Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=GrayGhost;3730897]How did she die?[/QUOTE]This article from the Hamilton corener says probable OD.

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[QUOTE=AceJohnson;3715487]Does anyone remember UTR and Budha? He had a couple of girls that were superb providers, Sasha Black (admin, please don't block, that's the name she advertised under) and Cup Cake. I think these two ladies worked for awhile as independents after UTR shut down, seeing clients separately and as a duo. The reviews on various sites about them as duo's are off the charts, though I only saw them separately. I'm guessing there may have some posts as to what happened, but I haven't seen any. Also there was a provider in the NKY area named Petra, another one of my favorites, A few years ago she semi retired and started seeing only a select few of her regulars and I saw her a couple times after and then she told me she has retired completely. I think she narrowed down even further the clients she would see and I didn't make the last cut. I texted her for an appointment a couple months ago when I saw a review on anoThER site and she said it was either a fake or late review. But, she maintains her hobby phone?

Anyway, greetings from Lexington, Ace.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all who replied about UTR and Sasha and CC, I'm disappointed they're no longer available but glad they're doing well. Any word on Petra? Anybody remember her? Thanks, Ace.

[QUOTE=RE1975;3730319][URL]https://www.gofundme.com/rip-brandy-grevas-need-y039all-help[/URL][/QUOTE]This is so sad:(she seemed as thought she was one of the good ones! Idk her personally but I think we have all seen her pics between here and BP. . . RiP little Angel😕128533; It sad how often this happens#.

[QUOTE=AceJohnson;3734146]Thanks to all who replied about UTR and Sasha and CC, I'm disappointed they're no longer available but glad they're doing well. Any word on Petra? Anybody remember her? Thanks, Ace.[/QUOTE]She always gave non stop sexual pleasures. And pleasant to be with.

Have been trying to find a lady for pleasure of the open kind. Age preferably over 25 to 30. Must love what she does and gets into it. No drgs, and love and I do mean love sking and fking and receiving the same. I have reached out to I'm addictive, Candy Bottoms, Cinnamon, a 38 year old lady in Dayton who looks very sweet and lovable, Nicole, Little Latina and the operative word is ZILCH, NADA, silence. How do ladies expect to take care of their needs if they do not bother to return responses. I would love to have a dollar for every time I have said THIS IS S BUSINESS. A simple response is all that is required yet everyday on here and the Dayton boards I read these FKING tales of whoa about how a lady needs money for rent, her PIMP takes her money and spends it at the bars, She can't feed her kids or pay her rent. Any many of us who contact ladies can't even get a FKING response from a lady we would like to see. Makes no sense. Sorry for the words but this CH*T gets old quickly but they expect help. Any ladies interested or do we need to go to an alternative area for our pleasures? It is about SEX in whatever form we need it and how we need it. It is also not when the ladies WTFU and decide they are ready although we can try to work with them. Just saying, come on ladies you know what and why we are on here for. So what's the verdict. Have a good day all putting my pulpit away and moving on down the line. S*x is S*x so let's GET IT ON Isn't that why we are on here. What we are told by our fearless leader The Doctor would love to be in again but right now batting zero.

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3735344]Have been trying to find a lady for pleasure of the open kind. Age preferably over 25 to 30. Must love what she does and gets into it. No drgs, and love and I do mean love sking and fking and receiving the same. I have reached out to I'm addictive, Candy Bottoms, Cinnamon, a 38 year old lady in Dayton who looks very sweet and lovable, Nicole, Little Latina and the operative word is ZILCH, NADA, silence. How do ladies expect to take care of their needs if they do not bother to return responses. I would love to have a dollar for every time I have said THIS IS S BUSINESS. A simple response is all that is required yet everyday on here and the Dayton boards I read these FKING tales of whoa about how a lady needs money for rent, her PIMP takes her money and spends it at the bars, She can't feed her kids or pay her rent. Any many of us who contact ladies can't even get a FKING response from a lady we would like to see. Makes no sense. Sorry for the words but this CH*T gets old quickly but they expect help. Any ladies interested or do we need to go to an alternative area for our pleasures? It is about SEX in whatever form we need it and how we need it. It is also not when the ladies WTFU and decide they are ready although we can try to work with them. Just saying, come on ladies you know what and why we are on here for. So what's the verdict. Have a good day all putting my pulpit away and moving on down the line. S*x is S*x so let's GET IT ON Isn't that why we are on here. What we are told by our fearless leader The Doctor would love to be in again but right now batting zero.[/QUOTE]When I'm ready to let the Tin Soldier play I reach out to 3-4 different ladies whoever responds first gets to let my Tin Soldier hide in her bunker. I don't put all my eggs in one basket, even if I have something set up,(I like early appointments) if when I text if I don't here back in 20-30 minutes I'll start reaching out to other ladies. This works well for me I also have a 3 girl rotation that if someone doesn't show or respond I know one of these girls will as soon as they see my number. I've wasted viagra before it pisses me off enough to not let it happen again. HL29.

