"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1784733]You should buy her some shoes that will match that little black dress. Maybe some red pumps. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. You do pay attention to details.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1784447]Finally, the vast majority of my views and emails happened during the three day trial period. This may be the results of the "fresh meat" syndrome where the pros and semi-pros pile on the new guy.[/QUOTE]The idea now is to stay on and reverse that dynamic. Because in the girls case, a lot of the hotties jump off fast. Sometimes you may be the only guy to get in there before they ditch the site completely.

Obviously I am new here to posting, but have been lurking with fascination for some time. I would like to extend thanks to all of the regular posters here. The intel / technigues / strategies presented and discussed on this forum are invaluable.

I finally got serious last week and joined one of the websites that has been discussed here. Even though I am single with no SO at the moment, I did create an undercover alias. Email, google voice (which I still can't get configured the way I would like. I will have to read back in the forum as I know it was been discussed in detail). I did this just to have some general security measures in place. My long-term goal would be to find a long-term SB or 2 that are not doing this as job. But rather actually enjoy spending time and are turned on as much by me as I am by them. The only missing link would be because of the age gap, we just wouldn't work in a real life situation. Plus they would need help with some expenses but not be dying for cash. My short-term goal is to spread as much seed in the process. For the record, I am mid forties, decent shape, decent looks. My optimal SB would be between 25-30. It's not that I can't go out and score ass in the civilian world, but I am just tired of putting in the work that is involved in that. Plus the drama. Not to mention, I think civilian dating / relationships are probably more costly then the SB route. At least in my experience.

Anyway, like I said, I joined and immediately sent out about 50 emails to SBs in the area I am interested in. The response was huge. Here is a breakdown so far:

EMSB1 (Expressoman SB1) : This one actually contacted me. I never sent her a message first. I can't even remember how the dialogue went now on the website as I have sent and received a lot of messages, but we quickly proceeded to texting. She is 35, white, single mom, has a part time job. Probably a 6 in the face. 6 in the body (thickness) .10 for attitude. This is the type that you may not want your buddies seeing you with, but at the end of the night she looks pretty good. Anyway, not even 24 hours after I had joined the site, we agreed to meet. I drove to her town about 45 minutes away and met her at a bar inside a hotel. She looked as pictured. Was very nice. We sat and chatted over a drink. We talked a little about what each is expecting, etc. I would say both of us were on the vague side. She kept saying she had never done this and didn't really know what to do. She was tired of real dating and was giving this a try. I said I was new too and really didn't know. Throughout the convo, I could tell she wanted to proceed to the FC. So finally I threw it out there and said why don't I get a room so we can relax / see if we have chemistry and figure things out from there? She agreed, I got the room and we headed up. The girl is a complete freak. Nothing was off limits. True GFE / pornstar quality. She has a submissive side and like to be told what to do, how to do it, etc. And she aims to please. Anyway, a solid 2 hours was enjoyed by both parties with never any expectations of sugar. All it cost me was the FC and an $11 bar tab. I asked if she wanted dinner and she declined. LOL. We have been texting daily since. I am confident all I have to do is say the word and she will be on her knees. I'm sure there was some beginner's luck involved here but I will take it. What a great start!

EMSB2: She responded to my message. She is white. 25, a slightly thick but the pics look great. She works in childcare but needs sugar for extras, etc. We have emailed, texted, and talked on the phone. She seems quite game for all. Kind of pressing me on what I am willing to do on the SD / SB arrangement side of things. I have held my ground and said I would like to meet, see if we have chemistry and if so, we will discuss and negotiate a sugar per meet arrangement and proceed. She seems to have a little experience. And I am speculating, but she may have a slight case of GPS. But I won't know that until if / when we start talking sugar. I was supposed to meet her last night but had to cancel due to something on my end. She seemed a little disappointed which I will take as a good sign. She has a busy schedule this coming week so we might not be able to meet until next week sometime. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

There are a few others I have been messaging and texting but honestly haven't had the time to cultivate. I don't know how some of you guys do it. Managing 6+ SBs, SO, work, etc. LOL. Obviously I need to get better organized. I will report when I can on any findings, experiences, SB updates as often as I can. Again, thank you all for sharing your experiences. This forum is a wealth of information.

Them

Burn phone tip from another board:

[QUOTE=WarlockKy; 1785346]And one other bit of info, SIM5 puts you on TMobile's network & SIM4 puts you on AT&T, so you might want to consider that if you have coverage issues.

