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I have always been curious as to why there are are not more independents in Prov?
You would think that at least some spa girls would break free. NO????

Perhaps I am just naive.

PWH

[QUOTE=Dr Lovestrange]--the WORST part being that no provider will want to get near you for the 3-4 months that it is visible--and it is VERY visible![/QUOTE]If it is so visible, how does it get in to "all the Asian Spas"? Is there a period where no symptoms (bumps) exist yet it is still transmissible (like Herpes)?

And, for any places that might be reading here, how does a place get rid of it?

[QUOTE=Pw Herman]I have always been curious as to why there are are not more independents in Prov?
You would think that at least some spa girls would break free. NO????

Perhaps I am just naive.

PWH[/QUOTE]It may be an issue of cost.

I imagine these ladies aren't simply getting on the plane by themselves coming to the USA to set up shop. They may have to "pay" to get their visas.

Once their debt is "serviced" there may be a few out there solo.

Some high end asian soloists out there may be escorting and "american". And "tour" or are on the west coast or NYC the least if they want to be in a colder climate. Just my guess.

The AMP gals seem to rotate through so quickly we don't know what happens. Some say there is a darker side to this. But each gal has there reasons. Maybe once their time is done they either go back to the west coast. NYC or back to S Korea?

[QUOTE=Jackzonian26]Yeah, as much as I enjoy the One, I also noticed a breach of hygiene.

The table in the room has a bedspread over it, like a sheet. The girl lays a "fresh" towel over that for you to lie on, but that's it. It's the same sheet from the previous monger, with any and all body fluids left behind, absorbed. And the pillow case is the same too, so they lay a mini-towel over that. Same deal.

None of that is very good. Any skin issue is there.

Maybe I'll be bringing my own sheets next time.

J[/QUOTE]

While I haven't been to that many places (lately) if memory serves me correct most of the places only change the towel. I certainly would like to hear about the other places that gents have gone to but I don't remember many- (if any) places that strip the covers right down to the table. And as mentioned one place as mentioned here before (by me and others) doesn't even change the top towel. For those 'newbies' it is 'Wan****'. It would be interesting to hear about the other places so chime in all. SO

I concur with Jackson. This is a great report and should answer a lot of questions but not neccesarily a lot of concerns. I do have a question if I may.

[QUOTE] It is VERY contageous, and has been known, in the experience of many clinicians, to be rapant in Asian massage places, where wet contact with previous clients' wet skin is the norm. [/QUOTE]
It it is as rampant as many suggest (not doubting that) why does it seem to be coming up now and only at One Spa. Now I know it may just be the case of a serious outbreak here and now but it seems to not have been reported at other places. And I would think someone who might have gotten it somewhere would speak up.
How long can it 'survive' on objects and what would need to be done to kill it? The reason I ask is that if one of the girls had it (in obvious) contagious stage) I would think they would be shipped out and treated. Even if she didn't tell anyone (and I'm hopeful they are checked by someone every once inawhile while they are working) I would think one of the mongers would certainly notice it and not be with her raising questions to the mama. So if that is the case I would think that the towels would at least be washed at night along with the TS and brushes/soap/ect. Depending on what it takes to kill the virus I would think that the reported cases would be a wrong place at the right time scenario and not necessarily repeated every day.
On a different note someone mentioned a staph type infection at a gym. a fellow worker's daughter contracted one at a gym. (can't remember the name) She now has to be treated at a hospital with one of the 'last resort' antibiotics whenever she gets an infection. Turns out that it was rampant at the gym and over half of those who went there on a regular basis had contracted it.
So bottom line is it those of us fat, lazy and horny might be the best off here. And sounds like there is a perfect vaccine! Visit the American girls.....
And lastly thanks for the insight. I'm also guessing your profession has its advantages considering the amount of BBFS you've enjoyed. What's that line..those that help themselves...... (just monger jealousy) Also thanks for the offer to help anyone with questions. Any thouight of seeing professionally any of those with an issue or a problem? God knows how we hate to find out of the way places to go for treatment or testing! SO

Is this the same dr ? Under a different dr name that PM'd some of us and started a thread on bear backing that Jackson deleted the entire thread then I am guessing did something with the original poster since we never saw the exact dr title again.


