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[QUOTE=TMeister;2860442]I know all about the SCVP. The bottom line is that whoever Heidi's handler is should not have deceived me regarding her porn clip. Why not just be professional and text me saying something like -- "Oh, this is not Heidi but I handle her affairs but I will pass on your compliments about her adult video to her. Thanks for watching it. Now would you like to schedule with Heidi?

But instead I get some teasing texts like "Glad you liked my porn" and "Yes, it was fun making it" and then a couple minutes later "I can't see you now because you keep talking about my porn video".

I mean really -- is that a nice way to treat a respected senior like me? These girls got to learn how to play this game the right way or it will cost them a lot of dreams.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to get into the particulars of the texts, yes I know about them, that were traded back and forth between the screener and yourself. Wow a screener who is trying to pretend to be the provider so you think you are talking to her and not a screener. This is a whole new concept in the business, a revolution in modern technology! Get over the fact that some providers have screeners, very good ones, that insure the safety of the provider and the monger as well. Sure she should have said "This is not Heidi", are you nutts? She is Heidi to all who contact her and you may not like it but once again it's a fact of the business.

If, and you did, text inappropriate dialogue to any provider / screener and they ask you to stop it [B]TWICE[/B] and you continue on then it is considered two things.

1. Dangerous because the explicit texts can be used in a court of law as evidence. You don't know her and she doesn't know you and her safety at that point is the most important thing, at least to her it is.

2. Sexting or erotic phone type sex, especially when one says "It's ok you don't want to see me now because I just came from watching your porn movie and texting with you". Now this is not the ACTUAL text but a very accurate interpretation of it.

Hmmmmm this is so respectful, isn't it? Respect goes both ways, your respect is now lost, as is future visits with many providers. Don't blame me, I didn't choose to send those texts, neither did she! Choice and respect is so key in this biz. And it's an important part of humanity.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2860623]I was just about to write something on that subject and you beat me to it. I'll write it anyway.

Imagine you have a hot, single neighbor. One night you look out your window and she's doing every position with some guy, and she left the drapes open. If you go over the next day and tell her what you saw she'll probably be pissed. Not only will you never get the free show again, but you'll never have the chance to be the star. However, if you keep your mouth shut and treat her right, a few months down the road you might be laughing about it with her.

If a provider has made porn, unless she brings it up, don't mention it. She may be embarrassed, she may be mad because she got cheated on the deal, or she may feel you will have unreasonable expectations.

If a provider doesn't want to see you because you mentioned seeing her porn, try to understand it from her view. It's something that makes her uncomfortable and if she's not comfortable, don't expect a session.[/QUOTE]I'm going the other direction on the porn thing here. If she's done movies she knows are easily available and her presence here was originally touted partly because she's done porn and we could see what she's like, then it doesn't seem to me like she should be pissed if a goofy dude says something about it. If he goes on and on about services and gets graphic then yeah, but "hey, that porn you did is really hot. I'd love to see you and recreate some of that" is hardly offensive stuff.

Our past is our past. We can fight everyone that mentions it, or we can grin and bear it since we can't change it now.

Edit - saw FF's post now. Yeah, if you're going to be graphic and incessant about it you're going to get kicked to the curb. Learn the definition of "discreet".

I thought the provider suggestions thread on NR way back when was useful, but there were a lot more providers that were in those discussion forums so the information could have an effect on a lot more people. We seem to have a much smaller group of ladies here, so while information could always potentially benefit them it'd be a lot of pontificating to a very, very small audience. And really the people that need to be affected the most would never be here to read it.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2861329]Hmmmmm this is so respectful, isn't it? Respect goes both ways, your respect is now lost, as is future visits with many providers. Don't blame me, I didn't choose to send those texts, neither did she! Choice and respect is so key in this biz. And it's an important part of humanity.[/QUOTE]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know. But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. [B]I am more powerful in this hobby than you know.[/B] But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]Providers read the forum hon and they talk to each other. Your attitude is pretty distasteful. You should meet IndyAnon. He's real popular on here as well.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2860442] I mean really -- is that a nice way to treat a respected senior like me? These girls got to learn how to play this game the right way or it will cost them a lot of dreams.[/QUOTE]Being a senior member doesn't mean you are respected, just that you posted a designated number of posts. And "these girls got to learn how to play this game" Really dude?

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know. But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]With all the porn texting, she ended it. Even after she verified you, you still continued on with the porn stuff, after she asked you twice to stop it. I don't give a shit what you text, tell or do with a provider, that's up to you and her. I only care when a providers safety is at risk. She felt hers was. I care if your safety is at risk and would warn you or any other monger to that affect. My points are:

Some providers have "handlers" / screeners, some will tell mongers they are screeners, some don't, it's their choice. This is a business reality, not a fantasy.

Providers talk to each other and warn about inappropriate behavior and dialogue. It's a mongers choice to continue on with it when asked to stop. It's their choice not to see you and to block you from anyone they screen for and to tell any other screeners or providers what they think about a mongers inappropriate dialogue or behavior.

As far as future providers, I'm not a pimp so I have no control over what they do, but the word on the street, at least with some providers, is good luck! It's possible an apology might be appropriate and help you in the future. That is your choice.

