place to post this.
I asked this question in texas. Because its a red state I figured the consequences would be minimal.
Thats actually not the case.
Also, what states have the lowest penalties for this?
[QUOTE=Cmbrbg135;5106828]This is just crazy. Below are my remarks posted elsewhere on this site, and I thought it would be pertinent to share it here as well.[/QUOTE]We are a culture of low information voters. Thus the political incentive structure rewards politicians for the appearance of doing good and not actually doing good. A prostitution sting via internet ads is low cost gets the headlines. Low hanging fruit. The cost of infiltrating a legit human trafficking ring is extremely high however and could quite likely never yield a headline.
[QUOTE=RationalityLoL;5113379]Guys, what are the typical penalties if you get busted for soliciting?
I have been curious. I figured this may be the right place to post this.
I asked this question in texas. Because its a red state I figured the consequences would be minimal.
Thats actually not the case.
Also, what states have the lowest penalties for this?[/QUOTE]I think you're better off goggling it. You can go state by state. If I may, why are you asking? Are you planning on getting busted? Or, do you plan to relocate to the state with the lesser penalties? That could give you a false impression. Even though a state may have laws and penalties, they may not really pursue them. And, probably more likely, it could vary by municipality. Some jurisdictions are not trying to bust Johns or workers as long as it is not out in the open etc. We all know certain towns where any AMP is harassed, until they close, or has to constantly deal with the cops coming in, or after multiple attempts the cops finally have a bust. While other places within the same state never have any issues etc.
I wonder if they had anything to do with the report from last week as well.
[URL]https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20201214/2-women-arrested-in-lisle-armed-robbery[/URL]
They apparently met this guy on a dating site.
[QUOTE=MoneyT;5115540]I wonder if they had anything to do with the report from last week as well.
[URL]https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20201214/2-women-arrested-in-lisle-armed-robbery[/URL]
They apparently met this guy on a dating site.[/QUOTE]They interviewed a convicted murderer and I will never forget him saying the internet is the greatest invention for people like him as web sites such as Craigslist, tindr, grindr, Seeking Arrangements bring your victims right to you instead of having to go out and chase them down like Ted Bundy had to.
[QUOTE=GMan25;5115045]I think you're better off goggling it. You can go state by state. If I may, why are you asking? Are you planning on getting busted? Or, do you plan to relocate to the state with the lesser penalties? That could give you a false impression. Even though a state may have laws and penalties, they may not really pursue them. And, probably more likely, it could vary by municipality. Some jurisdictions are not trying to bust Johns or workers as long as it is not out in the open etc. We all know certain towns where any AMP is harassed, until they close, or has to constantly deal with the cops coming in, or after multiple attempts the cops finally have a bust. While other places within the same state never have any issues etc.[/QUOTE]I am asking to get some practical use cases out of it. I've heard that some people get slaps on the wrist and can go on with their lives where other people don't and end up with mugshots online and it becoming real problematic. I want to know what it entails. I know the state goes down to the county, city, municipality and all that, but I figured maybe somebody here would have practical use cases. If there are places in the country that are more lenient, maybe its a better bet to go there at least periodically. God knows chicago sucks for this type of thing anyways. High cost, terrible selection, always cracking down on it. Jeez. Maybe its time to go to canada once every month or two.
[QUOTE=RationalityLoL;5116527]I am asking to get some practical use cases out of it. I've heard that some people get slaps on the wrist and can go on with their lives where other people don't and end up with mugshots online and it becoming real problematic.[/QUOTE]A lot probably depends on the attorney hired and his experience. Not to mention how deep your pockets are. Example # 1: Robert Kraft.
[QUOTE=RationalityLoL;5116527]I've heard that some people get slaps on the wrist and can go on with their lives where other people don't and end up with mugshots online and it becoming real problematic.[/QUOTE]If you get arrested by the Chicago Police Department, it will most likely be posted on their web site and will probably include your mug shot. I'm not a cop or a lawyer, so I'm not sure how you get that stuff taken down, but I do know a couple of massage girls who have had their online records purged after being arrested for prostitution.
[QUOTE=Fit312;5116662]If you get arrested by the Chicago Police Department, it will most likely be posted on their web site and will probably include your mug shot. I'm not a cop or a lawyer, so I'm not sure how you get that stuff taken down, but I do know a couple of massage girls who have had their online records purged after being arrested for prostitution.[/QUOTE]I think Illinois is a state that has a statute that they will seize your car if you get busted as well. Costs $500 to retrieve.
