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[QUOTE=Orlando J]If Tinaa was right more than half the dealers would have been busted by now. They are always switching hotel room. I believe Nemodc and Malabar are right.

[size=-2][i]I am not a lawyer and this is not a legal advice[/i][/size][/QUOTE]I had this checked by a friend of mine who is a lawyer. He said that by law the owner and named on the lease is the person who gives consent to the officers to enter the premises. This would be you renting/leasing a house, apartment or condo you are safe. If you are paying for a hotel room you have rights of privacy until a formal complain is made to the police by the owner/manager of the apartment. Another thing I found interesting is the owner/manager must be present at time of search. To protect his and his customers interest (the person who called the cops on you is protecting your interests from the cops lol).

So with what I was told Tinaa looks to be correct on what she is saying. He said in a hotel room you are only paying for x amount of nights/night lodging. You have rights of privacy unless a complaint is made and police are called by owners or caretakers of the hotel. This was explained to me as a way for the hotels to protect the property they own. To me it sounds like a green light in any situation to be harassed.

The reason more people are not busted is some are very good at hiding what they are doing and some owners/managers could care less what you are doing as long as you are paying for your visit. They are businessman looking for a buck!

also very difficult to believe. I rent a motel room-- I effectively OWN that room for the period of the rental.

A motel manager/owner being able to make a complaint and then grant permission and authority to enter MY property (for whatever reason) goes about a million percent against what my cum laude JD classes taught me.

Fair warning, Florida may have some dumb assed unconstitutional statute that I am not aware of-- I never did bar or practice here.

Nemo


this is not a legal advice but id argue it to any judge anywhere and have some reasonable confidence of a favorable ruling






[QUOTE=Mikaeles]I had this checked by a friend of mine who is a lawyer. He said that by law the owner and named on the lease is the person who gives consent to the officers to enter the premises. This would be you renting/leasing a house, apartment or condo you are safe. If you are paying for a hotel room you have rights of privacy until a formal complain is made to the police by the owner/manager of the apartment. Another thing I found interesting is the owner/manager must be present at time of search. To protect his and his customers interest (the person who called the cops on you is protecting your interests from the cops lol).

So with what I was told Tinaa looks to be correct on what she is saying. He said in a hotel room you are only paying for x amount of nights/night lodging. You have rights of privacy unless a complaint is made and police are called by owners or caretakers of the hotel. This was explained to me as a way for the hotels to protect the property they own. To me it sounds like a green light in any situation to be harassed.

The reason more people are not busted is some are very good at hiding what they are doing and some owners/managers could care less what you are doing as long as you are paying for your visit. They are businessman looking for a buck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nemodc]also very difficult to believe. I rent a motel room-- I effectively OWN that room for the period of the rental.

A motel manager/owner being able to make a complaint and then grant permission and authority to enter MY property (for whatever reason) goes about a million percent against what my cum laude JD classes taught me.

Fair warning, Florida may have some dumb assed unconstitutional statute that I am not aware of-- I never did bar or practice here.

Nemo

This is not a legal advice but id argue it to any judge anywhere and have some reasonable confidence of a favorable ruling[/QUOTE]You also have to remember what can they charge you with? The only thing that can be done from what I understand is see if any drugs are in the room if they are your stupid! Any damage done to the property of the room that is owned by the motel. They can't check your pockets or bags and it is no ones business what you are doing in the hotel. If they asked me I would tell them I am sharing the room with my friend. If they seen a condom I would say we are friends with benefits do you prefer we have unportected sex?

In florida, leo is allowed to expose himself but not allowed to perform sexual acts. Vice will however do pretty much allowed to do whatever they want to do as well as Narc's.

From knowledge I tell you this from another state happened. Vice did come in and immediately "got comfortable" completely! Vice does perform sexual acts to completion and they do arrest you afterwards. Many states are changing the laws because of the craigslist stigmata. Do not ever assume vice won't get comfortable, be cool or go past first. Vice will in fact say after they are done " I love my job, I picked you because your sexy and this or that about you makes my _____ hard".

Tinaa they do have to have a warrant to proceed with search and arrest if you live in a private residence. However, if your operating a business such as advertising massages, companionship etc. Out of your house they don't have to have a warrant to book an appointment. They can come to an appt and this will be one of the men who doesn't stay they make an excuse after a few minutes. Vice can also send a person who isn't a cop but gives info.