There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.

[QUOTE=Rose4192;3736137]There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.[/QUOTE]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her!

[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;3736634]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her![/QUOTE]Without seeing her, I'm willing to guess that's she's very good a jacking men off.

Hello gentleman,

So after my horrific experience back in October I've become much more diligent asking for references. I require at least 2 to meet. Sometimes if your an active senior on here and I can look into your posts then I can do with just one reliable ref. Some girls you guys provide will not get back to me. It's not your fault and it's not mine. So while it may seem that your providing me with references they won't ever get back so I have to wait to hear from someone. Also, some references you provide have no history or no reviews so I have absolutely no idea if I can trust them. I understand that this can be frustrating. It's frustrating for me as well. But for my own peace of mind I have to do it this way. I want to enjoy our session as much as you do, knowing that you are safe helps me to relax. In any event sorry for any frustration my screening process caused and I do hope I can meet you all in the future.

Happy mongering and stay safe!

[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;3736634]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her![/QUOTE]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3737014]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.[/QUOTE]These women who want 150-200 and hour and how many of us have to work how long to make that amount and they want it in an hour. Don't want to hear I have rent, and expenses to pay. So do we You think we just make our money on a printing press to shell out. Hell I paid a woman and her kids 2 over five hundred so they could have a decent Christmas. She supposedly is a MIT and haven't heard back on that one. From now on I get what I want the way I want it or find someone who will provide it for me. Too many ladies who still think $$s in the wallet is worth more than laying on their asses sleeping in and then crying cause they don't have any money for bills food and clothing for them and their kids. It's a FKING BUSINESS and if you can be a friend to a degree even better but GD few clients and providers ever get married so don't get pissed off when you don't have the cash. I know what I want and how I want it. If you want to provide it fine. If not no problem but my dollars will go somewhere else, and it is out there eiher on USASG, CL, EB, the oThER sites or a number of other sites where ladies like the feel of green in their purses. Just lay down for an hour and let's get busy. If we become friends even better. If not nothing gained nothing lost. Game over I got it you want it and you have what I want. That is what it amounts to. Hell if I like you I have been known to take a lady out to dinner just to show my appreciation for services rendered.

Contacted four more for this weekend NO ANSWERS no VM returns. NO SYMPATHY HERE Sorry not being calous just not a TIME WASTER.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3737014]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.[/QUOTE]I have had ladies not meet with me that I really wanted to get together with. This is to relieve stress not create it. I can get that at home. I just chalk it up and move on. Just remember, they have what we all want.

[QUOTE=Rose4192;3736137]There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.

Steve,

I know that what you say about your business practices are true. I know several ladies who think you verification is golden.

Of all of the agencies I have dealt with over my twenty year hobby career yours is one of the best.

Keep doing what you do our is greatly appreciated.

BTB.

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3737342]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3737342]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying Steve. I offered information to Sincy to verify with EE because I've seen several of your girls over the years. She told me you don't do references. Because this is the first time I've had to get references I was led to believe it's not Something you do.

At 140 for a HH I know a lot of other providers who'd love the business including yourself without all the other bs that comes with it.

With all of the talk of various screening processes I wanted to comment. First of all Steve has been great to deal with from all sides of the hobby. I am surprised at the lengths he goes to at times when there is no financial incentive for him. I guess he feels if he helps out, maybe you will remember him next time you have a need.

