The Rat Trap

Anyone ever see that Family Guy episode where they parody the Brokeback Mountain movie? Two horses talking to each other at sunrise outside a tent and one wonders why the cowboys aren't up. One horse peers into the the tent and sees one cowboy banging the other in the ass and freaks out? That's pretty much what I feel like every time see the Rat Trap. I like Rat Trap because it moves bullshit off other threads although it drastically inflates post counts about useless shit so more due diligence is needed when you get PM's from strangers and can't rely on post count alone but need to review their post history. Used to be 75 posts was pretty cool and meant many months if not a year to get, but now that can be reached in weeks and maybe full of bullshit. Guess there is a happy medium there somewhere, and it's definitely cool that the Rat Trap is getting the endless bitching off the other threads and back to more of their intended purpose, but as always it's hard to balance the ying and the yang.

[QUOTE=RickyJames1;2225575]Anyone ever see that Family Guy episode where they parody the Brokeback Mountain movie? Two horses talking to each other at sunrise outside a tent and one wonders why the cowboys aren't up. One horse peers into the the tent and sees one cowboy banging the other in the ass and freaks out? That's pretty much what I feel like every time see the Rat Trap. I like Rat Trap because it moves bullshit off other threads although it drastically inflates post counts about useless shit so more due diligence is needed when you get PM's from strangers and can't rely on post count alone but need to review their post history. Used to be 75 posts was pretty cool and meant many months if not a year to get, but now that can be reached in weeks and maybe full of bullshit. Guess there is a happy medium there somewhere, and it's definitely cool that the Rat Trap is getting the endless bitching off the other threads and back to more of their intended purpose, but as always it's hard to balance the ying and the yang.[/QUOTE]It use to be mongers increasing post counts by piggy backing off someone else's post. Now most counts are on the rise more from bickering than actually reporting pussy. If it wasn't more work for A2, I would like to see a post count only increase if a monger is reporting a dream. If it isn't a dream involved or directly related to info about pussy then the post count shouldn't increase. Still, if the need arises to call out a monger, do so but the post count should not increase. Quantity of post counts don't mean shit when you talking about bull shit. Quality should be what counts which is what I use to base whether or not a monger is considered, "trusted".

Just my. 02.

BG111.

[QUOTE=LuvInIt007;2225398]Hey I have great idea lets start a thread called "positive escort reviews" it would have all positive reviews that all can read. Would that be of help? Come on man! RTFF just like everyone else has. If you don't have the time to read and contribute you are in the wrong place and you will probably get something your not asking for. Knowledge is power and there is a wealth of info here you just have to read it. Just my 2 common sense.[/QUOTE]Great Idea, lets think about that for a second. There are over 6000 posts in that section, if on average each post takes 30 seconds to read it would take over 50 continuous hours of reading to get through it all. Maybe you have time for that but as a self employed small business owner I don't. On the car sites I frequent we have a top 20 1/4 mile thread and HP thread, why not have something like that with a voter link. Could be very helpful, but I understand. No point in making suggestions and evolving the forum to better the community.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2225620]It use to be mongers increasing post counts by piggy backing off someone else's post.
BG111.[/QUOTE]Similar to this?

DIO.

[QUOTE=Swaganna;2225213]ET is not being a poser or troll. He provides knowledge and safety tips as well as educates us with the different laws. There are many ways to be a contributing member of this forum Sir.

Swaganna.[/QUOTE]I had not thought of it that way. To me, the info he posts is common sense and if you read back through the years you will see the legal and safety issues have been discussed at great length and these are just re-posts of other posts, but from time to time it is good to be reminded of certain things. It is just hard for me to understand why a guy with no interest in the women of Orlando would write almost 1,000 posts in this forum. Maybe its just me, but I find that a little creepy and along with his condescending attitude, that makes him a shady character. Your post is a refreshing alternate POV from my own and it could be that some find value in his posts.