All they have to do is book an appointment and get probable cause that something is going on and they will send someone on appt #2. On this appt, they will run the sting and they will take your computer, search your house way worse than a hotel sting.




[QUOTE=Vino 7373]Hi Ariel,

It's "Bill, " I had a dream about you last Monday night. How about that shit? I give you some accurate, stellar reviews, rightfully put you in the Real Deal thread, and some dirtbag flames my post and trashes you. I hope you flagged his phone number to make sure that you never see his sorry ass again.

On a different note that the dirtbag brought up. You've got to do a LEO check whith all first-time clients. It's only a matter of time before you get visited. The wording is critical: simply ask the guy when he first walks in to allow you to examine his equipment with your hand. When he pulls down his pants, go ahead and fondle him. Then you make a joke about seeing how much hair he has on his chest, then run your hand underneath his shirt to check and see if he's "got something there he shouldn't have." If you get any bad feelings about him, he starts hesitating, or tries to talk about s*x before the LEO check is done, tell him there's a misunderstanding and make him leave immediately. The BS about him spouting off that's he's not a c*p is crap. I've had the jewelry put on me before and they'll do just about anything to get you to say the magic phrase for them, "s*x for money, " or allude to it.

Be safe, you rock, and I hope to see you soon, sweetheart! You can PM me when you get the chance.[/QUOTE]

1st- Not everything goes by the book. I will give an example; in Canada prostitution is legal but the majority of girls do not know. Some cities have signs of "this community does not tolerate prostitution and an 800 number to report a John". This completely contradicts with the law. How can they do it? They bend the law by incriminating other activities. In this case the community has its own law.
2nd- Another thing not all police officers follow the law. It helps to know your rights but this does not mean that police officers are 100% following the law. You have probably seen or been through many violations. There are those outrageous violation taped on videos that end the officer career.
3rd- Many times, you give up your own rights either not knowing or under the pressure.
Real life situations are not textbook examples.
[QUOTE=Mikaeles]If they seen a condom I would say we are friends with benefits do you prefer we have unportected sex?[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? Who cares about a condom or condoms? The police won't check on rooms for simple prostitution cases. Otherwise more than half of Orlando hotels will be empty :).

[QUOTE=Mikaeles]I had this checked by a friend of mine who is a lawyer. He said that by law the owner and named on the lease is the person who gives consent to the officers to enter the premises. This would be you renting/leasing a house, apartment or condo you are safe. If you are paying for a hotel room you have rights of privacy until a formal complain is made to the police by the owner/manager of the apartment. Another thing I found interesting is the owner/manager must be present at time of search. To protect his and his customers interest (the person who called the cops on you is protecting your interests from the cops lol).[/QUOTE]I think there are two issues here
1) Whether or not an officer could search the room successfully based soley on permission given by the manager
2) Whether or not officers would come into the room and create a lot of problems for you by arresting you, interviewing you etc.

As to (1) I think the answer is clearly no - all the case law I could find require officers to get search warrants in order to search a hotel room - just as they would any other temporary or permanent residence - and to demonstrate probable cause. A complaint from the owner/manager could easily provide that probable cause, but if an officer appears at the door of your hotel, ask for a warrant, if they don't have one don't let them in.

As to (2) I think the answer is clearly yes. Although a warrant is needed to search the room and get evidence against you, the manager and an officer could come to your room and kick you out. Thus, I think that Tinna is right about the manager being able to do this based on Florida Statues 509.141. This statute permits operators of hotels to remove guests for a variety of reasons including some vague ones like a guest "who indulges in any language or conduct which disturbs the peace and comfort of other guests " or "who, in the opinion of the operator, is a person the continued entertainment of whom would be detrimental to such establishment." Notice that the "in the opinion of the operator" gives quite a bit of latitude. The operator must only give notice they want them out and refund the money and return all their personal property. Furthermore, Subsection (4) provides that "It is the duty of such law enforcement officer, upon the request of such operator, to place under arrest and take into custody for violation of this section any guest who [remains or attempts to remain after being requested to leave] in the presence of the officer."

Thus a smart operator who wanted to kick someone out would call the police, go to the room with the police and notify the guest in person that they want them to leave. Then if the guest refuses to leave in the presence of the officer, they have committed a misdemeanor and the officer can arrest them without a warrant.

The long and short is that you could be legally arrested for a 2nd degree misdemeanor for refusing to leave, although it would be much harder to go after you for any activities you were doing - as their would be illegal search issues.