I happened to see Cinnamon a few times before she changed her requirements. I will say I always had a great time. The biggest reason I do not see her is it is about a 45 minute drive for me. That and the fact my ability to find time to monger has diminished drastically in the last couple of years.

What I consider reasonable you may not. Some ladies have no requirements other than you bring cash. Some want credit card payments in advance. Some want cash plus 3 references, 2 references or one. Some will only accept references from someone they know. Recently we have been talking about some ladies wanting a pic in advance. Then some will only accept validated memberships in certain organizations. Some pussy has no cash requirements but you may need to put in a lot of time and flowers to get it. The point is everything has a price and either you are willing to pay it or not.

A couple of years ago I wanted to see Molly Daniels it never happened. I sent her some references, it did not fit what she wanted and I did not want to put forth extra effort to make the engagement. Who knows. It may have been the worst mistake of my hobby life. She does not generally want reviews but if you do enough checking you will find she has a stellar reputation.

I also thought about seeing Sara Tongue Twister. Once again I did not want to put in the effort, in other words pay the price.

I appreciate all the information here. It saves me time. I am never going to spend time trying to set up a date with someone who wants a pic.

Just like any private enterprise you live and die by the decisions you make. I am never going to go in to Jeff Ruby's and tell him what to charge me. I know it is going to cost and I am willing to pay. If he decides next week to say if you eat here it is going to cost the same money plus, you can only come in with a Tux and shoes that cost a minimum of $600, then I will need to decide if I want to pay the price to eat in his restaurant.

The nice thing about pussy is there is a lot of it around. About half of the population has it. I have seen a lot I would like to have. I have never seen one I could not live with out.

If you do not like their business model do what most of us do in the private sector, we vote with our wallets. I don't care if it is Jeff Ruby's, McDonald's, a streetwalker or a high end escort service. I have the cash and I will decide if and when to spend it depending on what I am getting and or giving up in the process.

Now go have fun.

Fdx.

Long time follower, first time post. I've received some good info from you all hope to return the good times to ya. Will post more shortly. Thanks, be safe.

When it comes to screening, I'm not willing to give out any personal information, period. I understand this has cost me the opportunity to see some wonderful providers. I've been a VIP member of the #1 verification site on the web for several years and I have over 20 provider okays on that site. I have a family and I'm self employed and I'm not going to jeopardize any of that. The only time this has been an issue is with a couple of agencies, however, most agencies have no problem accepting my business after checking me out on that site. My biggest fear is an agency's office gets raided and amongst the other contact info is my contact info with all my personal info. You get the picture. I don't mind giving references, I have many. I understand these agencies wanting to know where they're sending these young ladies, so I don't take it personal or get upset and we've agreeably agreed not to do business. I certainly agree with FDX when he said he's only going to exert so much energy to set something up-there's only so many hoops I'm going to jump through- I had an almost identical experience with Molly, however, Sarah TT was happy to see me and I had a wonderful time, I left her a glowing review on anoThER site and she was kind enough to give me a provider okay and agreed to give a reference if needed. This is an interesting topic and I thought I'd offer my 2 cents. Be safe and have fun, Ace.

[QUOTE=AceJohnson;3737982]When it comes to screening, I'm not willing to give out any personal information, period. I understand this has cost me the opportunity to see some wonderful providers. I've been a VIP member of the #1 verification site on the web for several years and I have over 20 provider okays on that site. I have a family and I'm self employed and I'm not going to jeopardize any of that. The only time this has been an issue is with a couple of agencies, however, most agencies have no problem accepting my business after checking me out on that site. My biggest fear is an agency's office gets raided and amongst the other contact info is my contact info with all my personal info. You get the picture. I don't mind giving references, I have many. I understand these agencies wanting to know where they're sending these young ladies, so I don't take it personal or get upset and we've agreeably agreed not to do business. I certainly agree with FDX when he said he's only going to exert so much energy to set something up-there's only so many hoops I'm going to jump through- I had an almost identical experience with Molly, however, Sarah TT was happy to see me and I had a wonderful time, I left her a glowing review on anoThER site and she was kind enough to give me a provider okay and agreed to give a reference if needed. This is an interesting topic and I thought I'd offer my 2 cents. Be safe and have fun, Ace.[/QUOTE]I never give out personal information. I don't even tell anyone my real first name. I'm fine with giving references, but nothing more than that. My ground rules, along with reading the advice and the reports here have served me very well. I'm going to stick with what works.