[QUOTE=JitsuPlayer71;2225646]Great Idea, lets think about that for a second. There are over 6000 posts in that section, if on average each post takes 30 seconds to read it would take over 50 continuous hours of reading to get through it all. Maybe you have time for that but as a self employed small business owner I don't. On the car sites I frequent we have a top 20 1/4 mile thread and HP thread, why not have something like that with a voter link. Could be very helpful, but I understand. No point in making suggestions and evolving the forum to better the community.[/QUOTE]


Not trying to be nasty to you, Just telling you like it is. Most of the seniors on this forum require that you have some good legit reviews posted and that you read for information other wise the seniors are not going to constantly be answering your questions and giving you info on providers in return because you do not have time to read & post reviews. It's a trade off for intel that's the way it works. So if you are not willing to take the time to do this and you still want some pussy then your choices are to go to the classifieds section and pick a girl from there or go down on the trail and pickup a girls there. As long as you understand this then everything will be good.

Bottoms Up! & Having Fun!

Jazak.

[QUOTE=JitsuPlayer71;2225646]Great Idea, lets think about that for a second. There are over 6000 posts in that section, if on average each post takes 30 seconds to read it would take over 50 continuous hours of reading to get through it all. Maybe you have time for that but as a self employed small business owner I don't. On the car sites I frequent we have a top 20 1/4 mile thread and HP thread, why not have something like that with a voter link. Could be very helpful, but I understand. No point in making suggestions and evolving the forum to better the community.[/QUOTE]Do you know what it takes to be a hobbyist? It takes more than just paying for a dream. You have to do more research than dreaming. This is why SM keep telling you to RTFF. It is not meant to be an azzhole. The info has been put out there for your safety to keep you out of silver bracelets, beat down or killed by management, or things to teach you about this lifestyle. If you do not have time to RTFF you are not going to last on this board or in this lifestyle. WE have done so much collectively on this board, spent countless hours researching, and spent a ton of money dreaming. The least you can do is RTFF.

I go back and read the post from new guys who have now recently become SM recently. Do this, go back and research the posts of "makinhersquirt". This guy didn't come on this board with his hand out asking for info. However many times he has posted, 98% of his post are about dreams. He has hit the ground hard and running. His method of research is astounding. Some of his selections you may not personally like but he is dreaming and reporting more than anyone right now. Get some advice from him. Learn some techniques and it will keep you safe and I think the quickest way to earn some respect and trust from us. Like the great C3 said, "how do we know you aren't dipping your powdered covered donuts in coffee while reading our advice. ".

Until you contribute something other than excuses for not reading the fucking forum I personally will not acknowledge nothing you have to say. Not being a dick but that's how it goes around here.

Good luck,

Just my. 02.

BG111.

Perhaps A2 could modify the "Add a Report" tab to have two options, "Add a Review" or "Add a Comment". That way each member would have both a "reviews count" and a "comments count". As a group we can monitor / flag whether a post is really a review or just a comment or some other bs. If we did that you could better note which members actually contribute reviews. Understood that some comments are very useful, especially to newbies but everyone needs to ante up every once in a while. Just my 2 cents.

Don't get me wrong, I know there is value in the forums, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I don't think having a list like the one I suggested would take any value away from the forums, but only add to it.

[QUOTE=Otwist;2225800]I had not thought of it that way. To me, the info he posts is common sense and if you read back through the years you will see the legal and safety issues have been discussed at great length and these are just re-posts of other posts, but from time to time it is good to be reminded of certain things. It is just hard for me to understand why a guy with no interest in the women of Orlando would write almost 1,000 posts in this forum. Maybe its just me, but I find that a little creepy and along with his condescending attitude, that makes him a shady character. Your post is a refreshing alternate POV from my own and it could be that some find value in his posts.[/QUOTE]Otwist, I not only enjoy the providers I meet from this forum but I also enjoy talking on here with other mongers and providers. It's not all fun, but It's not always just about the pussy either.

