"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Brian139;1779989]Thanks for the story sire. Good that you wife was not of the type "once a cheater, always a cheater" LOL. Little does she know that how true is this saying.[/QUOTE]As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather. Don't kid yourself we're all part of the same hypocrisy. To use a couple of Sub Cmnders sayings they're all garden tools (and I'm including anyone's wife or girlfriend). You are always (or 99% of the time) going to pay something. Even if your in the dating world it's drinks or lunch or dinner or something (sometimes multiple dates). Especially when your over 40 yrs old like me. I think when I was in my 20's I had some girls that I literally didn't buy them even a drink and got laid. But then again if you can't get laid in your 20's your pretty pathetic. My CPO with my wife is extremely high (thousands of $$$ per). So I try to keep my CPO is these other areas much lower to make up for it. Why do I cheat? Because there are hot young babes out there and I can. I have girls at work and my wife's friends that always hitting on me. I stay away because that can never end well. This way I pay a SB and I'm upfront that it is not a long term thing. It is a no drama fun time. I treat them right. At the very minimum the "do no harm" mantra. Even though they are garden tools. I'm a horny dirty bastard. So I treat them well.

That comment got me thinking since I'm a recent transplant from So. Cal. To Richmond. If you look at the first report on this thread, it seems that a Richmonder was the first to post about his SB curiosity. I suppose the better question is why are so many from around the country posting on Richmond's site. I agree that the accumulated knowledge of the tribe makes for a much more informative and valuable thread, but certainly we can be grateful for those in Richmond who initiated this gem.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1779427]Good to see you on the thread BikeRider. Tech from international experience will no doubt be useful to us all. It's just a fluke this thread is on the Richmond board and we're lucky to have attracted over time some very experienced players from all over the country.[/QUOTE]

Update on Chatter box who I posted earlier was a 10/10/10/10, if you apply the Face / body / personality / skills formula. The new numbers are in at 10/10/8/10 and here is what went down. I text her to see how her weekend was and no answer so I follow that text a few hours later with a cancellation of our get together this Friday. She responds right then saying things are not good. Come to find out she got an eviction notice. If she doesn't come up with the money then she gets kicked out in a week. I'm thinking it will take an astronomical amount to get her in right standings, turns out they want to evict her over $275. If she doesn't come up with at least 150 by days end, she can't stay there & 125 due in a week. I broke protocol and wired some help. I even tried to pay over the phone with a gift card in case I was being deceived but they only accepted cashiers check, so me being 5 hours away didn't have many options. If indeed I got deceived, she will further damage her personality ranks. If the whole situation was legit then she is a keeper because we are scheduled for Thursday and based on her texts saying " Just left the office goodness did I get myself in a huge mess this time! Thank you so much! U have no idea I would have been homeless if not for your sexy ass you are so amazing I can not thank you enough! Now I can live there for the month of June haha. I owe you!" She is not from the area since she is there for school and she doesn't know too many people there. Thursday will make or break this one. I didn't hesitate to advance the sugar here and help out because they left a pretty good impression after our first meeting.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1781056]I broke protocol and wired some help.[/QUOTE]I have made advance payments with mixed results. It's definitely a crap shoot, but this one sounds positive.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1780446]Just Game.[/QUOTE]I may try that. I always worry about girls that are attached in a so called serious relationship that are stepping out. The sneaking around part does not turn me on. But the quality level you allude to sounds interesting.

Let me start by saying I have followed this thread from the beginning and have enjoyed the refreshingly intelligent conversation and valuable information.

This is my first post in a few years, as I find some previous posts on Google.

Those of us in RIC know this is still a very small town at heart. Eventually, someone you know will see you with your SB.

I make sure my SB's have some sort of working relationship with me when we are out in public. Some are "consulting" or helping me arrange for subcontractors on one of my jobs.

We were attending the BM concert recently (yes, I'm that age) and walking up the isle was one of my MILF's from SDFM. That "oh, shit" feeling is something I would not want to repeat! She continued up the isle and the usher examined her ticket. Her seat was literally next to mine! She smiled and said hello in a subtle way. Rather than sit through the concert in complete discomfort, I introduced them and mentioned MILF was helping me with a project. Imagine meeting you here! Such a small world. Sit back and enjoy the music of the 70's.

