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The ACLU would not succeed in a challenge, IMO. The Rhode Island Supreme Court will not determine that legislative criminalization of prostitution is a civil liberty violation. Rhode Island will just be like the other 48.85 states (I gave the three counties in Nevada 15% of a state). If law enforcement were concerned about human trafficking, there were, and will continue to be, opportunities to investigate.

Regarding the severity of penalties, for many hobbiests, any criminal charge, especially for a crime of moral turpitude, could be devastating.

Fortunately, there is still payola, the second oldest profession.

Regarding a chaotic rush to make arrests, if I were a law enforcement administrator, I would move slowly to avoid bad arrests and additional national publicity about the state's "problem". All in all, I don't think that most folks in other states could give a shit. There are many people that think that prostitution is legal in Vegas, and tourism has only improved.

[QUOTE=Newday53]The Senate version was drastically re-written by the house judiciary today. Not sure the Senate is going to like this - could be ( hopefully) an extended debate. Note also that 5044 (the house bill) is on Senate Judiciary calendar for 10/28 discussion and is dramatically different that 0596 - the original Senate bill (re-written by the House). With any luck the whole thing could fall apart.

Could be quite a lengthy debate brewing - let's hope.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think there is a real chance this thing will fall apart this time. I hope so, but I don’t think so. The law as it stands right now is an embarrassment to the state, so the state government is willing to feed the most vulnerable in society to the wolves. I used to live in R.I and would hang in some of the bars on Barton in Pawtucket. The girls walking the street were all dope heads. So now the state wants to re-criminalizes indoor prostitution but doesn’t put anything in the law to help adicts…..just jail time fore repeat offenders. Now they will be able to take the cars of repeat offenders (men they hope). I bet they will be the poorest of the poor. The spas will be the first targets of the police but the strip clubs could be next. Nothing will change, but people will be arrested and processed. R.I has double digit unemployment, some of the highest taxes in the country. Jobs are not coming to the state due to the taxes, and this is what the gov takes on.

For the record if you want to buy a piece of ass in NY/NJ you can do it easily and for a lot less money than an R.I spa. And this is very illegal. This law will do nothing but put poor people in jail. Shame on R.I.

[QUOTE=Jackzonian26]I'm not married but I know half a dozen guys who have to drop a few bucks to get their wives to bust their nut and not their balls. [/QUOTE]

I will have to try that. Crap, that has been my problem all these years. My next report could be interesting. It will be a TOFTT.

Was reading through the details of S-0596 and found this little tidbit:

[QUOTE]It shall be unlawful for any person to receive or give, or agree to receive or give, any money or thing of value for procuring or attempting to procure any person to become a prostitute or to come into this state or leave this state for the purpose of prostitution.[/QUOTE]Certainly it must be a civil rights violation and unconstitutional to tell someone they cannot leave a state on their own choosing! What about "I'm leaving Rhode Island because there are no jobs and the government is mostly a bunch of idiots so I'm going to Nevada to become a prostitute." Is someone going to get arrested for this?

[QUOTE=Donna Hughes]I wouldn't really worry about the law effecting us, it is not like there are many Asian women on the police force, how would they be able to get a girl into a spa to set up the mongers. It will never happen.[/QUOTE]I wish it were so but just BEING CAUGHT in an establishment or going in & coming out of one, even if just getting a massage and nothing else, is considered evidence.

From S-0596: [QUOTE]11-34.1-10. Reputation testimony as evidence..- In the trial of any person charged with a violation of this chapter, testimony concerning the reputation of the place where the violation occurred or of persons who frequent or reside in it shall be admissible in evidence in support of the charge.[/QUOTE]We've all seen the list on the web that lists Spas that are suspected of being brothels so this may be all the a-holes need in terms of "reputation".

I imagine a good lawyer could get you off (no pun intended) unless you were actually caught in the act but who wants to deal with all that.

