"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1783880]This is my biggest issue with AM. Also there are some jerks who will start a I'm session just to use up your credits! You start the session then they don't respond at all. It has happened a few times. Very frustrating. Now I don't accept chats at all. I'll do email, but it's not worth wasting the credits for a timed chat session.[/QUOTE]I seldom accept a collect I'm for that vary reason. When I use I'm, I also use the pause button liberally. I'll send a message and hit pause. This lets me drag an hour out for almost a day given the response rate is usually very low. But, I can send a sentence or two to far more women that way than using email. The problem is that a large number of women are never I'm available.

As for having luck on AM, it usually takes me several weeks to get a solid contact. A good portion of those that I chat with for more than a few minutes result in a M&G at some point down the road.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1783423]SDFM in the DC / Richmond corridor is full of unattractive and unappealing girls. I can't find one single girl I want to pursue in the 21 to 30 yr old group.[/QUOTE]Yes. I've been a little disappointed with the talent on SD4M. There are a handful or so that are interesting. I had set-up 4 M&G. I cancelled one, and two were cancelled on me. Par for the course I guess.

The one M&G I had went well. 27 AA with a nice body and decent attitude. She's not someone I would probably date, but for an on call SB she might work. We'll have another meeting next week perhaps. Which raises the question. She's being coy on the payment amount. Which is good and bad. How much do you guys suggest as payment for an afternoon of fun in a hotel?

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1784024]Yes. I've been a little disappointed with the talent on SD4M. There are a handful or so that are interesting. I had set-up 4 M&G. I cancelled one, and two were cancelled on me. Par for the course I guess.

The one M&G I had went well. 27 AA with a nice body and decent attitude. She's not someone I would probably date, but for an on call SB she might work. We'll have another meeting next week perhaps. Which raises the question. She's being coy on the payment amount. Which is good and bad. How much do you guys suggest as payment for an afternoon of fun in a hotel?[/QUOTE]$ 100 $ 100 meaning $ only in cash

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1780446]Just Game. AM does have some women on it that ask for sugar, but I've avoided them. The vast majority of them just want either sex, or a lover (relationship). The tough part is avoiding the sticky ones that want to be exclusive with you. Having said this. You can't be cheap. I don't bring them to McDonalds, and we don't shag at a Motel 6.

The women I'm currently seeing have never asked for sugar. The MILFs usually just want to meet in a hotel room (Courtyard level) , and shag. I usually bring a nice bottle of wine or Patron with some snacks. The staffer and I usually have a great dinner / wine and then to a nice hotel. The flight attendant and I do the same. Wine and dine. We've had a few vacations together too (at my expense). I've given her (besides the normal be-day / Christmas) a few random gifts over the years. She's probably given me more gifts though. She's always showing up with high-end clothes for me. Maybe she doesn't like the way I dress![/QUOTE]Mr. BikeRider,

Your assertion makes for a interesting discussion. I would argue that formula is as follows:

(Game x Sugar) minus Female horniness = POF (Panties on Floor).

What is Sugar? Is Sugar only defined by $ handed to the female?

No, it is not. The money spent on dinner, drinks, entertainment, gifts, plane tickets & the quality of the hotel, all factor in to the sugar equation in the mind of the female. And it most certainly factors into your CPO. The definition of the sugar relationship is mutually beneficial. We don't define what is considered mutually beneficial in the females mind. But our ability to determine what that is (game) and our ability to provide it (sugar) is what leads to our ultimate goal (POF).

I currently have an official SO. We have a relationship where no $ is exchanged. But, I know without a doubt that the reason I have MFD (most favored dick) status with her is BECAUSE I spend money on her! And lots of it! I don't even calculate my CPO because I don't want to know. The wonderful thing is that we have full disclosure and she does her thing and I do mine.

I'm starting a SB relationship where money is not being exchanged. But she identify's as a sugar baby. She says,"Why hang out with someone who can't do anything for me when I can hang out with someone who can?" Makes sense to me. She wants to shop. Has a certain hotel standard. And is NSA. Wants our time to be our time. She just says "Don't have another women walking down the hall as I am leaving. Wait at least ten minutes after I've left the building and we are good."

