Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Kingotis; 1891065]The massage was mediocre, at the flip she asked $80 for a handjob."You want?" she asked, making the universal sign for "jacking off."

Then some negotiation, perhaps $40 handies are unheard of out here after all, I ended up paying $60 for a nude handjob. Decent boobs, wooly thatch of pubes, jackhammer technique.

I changed tactics and decided to order in. I contacted "Taylor,"[/QUOTE]Great reviews. Reminds me why I have no interest in all the Asian circuit gal places.

What amazes me is the ignorance they have of the legal issues and how lucky over years with no major federal Mann Act or Trafficking charges. I did note the big group of Asians busted a few weeks ago and another Asian house of prostitution arrest yesterday.

Taylor seems at least a less legal issue depending on what she says on the phone. LE sends in undercovers all the time in Phoenix and sometimes so does Scottsdale and not only do the Asian parlors have huge risk of felonies with 10+ years potentially in prison, when there are other ways of operating far safer (flat fee for time not tThese silly obviously illegal acts for tips so open).

No one seems to follow the ideal model. Flat fee. Never any tip discussion.

Lots of this is my frustration finding anything in Phoenix area like I enjoy so much in Ontario. Zillions of beautiful gals, on websites, honest pictures and descriptions, maybe $140 total cost 50 minutes (often go over) for often better real massage than many LMT's here, full nude body contact, and release is just natural end, no tip, no big deal, no legal issues. Licensed body rub parlors with no training needed but many are really really good at real massage, and of course interactive no big deal.

With our lack of consenting adult freedoms in the USA and major stings in Phx area at least flat fees could be fought in Court and if you don't say the wrong thing in person or on ads you don't have the legal risks. Superior Court is full of cases right now. As well as huge massage busts that finally concluded of 4 major parlors with the gals now life long felons and owners in prison. Except the one that committed suicide just before sentencing.

Now a batch more of massage cases not to mention the Studio, Temple various escorts and massage gals and of course the about every 6 months Project Rose take them to Bethany Home Church and if agree to six month indoctrination on the evils of private consenting adult sexwork led by Catholic Charities avoid the mandatory 15 days in prison if work alone or 10+ years in prison if more than just an independent.

Now pressure is on for new laws to be easier to go after customers before the 2015? Superbowl or whatever the big event is coming up. So far very low risk for customers but amazes me what the massage parlors operate as to make arrests so easy since so obviously paying for sex (hand job or more) specifically. Making arrests easy if LE wants to crack down more.

[QUOTE=DavePHX; 1892463]. The Asian circuit gal places.

No major federal Mann Act or Trafficking charges.[/QUOTE]Dave, you constantly "report" on this stuff and make statements like this. You are largely misinformed on this particular topic however. There IS NO "circuit" (as in implying handlers and force moving them around). Do they work at different spas? Yes, sure, sometimes. They do this by choice and because they are essentially independent contractors. The reasons vary, but the most typical and common one is: the spa owner (who is virtually always also a former working girl, not some organized "handler" mechanism) simply has a spot open in her rotation and the timing matches with the desire for the particular girl wanting to work. It is a network (in K AMPs) of working girls and former working girls (spa owners) , exclusively. This notion of trafficking and force and slavery, and all the other "evil" words always thrown around and conflated with all MPs is just plain false. It is simply a puritanical western crusade against a mostly accepted Asian practice of the "oldest profession" in the world. Consenting adults, minding their own business. You, in your claims of being an advocate, don't help ironically (in my opinion) by constantly reporting and repeating these terms and claims. I don't get you and whether you are an "advocate" or really have some hidden agenda against these women that is underneath it all.

There is NO trafficking. There is NO slavery. It is all media and other groups with, perhaps nobel, but nonetheless misinformed notions of what is going on at these places. Caveat: I'm speaking of Korean AMPs. Chinese AMPs, Russian MPs, Latina MPs, maybe different, but not K AMPs. It used to be that AMPs were 99% K, but the Chinese have caught on in past decade (not sure if good or bad).