If you buy one off eBay or directly from TracFone specifying a zip of 65046 will guarantee you being put on AT&T and you can also change your number every 30 days by calling to switch your area code.

As far as a credit card, get a green dot or Walmart prepaid and that will also make things more difficult to track.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpressoMan;1785018]She is 35, white, single mom, has a part time job. Probably a 6 in the face. 6 in the body (thickness) .10 for attitude. I am confident all I have to do is say the word and she will be on her knees. I'm sure there was some beginner's luck involved here but I will take it. What a great start![/QUOTE]If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.

If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.

I'll give a little more in-depth update later, but I just want to quickly jot down my experience while I'm still in the after-glow. So my SA membership was about to expire and with a few days remaining, out of the blue a 20 year-old Eastern European student / model contacts me. She actually lived within a 2-hour radius of me but because she was Eastern European, I instantly assumed it was just another scam at first. I was slow responding and she eventually sent me another follow-up messages to ask if I was still interested in talking and etc. I decided to bite and she gave me her phone number, but again I was a little slow sending her the initial text message.

I finally starting texting her and we exchanged pictures. She seemed to like my picture and she sent me a couple of her pictures. They looked good, but the angles were a bit awkward and I thought she might be a 7 or 8 (in both body and face). Still we clicked pretty well over text and she asked to meet this weekend. Not once did she mention anything about allowance. I usually like to sort the allowance before the meet, but this time I decided to go with the flow. We already agreed that if M&G went well, we'd proceed to the FC afterward (though she was a little hesitant at the idea first).

So yesterday we meet for lunch. Even though she lives 2 hours away, she drove 3/4 the way toward me, which was great. When she steps out of the car I'm looking at a [b]10/10 [/b] (Face / Body) model type Eastern European girl. Literally a perfect 10! I got to admit I was a little bit intimidated. I've been with some attractive girls, generally 8s and the rare 9. But never in the Sugar Bowl with a certified Perfect 10. People's heads were turning and just about every guy was eying her in the restaurant at one point or another. That's how hot she was. While I was happy to share company with this Perfect 10, I thought for sure I was going to have a GPS on my hands especially since we still hadn't discussed the allowance.

The lunch went well and we had finished our food but still the allowance never came up. In fact we had a little awkward moment because I wanted to try to proceed things to the FC but I wasn't sure if it was wise since again no allowance had been discussed. But I asked if she wanted to go to the FC and we both laughed because she was eager and waiting for me to ask.

In the FC, oh my. Her body was even more flawless than I could have imagined. Perky C-cups, long legs, slender body, soft skin, and shapely ass. And she just wasn't a pretty statue either, she really got into it and was super affectionate. It was like having a long-lost girlfriend. And then at the end of each round, she completely gulped down all my man-juice. I honestly never had oral pleasures that good, especially from someone her age.

We spent the whole afternoon and evening together in the FC (7 hours.ish). In between rounds we would talk and then cuddle. She even went out briefly to buy us coffee, which she insisted on paying for. And again no discussion of allowance yet! Toward the end, she was already talking about us getting together again soon, so clearly she enjoyed herself. But I was starting to get nervous that the allowance I would give her wouldn't be adequate. At the end, I walked her to the car and gave her an envelope of $.5. Honestly she was worth twice that amount but that's all I brought because I had no idea she would be a 10/10/10/10 across the board (face, body, attitude, skills).

When she drove off she waved and wished me safe travels, but I don't know if she looked at the amount yet. I am a little nervous that the allowance I gave her didn't meet her expectations because she's had a couple of very rich boyfriends (well beyond my networth). But she also has a particular affinity for my race and I could definitely feel she was attracted to me, so perhaps that's why the allowance was never discussed. Still I know it's part of the deal. Later today, when I txt her I guess I'll find out if the allowance I gave her was a deal breaker or not.

Either way, even if I don't see her again or another SB for that matter, I can die happy from the Sugar Bowl. We've talked about numerous times in this forum about having a hot time with a 6 several times instead of a 10 once. But what if you find a 20 year-old non-GPS 10 who gets down and dirty like 6 with the skills of a MILF, and with also a sweet personality? I just experienced that and it was like a small piece of heaven. Sometimes one absolutely amazing experience can trump them all. If she actually texts me back and is satisfied with the allowance I gave her, I'm going to put all the other SBs out to pasture. May not be the smartest thing to do, but my Euro SB exceeds all my other SBs in every category. So I rather put all my resources in keeping my Euro Baby happy.