And yes gentlemen, I do understand the sugar world and what it means to be in a relationship with someone inside of it. But I've found that I simply like the females inside of this world a lot more than I like the vanilla women. They are sexier, more feminine, have the same alternative mindset towards relationships as I do and are just flat out more interesting. The costs you must pay to maintain societal appearance by remaining in approved conventional relationships is simply high to for me to endure.

Go hard, go deep, Go HAM!

SubCommander out

SD has been much better than SA in my area. SA had many flakes and crazies and the GPS was terrible.

SD is much more straight forward and the women are less mercenary. But then again I am having much more success due to my higher level of experience now.

Revvo

Met this 27 yr old preggo MILF 2 days ago from SA. She's a mom, pregnant, student, dog groomer. Busy gal. 100% Sicilian, seems she's proud of it.

We texted for a few days and set up an FC date. I always tried to skip the M&G since I have very little time. Never discussed sugar, neither I nor she brought it up but there was expectation of sugar involved.

So I went and get a room, texted her the room number and less than 10min she's knocking on my door. She showed up in a black summer dress with brown high heels and pony tail. Looks pretty darn sexy.

We introduced ourselves, chatted for 10-15 minutes and she asked to give me a massage, and who am I to refused. She gave me a light massage, not great but decent. A few minutes of it and she ordered me to turn flip over and she pulled out little me and got to work. She got good skills. I like it slow, wet, deep, and tongue flicking. While she's working on mini me, I play with her kitty and finger fucking it and she's already moaning. And did I say she didn't have a panty on under that dress? LOL.

After about 5 minutes of her oral skills, I had her on her knees and did the lazy k9. Pounding that MILF pussy as hard as I can, and spanking those ass cheeks while pulling on her pony tail. I love pony tail.

She's a screamer, and a genuinely sexual gal. She just loves cock and really enjoy being fucked. Less than 10min of K9, I busted a nut in that pussy. Yes, this is the first time that I've done the deed without the cover with a baby. She looked more than clean enough and assured me that her tests at the gyno are all clean. I know it's just her words but I just had a good feeling she's clean. And I haven't nutted bare in a pussy in a long, long time. It felt fucking great. And she's surprising tight for a MILF. She told me she's even tighter when not pregnant. LOL.

We then chatted for another 15min or so after, then we get dressed and left. I got to head back to work. On the way out, I slipped $ in her purse and she said thanks.

I planned to keep on fucking this MILF once a week until at least she has the baby, which is around Sept she said. BTW, she's willing to open up the back door if I really, really wanted it. LOL.

Got a few babies lined up next week including a 23yr old latina, a 19 yr old young AA MILF, and a 35 yr old MILF.

BTW. The M4M pills didn't seem to make me feel like 18, or even 25 at all. However, it seems to have a bit more of an affect the next morning as I woke up to a boner and mini me tends to keep getting hard through out the good part of the next day. I'll give this a try again next time and see if it does work.

New here, I've gone back and read through the entire thread. It took a while but seems well worth it! A little about me, I live outside of Boston, am 33 and getting back into shape, but got lazy about that for a few years while I was building up my business. I prefer to see spinners in the 18-21 range, and seem to be at the point where its difficult to find girls in that range without the help of being a SD. A couple years ago I fell into a kind of SD relationship with an 18 year old former pro who gave up the pro status and lived with me for a couple years. I wasn't paying her, but she did live with me, drove one of my cars, and was on my cell phone plan. Then her mother and step father were both sent to prison and she had to go take care of her 8 and 10 year old brothers. We kept in touch for a while, but she ended up finding someone else.

Since then I've been mainly seeing UTR girls, but with the help of some of the tips on here I setup an account on both SA and SD4M earlier this week. It seems most of you are getting the best results on one or the other of them, but it all depends on the area, so we'll see how it works out here. I've sent out a bunch of messages, and have heard back from four different potentials so far. Still in the talking phase with three of them, and things seem to be progressing nicely so far. First is 18 hispanic cute face, great body, seems down for anything. Second is 18, very girl next door look, and just finished her first year of college and is looking for a summer fling. The third just turned 20, hispanic, not quite a spinner but very cute. Says she's good with anything I want to do, she just got back to me this morning though so haven't really talked too much with her. I'm getting the feeling that she may be an UTR semi-pro though, we'll see.