One odd thing. The Senate calendar has yet to be updated today even though the Senate Judiciary voted to approve this BS last night. They are usually pretty quick about doing so. UPDATE: Today's Senate calendar lists H-5044 now which is odd because the Senate bill is S-0596.

Finally. Be careful around FE later today. There was a police van with tinted windows parked just down the street facing FE. Mind you, it was across from the DD so maybe I'm just paranoid. F**k 'them, I thought, and I still went in and had my (hopefully not) last legal adventure with my good friend there. It was great!

I'm about to walk out of my office right now and head down to one...we are still legal today right? lol shit this sucks

[QUOTE=Newday53]I wish it were so but just BEING CAUGHT in an establishment or going in & coming out of one. Even if just getting a massage and nothing else. Is considered evidence.

From S-0596: We've all seen the list on the web that lists Spas that are suspected of being brothels so this may be all the a-holes need in terms of "reputation".

I imagine a good lawyer could get you off (no pun intended) unless you were actually caught in the act but who wants to deal with all that.

One odd thing. The Senate calendar has yet to be updated today even though the Senate Judiciary voted to approve this BS last night. They are usually pretty quick about doing so.

Finally. Be careful around FE later today. There was a police van with tinted windows parked just down the street facing FE. Mind you, it was across from the DD so maybe I'm just paranoid. F**k 'them, I thought, and I still went in and had my (hopefully not) last legal adventure with my good friend there. It was great![/QUOTE]

Let's not forget all of the posts on this site indicating what has transpired where and for how much $. That would be enough to build a reputation in court. I guess I will be spending time with the 2 or 3 regular CL girls that I have come to know.


[QUOTE=Newday53]I wish it were so but just BEING CAUGHT in an establishment or going in & coming out of one. Even if just getting a massage and nothing else. Is considered evidence.

From S-0596: We've all seen the list on the web that lists Spas that are suspected of being brothels so this may be all the a-holes need in terms of "reputation".

I imagine a good lawyer could get you off (no pun intended) unless you were actually caught in the act but who wants to deal with all that.

One odd thing. The Senate calendar has yet to be updated today even though the Senate Judiciary voted to approve this BS last night. They are usually pretty quick about doing so.

Finally. Be careful around FE later today. There was a police van with tinted windows parked just down the street facing FE. Mind you, it was across from the DD so maybe I'm just paranoid. F**k 'them, I thought, and I still went in and had my (hopefully not) last legal adventure with my good friend there. It was great![/QUOTE]

I have it from good sources (people actually making the decision) this bill will be passed. As someone said a bit earlier there has been a change in the origninal bill but forgetabout that, its going to be passed. The major reason behind this being certain, as someone on here said earlier also, it has been an embarrasment to the state for too long. The familiars I have said it must come to end during this sitting and it will.

First I am from Michigan where obviously it is illegal but still a thriving business. It may not be a free for all like in the past but once you are known by Moma you will be golden.

As for getting caught as a John, the only way you will get charged is if you talk. Remember you do not have to say anything just you came for a massage and that is all, remember they need to prove your guilt. I am adding a link to a video that everyone should watch it will save you a lot of money and headaches in the future. It is long but worth ever minute.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQYB2Coufg[/url]

B safe

[QUOTE=Newday53]I wish it were so but just BEING CAUGHT in an establishment or going in & coming out of one, even if just getting a massage and nothing else, is considered evidence.

From S-0596: We've all seen the list on the web that lists Spas that are suspected of being brothels so this may be all the a-holes need in terms of "reputation".

I imagine a good lawyer could get you off (no pun intended) unless you were actually caught in the act but who wants to deal with all that.

One odd thing. The Senate calendar has yet to be updated today even though the Senate Judiciary voted to approve this BS last night. They are usually pretty quick about doing so. UPDATE: Today's Senate calendar lists H-5044 now which is odd because the Senate bill is S-0596.

