Disingenuous Sugar Babies
Years ago, when I was much younger, I used to frequent a reddit forum about sugaring. I had no idea what I was doing so I was looking for insight. Instead, what I found were mostly one-sided conversations about how women could get as much money from men as possible and ceaseless complaints about how men on the site are garbage. Offering counter points was usually shouted down and the few men that did chime in, usually gave fairy tale accounts about how they'd give their SB's everything she could ever want and he NEVER expected intimacy. The whole thing was laughable to me. Of course, I can only speak to my personal experiences and what SB's have told me during our interactions. And that forum just didn't reflect reality.
You were immediately downvoted into oblivion if you were to bring up any of the following topics:
-Women seeking out arrangements with the explicit goal of never providing sugar.
-Women who were using Seeking for a steady rotation of free meals and paid M&G's.
-Women who would berate men for not immediately agreeing to insane requests.
-Women who use Seeking to find informal ways of getting large personal loans that they don't qualify for through traditional means.
-Women who claim to be SB's but absolutely do NOT want to hear from you unless it involves you paying them.
-Women who aren't interested in being seen with you and in many cases can't stand you, but will begrudgingly agree to interactions.
-The number of PROS working on the site.
-Content sellers who have no intention of meeting up.
-Women whose lives were falling apart due to their own actions and expected a stranger to up and save them with little notice.
(Please, before anyone gets upset: Over half of the things listed above were told to me DIRECTLY from women. If you've done this long enough, women will spill the beans.).
Conversely, I make no claims that men aren't on the site using it improperly. It would be ridiculous to say such a thing. We're all aware of men trying to get free dates. We're all aware of men who harass women on the site. We're all aware of that fact that women are putting themselves in situations that may result in traumatic experiences or assault. None of those things are condoned. In fact, I've often seen men on this forum warning against men mistreating women, up to and including specific members being called out. Sure there is room for improvement, but there does seem to be some level of self-policing.
Additionally, I can't lie, many of my experiences with SB's have benefitted from the fact that I treated them BETTER than other men have. And it wasn't like I did anything extraordinary, I just wasn't a jerk. That's it. I also immediately block any profiles with the words 'heiress', 'princess', 'duchess', 'brat' or 'muse'. Too often this is just code for: 'pay me, don't touch me. '.
I realize that we're all just attempting to make it to the next day, week, month or year. I get that. But I hate that in some places, it can't be discussed that women are also part of the problem when it comes to exploiting SA. I have to head to Vegas for a 5 day conference in about a month, and the stories of stupidity in the Vegas forum often blow my mind. Stories such as, 'I expect 5 K a month and I don't want to text unless it's the day of the meet' and 'I want someone to fund my life so I don't have to and don't expect sugar' are not uncommon.
Can't we just agree that there are people on both sides of the site that want to game the system and get what they want with as little effort / expense as possible?
Please don't mistake this for a post about being critical of women in general. It's not. It's about us not being able to have honest conversations about the world of sugaring. If someone can't level with me like a human being, I walk. I'm tired of people giving delusional and dishonest accounts of the sugaring world without being honest about 'their side', men or women.
If a guy can be berated for 'wanting to get laid', a woman can get the same for 'wanting to get paid to do nothing'. Or is that asking too much?
(my apologies for the long, rambling post. I'm nailing down the final details on my business trip and wanted to build in a little fun during my down time, and some of the posts from the Vegas forum got to me.).
SB and SDM on account of no choice
[QUOTE=Ral613;6302120]I'm not going to wade into the "which is cheaper" discussion. I've had decent experiences on both, and a bit on WYP. There are many, many many fake and / or non-local profiles on every site. Some are obvious in the verbiage / syntax ("downtown", "the city", European date formats, etc.), or a lack of photos that even hint at a local scene (e. G. 12 pictures in desert or snow). In every case you have to be somewhat entertained by the process / search. When you come across another real, non-pro (there are easier ways to find pros if that's your thing) that seems interesting even when thinking with your big head. It's a bonus.
SA allows you to canvass as many contacts as you want (hoping to weed out the fakes, scammers, etc.) for a fixed fee. It does seem to be the more "high brow" of the two, so you may get more of the high-end lifestyle requests.
SB forces you to be a bit more intentional since you pay per action. Sticking with verified profiles, "liking" profiles and seeing if they visit your profile, watching profiles to see if they are actually active on a daily / weekly basis, and being more thoughtful in messages (since you are paying to send. Vs SA where you can sometimes default to throwaway one-liners just to see if they are read) all probably help. There seems to be a wave of old / familiar profiles suddenly back on SB (around new year) - not sure is that is real or padded activity.
If something looks genuine and interesting on WYP, I'll sometimes drop $50 or $100 for an initial meet and greet just out of curiosity or for entertainment purposes (like playing slots. Unlikely to win, but can be entertaining to play).[/QUOTE]I have been permanently banned from SA and WYP (same ownership). I worked around the exclusion several times but always got caught several months later and lost the monthly fee. The exclusion always occurred right after payment. I contested the reasons for getting removed but never got reconsideration for forgiveness.
IMHO SA has the best selection and I had good luck with it in many locations.
As a substitute I joined SB, SDM. And AM. AM is not worth the time in the locations I have been in during the past two years. SB has gotten better in the last two years with a relatively low hit rate. I have found new members with video verification are your best bet. The others are recycled continuously with a note online now. You can waste alot of credits searching this group. You can visit admirers, favorites, visitors with a higher hit rate. Female initiated messages provide another higher hit rate. With SB I get 1000 credits with a bonus of 1000 credits. Each initial message is 10 credits, 10 credits to view secret pics (waste) and 10 credits to boost a message to the top.
Sugar Daddie Meet (SDM) provides fewer candidates but my hit rate has been much higher on SDM than SB. The charge is for 6 months with unlimited messages.
I am satisfied with SDM with SB but would try SA again if they ever offered forgiveness.
Traveling Coast to Peaks forever.