Now that brings me to the forth.who I will be seeing in the FC tonight! She's cute. 18 (will be 19 next month) , spinner, white HYM, just looking for a little help with covering her rent and cell phone bill. She says she's looking forward to trying new things she's never done before. And I'll be glad to teach her. If things go well today we'll be getting together at least once, maybe twice a week for an allowance of $.75 / week. I was skeptical of this one (and still kind of am) thinking that maybe she was UTR because she has two different active profiles. Different pictures on each, but you can tell it her on both. But with such a small sugar amount, and the fact that she hasn't placed any time restrictions on how long she'll be staying in the FC I'm not sure.

I know there's a risk with having so many potentials who are 18-19, but I've managed to get pictures of their IDs confirming their age so that should help lower the risk.

And while I was typing this up I just got a text from potential #5. She's another 18 year old, only has a face picture up, claims to have a slim body. Girl next door look, full time college student with a full time job. Looking for not much sugar, more that she wants to travel and get out of the small town she lives in. She lives almost 5 hours from me, and if I can setup a FC M&G in her area wants to come to visit me for a couple weekends a month if I cover the expense of the train ride. She's never been here so that apparently will count as traveling for her.

Anyway, wanted to say thanks to all here for the invaluable information in this thread. I'll update you all as time goes on.

So this is the 23yr old latina I mentioned earlier.

This is a strange one. She's on SD4M. I hit her up a few months ago. We've texted for a week or two trying to set something up but she was always too damn busy with work, so it never worked out. Couldn't get a date together.

Or maybe she wasn't too excited about my initial sugar offer and now realized she couldn't find anything better. LOL.

So I stopped communication with her for over a month now. Suddenly, yesterday she send me a txt and we started talking again. Seems her work got cut down significantly and she's working only a few days a week and want to get something going.

I have her set up for Monday. But she could flake. I am not too optimistic on this pot, but I wouldn't mind hitting that booty if she does show up. .

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CL has been busy in my local areas. More busy than I have the time for.

This is the 19yr AA MILF. Have her on a 300 monthly allowance, for getting the FC twice a week. I am a cheap bastard. .

Cute face, and one heck of an ass. Have her on the dock next week as well.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1784191]Mr. BikeRider,

Your assertion makes for a interesting discussion. I would argue that formula is as follows:

(Game x Sugar) minus Female horniness = POF (Panties on Floor).

What is Sugar? Is Sugar only defined by $ handed to the female?

No, it is not. The money spent on dinner, drinks, entertainment, gifts, plane tickets & the quality of the hotel, all factor in to the sugar equation in the mind of the female. And it most certainly factors into your CPO. The definition of the sugar relationship is mutually beneficial. We don't define what is considered mutually beneficial in the females mind. But our ability to determine what that is (game) and our ability to provide it (sugar) is what leads to our ultimate goal (POF).

I currently have an official SO. We have a relationship where no $ is exchanged. But, I know without a doubt that the reason I have MFD (most favored dick) status with her is BECAUSE I spend money on her! And lots of it! I don't even calculate my CPO because I don't want to know. The wonderful thing is that we have full disclosure and she does her thing and I do mine.

I'm starting a SB relationship where money is not being exchanged. But she identify's as a sugar baby. She says,"Why hang out with someone who can't do anything for me when I can hang out with someone who can?" Makes sense to me. She wants to shop. Has a certain hotel standard. And is NSA. Wants our time to be our time. She just says "Don't have another women walking down the hall as I am leaving. Wait at least ten minutes after I've left the building and we are good."

And yes gentlemen, I do understand the sugar world and what it means to be in a relationship with someone inside of it. But I've found that I simply like the females inside of this world a lot more than I like the vanilla women. They are sexier, more feminine, have the same alternative mindset towards relationships as I do and are just flat out more interesting. The costs you must pay to maintain societal appearance by remaining in approved conventional relationships is simply high to for me to endure.

Go hard, go deep, Go HAM!

SubCommander out[/QUOTE]SubCommander,

I agree completely. CPO does, in fact, include the wining and dining. One of the reasons why I decided to try the SB game out a bit. I figured the CPO would be about the same or less, and I might be able to go younger. The jury is still out.