If this happened to me I'd politely say that I'm sorry that the manager thinks I need to leave, I'm happy to do so. Please respect my privacy by remaining outside the hotel room while I gather my things and leave. Always indicating that I intend to comply, but not saying anything that would be construed to give them permission to enter into the room. I'd also probably turn on my cell phones recording feature in case they tried to come in the room anyway. Depnding on the situation, I may also throw in, "The manager's only doing this because I'm white and I came in here with a Hispanic girl, he's racist, and doesn't like mixed couples. I'm leaving, but this is discrimination." etc. Since basing the removal on race is not allowed, this may create issues of doubt for the officer, and if you're willing to leave they'd probably just let you go peacefully to be done with it - or face a bunch of paperwork.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Nemodc]very difficult to believe. When you rent a room, hotel, motel, etc by the day, week or month, you are purchasing the exclusive rights to use that space. Inherent in this is the right to exclude other persons. This gives you an expectation of privacy, and such expectation is one that I am confident society finds reasonable. Based on that, without a valid warrant or recognized exception to the warrant requirement, I do not believe LEO can enter OVER THE RENTER'S objections.

I am not saying Tinaa is wrong, just that I find it extremely difficult to believe. If she has some authority I would really like to see it.

Nemo[/QUOTE]Hotel/motel law, which is clearly posted in every room [usually on the back of the door]will refute this. Landowners can enter based on any complaint or to make repairs check on pipes etc [usually a false report] also in the entire state of florida there is NO entrapment law. Which means not only can the police say they are not the police they can use decoys or confidential informants ALSO pc or probable cause can be used to get inside your room say the officer says he smelled pot or heard yelling. Why do I know this info because I am entering school in the fall to be a paralegal.

[QUOTE=Vertrag]
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If this happened to me I'd politely say that I'm sorry that the manager thinks I need to leave, I'm happy to do so. Please respect my privacy by remaining outside the hotel room while I gather my things and leave. Always indicating that I intend to comply, but not saying anything that would be construed to give them permission to enter into the room. I'd also probably turn on my cell phones recording feature in case they tried to come in the room anyway. Depnding on the situation, I may also throw in, "The manager's only doing this because I'm white and I came in here with a Hispanic girl, he's racist, and doesn't like mixed couples. I'm leaving, but this is discrimination." etc. Since basing the removal on race is not allowed, this may create issues of doubt for the officer, and if you're willing to leave they'd probably just let you go peacefully to be done with it - or face a bunch of paperwork.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
Well written report. Thanks.
All I want to say is most people do not know the details of the law. I have worked as a hotel receptionist for few months and I did not know these details.
It is important to know that individuals behave as part of the community culture. Thus the example of Canada.
On the other hand, police officers do not abide by the law all the time and there is always room for interpretations. What if the police officer invented a fake probable cause to make the arrest!

Look up Florida Statue 777.201:

777.201 Entrapment.--

(1) A law enforcement officer, a person engaged in cooperation with a law enforcement officer, or a person acting as an agent of a law enforcement officer perpetrates an entrapment if, for the purpose of obtaining evidence of the commission of a crime, he or she induces or encourages and, as a direct result, causes another person to engage in conduct constituting such crime by employing methods of persuasion or inducement which create a substantial risk that such crime will be committed by a person other than one who is ready to commit it.

(2) A person prosecuted for a crime shall be acquitted if the person proves by a preponderance of the evidence that his or her criminal conduct occurred as a result of an entrapment. The issue of entrapment shall be tried by the trier of fact.


It clearly states a person can be aquitted if he/she proves they were entrapped. So why do you think Florida didn't have an Entrapment law?

As for as the police saying they are not police.....that has been a huge misconception......cops have to say "they are no cops" while undercover if not then there covers would always be blown. I never found a law stating the contrary....I did find a nice article that speaks about this "urban legend" that undercover cops need to reveal their true identities......check it out:

[url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/998952/legal_urban_legends_debunked_whether.html[/url]


Hope this is useful




[QUOTE=Tinaa]Hotel/motel law, which is clearly posted in every room [usually on the back of the door]will refute this. Landowners can enter based on any complaint or to make repairs check on pipes etc [usually a false report] also in the entire state of florida there is NO entrapment law. Which means not only can the police say they are not the police they can use decoys or confidential informants ALSO pc or probable cause can be used to get inside your room say the officer says he smelled pot or heard yelling. Why do I know this info because I am entering school in the fall to be a paralegal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=True Critic69]Look up Florida Statue 777.201:

777.201 Entrapment.--

(1) A law enforcement officer, a person engaged in cooperation with a law enforcement officer, or a person acting as an agent of a law enforcement officer perpetrates an entrapment if, for the purpose of obtaining evidence of the commission of a crime, he or she induces or encourages and, as a direct result, causes another person to engage in conduct constituting such crime by employing methods of persuasion or inducement which create a substantial risk that such crime will be committed by a person other than one who is ready to commit it.