[QUOTE=GMan25;5117435]I think Illinois is a state that has a statute that they will seize your car if you get busted as well. Costs $500 to retrieve.[/QUOTE]It's up to 2 grands and even more in some municipalities. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=Walker333;5117932]It's up to 2 grands and even more in some municipalities. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Real story, Not long ago a friend of mine decided to ride his old bike, it was summer time but kind of late. Anyway, he sees a blond lady in a sexy outfit around the corner. The area is known for street action. So he bluntly asked her how much for a BJ, So the lady looks at him and yells "get the hell out of here or you'll go to jail". Immediately an undercover car pops up out no nowhere and a big guy warns my friend not to cruise the area or he will be taken to jail. They let my friend go without any felony charge or fine.
So seizing an old bike wasn't worth it at all to LE. It doesn't generate any money to the city. On the other had, had my friend been driving even on old car, then his car would have been towed and he would have been taken to jail simply because it brings lots of money to the corrupt city.
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Remember this dumb shit?
[URL]www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-leads-effort-seize-backpagecom-internet-s-leading-forum-prostitution-ads[/URL]
Two years later your tax dollars are still being spent to persecute the people who ran backpages.
Who we elect to state offices matters. Whenever you hear of anyone running for office that supports this dumb shit, get their name out in public and encourage everyone you can to vote against them.
If you have some power and money. Like Robert Kraft. Don't just use it to keep your ass clean. Unlike Kraft, use your influence to get these laws changed once and for all so your dumb ass won't end up in a news report next time you're getting a happy ending.
[URL]https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/2/26/22302666/22-men-arrested-cook-county-prostitution-sting[/URL]
Twenty-two men were arrested Wednesday after responding to online advertisements for prostitution in Northwest Cook County.
The Cook County Sheriff's Police Special Victim's Unit set up meetings with would-be buyers and an officer posing as a person selling sex at a hotel in Northwest Cook County, the sheriff's office said in a statement.
Once the men offered to exchange money for sex, officers waiting outside entered the hotel room and took the men into custody, the sheriff's office said.
Twenty-two men were issued $1,000 citations for violation of the county's public morals nuisance ordinance, and 19 vehicles were towed under the ordinance, requiring an additional $500 to reclaim, the sheriff's office said.
"Sex trafficking is not a victimless crime," Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart said. "Many victims primarily women suffer violence and abuse, and my office is committed to offering them the assistance they need while making it very costly for those who seek to purchase sex. ".
[QUOTE=Fit312;5227048][URL]https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/2/26/22302666/22-men-arrested-cook-county-prostitution-sting[/URL]
Twenty-two men were arrested Wednesday after responding to online advertisements for prostitution in Northwest Cook County.
The Cook County Sheriff's Police Special Victim's Unit set up meetings with would-be buyers and an officer posing as a person selling sex at a hotel in Northwest Cook County, the sheriff's office said in a statement.
Once the men offered to exchange money for sex, officers waiting outside entered the hotel room and took the men into custody, the sheriff's office said.
Twenty-two men were issued $1,000 citations for violation of the county's public morals nuisance ordinance, and 19 vehicles were towed under the ordinance, requiring an additional $500 to reclaim, the sheriff's office said.
"Sex trafficking is not a victimless crime," Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart said. "Many victims primarily women suffer violence and abuse, and my office is committed to offering them the assistance they need while making it very costly for those who seek to purchase sex. ".[/QUOTE]Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?
I did once. Back in the BP days. But it was poorly executed on their part tbh. I didn't suspect anything at all upfront but almost immediately upon walking into the hotel room I figured out that something wasn't right by the way the girl was acting / talking.
Long story short I was experienced enough not to fall for their bait and I never agreed to anything illegal (specific acts for $). They still barged into the room (room had adjoining door to room next door) and did the whole "you're under arrest!" thing. But I told them I never agreed to anything she offered. They had the room wired and an audio guy in the adjoining room. He went back and listened to the tape and they didn't have the goods on me so they let me walk.
I can't definitely see how an inexperienced hobbyist could have fallen for their act tho. Lady cop was actually really hot too. 😂.