[QUOTE=Dr Lovestrange]Dudes, I do not normally diagnose without seeing the patient (aka victim!), but what is being discussed here can only be ONE thing: Molluscum. Here is an excerpt from a useful "laymens" (pun intended?!) website on this:

•Molluscum contagiosum may be sexually transmitted by skin-to-skin contact (does not have to be mucous membranes) and/or lesions. Transmission through sexual contact is the most common form of transmission for adults.

•MCV may be transmitted from inanimate objects such as towels and clothing that come in contact with the lesions. MCV transmission has been associated with swimming pools and sharing baths with an infected person.

•MCV also may be transmitted by autoinoculation, such as touching a lesion and touching another part of the body. To stop from further spreading the infection, do not shave over or close to areas that are visibly infected.

Please note carefully bullet point #2. The entire description can be found at [url]http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_mc.cfm#2[/url].

I am familiar with this "little" problem, both as a professional, as well as a victim! The bad news: with treatment (usually acid to burn off the viral lesions) it will last 3-4 months. Without treatment, it will last about a year, and resolve by itself (usually). The GOOD news: once you contract it and it goes away (whether treated or not), you are VERY VERY unlikey to ever get it again--there is usually permanent immunity, unless you encounter a very unusual strain.

The BEST way to contract this is skin-to-skin. (Condoms provide ABSOLUTELY NO PROTECTION WHATSOEVER!) But it is VERY easily contracted through contact with objects--especialy those that remain moist-- that have picked up the virus--this is NOT herpes, or syph, or clap (which require close contact). One of the BEST ways of transmitting it is via moist contact with objects that have picked it up--read "table shower" tables, towels, toilet seats, etc, etc,--unlike most STDs, it is VERY contageous, and has been known, in the experience of many clinicians, to be rapant in Asian massage places, where wet contact with previous clients' wet skin is the norm.

However--more GOOD news: it is pretty damn harmless--except--try getting ANY provider to play with you if you have it! The lesions are obvious, often bright red, and look like little red pimples with white tops, but a generalized red rash in the region of exposure is also common. And if you see that on a girl, the probability that you will contract it if you have sex (condoms or otherwise) is VERY VERY high!

I have "hobbied" for a LONG time--well over 300 providers--many of them without a condom--but I have ALWAYS avoided the massage places because of this problem! (I contracted it a long, long, time ago, but thankfully, am now immune.) And once you have it and become immune, you CANNOT pass it to others! (Please note that syph, clap, and NGU do NOT result in immunity!)

There is so much mis-information out there--especially on this website--that is TOTAL bullshit--so I thought I would provide this post as a public service.

So here is my (professional) as well as hobbyist advice: If you have had this problem and are now "clean"--feel free to frequent the Asian massage places to your little heart's content--you will NOT contract it again (>99% of the time) and you cannot transmit it. But if you have NOT been exposed, chances are BETTER THAN EVEN that you will contract it, EVEN IF YOU JUST LAY ON A CONTAMINATED SHOWER TABLE!

Again, this is a BENIGN condition--the WORST part being that no provider will want to get near you for the 3-4 months that it is visible--and it is VERY visible! (So forget about sex or even close contact with your wife or girlfriend during that time, unless you want an ex-wife or ex-girlfriend!)

If you contract it I DO recommend seeing a doctor--preferably a dermatologist--as the derms are VERY familiar with the condition and will help you get rid of it in the fastest and most expeditious manner. Unlike Herpes, once the lesions are gone for a week or two, you can NEVER again transmit it!

As I said, I cannot diagnose over the internet--but feel free to PM if you wish, and I will try to answer your questions as best I can. But I CAN assure you of one thing: if the lesions come into contact with your wife or girlfriend, and if she has not previously been exposed and developed immunity, she can and almost certainly WILL contract it.