[QUOTE=DavePHX;1892463]. massage parlors operate as to make arrests so easy since so obviously paying for sex (hand job or more) specifically. Making arrests easy if LE wants to crack down more.[/QUOTE]I don't know about you, but I go to a massage parlor for a massage. For those that MIGHT go for more, and are also IDIOTS, your statement might be true. Case in point, the recent Asian Star Massage "bust" in Mesa where the IDIOT customer was pulled over for a "moving violation" after leaving the AMP and incriminated himself FOR NO REASON by "admitting" he received sexual services. For the rest of us (non-idiots) , unless you are literally caught by LE with your dick in her hand, your chances of arrest are next to none. Even if they detain or actually take you in "take you in for questioning " (I. E, in a scare attempt to make you incriminate yourself) the chances of charges are even lower. So, don't be an IDIOT and you'll be fine.

Take my post FWIW, I don't mean to flame you.

[QUOTE=BoredInd; 1892445][url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/bam-lets-kick-it-up-a-notch/12004588[/url]

Looked her ad up on backpage. Sounded interesting. But was a huge turnoff. She looked like the lady in the pics. The massage by itself was pretty average though. The whole session she was commenting on my Asian background and how she knew more about Yoga and stuff then 'WE' did. Told me that I don't take care of my body. Now I might be a bit over weight but that was definitely not true. Finally. Ended up being just a tease. Massaged the areas around the johny. But told them she is not getting 'Good Vibes off me' and 'I am not getting enough'. Said it was pointless to give me a release. Asked me to start meditating and all that crap. Before I realized what happened. I was like WTF. If I just wanted a massage. I had go for someone like Lisa who is a proper LMT. What a waste of $.2.[/QUOTE]I found you are right. She does look like the pic's, but for me a real turn off. When I didn't cum after maybe 10-15 minutes she said time is up.

[quote=minotaurus;1892598]dave, you constantly "report" on this stuff and make statements like this. you are largely misinformed on this particular topic however. there is no "circuit" (as in implying handlers and force moving them around). do they work at different spas? yes, sure, sometimes. they do this by choice and because they are essentially independent contractors. the reasons vary, but the most typical and common one is: the spa owner (who is virtually always also a former working girl, not some organized "handler" mechanism) simply has a spot open in her rotation and the timing matches with the desire for the particular girl wanting to work.[/quote]this is exactly what a mann act and trafficking federal charges are for. choice makes no difference for "trafficking" if it is forced then it is "extreme trafficking" vs just trafficking if anyone helps someone drive, arrange for transport is a phone operator that sets up appts etc. all this is trafficking and if consenting adults regular trafficking not extreme. but still serious prison time.

more often massage places are charged as criminal enterprises up to 10 years in prison or decades more when bring intervening indictments after raid place, find the money trail and everyone touching the money is charged often with many counts of money laundering. so in one case prosecutor is saying take a felony plea deal or face 40+ years in prison if convicted (lower level temple gals with no direct evidence of any prostitution just association). similar to the big massage busts cases from a few years ago now settled and now a slew more in superior court (typically takes about 2 years to go to trial and first year nothing much happens). but during the 2 year wait, almost impossible for gals to get any regular jobs since criminal checks show pending charges.

this is a huge money raising sham because people think "trafficking" means forced when it does not. $millions of grants and $millions of donations raised by groups like catholic charities in phoenix (project rose city contract for indoctrination 6 month course to "save from prostitution"). the vast majority busted are from in private consenting adults ads having nothing to do with under aged or forced anything. reviews from mostly the bigboard are routinely mentioned now in police reports and probably cause statements and indictments.