[QUOTE=Jazak;2226013]Otwist, I not only enjoy the providers I meet from this forum but I also enjoy talking on here with other mongers and providers. It's not all fun, but It's not always just about the pussy either.[/QUOTE]I also PM with certain other mongers, but have no desire to meet them in person. Sometimes I PM with ladies I have not seen, and we share opinions on various topics. However, if I did not visit any ladies in Orlando, then I would not read or be a member of this forum. Why would I want to? I understand that others have different ways of doing things, but I kind of agree more with Quillino, in that you have to ante up once in a while. See a lady in the area and share the info on the board of your own personal experience. You and I both do that and so do most of the mongers on here. ET has almost 1,000 posts and has not ever contributed that kind of personal review intel. To me that seems very odd, but Savanna made a good point that some might consider his general info valuable. I guess we could think of ET a bit like Constant Blue, who does not hobby either.

[QUOTE=JitsuPlayer71;2225646]Great Idea, lets think about that for a second. There are over 6000 posts in that section, if on average each post takes 30 seconds to read it would take over 50 continuous hours of reading to get through it all. Maybe you have time for that but as a self employed small business owner I don't. On the car sites I frequent we have a top 20 1/4 mile thread and HP thread, why not have something like that with a voter link. Could be very helpful, but I understand. No point in making suggestions and evolving the forum to better the community.[/QUOTE]Everyone has a different top 20 so that's why read the forum find a monger that has the same taste as yours I. E. Spinner, curvy, black, white, latin, fetish, donation, easy of access, location, blonde, brunette, red, bald, hairy need I say more. It's really not that time consuming because some of these girls come and go within months so your freshest reviews are one of the better sources. There are only a handful that advertise here and to my experience they are legit. My ATF is not everyone's ATF. Happy hunting.

You were married to my second wife?

C3.

[QUOTE=Swaganna;2226418]I was married to king of douchebags for 13 years,

Swaganna.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JitsuPlayer71;2225965]Don't get me wrong, I know there is value in the forums, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I don't think having a list like the one I suggested would take any value away from the forums, but only add to it.[/QUOTE]There might be a list made of the top 10 or 20 but there want be any digits, links or info with it. So you better start taking the time to read and post reviews if you want the intel from other seniors.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2226512]You were married to my second wife?

C3.[/QUOTE]C3, your always make me laugh.

[QUOTE=Quilino;2225916]Perhaps A2 could modify the "Add a Report" tab to have two options, "Add a Review" or "Add a Comment". That way each member would have both a "reviews count" and a "comments count". As a group we can monitor / flag whether a post is really a review or just a comment or some other bs. If we did that you could better note which members actually contribute reviews. Understood that some comments are very useful, especially to newbies but everyone needs to ante up every once in a while. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]The only problem with this idea is everyone would have to start over at zero with their counts because I'm fairly sure A-2 is not going to go through every members post to see how many reviews & comments they did and recalculate them all. That would take years to figure out.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2225620]It use to be mongers increasing post counts by piggy backing off someone else's post. Now most counts are on the rise more from bickering than actually reporting pussy. If it wasn't more work for A2, I would like to see a post count only increase if a monger is reporting a dream. If it isn't a dream involved or directly related to info about pussy then the post count shouldn't increase. Still, if the need arises to call out a monger, do so but the post count should not increase. Quantity of post counts don't mean shit when you talking about bull shit. Quality should be what counts which is what I use to base whether or not a monger is considered, "trusted".

Just my. 02.

BG111.[/QUOTE]I often find myself screening a hobbyist posts to see what other providers he has seen and most of the time they are just commenting on other comments and have never really seen or at least reported a provider that I might be able to count on for a reference.

Xoxo.

Sophia.

[QUOTE=Jazak;2226522]The only problem with this idea is everyone would have to start over at zero with their counts because I'm fairly sure A-2 is not going to go through every members post to see how many reviews & comments they did and recalculate them all. That would take years to figure out.[/QUOTE]True. It would be like giving the forum a fresh start for everyone. Kind of drastic, but going forward you would have a better sense as to who's who.