I have fucked over 300 girls--many of them providers--and since I LOVE Asian girls, many of them were Asian--and many I fucked bareback! But it was thru the kind of experience described on this board that I contracted it--a long time ago. And because I am now immune, I do not worry about it any more. My advice (both as a professional as well as hobbyist): avoid the Asian massage places! (This problem is RAMPANT in east Asia--especially Thailand and Korea.) But even the skankiest of stripclubs, street girls, etc, in the USA are unlikey to give you this problem--I KNOW from experrience! But when wet, re-used towels and/or tables, and/or seats in saunas are invoved--well, caveat emptor!

PM me if you wish. And I hope Jackson does not delete this post and tell me to put it in the "safe sex" forum! This is NOT an STD! But if you go to Asian massage places, especially, as described here, where it is already known to be present--you will in all likelihood contract it. So, Jackson--if you are reading this--this is an IMPORTANT and clearly, from the last few posts, a LOCAL problem, and I think you should NOT delete or re-route this post. Although a "public service", my reasons are also selfish--if word gets around that this is now rampant in Providence, a lot of girls, even those not associated with the spas, will likely cut back on services! But remember: skin contact ALONE or contact with contaminated objects is what transmits this--BBBJs, BBFS, DATY, etc, etc-- are TOTALLY irrelevant!

As a professional, I just HATE when misinformation drives the truck! The probability of getting HIV--even without a condom--is less than 1/1000--even if you have sex with a carrier. On the other hand, the probability of contracting Molluscum, unless immune, with skin to skin or contact, or contact with contaminated objects, is ALMOST CERTAIN. The problem is, the professional drug salesmen, condom vendors, etc, love to hype the "STDS", in order to sell their wares. But for Mulloscum, there are NO wares to sell! THINK ABOUT IT! ---Dr Lovestrange

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[QUOTE=Pw Herman]I have always been curious as to why there are are not more independents in Prov?
You would think that at least some spa girls would break free. NO????

Perhaps I am just naive.

PWH[/QUOTE]Imho I think the women prefer to work together. There is safety in numbers. Remember the craiglist killer did hit in RI, but the strippers hubby was in the next room and saved her. Same thing with the women, they feel safer with other women watching their backs. Not all mongers are as nice as you or I am. Same thing with the cameras always trained on the door, they want to see who is coming in.

The Professor.

[QUOTE=Newday53]If it is so visible, how does it get in to "all the Asian Spas"? Is there a period where no symptoms (bumps) exist yet it is still transmissible (like Herpes)?

And, for any places that might be reading here, how does a place get rid of it?[/QUOTE]It is not known whether it is transmissible when there are no visible signs--many "popular" websites have mis-information about what is and what is not understood about transmission. It is USUALLY very visible--but it is easy to mistake for ordinary folliculitis pimples (from shaving) or "prickly heat" unless you are quite familiar with the clinical appearance.

The best way to keep it out of the establishment is to NOT re-use towels without laundering with hot water and bleach, and to clean all surfaces after each use with bleach. And of course, learn how to identify it, and inspect the girls!

[QUOTE=Stressed Out]I concur with Jackson. This is a great report and should answer a lot of questions but not neccesarily a lot of concerns. I do have a question if I may.

It it is as rampant as many suggest (not doubting that) why does it seem to be coming up now and only at One Spa. Now I know it may just be the case of a serious outbreak here and now but it seems to not have been reported at other places. And I would think someone who might have gotten it somewhere would speak up.
How long can it 'survive' on objects and what would need to be done to kill it? The reason I ask is that if one of the girls had it (in obvious) contagious stage) I would think they would be shipped out and treated. Even if she didn't tell anyone (and I'm hopeful they are checked by someone every once inawhile while they are working) I would think one of the mongers would certainly notice it and not be with her raising questions to the mama. So if that is the case I would think that the towels would at least be washed at night along with the TS and brushes/soap/ect. Depending on what it takes to kill the virus I would think that the reported cases would be a wrong place at the right time scenario and not necessarily repeated every day.