(2) A person prosecuted for a crime shall be acquitted if the person proves by a preponderance of the evidence that his or her criminal conduct occurred as a result of an entrapment. The issue of entrapment shall be tried by the trier of fact.


It clearly states a person can be aquitted if he/she proves they were entrapped. So why do you think Florida didn't have an Entrapment law?

As for as the police saying they are not police.....that has been a huge misconception......cops have to say "they are no cops" while undercover if not then there covers would always be blown. I never found a law stating the contrary....I did find a nice article that speaks about this "urban legend" that undercover cops need to reveal their true identities......check it out:

[url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/998952/legal_urban_legends_debunked_whether.html[/url]

Hope this is useful[/QUOTE]I guess my little post about Ariel really started something. I'm happy that everyone found my post relevant for discussion. This is a serious subject that probably needed to be studied and looked at. Hopefully, we'll all be safe and sound. Happy mongering everyone and no Leos!

[QUOTE=True Critic69]Look up Florida Statue 777.201:

It clearly states a person can be aquitted if he/she proves they were entrapped. So why do you think Florida didn't have an Entrapment law?

Hope this is useful[/QUOTE]

To me, Orlando J makes the best point, cops do not always follow the law. If you are arrested for solicitation, it is of little solace if you win the court case. The embrassement and harmful impact to your personal life would be devastating.

I think it is best when dealing with a cop to be a respectful, while at the same time offering as little info as possible. Some cops get off on giving you a hard time and it makes their day to provoke you into a confrontation. While being respectful to the cop is good advice, the best course of action is to do your homework and avoid situatons where you may have to deal with a cop at all.

An entrapment defense is extremely hard to mount, we have had this discussion before on this board so I won't go into the details.

I think this discussion is much ado about nothing. Everyone who has had their hotel room raided raise their hand, basically it does not happen.

Remember that we are talking misdemeanor here so the prosecutor will only push it so far and very few people will spend 10-20 K to defend a misdemeanor case with arcane legal theories. When your all done you still will have been arrested and that record stays with you and even if you are not convicted in most peoples eyes "where there is smoke there is fire" so they still believe the worst.

Lastly if your with a SW or Escort in your car or a motel room, YOU ARE GUILTY if not of the act surely of the intent. So all the technicalities can be explored by your lawyer if you will only keep your mouth shut and not make his job impossible.---VS

I guess I've been lucky...I have been pulled over by LEO in 2 states and with the young lady in the car, and I have been my wise ass self....and never arrested.

I have been pulled over in NYC and here in Florida.....and my response to them always is..........."is it illegal to give someone a ride?"

I don't take sh*t from the cops...as I have stated before to me they are all corrupt in some way or another.....so I state my rights in whatever way I see fit and then I stay quiet.

I dont believe in being bullied by the law.....and whenever a cop gets shot I feel thats karma's way of putting a balance to the system. How many innocent people get shot by cops? How many innocents are in jail?

The system sucks!

In NYC a freakin white cop shot a black cop cause he thought he was the criminal......so as far as Im concerned the police factions need reorganization.

Just my views. If anyone here is a LEO supporter I dont mean to offend you....but my experiences have biased my opinions.



[QUOTE=Otwist]To me, Orlando J makes the best point, cops do not always follow the law. If you are arrested for solicitation, it is of little solace if you win the court case. The embrassement and harmful impact to your personal life would be devastating.

I think it is best when dealing with a cop to be a respectful, while at the same time offering as little info as possible. Some cops get off on giving you a hard time and it makes their day to provoke you into a confrontation. While being respectful to the cop is good advice, the best course of action is to do your homework and avoid situatons where you may have to deal with a cop at all.[/QUOTE]

when you get to that part of your paralegal studies that tell you to ask the guy with the Juris Doctorate degree, just send me a pm here.

Nemo

[QUOTE=Tinaa]Why do I know this info because I am entering school in the fall to be a paralegal.[/QUOTE]

After another frustrating day of trying to hook up, all I have to show for it are left voice messages, "call me in a couple of hours, kay?" and "the voice mail is full for this number." I felt I needed to have a little talk with you gals and give you some info on a better, safer way to run your businesses.