Finally. Be careful around FE later today. There was a police van with tinted windows parked just down the street facing FE. Mind you, it was across from the DD so maybe I'm just paranoid. F**k 'them, I thought, and I still went in and had my (hopefully not) last legal adventure with my good friend there. It was great![/QUOTE]

This isn't good:

[url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/10/ri-senate-pass-bill-to-outlaw.html[/url]

Only a few more legal days.

[url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/10/ri-senate-pass-bill-to-outlaw.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Boston Dynasty]This isn't good:

[url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/10/ri-senate-pass-bill-to-outlaw.html[/url]

Only a few more legal days.[/QUOTE]The bill says [QUOTE]This act would take effect upon passage.[/QUOTE] but projo says [QUOTE]...and now heads to the governor's desk where it is expected to be signed into law, possibly by early next week.
When the bill becomes law, prostitutes who work in brothels or strip clubs or out of their homes will face the same possibility of criminal prosecution as prostitutes who ply their trade on the streets.[/QUOTE]Note: "When the bill becomes law."

So, does the gov have to sign before it is actually illegal or is it now due to the passage?

[QUOTE=Rlloyd]First I am from Michigan where obviously it is illegal but still a thriving business. It may not be a free for all like in the past but once you are known by Moma you will be golden.

As for getting caught as a John, the only way you will get charged is if you talk. Remember you do not have to say anything just you came for a massage and that is all, remember they need to prove your guilt. I am adding a link to a video that everyone should watch it will save you a lot of money and headaches in the future. It is long but worth ever minute.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQYB2Coufg[/url]

B safe[/QUOTE]Hey R

Pieces are missing from the quote you used. There is a special clause about reputation that may not be in Mich. law:

[QUOTE]11-34.1-10. Reputation testimony as evidence..- In the trial of any person charged with a violation of this chapter, testimony concerning the reputation of the place where the violation occurred or of persons who frequent or reside in it shall be admissible in evidence in support of the charge.[/QUOTE]So maybe they all close shop - reopen under new name and we all be a lot more discreet when we report. I imagine this may happen in time anyway.

BTW I've seen that video and it is worth watching - bottom line is just don't ever say anything at all - it is your right.

[QUOTE=DrGolfer]I have it from good sources (people actually making the decision) this bill will be passed. As someone said a bit earlier there has been a change in the origninal bill but forgetabout that, its going to be passed. The major reason behind this being certain, as someone on here said earlier also, it has been an embarrasment to the state for too long. The familiars I have said it must come to end during this sitting and it will.[/QUOTE]So, now that your sources have done the deed do they expect it to be enforced or are they just content to not be embarrassed (utter BS) anymore?

While I am not a lawyer, it seems very far fetched to be able to arrest a person due to the reputation issue. Effectively this implies that going to an AMP is on its face a crime which is ridiculous and likely to be unconstitutional. The problem is that unless the ACLU fights this now, a monger who is nailed with this will have to go to court etc. and deal with all of the consequences of fighting it on appeal. This is IMHO a very bad piece of legislation and too far reaching.

Jack


[QUOTE=Newday53]I wish it were so but just BEING CAUGHT in an establishment or going in & coming out of one, even if just getting a massage and nothing else, is considered evidence.

From S-0596: We've all seen the list on the web that lists Spas that are suspected of being brothels so this may be all the a-holes need in terms of "reputation".

I imagine a good lawyer could get you off (no pun intended) unless you were actually caught in the act but who wants to deal with all that.

One odd thing. The Senate calendar has yet to be updated today even though the Senate Judiciary voted to approve this BS last night. They are usually pretty quick about doing so. UPDATE: Today's Senate calendar lists H-5044 now which is odd because the Senate bill is S-0596.

Finally. Be careful around FE later today. There was a police van with tinted windows parked just down the street facing FE. Mind you, it was across from the DD so maybe I'm just paranoid. F**k 'them, I thought, and I still went in and had my (hopefully not) last legal adventure with my good friend there. It was great![/QUOTE]