On a different note someone mentioned a staph type infection at a gym. a fellow worker's daughter contracted one at a gym. (can't remember the name) She now has to be treated at a hospital with one of the 'last resort' antibiotics whenever she gets an infection. Turns out that it was rampant at the gym and over half of those who went there on a regular basis had contracted it.

So bottom line is it those of us fat, lazy and horny might be the best off here. And sounds like there is a perfect vaccine! Visit the American girls.

And lastly thanks for the insight. I'm also guessing your profession has its advantages considering the amount of BBFS you've enjoyed. What's that line..those that help themselves...... (just monger jealousy) Also thanks for the offer to help anyone with questions. Any thouight of seeing professionally any of those with an issue or a problem? God knows how we hate to find out of the way places to go for treatment or testing! SO[/QUOTE]

It is not unusual for it to appear more frequently in one place as an "outbreak", more than others, if conditions at that particular place are more conducive to its spread--meaning, that if they don't clean the surfaces or launder the towels and bedding properly, it is more likely to spread there! It has been CLEARLY demonstrated to survive on objects--so it is not even necessary to have sex of ANY kind although that, of course, spreads it more efficiently, skin-to-skin. But even if you lay on a bed and just get a massage, you are likely to get it from the bedding--contact with skin works best, but is NOT required to spread it (unlike most other viruses such as herpes, HIV, or HPV).

Sorry, I cannot see anyone "professionlly", since, although my doctorate in this field is earned, I am NOT a clinician--my work is in the laboratory, not the clinic, and it would be both illegal as well as unethical for me to see "patients". But as I said, the best place to go for this is a dermatologist--they are the most experienced with molluscum and better trained in treating it than any other type of physician. In fact, EVERY board-certified dermatologist has seen HUNDREDS of patients with this, and they have the experience to diagnose and treat it, better than a GP or any other type of specialist. Please be aware that this is not technically an STD--you are just as likely to get it on other body parts besides the genitalia. Grade schoolers are the most common "victims", and since it eventually goes away by itself, it is assumed that this is because of development of at least semi-permanent immunity. But it takes that immunity a LONG time to develop and clear the infection-one to two years on average, but having the little buggers for over 4 years is not uncommon! So go to a dermatologist, dude! It is unlikely to last more than about 3 months with proper treatment! And the longer you wait, the more it spreads on your own body, and hence, the longer it will take to get rid of!

I haven’t been on the RI board in a while but do check in from time to time with fond memories of the sport up there from when I did live in that wonderful little state. Now looking over the discussions here of late it brings to mind something that has bothered me since the discovery that prostitution was in fact legal indoors up there. Why doesn’t the state make mandatory health inspections not only of the place but the girls as well similar to Nevada with there prostitution. Hell the state can make some much needed money not only from the health checks but also the tax revenue of all this. It would also help to set the prices and prevent people from being cheated.
Now if this is not overstepping my bounds as not living up there any more forgive me but this is a thing I have thought about for a while. I personally feel prostitution should be legal in all 50 states and that way it would be safer for the working people and the satisfied customers. (Not to mention tax dollars)
OK stepping down from my high horse now.

Would like some advice on the AMPs in RI. I have a lot of experience with the strip clubs, but have never been to an AMP here and would like to try one.

Which one around provides the BEST experience-- FS, with a virtually guaranteed hot Asian chick, not some old granny. Not worried about $, just want to have some fun before RI crashes the party. I don't want to go someplace and get cornered by some nasty with no other options to pick from. This happened to be at one of the Asian houses in Nevada.

Also... someone posted a rumor on another board that they have passed a law that takes effect 10/28, but I have heard nothing of the sort anywhere else, including Projo, which always reports the latest news; which is why I think the poster was pulling our leg. The 28th seems a strange date to enact it anyway. Maybe the proposed city ordinance?