Oh, shit.

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1; 1779698]I've had four separate guys PM me to ask how I got caught by the wife during my fling with Braizillian SB I mentioned last week on this thread. So here goes. I'll try not to make too long.

I have been hobbying since 2003 (escorts and massage). I met Brazillian SB (BSB) in 2007 and got caught in March 2008. I was pretty active on the 2 major review boards and used a user name at the time that was the same on those boards plus this site (also the defunct CLR). Also my email I was using was the same user nameathotmail. Not really smart back then when it came to layering things. I also hobbied with my regular cell phone (had no separate hobby phone). My wife was (and thankfully still is.) really dumb when it comes to technology stuff.

On the evening I got caught we went out to dinner with a business associate / friend of ours. After dinner we went by my office which was nearby. We were talking and he said hey do you want to see pics of my new girlfriend. Sure. Go onto * (that tells you how long ago this was). As I typed the website in it came up and my hobby email was already populated in the username box. I had just joined * and had one friend (you guessed it.) BSB. She told me to sign up to * and friend her and I would see kinds of hot pics of her. So my wife saw the login page briefly and saw there was a different email than my usual one. I closed it quickly but she said what was that? We started arguing my friend left and we were still there. She started to cry and kept asking me what was going on? I had to think quick. If she got a hold of that email and did a google search all of my escort review activities and everything would be right there for her to see. My family reputation, my family life, my professional career were all in the air. I copped to the affair with the BSB hoping it would send her off on a tangent and by me time.

Thankfully, it worked. The next few days sucked. I tried to be like a duck. Looked calm as shit above water, but below water my feet were paddling like a SOB. I was contacting every site changing my usernames. Mixing up my passwords. Deleting emails. Deleting telephone numbers. Wiping my computer clean. Thankfully she never came back to insisting I show her what that different email address was. I told her I would break it off with the BSB. She said she didn't believe me. I told I would do it over speakerphone and she could be there. I did just that. My kids were (ages 3 and 1) really young at the time and I didn't want to mess up life for them. I get along really great with my wife. She is a good lady and very funny. We have a lot of fun and a great life in every way but the bed. She is great at it (best head I've ever had in my life, and I've had close to 200). However, ever since the kids her desire is way down and we just don't have it often enough for me.

I learned a lot from the experience. Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1781127]I may try that. I always worry about girls that are attached in a so called serious relationship that are stepping out. The sneaking around part does not turn me on. But the quality level you allude to sounds interesting.[/QUOTE]The quality in looks is there. You just have to work on it. One big difference I've noticed between AM and SD4M is that you can find professional career women on AM. I'm still in early discussions with an African American Professor. She's been a tough nut though as she's super busy. I'm also in the early stages with an Asian medical doctor. The doctor is 34 and looks hotter than KAL. So far she's cam'd with me, sent pics, and we've had lunch. The next meeting I should be able to FC and put her into the rotation.

The big differences between SD4M and AM are:

-SD4M has better looking and younger women in general. AM has them. It just takes MUCH longer to find them.

-SD4M the male clearly has the advantage (my reply ratio to emails is close to 90% I think) , and I've lots of unsolicited emails. Whereas on AM, my reply ratio is probably around 10-20.

-AM has some career / college graduates. I'd say it is probably about 50/50. Although YMMV depending on the area.

-AM has women that don't care about sugar. A few years back I was even a pseudo sugar baby. I met a woman in NY who was the wife of some mega-millionaire. I still paid for dinner (she tried though) , but she always covered the room and usually showed up with something from Hermes or such.

-The majority of women on AM are married. Although there are a number of singles either just looking for NSA or sugar.

It is really all about choices. And what you're seeking. I tend to like having conversations on a variety of subjects. And I'm finding that hard with the women from SD4M (see next post).