$millions are being wasted going after in private consenting adults whose only "victim" is the state of arizona that montgomery is gun hoe yo prosecute as felonies whenever he can. no police agencies all over the usa are coming to phoenix to learn how to trick a massage or escort to say the wrong thing so can bust them.

i have zillions of examples, in the police reports, gj indictments etc i am trying to follow. the public if they knew how much is wasted would not support it but all the media hype is about children and trafficking when only maybe 5% of arrests have anything to do with ****d and maybe 90% have no pimps, no forced work, just happy consenting adults.

on the other hand there are really bad pimped gals on bp. but le for bonuses based on quotas is reported on how many arrests they can make seem to go after anyone whether a real pimped ****d on bp or happy massage or escorts, by free choice choosing to provide a benefit to our culture via safe, private sexuality options.

in the ongoig temple case about 32 computers from gals sent to crime lab and something like 8tb of info recovered. took 6-12 months to do and while rape kits from real victims went untested the crime lab got all erased data etc from the temple computers. all was tossed!!! the 2nd judge disallowed with wisdom that instead presenting maybe a million pages of data in discovery, just identify what will be used in court and prosecutor agreed to just go with the original 100k+ pages of discovery and not million more after all the work of the crime lab.

temple, studio, many massage parlors busts have absolutely no one ****d and certainly no one forced or coerced. and in temple case almost no evidence of actual prostitution for most of the defendents facing years in prison or lifetime felony pleas for probation.

I've been to a place called Best massage twice and left happy and still some change in pocket. First time I was with and older broad left with HJ finish for. 2 total. Second time I only got 30 min for 40. This time was with a younger good looking Chinese girl with fake boobs. Great tight body, she was wearing tight bicycle shorts. Not a good massage just her running her hands on my back. Now on the flip we talked about home. Negotiated FS for same. 2 total I wasn't about to argue with that. Great little body on her but very tight and kept me from going deep, which I'm decent size. Anyway had a good time. [url]http://m.rubmaps.com/erotic-massage-best-massage-spa-mesa-az-4293[/url]

I'm not much into AMP as results vary greatly from place to place and time. So I like one on one. Some good talent out there.

[QUOTE=Kingotis; 1891065]Having used the rather tired metaphor of the desert more than once or twice in my life, it is only fitting that I would eventually end up mongering in an actual desert. Departing the comfort zone of the five boroughs requires a leap of faith from me but duty does occasionally call, when I found myself in Phoenix and its environs I saw no reason to curtail my usual extracurricular activities.

1. This place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/asian-massage-w-free-shower-by-most-beautiful-sexy-asian-therapist-480-990-2622-23/22149199[/url]

Phone: (480) 990-2622.

The first place I tried was a little shop tucked away behind a fast food restaurant. It was a bit rundown and mildewed, I was handled by a Chinese MILF whose name escapes me. There was a table shower, which was a plus, house fee was $60 per hour. Her English was decent, I was curious how one winds up toiling in Arizona, she gave me a travelogue with stops in Flushing and San Francisco. Foolishly, when she mentioned Flushing, I revealed that I'm a New Yorker and she astutely tucked that information away for later use.

The massage was mediocre, at the flip she asked $80 for a handjob."You want?" she asked, making the universal sign for "jacking off."

"I want," I said,"for $40." She insisted that no one in Phoenix gets a handy for 40 bucks, unlike New York. I smiled my magnetic smile and she agreed to $60 bucks, topless. The top came off and revealed superb implants, which I handled until she jacked my oily cock into submission.

2. That place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/body-fusionsignature-asian-massage-gorgeous-and-licensed-masseuses-26/24793624[/url]

Phone: (480) 945-2330.

"It must get better," I reasoned to myself, and I resolved to try another place soon. And so it was that I found myself at another little dive near Old Town Scottsdale. I was greeted by Rose, a 50-ish Chinese woman who fawned over me like I was made of gold. I paid $60 for the house again, really there are no bargains anymore are there?