Okay I'm done. You can pull the cord.

Thanks for the comment HWG. I can see what you mean. It makes sense. I definitley want to raise the bar. I was just surprised how easy it was to score if you are in need. I got back on the site yesterday and by evening I had 2 m&g's lined up with 2 more today. The 2 from last night were both aa, both thick but solid 7s in the face. Both were great potentials and I will probably see again. One was 23 the other was 35. The 35yr old an I made out like 9th graders in the car before going home. I also have been in contact with a couple of really nice prospects who I hope to set up meets with soon. I will report in more detail when I have time. Again, I'm surprised it is all so easy.

Them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1785567]If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.[/QUOTE]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]I am older, handsome, look younger, sweet, affectionate, reasonably generous, and still struggle to find a string of girls.

I believe it is personality and comfort in "the Game". So Zomby man, if you "got game " then you are good. The bottom line is, that all SBs that we lust after think of our age as old. Shoot, a freshman in college thinks a senior is old (my kids terminology). Thirty something guys (a few on here) have an advantage with 18 to 20 somethings, but if you project power, wealth, privilege, and confidence then I think girls can overlook looks, shape, and age somewhat. They want to be taken care of financially, then sexually. Occasionally we find that amazing nugget of gold who clicks with us and is not into the Money (like JG Smith just found)

Just my opinion and as usual, YMMV

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1785658]If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.[/QUOTE]When is this going to happen to me. LOL

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]I stay in touch with a few of my X's (and have queried many a SB over time) and I would say that looks are second (or third) to personality and sugar for most of these girls. Other wise they would be paying me. More LOLz

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]SD4M girls are more desperate and are more closer to Non-pro or UTR. You should have no problems.

SA requires a little more game, but still as long as you are not a weirdo, and have decent conversation you are fine.

You can always compensate lack of looks or game by offering a high sugar amount, at 1200 bucks a month or 300-500 per meet.

You shouldn't have any problems.

I'm 32, been doing this off and on since I was 29 (I still lie to some of the girls and say I'm 29)

I could always attract average to below average girls at bars, but eventually got tired of the grind everytime I went out.

I use the sugar bowl to, bone girls that I usually could bone but with less effort and BS. I also use the sugar bowl to try out kinky sex.

That I like, but would afraid to try on a civvy girl, I didn't know very well. The most important attribute is that I use the sugar to bone.

Super hott chicks that normaly would not give an somewhat above average guy like me the time of day. So I usually end up paying more for the almost model types.

Even though I am good looking and in shape.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1785963]When is this going to happen to me. LOL[/QUOTE]I just got a text from her saying she enjoyed our time together, so yaay! No mention of the allowance I gave her, so at least the amount I gave her didn't turn her away.

But she's a bit of a free spirit and she attracts attention wherever she goes. I've been used to having my SBs semi-exclusive to me, but I'm going to have to get used to just letting her do whatever on her own time and simply enjoy the time we do spend together. Which is fair because honestly I've been a bit of a hypocrite. I demand SBs to be fairly exclusive to me but then I'm still seeing multiple SBs (at least for the past 6 months).

Still HWG, I'm envious of the harem you got. Not simply because you have multiple SBs, but because you have them all aware of each other and they're more or less okay with it.

I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want. My Euro Baby found me by search and my profile got her attention so she sought me out. As I said, she basically just fell into my lap.

Some of the best SBs I've had were the ones that contacted me first. Because I added a good amount of detail to my profile, after you weed out the long distance girls and spam, the girls who contact me after reading it are usually pre-qualified very well right from the start.

Obviously, being proactive and sending out first contact messages is still very important. But a well-written profile which details what you're looking for can bring in a surprise or two either today or a few weeks / months from now. I've noticed when I make the initial contact usually I can snag up to a 7. But the times I got an 8 or above, they almost always made the initial contact. It doesn't happen often, but the time I spent on writing my profile (on both SA and SDFM) has paid dividends. So don't overlook it.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1786065]I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want.[/QUOTE]This is a very interesting subject. I'd really like to hear how much detail you go into. I started out very generic, then beefed it up a little but still am not specific, other than to say looking for an ongoing arrangement, one to two times per week. Do you mention that you expect a physical relationship in your profile? Discuss sugar at all? I would also be interested in any feedback you've gotten from SB's as to what caught their eye. I think HG could probably give some insight into that as well.