[QUOTE=Mwdude;2861334]I'm going the other direction on the porn thing here. If she's done movies she knows are easily available and her presence here was originally touted partly because she's done porn and we could see what she's like, then it doesn't seem to me like she should be pissed if a goofy dude says something about it. If he goes on and on about services and gets graphic then yeah, but "hey, that porn you did is really hot. I'd love to see you and recreate some of that" is hardly offensive stuff.

Our past is our past. We can fight everyone that mentions it, or we can grin and bear it since we can't change it now.

Edit - saw FF's post now. Yeah, if you're going to be graphic and incessant about it you're going to get kicked to the curb. Learn the definition of "discreet".[/QUOTE]The trouble with the whole porn issue is complicated. First, a lot of the women in porn are lied to and cheated. The producer keeps all the money and the fine print makes it legal. This leaves the porn as a touchy subject for many.

Probably the biggest problem is, porn creates unrealistic expectations. How often has your new, stunning neighbor knocked on your door to ask a simple question and then you end up fucking her and her roommate 5 minutes later? How many non-providers have insisted you COF?

After reading FF's report, it would appear that unrealistic expectations are the heart of the problem. The guy apparently was treating her like a porn star that he was directing, instead of a woman he wanted to know better.

Once again, unless a woman brings something up, you didn't see, you don't know.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know. But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]Any provider has the right to not tell a new customer they use a screener. There are good reasons for this. Some customers will freak out when they find out a third person has their information. Other customers will bail because they are paranoid about being robbed by a pimp. Still others are offended that the provider isn't answering her own phone.

Insisting the screener identify themselves as such is unrealistic and just a bit immature.

If, as FF stated, you went beyond a simple "I liked the video", you were out of line. Especially if you specifically and explicitly discussed content of the video. That's way out of bounds.

If you ever find yourself face 2 face with a provider who has done porn, and who has already directed you to some of her work, and she asks you what you liked best, then is the time to discuss the porn with her.

Otherwise treat it like that single black hair you noticed growing out of the mole on her ass, pretend you never saw it.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2857029] "Do you know the difference between CIM and a diamond ring?" When she says "No" tell her, "Here's your diamond ring. ".[/QUOTE]Reminds me of my favorite pickup line from the old days. I'd find the drunk hot girl and ask:

"Do you know the difference between a hamburger and a blow job?

"No".

"Ready to go to dinner?

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. [/QUOTE]Anybody else laughing at this? Very few people (if any) here are more qualified to give advice and critique than the recently retired FF. In fact, if we applied the rules like pro sports do, FF would go into the Monger Hall of Fame in five years.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know. But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]Do we need to have a roast for FF because guys sure love doing it here.

Who gives a flying shit if you're "powerful" in this hobby. Are you powerful enough.

To not screw up a simple screening? Evidently not. These guys are trying to give advice.

But you can't handle it.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?

I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know. But keep acting tough if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]Dude, are you a Jedi Knight? I've always wanted to meet a Jedi. Can you make providers levitate by raising your hand? That'd be soooooo cool. Have her levitate right over to your chair and sit on your lap. Man, what would you call that move?? The Leia Skywalker?? The rest of us mere mortals would need to put the guide wires up like in movies to pull that off.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2861428]The trouble with the whole porn issue is complicated. First, a lot of the women in porn are lied to and cheated. The producer keeps all the money and the fine print makes it legal. This leaves the porn as a touchy subject for many. [/QUOTE]I can understand that, but we've all made bad decisions or been taking advantage of. But again, it's her decision who she wants to see and why or why not. And again, she was presented on this board as having done porn from the first notes about her, so that may have been the mistake.

[QUOTE]Probably the biggest problem is, porn creates unrealistic expectations. How often has your new, stunning neighbor knocked on your door to ask a simple question and then you end up fucking her and her roommate 5 minutes later? How many non-providers have insisted you COF?[/QUOTE]Oh, I get this all the time because of how powerful I am in the hobby. When I was delivering pizzas you'd be amazed how every other house had hot sorority chicks inviting me in to bang them. It got irritating, actually. It's a lot of pressure to have to cum on everyone's face. What happens if it doesn't shoot out and it just dribbles out? Now it's either on my shoe or in her carpet. Either way it's going to be deep cleaning.

[QUOTE]After reading FF's report, it would appear that unrealistic expectations are the heart of the problem. The guy apparently was treating her like a porn star that he was directing, instead of a woman he wanted to know better.

Once again, unless a woman brings something up, you didn't see, you don't know.[/QUOTE]There are ways to handle it, and going into detail about what you want to do to a provider is not the way whether she's done a porn video or not. I haven't talked to a provider yet that LOVES a whole bunch of dirty talk when making an appt. That stuff is marketing at best to most of them.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2861449]Any provider has the right to not tell a new customer they use a screener. There are good reasons for this. Some customers will freak out when they find out a third person has their information. Other customers will bail because they are paranoid about being robbed by a pimp. Still others are offended that the provider isn't answering her own phone.

Insisting the screener identify themselves as such is unrealistic and just a bit immature.