[QUOTE=Fdx17;3737837]A couple of years ago I wanted to see Molly Daniels it never happened. I sent her some references, it did not fit what she wanted and I did not want to put forth extra effort to make the engagement. Who knows. It may have been the worst mistake of my hobby life. She does not generally want reviews but if you do enough checking you will find she has a stellar reputation.
[/QUOTE]Stellar reviews that high are not all they are cracked up to be.

Some providers with stellar reps will avoid seeing guys who post honest negative reviews. They will be hard to meet up with, and I've had them ask me about more detail regarding those negative reviews. I had this issue with Molly, and a few much more expensive regional ladies who had all 9's /10's on other boards. Not all of them balked entirely. But nearly all of them asked me about my reasons for leaving non-stellar reviews.

In a long-retired first identity, I used to post a high number of always honest reviews. Many positive, but a few negative and never any raving / stellar reviews. The negatives were not hateful rants. I was forced to retire that handle for other reasons. But prior to all of that, I lost interest in seeing Molly after our interaction. And I was very happy I never wasted my time with her once I saw that old dude's video*.

Did you know that wine subjectively tastes better when we are told it was expensive? Humans are very bad at remaining objective about anything.

Around here, the top tier girls charge 2-3 times the average hourly rate of the middle-tier girls: $300-500. The men who pay these rates have primed themselves to value her highly regardless of the objective experience. Even before dropping the money into the crisp white envelope, they are convinced of their superior selection. They believe she must be "worth it". They think they are better than the peasants who "can't afford" quality and this makes them feel good. They believe that her golden pussy must be safe from the filthy, dirty dicks of those same poor peasant men (she's not, because lots of guys regularly fuck SW and also fuck these higher-priced girls). They tell themselves repeatedly that you get what you pay for, and the hookers they pay repeat this, and they tell each other this on all available platforms. And every negative experience that guys report about on the lower levels is chalked up to "you get what you pay for". Despite all the evidence to the contrary.

All this creates an unspoken pact between the higher priced girls and their adoring clients. The guys who think that paying more means getting "the best" (even though it's artificial and predictable) have a psychological interest in re-affirming this. The girls weed out the guys who don't play into this facade. And the clueless men on the outside take it at face value.

Once I experienced the high-priced-market and learned the truth about the whole thing, I lost all interest in seeing these high-rated girls. Well, that an seeing a number of them and not being impressed. I had better experiences with UTR / non-advertisers. And realized how much YMMV makes non-functional** reviews worthless.

You can't buy chemistry. Financial exclusivity doesn't directly relate to risk analysis. Hoops don't mean the prize is worth the jumping. There's a guy here who's seen some famous porn chicks. He also has gotten STDs from cheap, young barebacking drug addicts working the street and backpage. You have to read between the lines and pay attention, but I have no doubt he barebacks all his dates. I have no doubt he barebacked the expensive and harder to access porn star. And I suspect if he had something serious, he'd still be doing this. He might even become more careless. And I suspect he is not unique in his predilections at all. But that's a separate issue, though related. This business is framed in myths.

It happens here as well, without rated reviews. Some prominent reviewers have a vested interest in you going where they tell you to. Money. Promises. Sometimes just weird little-boy ego.

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* I am sure she has fans here. But what I saw in that video is her working a job and being friendly about it. Not a negative for most guys, but for me it is. I only enjoy women who actually enjoy fucking me on a primitive level. That's not a value judgement of Molly. I've never met her in person. It's like having a competent waitress who wants to do a good job and brings you everything you ask while waiting on a dozen other tables, versus having one who would ditch her job in a second to hop into your car and go for a ride. Even if you never ask her to, that burger tastes much better. Molly might be that for some of her clients. Unless she is all blocked up and can't feel anything. But that video showed me what her business face looked like and confirmed that she's just a jobber like most of the girls who do this for more than a few weeks. Competent, reliable, but not my type.