A familiar-feeling table shower was followed by Rose's best effort at a strong massage, which was not strong at all. Then some negotiation, perhaps $40 handies are unheard of out here after all, I ended up paying $60 for a nude handjob. Decent boobs, wooly thatch of pubes, jackhammer technique.

After she started asking me when I'd be back, telling me she knew from looking at me that I was a nice man. No, I didn't invite her back to the hotel for room service.

3. My place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/tantalizing-body-rub-you-wont-forget-anytime-soon-29/20466607[/url]

Phone: (623) 282-1369.

I changed tactics and decided to order in. I contacted "Taylor," who claims to be a hot 29 year old caucasian doing outcall bodyrubs. After some texting back and forth she came to my hotel room right on time. She was closer to 39 than 29, but was attractive and had a great pair of tits. I paid her $150 and she delivered a passable rub and excellent conversation. The finish was a relatively predictable handjob with roaming, nothing out of the ordinary but Taylor did prove to be a pleasant companion for an hour who delivered professional service.

Next time I find myself in the desert she'll probably be my oasis again. Unless someone has a better idea.[/QUOTE]

So, I'm in the mood (again) for a little Latino persuasion. I've been to AAA-Massage on Glendale around 41st. And another place by old town Glendale off of 59th ave. While dreaming at both places, I constantly felt like when I walked out, either my car would be gone or the window would be smashed in. That would be difficult to explain, if you know what I mean. Any suggestions for places that feel a little less shady?

Dave. Quixotic? Definitely.

This guy spends his life reviewing police reports and alarming the board. Has he ever been to a massage establishment? I doubt it. But he continues on much like Don Quixote striking down those windmills. So what's the point?

Anyone who has spent anytime in this hobby and time on this board knows pretty much how to behave and what to expect.

In Dave's defense, it is good to have current knowledge of a 'bust', but please Dave knock off the rest of the crap.

DN.

[QUOTE=MinoTaurus; 1892598]Dave, you constantly "report" on this stuff and make statements like this. You are largely misinformed on this particular topic however. There IS NO "circuit" (as in implying handlers and force moving them around). Do they work at different spas? Yes, sure, sometimes. They do this by choice and because they are essentially independent contractors. The reasons vary, but the most typical and common one is: the spa owner (who is virtually always also a former working girl, not some organized "handler" mechanism) simply has a spot open in her rotation and the timing matches with the desire for the particular girl wanting to work. It is a network (in K AMPs) of working girls and former working girls (spa owners) , exclusively. This notion of trafficking and force and slavery, and all the other "evil" words always thrown around and conflated with all MPs is just plain false. It is simply a puritanical western crusade against a mostly accepted Asian practice of the "oldest profession" in the world. Consenting adults, minding their own business. You, in your claims of being an advocate, don't help ironically (in my opinion) by constantly reporting and repeating these terms and claims. I don't get you and whether you are an "advocate" or really have some hidden agenda against these women that is underneath it all.

There is NO trafficking. There is NO slavery. It is all media and other groups with, perhaps nobel, but nonetheless misinformed notions of what is going on at these places. Caveat: I'm speaking of Korean AMPs. Chinese AMPs, Russian MPs, Latina MPs, maybe different, but not K AMPs. It used to be that AMPs were 99% K, but the Chinese have caught on in past decade (not sure if good or bad).

I don't know about you, but I go to a massage parlor for a massage. For those that MIGHT go for more, and are also IDIOTS, your statement might be true. Case in point, the recent Asian Star Massage "bust" in Mesa where the IDIOT customer was pulled over for a "moving violation" after leaving the AMP and incriminated himself FOR NO REASON by "admitting" he received sexual services. For the rest of us (non-idiots) , unless you are literally caught by LE with your dick in her hand, your chances of arrest are next to none. Even if they detain or actually take you in "take you in for questioning " (I. E, in a scare attempt to make you incriminate yourself) the chances of charges are even lower. So, don't be an IDIOT and you'll be fine.