Also agree that no way A2 would go through old posts. You could just keep the total post count going for whatever that's worth. The new review vs comment posts counts would start as of a specific date.

It would be interesting to see what Admin / A2's thoughts are on this. I'm sure that cost, server issues and member reaction (particularly from old timers) would greatly impact any change.

Everyone doing his job. But he doesn't have to promote someone to SM just because they have a certain post count. He can in effect do it by waiting until they have realistic count before promoting to SM. Of course we might have a few regular members with 100 post count. LOL.

[QUOTE=Quilino;2226729]True. It would be like giving the forum a fresh start for everyone. Kind of drastic, but going forward you would have a better sense as to who's who.

Also agree that no way A2 would go through old posts. You could just keep the total post count going for whatever that's worth. The new review vs comment posts counts would start as of a specific date.

It would be interesting to see what Admin / A2's thoughts are on this. I'm sure that cost, server issues and member reaction (particularly from old timers) would greatly impact any change.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that just because a member post a review does not mean it is legit or worth a shit. We have that problem a little now members posting fake reviews just to get their count up so they can become seniors. I personally think the forum should stay just the way it is. If a member does not have the time to go through and read all the reviews and decide for himself what is legit and what is crap then he probably is not going to take the time to post a good legit review in the first place. I think A2 does a fairly good job of deciding who gets to become a senior.

[QUOTE=Jazak;2226925]Keep in mind that just because a member post a review does not mean it is legit or worth a shit. We have that problem a little now members posting fake reviews just to get their count up so they can become seniors. I personally think the forum should stay just the way it is. If a member does not have the time to go through and read all the reviews and decide for himself what is legit and what is crap then he probably is not going to take the time to post a good legit review in the first place. I think A2 does a fairly good job of deciding who gets to become a senior.[/QUOTE]I personally don't give a crap about the process in becoming a senior. I'm more concerned with the quality of post from a member being senior or regular. I will share info with a contributing legitimate regular as well as a solid proven senior. At this point I don't trust easily at all whether it be senior or regular.

My. 02.

BG111.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2226935]I personally don't give a crap about the process in becoming a senior. I'm more concerned with the quality of post from a member being senior or regular. I will share info with a contributing legitimate regular as well as a solid proven senior. At this point I don't trust easily at all whether it be senior or regular.

My. 02.

BG111.[/QUOTE]Being a senior means nothing to me. There are members I trust here and those I do not. There are seniors on this board that are LEO? That is my opinion. I never trust any member who is asking about an AMP or provider. Go and find out yourself. Is this not the reason we are in this hobby? The element of surprise. I have always followed that policy. You have to use the PM CAREFULLY also. For all you know, you are sending a PM to LEO. Let's face it, this board isnot private. You can tell who is legit by the postings. Just my two cents!

In my opinion it's pretty easy to tell who's legit and who is not in regards to posts. But I'm sure a good percentage of all these new guys and some SM's are LEO. Some people on here don't like me but I've never asked for Intel and have provided many legit reviews. I've seen several girls on here as well. Savanna, Michele and a couple other that wish to remain unknown. So I'm skeptical of new folks excessively asking for Intel or posting their ideas on how to make the forum better like this jitsuplayer. From your username I would assume you study BJJ or MMA. What school here in town? I'm a BJJ black belt so if you train in town I'm sure I know you? And he may be legit but seems questionable.

But I know who I can surely trust on here and some of them are ones I've had differences with like: buffguy, veryslowly, pharmaguy, camera and many others.

So there is a wealth of information here that was obtained by many others through hard work and a ton of money and I for one appreciate it.

KC.

Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.

[QUOTE=SexySophia;2226553]I often find myself screening a hobbyist posts to see what other providers he has seen and most of the time they are just commenting on other comments and have never really seen or at least reported a provider that I might be able to count on for a reference.

Xoxo.