I'm sure lots of us notice that many gals constantly post looking for clients. Many providers post three-five times per day. Some of these escorts are beautiful and well-reviewed but yet, they're always looking for new clients. Why is this, you ask? Well, I'll tell you. It's all about service. The reason you can't seem to keep regular clients is because the regulars can't get ahold of you in a reasonable time-frame. Therefore, they go elsewhere.

Let's look at this scenario: say your goal as a provider is to have 100 appointments for the month of July coming up. You could do this two ways: post like crazy for new business, then get 90 NEW clients and only ten return ones. Imagine that, ninety guys you've never even seen before that could be LEO, have STD's, be weirdos, bully you, or God forbid, be that one nightmare psychotic that could do you in. OR you could obtain your 100 by having 30 regular clients that you see three times during the month and only 10 new ones. I ask you, which scenario is better? Remember gals, your safety is the most important thing for you in this business! Nothing else matters.

You get those return clients by actually answering the phone. You must clean out your voice mail boxes to be able to take messages. Here's a little tip for you: when a client leaves his phone number, he actually wants you to return the call. Just because you're booked for the day doesn't mean you don't call the guy back! Simply call him and tell him the truth. Surprise! He might book with you the next day! If you're not accepting clients that day, just say so on your voice mail, it's common courtesy and clients will respect you for it.

Your goal should be to eventually never have to post again for business or at least infrequently (think Hanna Banana.) Everyone you see should be a regular or a referral. There are quite a few gals that have achieved this. Try getting Brooke or Kara/Summer on the phone for a new appointment, go ahead, I challenge you!

Most of us when we find a gal we like, we'll see her again and again unless we can't get ahold of her! We must be confident that you'll pick up and call us back, then we don't even bother calling someone else. We'll wait for you as long as we know you're reliable and dedicated to making us happy. Remember, we want to be safe also!

One other thing, keep a journal of your clients. You can ask many guys if it's OK to call them up when you're free of appointments. Many will say sure. Then, instead of posting for new business, simply call up a couple of your regulars to come out and play. I'm guessing within two-three calls, you've got your afternoon (safe) booking for that day. You can also give extra time or cut your prices slightly for return appointments. Would you rather see someone you don't know at all for an extra $25, or one of your trusted regulars? This one is a no-brainer.

Try this system, I'll bet you'll see results very quickly. Be safe everyone and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=True Critic69]Just my views. If anyone here is a LEO supporter I dont mean to offend you....but my experiences have biased my opinions.[/QUOTE]

Common sense does not equate to LEO support!

[QUOTE=True Critic69] Just my views. If anyone here is a LEO supporter I dont mean to offend you....but my experiences have biased my opinions.[/QUOTE]

no one here owns a Donut shoppe. ;)

I do support LEO's efforts to fight real crime. Unfortunately the world's oldest profession is not real crime IMO and just diverts time and resources from serious crime. Why can't LEO lock up a few of the drug boys who are always around?

Hi Jenna,

I want to wish you well in your retirement. I've heard nothing but good things about you even though I personally haven't had the opportunity to meet you.

I will not be able to get the chance to see you until well after July 15. Can I assume that I'll be welcome if I can get a personal referral from one of your regulars?

Good luck and thanks,

Vino

[QUOTE=Vino 7373]After another frustrating day of trying to hook up, all I have to show for it are left voice messages, "call me in a couple of hours, kay?" and "the voice mail is full for this number." I felt I needed to have a little talk with you gals and give you some info on a better, safer way to run your businesses.

I'm sure lots of us notice that many gals constantly post looking for clients. Many providers post three-five times per day. Some of these escorts are beautiful and well-reviewed but yet, they're always looking for new clients. Why is this, you ask? Well, I'll tell you. It's all about service. The reason you can't seem to keep regular clients is because the regulars can't get ahold of you in a reasonable time-frame. Therefore, they go elsewhere.

Let's look at this scenario: say your goal as a provider is to have 100 appointments for the month of July coming up. You could do this two ways: post like crazy for new business, then get 90 NEW clients and only ten return ones. Imagine that, ninety guys you've never even seen before that could be LEO, have STD's, be weirdos, bully you, or God forbid, be that one nightmare psychotic that could do you in. OR you could obtain your 100 by having 30 regular clients that you see three times during the month and only 10 new ones. I ask you, which scenario is better? Remember gals, your safety is the most important thing for you in this business! Nothing else matters.

