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[QUOTE=Kenn Jack]The problem is that unless the ACLU fights this now, a monger who is nailed with this will have to go to court etc. and deal with all of the consequences of fighting it on appeal. This is IMHO a very bad piece of legislation and too far reaching.
Jack[/QUOTE]I'm no lawyer either but I've seen couple of things in this bill that the ACLU could and should get their teeth into. Let's hope.
It looks like the bill will be signed into law Monday or Tuesday.
Not one person was happy with the bill, so I am sure there is a bunch of legal loopholes in it as well. Lets hope that the first to get raided will stand up and fight, hopefully killing this law in federal court on constitution challenges.
I will be at the State House when the Governor signs it. Most likely wearing a turtle neck. The next law I work on is to require all women to wear turtle necks, exposing flesh is demeaning and should be outlawed.
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The Professor.
Hey NewDay,
I did not quote anything in my post just stated facts in regards to what I know. The big thing is for anyone that is ever caught in one of these stings to not sing like a Canary. The police will give you the line, "just tell the truth and you will be on your way," or some other BS to get you to spill your guts. Just say I saw an ad for a massage I needed one and I came here to get it and that is all I got.
As for the language in the bill of "a known reputation" that will be the first thing that is challenged if they ever try to use it. Reputation is here say and here say is not admissible in court.
The only one at a real risk is the masseuse, what the Police will start to do and I just love this. They will come in as a customer maybe even several times get the TS a massage and try and get extras. If they get extras they will enjoy the benefit and come back later for the arrest when they have a warrant and if you are in there at that time they will try and get you to sing if you don't they may give you a BS ticket and you will be on your way.
[QUOTE=Newday53]Hey R
Pieces are missing from the quote you used. There is a special clause about reputation that may not be in Mich. law:
So maybe they all close shop - reopen under new name and we all be a lot more discreet when we report. I imagine this may happen in time anyway.
BTW I've seen that video and it is worth watching - bottom line is just don't ever say anything at all - it is your right.[/QUOTE]
Any time you are caught doing anything its "Schultz" time."I know nothing".
I guess you missed the day in civics class where they taught you about the three branches of government. The bill is not considered to be "PASSED" into law until the legislature votes on it and the governor signs it.
[QUOTE=Newday53]The bill says but projo says Note: "When the bill becomes law."
So, does the gov have to sign before it is actually illegal or is it now due to the passage?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ri Designer]I guess you missed the day in civics class where they taught you about the three branches of government. The bill is not considered to be "PASSED" into law until the legislature votes on it and the governor signs it.[/QUOTE]Thanks RI - I went to RI Assembly website and read "How a Bill Becomes a Law." Indeed it is sent to the gov. BUT it can become law without his signature.
[QUOTE]3. The Governor may allow a bill to become law without his signature. If the General Assembly is in session, he transmits the bill without his signature to the Secretary of State following the sixth day (Sunday excepted) that the measure has been presented to him. If the General Assembly has adjourned, the act becomes law unless it has been transmitted by the Governor to the Secretary of State with his disapproval in writing within ten (10) days after adjournment.[/QUOTE]
Hence, my confusion.
The Governor will sign it into law on Tuesday. It will be interesting to see if he will ask for it to be enforced ASAP when he signs it. I am sure there will be a press conference. Even if he does as for immediate enforcement, we will see if anyone listens. Does anyone listen to him anymore? He has been a lame duck for a while. The sense I get is they will probably do a raid, but not right away. I don't know what police department would want to be involved in this. It takes a bunch of hours, getting warrants, setting these places up. The economy is a factor. EP Police just laid off a bunch of cops, and the cops that are left in most cities don't think this is a "crime" worth going after. Providence & Pawtucket police have more important things like shootings to be worried about.
Most states have the policy not to go after indoor prostitution because it is a waste of time, and just go after the street walkers.
If the Gov. Has a press conference, and I am sure he will, listen closely to what he says.
[QUOTE=Newday53]So, now that your sources have done the deed do they expect it to be enforced or are they just content to not be embarrassed (utter BS) anymore?[/QUOTE]This has nothing to do with my sources now, they did their part. It will be enforced by the those who have the power to enforce, the police. The police have always had the power to enforce but they had no law to enforce, now they got it. The police departments, state, local and fed, were the ones who needed this. They got it. Absolutely will be enforced.
Does anyone know where the full text of the law can be found? I don't go to FS AMP's but have really enjoyed going to Lily's for the past few months. The providers I have encountered are among the nicest women I have ever met.
As I do not want to do anything that is criminal, I fear that the only safe thing to do is to avoid AMP's all together.
You guys are killing me. I'm going to be in Providence on business this week and was looking forward to making the rounds. You've got one of the best AMP scenes in the country. If the law passes, things will settle down as it does most other places in the country and you'll still be able to play. You'll just need to be known to them. Cuts down on the wide open variety of play you've got now by being able to go anywhere and score but you'll still have FS AMP's around.
I share your misery.
[QUOTE=Rlloyd] Just say I saw an ad for a massage I needed one and I came here to get it and that is all I got.[/QUOTE]
That won't work if the only ads for the place are on craigslist adult and phoenix
adult.
[QUOTE=Shilo]Does anyone know where the full text of the law can be found? I don't go to FS AMP's but have really enjoyed going to Lily's for the past few months. The providers I have encountered are among the nicest women I have ever met.
As I do not want to do anything that is criminal, I fear that the only safe thing to do is to avoid AMP's all together.[/QUOTE]Here you go, read it and weep.
[url]http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText09/HouseText09/H5044B.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Donna Hughes]The economy is a factor. EP Police just laid off a bunch of cops, and the cops that are left in most cities don't think this is a "crime" worth going after.[/QUOTE] They should go after the criminals in the RI GA!
[QUOTE=DrGolfer]This has nothing to do with my sources now, they did their part. It will be enforced by the those who have the power to enforce, the police. The police have always had the power to enforce but they had no law to enforce, now they got it. The police departments, state, local and fed, were the ones who needed this. They got it. Absolutely will be enforced.[/QUOTE]I can not even count the instances I didn't even flinch going to either Lilly's ,NMS or DT when I would see the cruiser just parked right across the street near the entrance.
In the future it is now different.
I imagine there will be some planned big LE,media and politically staged raids and arrests for good press for this new law.
Only if there were a big connection to out of town meeting and conventions and AMP's...and this new law caused ironically a big drop in of out of staters buiz guys chosing to go to vegas or maybe Canada instead?
[QUOTE=Donna Hughes]I don't know what police department would want to be involved in this. It takes a bunch of hours, getting warrants, setting these places up. The economy is a factor. EP Police just laid off a bunch of cops, and the cops that are left in most cities don't think this is a "crime" worth going after. Providence & Pawtucket police have more important things like shootings to be worried about.
Most states have the policy not to go after indoor prostitution because it is a waste of time, and just go after the street walkers.
If the Gov. Has a press conference, and I am sure he will, listen closely to what he says.[/QUOTE]Said "screw it" and went out for some fun. Learned a couple of interesting things but don't feel I should broadcast it so real Senior Members can PM if you like. (Yeah, I know I'm still only a Regular Member but that should change in a few more weeks unless Jackson feels benevolent.)
Cheers!