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5227068]Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PauFord;5227111]I did once. Back in the BP days. But it was poorly executed on their part tbh. I didn't suspect anything at all upfront but almost immediately upon walking into the hotel room I figured out that something wasn't right by the way the girl was acting / talking.
Long story short I was experienced enough not to fall for their bait and I never agreed to anything illegal (specific acts for $). They still barged into the room (room had adjoining door to room next door) and did the whole "you're under arrest!" thing. But I told them I never agreed to anything she offered. They had the room wired and an audio guy in the adjoining room. He went back and listened to the tape and they didn't have the goods on me so they let me walk.
I can't definitely see how an inexperienced hobbyist could have fallen for their act tho. Lady cop was actually really hot too. 😂.[/QUOTE]But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?
[QUOTE=Fit312;5227048][URL]https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/2/26/22302666/22-men-arrested-cook-county-prostitution-sting[/URL]
"Sex trafficking is not a victimless crime," Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart said. "Many victims primarily women suffer violence and abuse, and my office is committed to offering them the assistance they need while making it very costly for those who seek to purchase sex. ".[/QUOTE]Dart is a clown. More than half the time, he's harming some poor woman who just wants to make some money and isn't being trafficked. And their "assistance" is damaging her business and arresting her if they catch her, costing her money? Fuck Dart right up the ass.
I have a few questions about prostitution stings. The main one is why. The idea is to rescue women, right? Who is being rescued in these stings? Okay, so maybe the idea is to discourage other men from answering and making use of such advertising. So this means men will stop wanting sex or paying for it? It seems to me that even though an offer was made, there were no prostitutes involved and no real sex offered. Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions? Once again, money talks. Lord Tom is going after after low budget motel sex. I don't recall any stings concerning the Robert Krafts of the world and the big money deals in downtown hotels. But it gets Lird Tom nice PR for the God people.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;5227306]I have a few questions about prostitution stings. The main one is why. The idea is to rescue women, right? Who is being rescued in these stings? Okay, so maybe the idea is to discourage other men from answering and making use of such advertising. So this means men will stop wanting sex or paying for it? It seems to me that even though an offer was made, there were no prostitutes involved and no real sex offered. Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions? Once again, money talks. Lord Tom is going after after low budget motel sex. I don't recall any stings concerning the Robert Krafts of the world and the big money deals in downtown hotels. But it gets Lird Tom nice PR for the God people.[/QUOTE]By the way, there has been a lot of news lately about sex trafficking and slavery. Okay, I can buy that. So how many traffickers were arrested in this sting and how massages resued?
[QUOTE=Ump1969;5227316]By the way, there has been a lot of news lately about sex trafficking and slavery. Okay, I can buy that. So how many traffickers were arrested in this sting and how massages resued?[/QUOTE]Stupod auto typing. Sex slaxes rescued.
The ad had already been taken down once the sting started.
[QUOTE=Fdottt;5227127]But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?[/QUOTE]
I was, last winter. Woman posts an ad on STG, we text back and forth. Never discussed rates, never discussed acts, everything was vanilla. I'm not an idiot. Well, I may be an idiot, but I'm no fool.
Anyway, I pull into the hotel parking lot where she said she was staying, text her that I arrived. I watch a patrol car drive by, which meant nothing yet. She tells me to pull around to the 'C' entrance. I drive around the building, there's no such thing. Then she says, "Oh yeah, I'm sorry, wrong hotel!" and directs me a half-mile down the road to the 'right' place. I get there, drive to the 'C' building, and BAM -- two patrol cars and an undercover car. Six guys, while I'm in my car still. They grill me every which way, run all my info, scare the ever-loving bejeezus out of me, and then they left.
I have NO idea why they went through the entire circus only to NOT arrest me, or indeed do anything at all. Here in PA the law says that if someone is trying to commit an illegal act, they can arrest-- you don't need to actually SAY or DO the bad things, they just need to have reasonable suspicion that you MEANT to (I. E. , responded to a post on STG). The cute part for me was how they ensured they knew who I was by following me from the first hotel to the second. But the whole thing was just a complete waste of time and taxpayer money. The undercovers said they were part of some county-wide 'human trafficking task force' or some such; but I was supposedly meeting a 38 year old woman. Who is trafficking her?
So, that was fun.
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5227068]Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ump1969;5227306]
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions?
[/QUOTE]The feminist bullshit that has infested our legal and political systems says that the women are all victims of eeevilll men. So when they catch the girls, they often get sent to rehab of some sort, for drugs, or "rehab" for prostitution. It's called the "Scandinavian model".