You get those return clients by actually answering the phone. You must clean out your voice mail boxes to be able to take messages. Here's a little tip for you: when a client leaves his phone number, he actually wants you to return the call. Just because you're booked for the day doesn't mean you don't call the guy back! Simply call him and tell him the truth. Surprise! He might book with you the next day! If you're not accepting clients that day, just say so on your voice mail, it's common courtesy and clients will respect you for it.

Your goal should be to eventually never have to post again for business or at least infrequently (think Hanna Banana.) Everyone you see should be a regular or a referral. There are quite a few gals that have achieved this. Try getting Brooke or Kara/Summer on the phone for a new appointment, go ahead, I challenge you!

Most of us when we find a gal we like, we'll see her again and again unless we can't get ahold of her! We must be confident that you'll pick up and call us back, then we don't even bother calling someone else. We'll wait for you as long as we know you're reliable and dedicated to making us happy. Remember, we want to be safe also!

One other thing, keep a journal of your clients. You can ask many guys if it's OK to call them up when you're free of appointments. Many will say sure. Then, instead of posting for new business, simply call up a couple of your regulars to come out and play. I'm guessing within two-three calls, you've got your afternoon (safe) booking for that day. You can also give extra time or cut your prices slightly for return appointments. Would you rather see someone you don't know at all for an extra $25, or one of your trusted regulars? This one is a no-brainer.

Try this system, I'll bet you'll see results very quickly. Be safe everyone and happy hunting![/QUOTE]I've only had a few bad days of getting a girl. I setup appointments ahead of time works for me. Setup up a date three or so days in advance and send reminders. I manage to fit my hobby into a 80 hour work week. 7-days in a week not 5 ;).

[QUOTE=Vino 7373]Hi Jenna,

I want to wish you well in your retirement. I've heard nothing but good things about you even though I personally haven't had the opportunity to meet you.

I will not be able to get the chance to see you until well after July 15. Can I assume that I'll be welcome if I can get a personal referral from one of your regulars?

Good luck and thanks,

Vino[/QUOTE]
or another Jenna?

[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]or another Jenna?[/QUOTE]
She has a retirement message in the Escort Ads section on this site.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373]After another frustrating day of trying to hook up, all I have to show for it are left voice messages, "call me in a couple of hours, kay?" and "the voice mail is full for this number." I felt I needed to have a little talk with you gals and give you some info on a better, safer way to run your businesses.

I'm sure lots of us notice that many gals constantly post looking for clients. Many providers post three-five times per day. Some of these escorts are beautiful and well-reviewed but yet, they're always looking for new clients. Why is this, you ask? Well, I'll tell you. It's all about service. The reason you can't seem to keep regular clients is because the regulars can't get ahold of you in a reasonable time-frame. Therefore, they go elsewhere.

Let's look at this scenario: say your goal as a provider is to have 100 appointments for the month of July coming up. You could do this two ways: post like crazy for new business, then get 90 NEW clients and only ten return ones. Imagine that, ninety guys you've never even seen before that could be LEO, have STD's, be weirdos, bully you, or God forbid, be that one nightmare psychotic that could do you in. OR you could obtain your 100 by having 30 regular clients that you see three times during the month and only 10 new ones. I ask you, which scenario is better? Remember gals, your safety is the most important thing for you in this business! Nothing else matters.

You get those return clients by actually answering the phone. You must clean out your voice mail boxes to be able to take messages. Here's a little tip for you: when a client leaves his phone number, he actually wants you to return the call. Just because you're booked for the day doesn't mean you don't call the guy back! Simply call him and tell him the truth. Surprise! He might book with you the next day! If you're not accepting clients that day, just say so on your voice mail, it's common courtesy and clients will respect you for it.

Your goal should be to eventually never have to post again for business or at least infrequently (think Hanna Banana.) Everyone you see should be a regular or a referral. There are quite a few gals that have achieved this. Try getting Brooke or Kara/Summer on the phone for a new appointment, go ahead, I challenge you!

Most of us when we find a gal we like, we'll see her again and again unless we can't get ahold of her! We must be confident that you'll pick up and call us back, then we don't even bother calling someone else. We'll wait for you as long as we know you're reliable and dedicated to making us happy. Remember, we want to be safe also!