Sophia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickyJames1;2227042]Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.[/QUOTE]Ricky, I usually don't get into the drama on this post but I have to call you out on this one. I do not believe that a SW is the same as some of the girls on this board, TER or the Naughty site. I would hope that all girls that post here would screen handles to know what there next date is up to. I sure as hell won't see a provider that you have seen, now. If you want to roam the trail and pick up some chicken head that just finished sharing nettles with her junkie friends for a $25 BBBJ fine. But don't then try and take your diseased prick and set up a date with Paige or Jade or Melissa or any other girl that posts here and spread your germs.

There are plenty of girls here that don't plan on making this a life. They are working through tough times. A this goes for any of the mongers that post on the SW thread, stay on the street and don't make this hobby any riskier that it already is.

I have no problem sharing my handle with a new provider and please take a look at my posts and see where I've been. Because that is what I do when I plan on seeing a new provider. I do the same thing on TER, I check the reviews because it has been known for LE to post an add and a fake review in an attempt to snag mongers. Also, it is a great tool to protect yourself. I once saw a monger on TER post about a provider that I was planning on seeing and in his review history it was a mix of female provides and trannies.

Be safe out there.

Not necessarily the SW thing but what type of practices they do with the SW. I don't knock anyone, but you have to admit even though you may be dreaming with a SW or Escort the SW game is much more risky for a million reasons. The SW usually charge less so they are seeing more clients to make the money, therefore higher risk. It is no secret that SW are mostly on the street meds, sometimes which lowers inhibitions to do riskier practices during dreams for that money. Also IV drug use is high amongst SW, theerfore high risk.

So yes the higher risks involved may make some providers not want to see some of the mongers that frequent SW, and it is about safety. It isn't a deal breaker for me but I want do like to see what type of SW they have reviewed and what happens in the dreams to see hoe safe they are. IDC aint no mario coin worth my life or getting something that doesn't go away.

I go to OBT sometimes and talk to these girls and even take food or clothing down to the ones living on the street. I am not knocking them at all. I feel for them, its a dangerous hobby as it is but they are out there on the streets, living off the streets, trying to survive, walking the roughest parts off Orlando. But at the same time if I was a man I wouldn't be picking most of them up to dream with cause it is so risky.

You mention blackmail to married men. I do not think that any advertiser on here is on that type shit. Also by knowing your handle is that going to be the clincher? If blackmail is the driving force behind a meeting I think pics, audio or video would be that. The last piece of evidence would be your usasg handle. That a whole new ball game just trying to prove who the handle is.

It is to each their own. But I think it is very important to know ones handle to see their posts and feel them out. This is part of the reason there is a forum, safety.

Everyone stay safe.

Xoxo.

Paige

[QUOTE=RickyJames1;2227042]Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.[/QUOTE].

So I have noticed that there has been some talk on here about the oThER site vs usasg.

Personally I prefer here to interact because it is a more open forum. There has never been a review posted on here that I question like, Have I seen that guy? Or details not been correct. There isn't much to gain by posting fake reviews on here other than being called out and credibility lost. The only downfall to usasg is that the reviews don't come by googling a providers phone number as with the OthER site. But then again that costs money and this is a free forum.

There are some reviews on the oThER site that I have questioned because the details where def not what I do or just didn't seem right. They were positive reviews but I read them and I am like I have never in my life done so and so, and not saying it is something nasty or gross just out of my character to do. T E are is a pay site, guys get free month or something for doing so many reviews. I am not sure of specifics but that is the jist of it. I think alot of guys just write reviews on there to keep there membership free or fee to a minimum.

So this I ask to you mongers, do you prefer to see girl with a lot fews or just a few?

Then of late I see that has been said about girls giving freebies for a good review. I find this ridiculous. Personally I am in this for profit not charity. What do well known regarded providers have to gain really by giving away goodies for a review? Once a girl is reviewed and respected her rep stays good unless she falls off for some reason and then it hard to gain that rep back. It is not anout how many reviews one has, it is more about what her reputation is. What do you guys think about this? Do you think it is a common practice?