** Functional reviews focus on the details of setup / location / accuracy of pictures / etc. How much, how long, etc. Saying her location is in a poor part of town, but felt safe is functionally useful. Non-functional reviews focus on the details that are highly subjective. Saying "she gave me the best BBBJ of my life! Or "she has the best ass guys!" Is worthless. It's just shill-bullshit. I don't care. Most likely I don't find her BBBJ to be that great and her ass is probably huge and full of cellulite you over-exclaiming shill. You can write it, and a few weirdos can jerk off to it. But it's not useful to most of us.

[QUOTE=Fdx17;3737837]With all of the talk of various screening processes I wanted to comment. First of all Steve has been great to deal with from all sides of the hobby. I am surprised at the lengths he goes to at times when there is no financial incentive for him. I guess he feels if he helps out, maybe you will remember him next time you have a need.

I happened to see Cinnamon a few times before she changed her requirements. I will say I always had a great time. The biggest reason I do not see her is it is about a 45 minute drive for me. That and the fact my ability to find time to monger has diminished drastically in the last couple of years.

What I consider reasonable you may not. Some ladies have no requirements other than you bring cash. Some want credit card payments in advance. Some want cash plus 3 references, 2 references or one. Some will only accept references from someone they know. Recently we have been talking about some ladies wanting a pic in advance. Then some will only accept validated memberships in certain organizations. Some pussy has no cash requirements but you may need to put in a lot of time and flowers to get it. The point is everything has a price and either you are willing to pay it or not.

A couple of years ago I wanted to see Molly Daniels it never happened. I sent her some references, it did not fit what she wanted and I did not want to put forth extra effort to make the engagement. Who knows. It may have been the worst mistake of my hobby life. She does not generally want reviews but if you do enough checking you will find she has a stellar reputation.

I also thought about seeing Sara Tongue Twister. Once again I did not want to put in the effort, in other words pay the price.

I appreciate all the information here. It saves me time. I am never going to spend time trying to set up a date with someone who wants a pic.

Just like any private enterprise you live and die by the decisions you make. I am never going to go in to Jeff Ruby's and tell him what to charge me. I know it is going to cost and I am willing to pay. If he decides next week to say if you eat here it is going to cost the same money plus, you can only come in with a Tux and shoes that cost a minimum of $600, then I will need to decide if I want to pay the price to eat in his restaurant.

The nice thing about pussy is there is a lot of it around. About half of the population has it. I have seen a lot I would like to have. I have never seen one I could not live with out.

If you do not like their business model do what most of us do in the private sector, we vote with our wallets. I don't care if it is Jeff Ruby's, McDonald's, a streetwalker or a high end escort service. I have the cash and I will decide if and when to spend it depending on what I am getting and or giving up in the process.

Now go have fun.

Fdx.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=ProVid;3738146]
Around here, the top tier girls charge 2-3 times the average hourly rate of the middle-tier girls: $300-500. The men who pay these rates have primed themselves to value her highly regardless of the objective experience. Even before dropping the money into the crisp white envelope, they are convinced of their superior selection. They believe she must be "worth it". They think they are better than the peasants who "can't afford" quality and this makes them feel good. They believe that her golden pussy must be safe from the filthy, dirty dicks of those same poor peasant men (she's not, because lots of guys regularly fuck SW and also fuck these higher-priced girls). They tell themselves repeatedly that you get what you pay for, and the hookers they pay repeat this, and they tell each other this on all available platforms. And every negative experience that guys report about on the lower levels is chalked up to "you get what you pay for". Despite all the evidence to the contrary.

All this creates an unspoken pact between the higher priced girls and their adoring clients. The guys who think that paying more means getting "the best" (even though it's artificial and predictable) have a psychological interest in re-affirming this. The girls weed out the guys who don't play into this facade. And the clueless men on the outside take it at face value.