One other thing, keep a journal of your clients. You can ask many guys if it's OK to call them up when you're free of appointments. Many will say sure. Then, instead of posting for new business, simply call up a couple of your regulars to come out and play. I'm guessing within two-three calls, you've got your afternoon (safe) booking for that day. You can also give extra time or cut your prices slightly for return appointments. Would you rather see someone you don't know at all for an extra $25, or one of your trusted regulars? This one is a no-brainer.

Try this system, I'll bet you'll see results very quickly. Be safe everyone and happy hunting![/QUOTE]Unfortunatly sometimes I think you guys forget that us girls have seperate[and sometimes VERY different ]lives. We too have kids, significant others, families[who usually don't have a clue], neighbors, homeowners associations, etc not to mention aunt flo who shows up usually unannounced. It's always a best bet to have a back up, most providers I know can refer you to a friend or 2 just ask would be my suggestion. Ut please don't take it personal in the least. We are called providers for a reason most [I would assume] like to provide wink! However guys I do have a request PLEASE read an ad before responding throughly. Each girls sets her own rates and hours, asking alot of questions usually will get you a blow off as it's not a good time currently to be in this business if you understand my meaning. The last 2 busts over 50 providers were arrested [kissimee area ]leo is getting smarter and RENTED an apartment to do the bust! Also please do not call a girl after hours every night someone will call me between 2 and 5 am [usually drunk] and if I am short they get an attitude. I work a regular early morn job to pay good ole uncle sam and do my providing in the afternoon and evening. Nothing sucks [not even me] like a 3 am phone call[especially if you have kids] just my 2 cents.

To those of you who have indulged all my wicked little desires, allowed me the pleasure of satisfying your deep desires, I thank you and damn I will miss you. I have learned enough to write a book that would be a real zipper buster. But I like to keep my dirty little secrets. I have retired and will no longer be playing. Thank you and I wish you the best. There are so many wonderful women here in Orlando and I am sure you can get your desires met. Thank you and please take care. I will keep my email for a little longer for referrals only. I will only be able to check it once a day so plan accordingly. I will keep my site up for entertainment only.Stay safe.

Sexybldbbwfl

For those that know me well, I hate wearing clothes and shoes all day! lol

For those that never saw me, you will never know how much fun you missed. I guess you do not use TER. The reviews are there. Curvy girls love to take care of you. I was ranked on TER as in the top 9% on the US for performance. Yes, I was the only bbw there. I am not bragging, just stating the facts. I am outta here!

How many are retiring?
For the retiring ladies, Did you name successors? Did you introduce some new talents?

Haven't been able to play much lately, but got a hankering last week, so based on all the good reviews on here, I made an appointment with Gianna. Having much more experience with the local "massage" providers, (you know, a little teasing here, a light touch there) I wasn't prepared for her "lets get down to business" right off the bat, approach. And, unfortunately, she just wasn't my cup of tea. Maybe I wasn't hers either.

Yes, she is a very nice gal. And has a very nice in-call location (her home). But, way too much of a smoker and wayyyy too UNDERweight for my tastes, (and a little too chatty) but, still a very nice gal. And she sure loves to play.

Have never tried a "GFE provider", but I think I should, cause I have always liked a little seduction before playing.

[QUOTE=Sexybldbbwfl]To those of you who have indulged all my wicked little desires, allowed me the pleasure of satisfying your deep desires, I thank you and damn I will miss you. I have learned enough to write a book that would be a real zipper buster. But I like to keep my dirty little secrets. I have retired and will no longer be playing. Thank you and I wish you the best. There are so many wonderful women here in Orlando and I am sure you can get your desires met. Thank you and please take care. I will keep my email for a little longer for referrals only. I will only be able to check it once a day so plan accordingly. I will keep my site up for entertainment only.Stay safe.

Sexybldbbwfl

For those that know me well, I hate wearing clothes and shoes all day! lol

For those that never saw me, you will never know how much fun you missed. I guess you do not use TER. The reviews are there. Curvy girls love to take care of you. I was ranked on TER as in the top 9% on the US for performance. Yes, I was the only bbw there. I am not bragging, just stating the facts. I am outta here![/QUOTE]

of knowing you (in person or in a Biblical way - LOL), but based on your postings here I have come to know that you are a true complete woman (Brains, Body and Heart) and for that my life has been richer. I and others that you have touched (both literally and figuratively) ;) wish you the best future that life has to offer.

I am glad to know that you will check back here from time to time to comment here and there. You really have it all together! And as you have probably figured out by now (after a few years in the business) - when it comes to figuring out the female of the species, we men need all the help we can get!