If, as FF stated, you went beyond a simple "I liked the video", you were out of line. Especially if you specifically and explicitly discussed content of the video. That's way out of bounds.

If you ever find yourself face 2 face with a provider who has done porn, and who has already directed you to some of her work, and she asks you what you liked best, then is the time to discuss the porn with her.

Otherwise treat it like that single black hair you noticed growing out of the mole on her ass, pretend you never saw it.[/QUOTE]Exactly. As "discreet " as this is suppose to be I am sorry why would a screening need to tell you hey I am a screening service? That's what providers pay for. To have someone screen and ensure they are safe. So I am not sure how disrespectful that truly is and jjbee62 is correct. Why put fuel to the fire and where is it in the provider guide 101 that they identify themselves as a screener? Listen Tmeister not to be rude or anything but instead of making the excuses just honestly let it go. You were wrong. If it was told once, twice, three times to you that it was making someone uncomfortable then gee I don't know I would of stopped. That's respectful. I will tell you right now that it's uncomfortable and we are not here to have sexting conversations. When that happens on my end I don't respond and I will cancel the appointment. Just because someone has done porn or is in this "lifestyle " doesn't give you the right to be rude no offense but there is a line. Be respectful and listen to what the other members are telling you instead of getting defensive about it. Also, the comment of " your more powerful BS " again no offense BUT not a good move. We are ALL here for one thing or another right? You just need to be reminded that regardless if a provider has done porn, has walked the streets, is in a AMP, or does Incall / Outcall that we still are human beings that deserve respect. I'm sure you would not go up to a perfect stranger in a bar setting and say " hey nice tits and ass want to get together " or if you have how many times have you been smacked? So not sure why you totally would ignore a provider or screening service saying " your making them uncomfortable and still contunied being ruder than what you were?? Same with the members of this forum. We can agree to disagree but seriously disrespecting other members is not going to get you far regardless of " how powerful " you may think you are honey your not The great and powerful Oz. Mean no disrespect but no matter how many times you try to defend your actions at the end of the day you were wrong and the provider didn't do anything wrong here. We have things called red flags. Mutual respect? Ummm did you really say that? Wrong choice of words my friend. Wrong choice of word. Goes both ways.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]You don't seem very smart. You keep forgetting that Heidi's "handler" was intentionally deceiving me by texting me about her porn clip. Which violates every rule of respectful mongering. The proper thing to do would be to identify him or hserself as a handler, and not intentionally misrepresent as Heidi herself. That is called "mutual respect" amongst monger and provider - maybe you you need to look up what that means?[/QUOTE]Since when is a provider or screener under any obligation to let you know whether it is her or not? Hey, I got a list of BP girls for you to contact. I am sure you are talking to them and not their pimp / SO.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2861374]I have not lost any prospect with any future providers. I am more powerful in this hobby than you know.[/QUOTE]I think we now have an official new psychological condition; Napoleon Penial Complex. If you got to say you are "powerful" in this hobby, guess what, you are not! You have only started showing up here in Indy in the last month or so. Before that, it was pretty much all OH. Maybe you had some clout there but here you are acting like an ass. You may not have lost any prospect with future providers because they likely will not know of this. As far as current providers, every lady that reads this board will not see you. That is of course unless you misrepresent yourself as another monger or do not disclose who you are really are. What a minute? That sounds vaguely familiar! Are you a hypocrite along with obviously being an idiot?

[QUOTE=HunterGatherer;2861465]In fact, if we applied the rules like pro sports do, FF would go into the Monger Hall of Fame in five years.[/QUOTE]HG, for the love of all things hobby, don't tell him this! I am too busy trying to make sure he stays in retirement. We don't need him coming back to make a HOF reunion tour. .

[QUOTE=Mwdude;2861531]She was presented on this board as having done porn from the first notes about her, so that may have been the mistake.[/QUOTE]You are mostly spot on here. She is a young lady that made a mistake of letting someone know this. She did not advertise this fact on BP or come on her and advertise it. She let a monger know it when he saw her. She likely did not think it would be broadcast. Not really blaming him as he probably did not realize it would cause all this drama. Hopefully lesson learned on both sides but in this monger's opinion we need to drop it and move the hell on. TMeister is obviously not going to acknowledge that he was wrong in any way and the general feeling of the rest of the board is pretty clear.

There was another provider in KY that had also done porn. To my knowledge, she only did one scene. Somehow it got out about her film. The next thing you know, knowledge of this had got back to her home area and was being posted all over forums and such that were completely unrelated to the hobby. Even worse is the fact that someone got ahold of personal pics of her and were posting those on BP along with screen shots of her in her scene with graphic pics. Geeh I wonder why Heidi would not want stuff like this to become too much of common knowledge.

[QUOTE=TMeister;2824472]I might be joining you soon. The mongering scene has hit rock bottom. 9 times out of 10 it just leads to disappointment and misery with these drug-addled urchins. Not even worth buying a burner phone these days.[/QUOTE]A month ago you were talking about bowing out of this hobby. What happened to that? Maybe that is why you are talking about all the drug addicted urchins. If you treat the ladies that way, it is only those ladies that are willing to see you.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.