[QUOTE=ICantGetNo;1780868]That comment got me thinking since I'm a recent transplant from So. Cal. To Richmond. If you look at the first report on this thread, it seems that a Richmonder was the first to post about his SB curiosity. I suppose the better question is why are so many from around the country posting on Richmond's site. I agree that the accumulated knowledge of the tribe makes for a much more informative and valuable thread, but certainly we can be grateful for those in Richmond who initiated this gem.[/QUOTE]I was near Richmond for a few days and had come off a series of bad escort and CL experiences. I started posting about sbs on another thread as a follow up to whining about a Richmond CL posting. The thread participants took offense at my posting about topics not directly related to the thread's stated subject, so I started a new thread. I first heard about sd4me from a Obxfun (I think thats it) who had tried a couple times to get let mongers know the benefits."These girls haven't a clue," is what he said. The others on the existing Richmond threads didn't like his off subject posting either. So thats how this thread started in Richmond, not that it makes much difference. I agree others in the Richmond area provided much useful and interesting input. I believe they still do. But the thread now has national participation and seems to be pretty much self sufficient. None of this would have been possible without usasg and Jackson, of course, and Scott's posts attracted a large following of posters who might never have been interested in the kind of coarse and vulgar aspects of sex I like to post about. He really built the thread up, in my opinion. Now we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1780446]Just Game. AM does have some women on it that ask for sugar, but I've avoided them. The vast majority of them just want either sex, or a lover (relationship). The tough part is avoiding the sticky ones that want to be exclusive with you. Having said this. You can't be cheap. I don't bring them to McDonalds, and we don't shag at a Motel 6.

The women I'm currently seeing have never asked for sugar. The MILFs usually just want to meet in a hotel room (Courtyard level) , and shag. I usually bring a nice bottle of wine or Patron with some snacks. The staffer and I usually have a great dinner / wine and then to a nice hotel. The flight attendant and I do the same. Wine and dine. We've had a few vacations together too (at my expense). I've given her (besides the normal be-day / Christmas) a few random gifts over the years. She's probably given me more gifts though. She's always showing up with high-end clothes for me. Maybe she doesn't like the way I dress!

I cancelled my M&G with the Asia Carrera look alike today. Something just didn't seem right. I normally don't meet until there is some significant chemistry and sexual tension built up. This gives me about an 80% F-close on the first meet. My spidey senses were tingling with her so I bailed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.

Very interesting, thanks for the background. I feel the love as well. Keep it up! (pun intended)

[QUOTE=Literal2;1781402]I was near Richmond for a few days and had come off a series of bad escort and CL experiences. I started posting about sbs on another thread as a follow up to whining about a Richmond CL posting. The thread participants took offense at my posting about topics not directly related to the thread's stated subject, so I started a new thread. I first heard about sd4me from a Obxfun (I think thats it) who had tried a couple times to get let mongers know the benefits."These girls haven't a clue," is what he said. The others on the existing Richmond threads didn't like his off subject posting either. So thats how this thread started in Richmond, not that it makes much difference. I agree others in the Richmond area provided much useful and interesting input. I believe they still do. But the thread now has national participation and seems to be pretty much self sufficient. None of this would have been possible without usasg and Jackson, of course, and Scott's posts attracted a large following of posters who might never have been interested in the kind of coarse and vulgar aspects of sex I like to post about. He really built the thread up, in my opinion. Now we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy;1781404]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention one other issue with AM and that is it is expensive! You have to buy credits, and chat costs 50 credits for an hour. Email costs 5 credits and you mark it priority for an extra 5. You pay regardless if the woman answers. A 1000 credits cost $250 I think. And you can easily blow through them. The only nice thing is that you can turn-off your profile for months and your credits don't disappear.

The male to female ratio is much higher as well. I've one friend who claims to get about 50 emails a day. Why I typically pay the extra 5 credits for a priority message, and I also try to stick to chat.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Literal2;1781402].we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.[/QUOTE]Lit, my friend,

I'm misting up myself. It has been a wonderful ride so far, hasn't it? Tally ho, my brothers!