Take my post FWIW, I don't mean to flame you.[/QUOTE]

[quote=dick north; 1894553]this guy spends his life reviewing police reports and alarming the board. has he ever been to a massage establishment? i doubt it. but he continues on much like don quixote striking down those windmills. so what's the point?

anyone who has spent anytime in this hobby and time on this board knows pretty much how to behave and what to expect.

in dave's defense, it is good to have current knowledge of a 'bust', but please dave knock off the rest of the crap.

dn.[/quote]yes i realize that ignorance in bliss to some especially since guys don't have much risk yet. although those that know what is best for us propose new laws to help arrest more customers.

yes i use to go to basically all the non-asian popular massage places in phoenix for decades. then got spoiled by canada and lately just not my interest with the clearly eeasy to bust tipping for illegal sex and all the asian domination.

the point is for those that want to be knowledgeable maybe have some intelligent intro to the massage gals but not likely. if they would change their mode of operation would not keep seeing all the new arrests, indictments of others (where mug shots never posted just mesa arrests and into the court via indictments). so many gals are totally ignorant and wind up with lifetime felony records. my point is to show how much money wasted on these consenting adult cases under the excuse of pimps and **** and the obviously easy charges for trafficking and mann act if they wanted to of the circuit gals. amazing they have been doing this for a decade and avoided charges but that seems to be changing.

i realize i am preaching to the choir. but wider spread knowledge to me seems useful and some folks want to know what is going on with the phoenix war on in private consenting adult sexwork. from police reports and court records i have leaned exactly how a bust operation works which might be useful. the problem is the zillions of gals not on these boards that have no clue how much legal risk they are at if unluckly enough to be caught in a bust vs ways that could easily avoid the issue or have a much better chance of defense. those is becoming especially clear in all the cantanise women cases now getting ripe with lots of motions etc by good attorney's the 2012 3 massage cases. the more recent cases will take awhile after more arrests made takes awile to get the full info since records sealed after indictments until arrested.

latest two recent arrests were by mesa police for traffic violations and found they massage parlor indictments when ran ncic check after traffic stop and booked into mesa jail at least avoiding mugshots on line since msco didn't handle. now with the rest of the co-defendants facing felonies and still more outstanding with indictments sealed for those not get found. after the raid many more get indicted only due to "association" found in massage parlor records, running plates for months in the parking lot etc.

am not sure what you define as "crap" . i call it trying to help educate and avoid many more folks being felons for life, especially the gals just over a hand release

FBI has been involved in massage cases. BTW per Court records most of the gals that spoke only Cantonese appear to be in the USA legally and no force or coercion involved but FBI is.

The chief of the Maricopa County Major Crimes Division wrote a letter to the FBI seeking information on the Federal sex trafficking investigation. No response yet, at least in the public record.

In letter to FBI Country explains how the massage parlors were a prostitution criminal enterprise based on sex offered to undercover officer, an undercover applied for a job and acts of prostitution were discussed and various 'Johns' were questioned and admitted to acts of prostitution.

Again the sham is sex trafficking may imply some sort of pimp or forced but under the Federal trafficking law it applies to fully consenting adults who are simply trying to make a living a choosing massage but are easy bust targets by their tipping discussion for sadly illegal acts like a hand release.

One defendant was earlier ticketed for massage without a license but case disappeared since no translator available. Now of course faced with serious felonies with prison terms and potential $150, 000 fine PLUS 83% surcharge (which includes 10% to the "clean election" fund) plus $20. Same as in the Temple, Studio etc. Felony cases.