Persecuting and prosecuting men is, indeed, aimed at decreasing the demand. That's also some sort of "model".
Some countries have taken it a step further: it's illegal to buy sex, but not to sell it. That's also the Scandinavian model.
[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5230097]The feminist bullshit that has infested our legal and political systems says that the women are all victims of eeevilll men. So when they catch the girls, they often get sent to rehab of some sort, for drugs, or "rehab" for prostitution. It's called the "Scandinavian model".
Persecuting and prosecuting men is, indeed, aimed at decreasing the demand. That's also some sort of "model".
Some countries have taken it a step further: it's illegal to buy sex, but not to sell it. That's also the Scandinavian model.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism. A bunch of people in our society think sex work is "icky" and that's why they want Dart and other busting hookers and their customers, people can't imagine that anyone could feel differently about than they do and don't want to respect that difference. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults for doing something that harms nobody, go after actual traffickers, and offer consenting hookers protection under the law. It's all politics and PR, which is why Dart always steps up his arrests by a huge amount in election years. It's lazy policing and it harms as many as it helps because hookers can't go to the cops when some asshole beats them up or robs them.
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5230578]I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism.
. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults...
[/QUOTE]I think it's some of each. The "Scandinavian model" definitely comes out of the "Man bad, woman good" mindset of radical feminism. (In fairness, there are feminists who favor legalization. But they don't drive policy in most places.).
But there's a lot of Puritanism or whatever you want to call it, driving the enforcement as well.
And then there's the people living whee it's happening, especially with streetwalkers. I wouldn't want that happening in front of my house. But a mile away? Sure, LOL. Of course, the people living there feel the same way.
Also, agreed on the erroneous conflation of consensual escorting with "trafficking". I think most or nearly all of us here will avoid situations involving pimps or other coercive setups. That shit is disgusting
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5230578]I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism. A bunch of people in our society think sex work is "icky" and that's why they want Dart and other busting hookers and their customers, people can't imagine that anyone could feel differently about than they do and don't want to respect that difference. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults for doing something that harms nobody, go after actual traffickers, and offer consenting hookers protection under the law. It's all politics and PR, which is why Dart always steps up his arrests by a huge amount in election years. It's lazy policing and it harms as many as it helps because hookers can't go to the cops when some asshole beats them up or robs them.[/QUOTE]Consider the towns were AMPs flourish, and what drives that. Or should I say, no one cares. Look at Naperville. That place is loaded with AMPs. It's not a town we would normally associate with the ones that are down on their luck and are willing to let anything exist if it brings in the tax dollars. It very upper middle class. Then there is Spring Grove that just a couple months ago had its one and only AMP shut down. That town is suffering, yet they shut down an AMP you had to look really hard for to find.
And things change. In the 80's if you looked in the Chicago Yellow Pages under Massage, you'd see ads for Tokyo Spa and Osaka Spa, in Michigan City, IN. Nothing erotic listed for Chicago. Now Chicago is loaded.
If I encountered an ongoing sting there is no way I would post it here or anywhere. Obstruction of Justice or "Interfering with a police investigation" by posting it on the internet when the police have my name would not be worth the risk.
[QUOTE=Fdottt;5227127]But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?[/QUOTE].
There's a lot of grey areas on both sides of the argument.
Stings used to almost always target the women, but there was backlash, some of it well thought out, that it was just leading to a bunch of young, poor, addicted women getting saddled with fines they'd never pay and court appearances they'd never make with no effort at all to help them out of their situations. So to make enforcement sound more societally beneficial, the focus shifted to 'end the demand' and shaming men caught trying to hobby. It still didn't do anything to help the women that might want help, but at least stopped portraying them as the criminals. In the last few years, the 'trafficking' angle is almost always used, since that's pretty widely agreed on as a universal evil. But as you already mentioned, its much more likely a girl is being victimized or exploited by a local pimp or 'handler' (or even an agency from some of the posts in those threads) than a 'Law and Order' stereotyped trafficker funneling busloads of underage girls in from other countries.
On our side of things, we do need to stop projecting the image of the nice, independent girl just trying to pay her way through college onto every provider that throws up an ad, because unfortunately the truth behind the scenes is a lot of times much sadder. If we ever want to see this legalized, then both sides need to be there, both the free market and removal of criminalization, and support for low-income, addicted, or exploited girls that want help.