Was just browsing through here and thought I'd comment on the Molluscum thing. I know this may sound crazy but I got this about 18 years ago, before I had ever seen any type of escort. I was with a girlfriend at the time and positive she hadn't been sexually active with anyone else besides me for at least a year. I freaked out at first because I had never heard of this, and all I could think of was either genital warts or herpes. Saw two different doctors who confirmed it was Molluscum. Both doctors said you can actually get this from children. Not from sexual contact. For me it was basically like pimples all over my crotch and thighs. The first doctor tried to burn all the bumps off with some kind of laser tool, but it was so painful I had to make him stop. Then he tried some type of ointment which did nothing. In the end I had to make repeated trips to a Boston hospital where a different doctor actually froze them off. He had some kind of tool or device which was really cold (I think it used liquid nitrogen. Memory is a bit fuzzy after 18 years). But he just took this tool and applied it to each bump. It was almost as painful as the laser-burn thing that the other doctor used, but I had to have something done. The whole experience lasted about 3 months before they were all gone. I probably made 4-5 visits to the Boston hospital to get them all frozen off.

I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Firedawg]I haven’t been on the RI board in a while but do check in from time to time with fond memories of the sport up there from when I did live in that wonderful little state. Now looking over the discussions here of late it brings to mind something that has bothered me since the discovery that prostitution was in fact legal indoors up there. Why doesn’t the state make mandatory health inspections not only of the place but the girls as well similar to Nevada with there prostitution. Hell the state can make some much needed money not only from the health checks but also the tax revenue of all this. It would also help to set the prices and prevent people from being cheated.
Now if this is not overstepping my bounds as not living up there any more forgive me but this is a thing I have thought about for a while. I personally feel prostitution should be legal in all 50 states and that way it would be safer for the working people and the satisfied customers. (Not to mention tax dollars)
OK stepping down from my high horse now.[/QUOTE]

All good points my good man and I have seen this suggestion in print more than a few times. The problem is this is an 'explosive' issue that 'tugs' at the strings of the 'do-gooders.' You will most often see the 2 chicks names (someone can help me out with this) on the pro-jo's reports and also in the 'studies' done by some woman's 'institute' of the drugs, murders, robberies, deviant behavior, earthquakes, floods and just plain hell on earth that having these places open does to all of us and RI. For instance if you check out the list that was posted here describing the 'spas', living conditions ect you will find that everyone who worked there were illegals that slept on the floor and were prisioners. Even when the two providers spoke at the hearing they were poo-poo'd as being coerced. While we know that some of this exists (and we certainly as clients speak out against it and don't go there when we know it) some of these ladies have been here for awhile and even have a stake it their places (think Harmony). I know for a fact that some of these providers come here for a short time and earn as much as they can and go back home with a bankload. You can debate their morals but for them it works. I personally know of one Malayasian who was an accountant back home. She came here and spent 6 or so months doing the circuit from San Fran to Boston. She went back home with tens of thousands of dollars which would support her for many years to come.
Of course what these 'do-gooders' don't realize is that this will continue in one form or another and they can't stop it. Isn't it better to regulate it and make it safer for all then to have it move to the street and underground where it really might lead to what they fear. Other opinions welcome. SO BTW-personally I think some of these 'do-gooders' just need a good 'f**k.They might like it!

Took a look around this am regarding the legislation.

[url]http://www.browndailyherald.com/mayor-calls-to-end-indoor-prostitution-1.1877822[/url]

There are some bits about the proposed bills as well.

Doesn't look good.

[QUOTE=Newday53]Took a look around this am regarding the legislation.

[url]http://www.browndailyherald.com/mayor-calls-to-end-indoor-prostitution-1.1877822[/url]

There are some bits about the proposed bills as well.

Doesn't look good.[/QUOTE]

I noticed this was from Sept 15 and they hoped to have it done within a week or so. Haven't seen anything further????