Our government at work to keep Maricopa County safe from those dangerous hand jobs

Incidentally I have visited the first 2 places that you have written about. I agree with your assessment for the 1st lady. Passable english. Decent looking MILF with a good rack. I think her name was Mimmi. Started me off with a table shower. And basically made you realize more was on after massage. Her massage was so. So, flipped me over and asked me what I wanted. Agreed for FS for $.6. Made me pay her first. Now this part is always the turn off for me. But I understand these girls concerns. So paid her. Took off her clothes. And did not look bad. Gave me CBJ. And let me do DATY. She was hairy. But hygenic. After words rode me like RCG for 10 mins till I got off. Cleaned me off later.

Did go to her again after a couple of weeks. For want of better options around where I was staying. This time was pleased to see me. Same thing. Good table shower. So. So massage. This time I let my hands wander to her thighs and ass while she was massaging my back. Did not protest. Was somewhat disappointed when I told her I did not want FS this time. Just HJ. Agreed on. 6. She stripped of completely and let me play with her rack till I came.

So all in all not bad experiences. Might visit again when I get to PHX in couple of weeks.

For the 2nd place now:

Now this was literally my first visit to an AMP from BP ads. So did not know how and what to expect. Met some lady at the door. Was definitely not 50ish. Think she was in her 30's. Did not look too bad. I suspect the girls have changed. No TS was on offer. Massage again was so. So as it always is at AMP's. Then flipped me around and asked me if I wanted an HJ. Told me. 6. Which I agreed to. Started playing with me. I attempted to take off her top. Where in she demanded. 4 more. I was like WTF. But agreed. More stupidity on my part. As I got desperate and negotiated FS for. 6 more. Which made is $.6 +.6 for the massage. FS was not bad. But she was a bit loose down there. Needless to say I felt I over paid. But that was before I realized the existence of this forum.

Any ways. With AMP's since the girls keep changing. Might try my luck again depending on how bleak the circumstances are or my level of horniness.

[QUOTE=Kingotis; 1891065]Having used the rather tired metaphor of the desert more than once or twice in my life, it is only fitting that I would eventually end up mongering in an actual desert. Departing the comfort zone of the five boroughs requires a leap of faith from me but duty does occasionally call, when I found myself in Phoenix and its environs I saw no reason to curtail my usual extracurricular activities.

1. This place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/asian-massage-w-free-shower-by-most-beautiful-sexy-asian-therapist-480-990-2622-23/22149199[/url]

Phone: (480) 990-2622.

The first place I tried was a little shop tucked away behind a fast food restaurant. It was a bit rundown and mildewed, I was handled by a Chinese MILF whose name escapes me. There was a table shower, which was a plus, house fee was $60 per hour. Her English was decent, I was curious how one winds up toiling in Arizona, she gave me a travelogue with stops in Flushing and San Francisco. Foolishly, when she mentioned Flushing, I revealed that I'm a New Yorker and she astutely tucked that information away for later use.

The massage was mediocre, at the flip she asked $80 for a handjob."You want?" she asked, making the universal sign for "jacking off."

"I want," I said,"for $40." She insisted that no one in Phoenix gets a handy for 40 bucks, unlike New York. I smiled my magnetic smile and she agreed to $60 bucks, topless. The top came off and revealed superb implants, which I handled until she jacked my oily cock into submission.

2. That place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/body-fusionsignature-asian-massage-gorgeous-and-licensed-masseuses-26/24793624[/url]

Phone: (480) 945-2330.

"It must get better," I reasoned to myself, and I resolved to try another place soon. And so it was that I found myself at another little dive near Old Town Scottsdale. I was greeted by Rose, a 50-ish Chinese woman who fawned over me like I was made of gold. I paid $60 for the house again, really there are no bargains anymore are there?

A familiar-feeling table shower was followed by Rose's best effort at a strong massage, which was not strong at all. Then some negotiation, perhaps $40 handies are unheard of out here after all, I ended up paying $60 for a nude handjob. Decent boobs, wooly thatch of pubes, jackhammer technique.

After she started asking me when I'd be back, telling me she knew from looking at me that I was a nice man. No, I didn't invite her back to the hotel for room service.