I just like to hear others viewpoints sometimes.

Stay safe, Our forum here is a great virtual community, you guys are the best.

Xoxo.

Paige.

[QUOTE=OrlandoJ;2227338]Ricky, I usually don't get into the drama on this post but I have to call you out on this one. I do not believe that a SW is the same as some of the girls on this board, TER or the Naughty site. I would hope that all girls that post here would screen handles to know what there next date is up to. I sure as hell won't see a provider that you have seen, now. If you want to roam the trail and pick up some chicken head that just finished sharing nettles with her junkie friends for a $25 BBBJ fine. But don't then try and take your diseased prick and set up a date with Paige or Jade or Melissa or any other girl that posts here and spread your germs.

There are plenty of girls here that don't plan on making this a life. They are working through tough times. A this goes for any of the mongers that post on the SW thread, stay on the street and don't make this hobby any riskier that it already is.

I have no problem sharing my handle with a new provider and please take a look at my posts and see where I've been. Because that is what I do when I plan on seeing a new provider. I do the same thing on TER, I check the reviews because it has been known for LE to post an add and a fake review in an attempt to snag mongers. Also, it is a great tool to protect yourself. I once saw a monger on TER post about a provider that I was planning on seeing and in his review history it was a mix of female provides and trannies.

Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that a SW and a Escort are totally different things. There is even a divide amongst different level escorts (see Wolf of Wall street) HOWEVER saying you wouldn't see a provider that someone who has seen a SW or how can someone see a SW then go see Paige or whoever. That's ludicrous my friend. First off if you bang a SW or escort bare back them your an idiot. Condom protected sex is 100% safe in terms of STDs including HIV. Never had a documented transmission occurred via that route. And yes sometimes a break occurs or whatever but that's rare. Receiving oral sex without a condom is also no risk and no cases have been documented via that route. So what's your issue? If your barebacking SW's in the ass then sharing heroin needles with them then it may be a problem. If not there is no difference from a SW, a Escort, a stripper or the sexy MILF neighbor of mine who is married to a Doctor, has several kids in private school and who I fuck from time to time while her husband makes money for her to blow.

Also don't assume that some of the escorts you see have not walked the streets in the past either here in Orlando or another city like let's say New York or Baltimore. As a matter of fact I know one that has. I wouldn't call her out but just something to think about.

KC.

[QUOTE=KingCasanova;2227793]I agree with you that a SW and a Escort are totally different things. There is even a divide amongst different level escorts (see Wolf of Wall street) HOWEVER saying you wouldn't see a provider that someone who has seen a SW or how can someone see a SW then go see Paige or whoever. That's ludicrous my friend. First off if you bang a SW or escort bare back them your an idiot. Condom protected sex is 100% safe in terms of STDs including HIV. Never had a documented transmission occurred via that route. And yes sometimes a break occurs or whatever but that's rare. Receiving oral sex without a condom is also no risk and no cases have been documented via that route. So what's your issue? If your barebacking SW's in the ass then sharing heroin needles with them then it may be a problem. If not there is no difference from a SW, a Escort, a stripper or the sexy MILF neighbor of mine who is married to a Doctor, has several kids in private school and who I fuck from time to time while her husband makes money for her to blow.

Also don't assume that some of the escorts you see have not walked the streets in the past either here in Orlando or another city like let's say New York or Baltimore. As a matter of fact I know one that has. I wouldn't call her out but just something to think about.

KC.[/QUOTE]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]He insists upon oral without a condom. Otherwise, according to him, a woman does not offer a GFE.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]Look at Dr. HHH forum on Medhelp. It's the definitive forum on STD / HIV prevention. And he is the utmost authority on the subject.

I'll post an example below. But it's cut and dry. Any articles that state otherwise are from people with other agendas.

Very worry about HIV exposure.

By Patrick1984, May 25,2014.