[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5231066]I think it's some of each. The "Scandinavian model" definitely comes out of the "Man bad, woman good" mindset of radical feminism. (In fairness, there are feminists who favor legalization. But they don't drive policy in most places.).
But there's a lot of Puritanism or whatever you want to call it, driving the enforcement as well.
And then there's the people living whee it's happening, especially with streetwalkers. I wouldn't want that happening in front of my house. But a mile away? Sure, LOL. Of course, the people living there feel the same way.
Also, agreed on the erroneous conflation of consensual escorting with "trafficking". I think most or nearly all of us here will avoid situations involving pimps or other coercive setups. That shit is disgusting[/QUOTE]
Yet another tragic report:
[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/first-inaugural-golden-globes-award-for-actor-with-fewest-sex-scandals-goes-unclaimed[/URL]
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[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5232498]Yet another tragic report:
[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/first-inaugural-golden-globes-award-for-actor-with-fewest-sex-scandals-goes-unclaimed[/URL]
/ s.[/QUOTE]Is it just me or does the award look like it could be used as a dildo?
RBD out.
[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5232498]Yet another tragic report:
[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/first-inaugural-golden-globes-award-for-actor-with-fewest-sex-scandals-goes-unclaimed[/URL]
/ s.[/QUOTE]Babylon Bee is similar to The Onion, but not very funny.
[QUOTE=FafaFooey;5232341]There's a lot of grey areas on both sides of the argument.
On our side of things, we do need to stop projecting the image of the nice, independent girl just trying to pay her way through college onto every provider that throws up an ad, because unfortunately the truth behind the scenes is a lot of times much sadder. If we ever want to see this legalized, then both sides need to be there, both the free market and removal of criminalization, and support for low-income, addicted, or exploited girls that want help.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't partake in the lower end of the market. It's rife with this kind of stuff. Guys post reviews of girls passing out during their sessions and other guys want more info. Disgusting.
Decriminalizing prostitution: An idea whose time has come?
[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-prostitution-eliza-orlins-sex-work-decriminalize-chapman-20210305-f6gk7ojz6rgvpjhujrgz26guie-story.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Satriani;5248888]Decriminalizing prostitution: An idea whose time has come?
[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-prostitution-eliza-orlins-sex-work-decriminalize-chapman-20210305-f6gk7ojz6rgvpjhujrgz26guie-story.html[/URL][/QUOTE]He's the house libertarian, so not a big ideological breakthrough.
[QUOTE=Satriani;5248888]Decriminalizing prostitution: An idea whose time has come?
[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-prostitution-eliza-orlins-sex-work-decriminalize-chapman-20210305-f6gk7ojz6rgvpjhujrgz26guie-story.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Those who decide do not anticipate a big increase in revenue, unlike with pot. Moreover, there is an army of watch dogs. Jealous, greedy wives. How can a prosperous politician, good hubby' and daddy explain at how that he voted for permission to purchase a pussy.
I'll bet Prostitution is being considered for legalisation. Most likely it's not the Cash Cow Marijuana is. But it's possibly decent enough for taxation revenue.
[QUOTE=RonM;5249450]I'll bet Prostitution is being considered for legalisation. Most likely it's not the Cash Cow Marijuana is. But it's possibly decent enough for taxation revenue.[/QUOTE]Let's hope, because it will bring some new, better talent and the prices will go down, as well, due to real competition.
[QUOTE=Walker333;5249773]Let's hope, because it will bring some new, better talent and the prices will go down, as well, due to real competition.[/QUOTE]With taxes, licensing fees, and other fees, legal prostitution will be more expensive. I doubt indies and massage parlors will go away.
Marijuana black market is thriving in the legal Marijuana era.
[QUOTE=Satriani;5248888]Decriminalizing prostitution: An idea whose time has come?
[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-prostitution-eliza-orlins-sex-work-decriminalize-chapman-20210305-f6gk7ojz6rgvpjhujrgz26guie-story.html[/URL][/QUOTE]At some point, it needs to be tried in a large city like Chi-Town or NYC or LA where progressives can make it a reality and start turning public opinion like it was turned for legalizing pot.
Very few people in non Bible Belt areas would be opposed to it as long as minimum age of both providers and clients is 21 and written consent is obtained and kept on file.