3. My place:

[url]http://phoenix.backpage.com/BodyRubs/tantalizing-body-rub-you-wont-forget-anytime-soon-29/20466607[/url]

Phone: (623) 282-1369.

I changed tactics and decided to order in. I contacted "Taylor," who claims to be a hot 29 year old caucasian doing outcall bodyrubs. After some texting back and forth she came to my hotel room right on time. She was closer to 39 than 29, but was attractive and had a great pair of tits. I paid her $150 and she delivered a passable rub and excellent conversation. The finish was a relatively predictable handjob with roaming, nothing out of the ordinary but Taylor did prove to be a pleasant companion for an hour who delivered professional service.

Next time I find myself in the desert she'll probably be my oasis again. Unless someone has a better idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riffraff26;1893244]So, I'm in the mood (again) for a little Latino persuasion. I've been to AAA-Massage on Glendale around 41st. And another place by old town Glendale off of 59th ave. While dreaming at both places, I constantly felt like when I walked out, either my car would be gone or the window would be smashed in. That would be difficult to explain, if you know what I mean. Any suggestions for places that feel a little less shady?[/QUOTE]You must be driving a Maserati or Ferrari. I don't feel there is anything sketchy about 54th Ave and Glendale or 49th Ave and Glendale. No one hangs out around the spas. AAA has parking in the lot in front of the door, and Four Seasons has a parking lot in back if you don't want to parallel park on the street.

Other places are Latina Bodyworks on 35th Ave just south of Thunderbird in the big office plaza on the east side of the street with outdoor entrances and bushes in front.

Enchanted Forest at 47th Ave and Maryland. Latest Rage in the 4800 block of N 19th Ave in the strip center.

[QUOTE=DavePHX; 1894784]FBI has been involved in massage cases. BTW per Court records most of the gals that spoke only Cantonese appear to be in the USA legally and no force or coercion involved but FBI is.

The chief of the Maricopa County Major Crimes Division wrote a letter to the FBI seeking information on the Federal sex trafficking investigation. No response yet, at least in the public record.

In letter to FBI Country explains how the massage parlors were a prostitution criminal enterprise based on sex offered to undercover officer, an undercover applied for a job and acts of prostitution were discussed and various 'Johns' were questioned and admitted to acts of prostitution.

Again the sham is sex trafficking may imply some sort of pimp or forced but under the Federal trafficking law it applies to fully consenting adults who are simply trying to make a living a choosing massage but are easy bust targets by their tipping discussion for sadly illegal acts like a hand release.

One defendant was earlier ticketed for massage without a license but case disappeared since no translator available. Now of course faced with serious felonies with prison terms and potential $150, 000 fine PLUS 83% surcharge (which includes 10% to the "clean election" fund) plus $20. Same as in the Temple, Studio etc. Felony cases.

Our government at work to keep Maricopa County safe from those dangerous hand jobs[/QUOTE]Knock it off.

Here's Jackson's testimony as to the purpose of this forum:

"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."

Get it Dave?

DN

Which websites do you guys use besides CL and BackPage? I want to check out some new sources.

I like Dave's posts. They give a legal side of things and we all get to learn a little from a different perspective. I also enjoy hearing about the busts he posts often, good places to avoid.

Went to the place in Peoria recently. The girl must have wieghed 80 lbs. Huge eraser nips. The discussion part took forever and that always annoys me. I had not been there before so that made her nervous. Okay experience.

[QUOTE=Massage Dream;1897148]I like Dave's posts. They give a legal side of things and we all get to learn a little from a different perspective. I also enjoy hearing about the busts he posts often, good places to avoid.[/QUOTE]I agree that knowing what legal issues that arise in this business is important. We live in a conservative country legally speaking, and sex in exchange for money will continue to be illegal for some time to come.

While I don't think we should be afraid to partake in the hobby, we need to know what is going on in the law enforcement arena.