I have an m&g chalked in for Friday with a captivating blonde who has a very naughty train of thought, I must say. We have been emailing and texting for weeks now, searching ardently for a crossing of schedules. I am assured that if I don't totally fuck things up, I will be totally fucking [I]her[/I] after a drink or two. I've done my due dillegence, and she appears not to be a working girl, in the classic sense, but merely an HYB who has discovered the benefits of an older, more skilled gentleman's attentions. Hooray for me, I say. As has been commented upon, these babies are a breed apart. They are like guys, but with pussies, in that they just love to fuck. If the situation were reversed, and women were paying [I]us[/I] to fuck [I]them[/I], wouldn't we all be millionaires?

On another matter, I have been idly amusing myself by collecting the most absurd names from scam emails I have been getting, and I just want to share them for the amusement of the clubhouse. I swear on all the panties I have caused to fall to the floor that they are all true; well, at least as sent to me. As I said before, I [I]wish[/I] I were this creative.

Yuhas Spradling.

Circle Mcravin (my personal favorite. Being Irish, I think I had a great aunt with this name)

Prashad Duch

Syring Dayan.

Sprenger Paris.

Sprenger Glade

Sprenger Edelbrock (a popular first name, apparently)

Montis Hesseltine

Bulleri Ingegner (I'm not even sure how to pronounce this one)

Crounse Cartagena (runner up for favorite. I may actually reply to her, just so I can add her to my contact list)

Ruggle Beltron (I thought this was a character Vim Diesel played. How far he has fallen. Sad really)

Delawder Martnez

Thibodeaux Bourgoyne.

Durphey Bourgoyne

Riva Bourgoyne.

Wiedeman Bourgoyne (sisters, apparently, or a mother / daughter fuck fest. Either way, I'm all in!)

I'm trying to imagine what foreign country these are all coming from, and what they are using to generate these names.

Well, tattooed baby has been landed. It took little effort but I really do think that's half the fun (okay maybe 20%). I am awaiting her arrival as I write this for our second round. The first was excellent! We've agreed on $.5 a visit for now, although I confess I'm in a little deeper than that because I'm a sucker for a hard luck story. I helped her out a little extra for the first meeting, but did talk with her about it and will be monitoring that situation closely. As long as we continue to have fun and her needs don't get too out of line, I think we could have a good run.

Several days after running into nursing student I had not heard from her so I feared the worst. I sent her another text, asking if she wanted to get together before I head out of town for the week on Monday, and we are on for Sunday night! This will be another dinner date, no sugar expected. My take on her is she is truly an amateur and is flirting with this whole idea. I will continue to try and ease her mind. She is really busy with school right now so this may take a while.

The older sexy latina was cut loose. She was very sultry in appearance but it just didn't carry over to the bedroom.

The other few potentials I had seem to have mostly blown away. I'm not to prepared to handle 5 or 6 like some of you guys so I haven't been pressing on responses that I got that didn't seem likely to go anywhere. The only one I am still thinking about says she is a nanny, and has had one SD before. Her texts are brief to the point of terseness, and that has put me off. I am still thinking about it because she is a 23 yo Caucasian 9/9, and she has pressed to meet a couple of times in the last few days. I haven't been able to work it into the schedule yet and just have a feeling that she's either going to be very unrealistic in her expectations or very businesslike after the arrangement is made.

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy;1781404]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.[/QUOTE]Let us know how you find AM. I think its a lot harder. But clearly worth the effort when you succeed.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1781565]I forgot to mention one other issue with AM and that is it is expensive! You have to buy credits, and chat costs 50 credits for an hour. Email costs 5 credits and you mark it priority for an extra 5. You pay regardless if the woman answers. A 1000 credits cost $250 I think. And you can easily blow through them. The only nice thing is that you can turn-off your profile for months and your credits don't disappear.

The male to female ratio is much higher as well. I've one friend who claims to get about 50 emails a day. Why I typically pay the extra 5 credits for a priority message, and I also try to stick to chat.

Good luck![/QUOTE]AM has an email blast to an area feature that I'd like to see on sd4m. When I tried AM, I used it a couple times without success but it has potential. I still have some credits there. If the girl doesn't need sugar you can do a lot of emailing on AM and still save money.

You have probably noticed by now that on sd4m a lot of the emails you get at first are phony. I'm not sure what the true male-female ratio is. Their marketing claims many more women than men but the sbs I know well tell me their screens fill up with emails faster than they can read them.