Dear Drs Hooks and Handsfield.

It's been 8 weeks since my possible HIV exposure and I have been living in a fear for at least 5 weeks, my life is suffering and hopeless, so I really really need your help! I had a trip to Shanghai, China last month and in there I had an unprotected oral sex with a street worker, she gave me a blow job and I had ejaculation in her mouth (I think the total time my penis in her mouth was less than 2 minutes) but I think she split it (my semen) out right after I did that. Her HIV status was unknown. Then the next day I had a protected vaginal sex with a street worker (she requested to use condom otherwise she wouldn't do it, but her HIV status was unknown also) and I had ejaculation inside her (inside condom actually), but couldn't recall if the condom was broken but I remembered she removed the condom after I pulled out from her and she wiped out the semen on my penis by tissue, I asked her if my semen leaked insider her vaginal (I tried to make sure if the condom was not broken) and she said no. The total time was about 5 minutes. That's all the sexual deals I had, but after those sexual deals I began to have some symptoms such as: Sore Throat (gone in 2 weeks), Body ache (most on my arms, shoulders and back), Swollen lymph gland (I am not really sure about this but whenever I touch my neck, I can feel there is a small bump on the neck and a little bit hurt when touch, also include swallowing but gone in 4 days), Diarrhea (on week 7 after those sexual deals, but only last for 3 days), Skin rash (on week 7 after those sexual deals, small red dots are flat appear on my chest, shoulders and back, not itchy and not a lot actually). But I never have fever and headache at all.

Now my questions are: what is the risk or chance that I could be infected by HIV and do I need to do a HIV test? I am very scared now and my life is totally ruined, so your help is really matter to me! Please help me! Much appreciate!

Best.

Patrick.

Answer:

By Edward W Hook, MD, May 25,2014.

Welcome to the Forum. The exposures you describe did not put you at risk for HIV. No one has ever been shown to acquire HIV from receipt of oral sex and condom protected sex is safe sex. Thus, even if your partner had HIV, there was no risk for infection from the activities that you describe.

The symptoms you describe are some of those which are seen in persons who have recently acquired HIV however these are common symptoms with many causes. When persons have typical symptoms such as yours, less than 1% turn out to have HIV. Given the nature of your exposure, I would not worry.

To address your concerns, I would suggest that you have an HIV test using a 4th generation test for HIV. I suggest this not because I think you have HIV but because I think the assurance of a negative test at this time will help your anxiety. If you had acquired HIV at the time you mention, your test would be positive at this time.

I hope these comments are helpful to you. EWH.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]If you find a documented case of HIV acquires through receiving oral I and every expert in the world would love to see it. I did my PHD thesis on the subject so I'm always interested.

To piggy back on this as well.

* the likelihood of a man acquiring HIV from a one time unprotected vaginal sex encounter is 1 in 2000. So that's like having unprotected sex everyday with a HIV infected person for over 5 years before you can expect to get it. That's why one off heterosexual HIV cases are very rare. Most infections are from married men of HIV infected woman acquiring it over long period of time.

* the odds any woman in the US is HIV positive is less than 1%. Sex workers are no different and sometimes even lower due to their level of education on the matter and consistent use of condoms for vaginal or anal intercourse.

* add the acquisition odds mixed with the odds that any one woman is HIV positive mixed with the likelihood she seroconverting the odds of transmission from a woman to a man during a one time unprotected vaginal sex episode is about 1 in 100,000. The risk of getting struck by lightening is 1 in 17,000.

Of course knowing all this I wouldn't have unprotected vaginal sex with a sex worker or any other girl I'm not in a committed relationship with. I've had sex with well over 1,000 woman and unprotected sex with only 5 . 2 of them wives. So I'm very safe. But these are the true odds. Heterosexual HIV cases are not uncommon but most of them are from woman acquiring it from her man who is also engaged in homosexual sexy or intravenous drug use or men acquiring in from years of sleeping with a infected partner without knowing.

KC.