BR

So here are my long promised stats.

I joined a week ago, and I've experienced the same "bug" as another poster. I used a pre-paid card that only had $5 on it for the free trial. After three days, I received a message that my re-bill failed. I still have Total Access etc. We'll see how long it lasts.

Here are the numbers for one week:

194. Views.

93. Emails sent to me.

40. Kisses.

61. Emails I sent (some of these were replies)

20. Emails not replied.

9. Emails not opened / read.

Notable mentions:

-I received one blackmail email asking for $4500 in green dot cash. I was to email said green dot numbers in 2 hrs or else my personal details would be provided to "friends and family".

-I received about 3-4 emails asking for cash straight away.

-The infamous "baroness" from the Richmond area emailed me.

-I may have found a good friend's 19 year old niece on SD4M (no I didn't contact her. Even though she is f'ing amazing looking).

-I experienced one game player. Sending me random emails saying bizarre things.

Finally, the vast majority of my views and emails happened during the three day trial period. This may be the results of the "fresh meat" syndrome where the pros and semi-pros pile on the new guy.

I'm still in communications with about six women at this point. Of those six, I'd say only two are keepers for any length of time. Both are 20 years old, and both are students at a good local University (or so they say). We'll see where it goes. One of them is at home (out of DC) for the summer. The other has potential, but her replies often take a day or two.

I'm starting to look at this thing of ours like three legs of a stool: AM, SD, and Pros. Each leg has it place and utility. I like AM because I've been lucky to find quality career women that I can take to good restaurants and nice vacations. Pros are nice when you just need it and don't have much time ("I don't pay women for sex. I pay them to leave." Carlos Estevez aka Charlie Sheen). SD may fill that void for young and fresh as I get ready to join the ranks of the AARP. We'll see.

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i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted, and without starting flame wars.

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You should buy her some shoes that will match that little black dress. Maybe some red pumps. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1784286]Met this 27 yr old preggo MILF 2 days ago from SA. She's a mom, pregnant, student, dog groomer. Busy gal. 100% Sicilian, seems she's proud of it.

We texted for a few days and set up an FC date. I always tried to skip the M&G since I have very little time. Never discussed sugar, neither I nor she brought it up but there was expectation of sugar involved.

So I went and get a room, texted her the room number and less than 10min she's knocking on my door. She showed up in a black summer dress with brown high heels and pony tail. Looks pretty darn sexy.

We introduced ourselves, chatted for 10-15 minutes and she asked to give me a massage, and who am I to refused. She gave me a light massage, not great but decent. A few minutes of it and she ordered me to turn flip over and she pulled out little me and got to work. She got good skills. I like it slow, wet, deep, and tongue flicking. While she's working on mini me, I play with her kitty and finger fucking it and she's already moaning. And did I say she didn't have a panty on under that dress? LOL.

After about 5 minutes of her oral skills, I had her on her knees and did the lazy k9. Pounding that MILF pussy as hard as I can, and spanking those ass cheeks while pulling on her pony tail. I love pony tail.

She's a screamer, and a genuinely sexual gal. She just loves cock and really enjoy being fucked. Less than 10min of K9, I busted a nut in that pussy. Yes, this is the first time that I've done the deed without the cover with a baby. She looked more than clean enough and assured me that her tests at the gyno are all clean. I know it's just her words but I just had a good feeling she's clean. And I haven't nutted bare in a pussy in a long, long time. It felt fucking great. And she's surprising tight for a MILF. She told me she's even tighter when not pregnant. LOL.

We then chatted for another 15min or so after, then we get dressed and left. I got to head back to work. On the way out, I slipped $ in her purse and she said thanks.

I planned to keep on fucking this MILF once a week until at least she has the baby, which is around Sept she said. BTW, she's willing to open up the back door if I really, really wanted it. LOL.

Got a few babies lined up next week including a 23yr old latina, a 19 yr old young AA MILF, and a 35 yr old MILF.

BTW. The M4M pills didn't seem to make me feel like 18, or even 25 at all. However, it seems to have a bit more of an affect the next morning as I woke up to a boner and mini me tends to keep getting hard through out the good part of the next day. I'll give this a try again next time and see if it does work.[/QUOTE]