Once I experienced the high-priced-market and learned the truth about the whole thing, I lost all interest in seeing these high-rated girls. Well, that an seeing a number of them and not being impressed. I had better experiences with UTR / non-advertisers. And realized how much YMMV makes non-functional** reviews worthless.[/QUOTE]I've never saved up for an experience at the "higher end" of the hobby, and your post makes me think that maybe there is no reason to.

I agree with you. Not everyone connects in the same way. I do believe some are just looking for a decent girl who can take a pounding and others are looking for a connection of some sort.

When I do find a girl I can connect with, meaning physically and intimately I tend to see her regularly. However that connection seems to wain over time as most of these ladies can only pretend for a short while. I have had a couple that I feel have had deeper connection to but they meet their Prince and soon after they close up shop.

This is why I ask not if they are GFE or PSE but ONS. Yes ONS = One Night Stand. I want a girl with that kind or fire and excitement. We have all had ONS that have turned into GF but not always. The girls probably don't like this designation as it assumes one and done, no repeating but I feel a ONS can be revisited you just don't see her exclusively or publicly.

Play safe.

JFK.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3738673]I've never saved up for an experience at the "higher end" of the hobby, and your post makes me think that maybe there is no reason to.[/QUOTE]If you want to expand your horizons in the 3-$400 range, check out Flawless Escorts, XO Companions, and Touring Companions. Check EROS or you can google them. They have VERY hot South American and Russian girls coming through town periodically. Nice hotels, squeaky clean, nice lingerie, wine, etc. My experiences have ranged from very attractive to flat out gorgeous (actual Runway model), excellent GFE, and several got quite kinky if you were nice to them and they liked you.

This one has been through Cincy several times. Photos are absolutely real and she knocked my socks off. The boobs are absolutely real, and as they say, " the nicest pair I've ever come across".

[URL]http://www.flawlessescorts.com/model-detail/?id=103[/URL]

Plan on taking a shower when you arrive (the cleaner you get, the dirtier they'll get! I've tried several of the higher priced local talent- Sara TT and Anastasia Rose were in their class, but overall the touring girls were better- my worst experience with them was still damn good.

For $150, you tend to get someone who is high volume with a place that's a dump and stinks of cigarettes. The girls are understandable tired, and get used to guys who are dirty and treat them badly. As the computer programmers used to say, GIGO- garbage in, garbage out.

My $. 02 worth.

The good dr.

I am not sure where to ask about this. Is Solo Brookie still around? Is she the one with EE now? There were too many "Brookies" for a while. I had seen her several times in the past and had a great time but am not sure if she is still around. Sweet southern accent, DD, jet black hair, pretty face and full service. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks CM109.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;3738832]If you want to expand your horizons in the 3-$400 range, check out Flawless Escorts, XO Companions, and Touring Companions. Check EROS or you can google them. They have VERY hot South American and Russian girls coming through town periodically. Nice hotels, squeaky clean, nice lingerie, wine, etc. My experiences have ranged from very attractive to flat out gorgeous (actual Runway model), excellent GFE, and several got quite kinky if you were nice to them and they liked you.

This one has been through Cincy several times. Photos are absolutely real and she knocked my socks off. The boobs are absolutely real, and as they say, " the nicest pair I've ever come across".

[URL]http://www.flawlessescorts.com/model-detail/?id=103[/URL]

Plan on taking a shower when you arrive (the cleaner you get, the dirtier they'll get! I've tried several of the higher priced local talent- Sara TT and Anastasia Rose were in their class, but overall the touring girls were better- my worst experience with them was still damn good.

For $150, you tend to get someone who is high volume with a place that's a dump and stinks of cigarettes. The girls are understandable tired, and get used to guys who are dirty and treat them badly. As the computer programmers used to say, GIGO- garbage in, garbage out.

My $. 02 worth.

The good dr.[/QUOTE]As far as "high end" black girls are concerned, I've been looking at Melanie York. But, again, I don't know if it would be worth saving up. That means I'd miss several encounters with someone like Thalia just to meet her for an hour. Can it really be worth it?

Word has it she got marriad, joined the military and is no longer around. Could be wrong. Just passing info received this weekend.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3738909]As far as "high end" black girls are concerned, I've been looking at Melanie York. But, again, I don't know if it would be worth saving up. That means I'd miss several encounters with someone like Thalia just to meet her for an hour. Can it really be worth it?[/QUOTE]I've seen Laila Cruz- very pretty, great body, pretty good menu (I believe she charges extra for Greek). But I will see SaraTT, Busty Red or Kellie for $ less and have a better time with it. Is being young, black and hot worth the extra for you?

D.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;3739198]I've seen Laila Cruz- very pretty, great body, pretty good menu (I believe she charges extra for Greek). But I will see SaraTT, Busty Red or Kellie for $ less and have a better time with it. Is being young, black and hot worth the extra for you?

D.[/QUOTE]Young, black, and hot? That's pretty much the only thing I'm in this hobby for! LOL.

[QUOTE=ChromeMan109;3738873]I am not sure where to ask about this. Is Solo Brookie still around? Is she the one with EE now? There were too many "Brookies" for a while. I had seen her several times in the past and had a great time but am not sure if she is still around. Sweet southern accent, DD, jet black hair, pretty face and full service. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks CM109.[/QUOTE]She is with EE.

Hello Gents, I'm not a frequenter here or in the hobby the last few years. My last regulars were the great Sasha black and cupcake, since then I have only seen girls a handful of times. I'm here seeking your advice on whom to see first between Brookee with EE or Anna Banana. This will be my first meet in about a year and hope it's memorable. I would like you guys' opinion who will be preferable based on looks, performance, body, and price in that order. I have read a lot reviews here about these ladies already but still not sure. If you like to suggest someone else outside of the two, please feel free.

[QUOTE=ChickaAmante;3740663]Lmao. That's f'ing hilarious!! My reaction exactly!!

CEEnote, that's a huge coincidence dude! I know I know. I'm just trying to make up.

For my absent mindedness all these years.[/QUOTE]I completely missed the humor of my own post so thanks for pointing it out! Yes I have two E's in my user name, however, I am not affiliated in any way with the agency EE! I moved this here so as not to clutter up the review thread with non-review banter.

All of this chatter about EE does remind me though that it has been quite a while since I last saw Brookee so maybe I need to be making an appointment.

[QUOTE=HotCoffee1984;3740475]Hello Gents, I'm not a frequenter here or in the hobby the last few years. My last regulars were the great Sasha black and cupcake, since then I have only seen girls a handful of times. I'm here seeking your advice on whom to see first between Brookee with EE or Anna Banana. This will be my first meet in about a year and hope it's memorable. I would like you guys' opinion who will be preferable based on looks, performance, body, and price in that order. I have read a lot reviews here about these ladies already but still not sure. If you like to suggest someone else outside of the two, please feel free.[/QUOTE]It all depends on what you like. Both girls are legit so see them both and decide which you like better. I'd add Lacey Foxx into your mix as well, I think everyone should see her at least once or 10 times.

Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I plab on smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3741290]Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I plab on smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?[/QUOTE]Spray Febreeze for any odor absorbing fabrics or porous surfaces. Occasional Febreeze candles to eliminate and lingering odors in the air.

Bam.

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3741290]Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I plab on smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?[/QUOTE]Sells a product called odor ban! It works rather well. Fresh air helps a lot to. If possible spray and vent the area.

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3741290]Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I plab on smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?[/QUOTE][URL]https://dengarden.com/cleaning/How-to-Get-Rid-of-Smoke-Smell[/URL]

I know white vinegar is good for pet and smoke smells. Never tried spreading baking soda or bowls of charcoal, but it makes sense.

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3741290]Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I plab on smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?[/QUOTE]ODOR XIT is supposed to be a fine product. Never have used it, but, people swear by it.

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3741290]Hey all!

Hope everything is great! Jut have a quick question. I'm a smoker and well have noticed my new place does have a small cigg smell and that just won't do! I pla n smoking outside from her on BUT what would be easiest way to get this smell out?[/QUOTE]Chloe Starr has some machine that is a "smoke eater"- I'm super sensitive but couldn't smell any smoke whatsoever. By the way, thank you for working on this- smoke is both a major turnoff for me, and a red flag when I come home. I've had to stop seeing several providers I really liked because of this. You will increase your appeal- good move!

The good dr.