May the road rise up to meet you and May the wind always be at your back.

Best Regards,
Clinton Bush

Hey Caesarman,

Are there any photos of Gianna on this forum? I could'nt find any and I didnt have any luck with my research.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jerry Ll]Hey Caesarman,

Are there any photos of Gianna on this forum? I could'nt find any and I didnt have any luck with my research.

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Search the escort section of Backpage. She works out in the gym ,so she is very fit and toned, she is also very tiny, clean and friendly. She's Italian and from N.Y. does like to talk but she is a very cool chick. In my opinion she looks better in person than in that picture on Backpage.----VS

[QUOTE=Jerry Ll]Hey Caesarman,

Are there any photos of Gianna on this forum? I could'nt find any and I didnt have any luck with my research.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Smoking tight body, spinner, 5'0 tall. Not skinny, toned and muscular, beautiful all over tan. Real nice place, I did not feel hurried at all. Really gets into it and will definitely take the lead. A bunch of really cute outfits.

A little gabby at first but not once the TV gets turned off and the lights go out. Really nice girl. I will definitely be back. She served me up one of the the five best tasting coochie pops that I have ever eaten. It was so fresh and it seemed like it had just come out of the oven. I had seconds.

Her ad is 130 for a half and 160 for an hour. On backpage, white outfit, heels, shot is from the neck down.

Isn't this Miss Frankie-Rae?

[QUOTE=Chocolate Nikk]Isn't this Miss Frankie-Rae?[/QUOTE]

Yes that is her.

I've seen this ad for this stunning provider (Jamie) for the last few days. Does anyone else find it strange that she lists her rates and then tells you to ask her about them when you call?

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y_o_u_r_u_l_t_i_m_a_t_e_f_a_n_t_a_s_y_19/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1571687[/url]

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[QUOTE=Vino 7373]I've seen this ad for this stunning provider (Jamie) for the last few days. Does anyone else find it strange that she lists her rates and then tells you to ask her about them when you call?

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y_o_u_r_u_l_t_i_m_a_t_e_f_a_n_t_a_s_y_19/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1571687[/url]

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"Please DON"T ask about my rates when calling!"

but didn't proof read.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373]I've seen this ad for this stunning provider (Jamie) for the last few days. Does anyone else find it strange that she lists her rates and then tells you to ask her about them when you call?

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y_o_u_r_u_l_t_i_m_a_t_e_f_a_n_t_a_s_y_19/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1571687[/url]

214 580 0028[/QUOTE]


Doesn't feel right to me. Plus, no reviews on TER. I'd pass.

[QUOTE=SingleMoms]Smoking tight body, spinner, 5'0 tall. Not skinny, toned and muscular, beautiful all over tan. Real nice place, I did not feel hurried at all. Really gets into it and will definitely take the lead. A bunch of really cute outfits.

A little gabby at first but not once the TV gets turned off and the lights go out. Really nice girl. I will definitely be back. She served me up one of the the five best tasting coochie pops that I have ever eaten. It was so fresh and it seemed like it had just come out of the oven. I had seconds.

Her ad is 130 for a half and 160 for an hour. On backpage, white outfit, heels, shot is from the neck down.[/QUOTE]

Below is a photo of her, and she is really tiny. I had the pleasure of company and she gives the greatest RCG I have ever experienced.

Did a lil research and this is what I found......the phone number in the ad has been used for a girl named Carmen and Jamie.

The photos in the ad you saw I suspect to be bait & switch. I did find an ad for "Jamie" using pics that I believe are hers, because I found them in her Model Mayhem and M y S p a c e pages.

Here are the links:

Jamie's other ad:
[url]http://www.1thru99.com/product_desc.php?id=542[/url]

Her Model Mayhem page:
[url]http://www.modelmayhem.com/772410[/url]

Her M y S p a c e page:
[url]http://www.*******.com/bbmconfused[/url]

In her M y S p a c e page she does say she is in Florida....


Hope all this helps.

TC69





[QUOTE=Vino 7373]I've seen this ad for this stunning provider (Jamie) for the last few days. Does anyone else find it strange that she lists her rates and then tells you to ask her about them when you call?

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y_o_u_r_u_l_t_i_m_a_t_e_f_a_n_t_a_s_y_19/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1571687[/url]

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FYI - the girl in the Strawberry2008 photo's on Model Mayhem was also a dancer at the Cabaret Royale in north Dallas - 2years back She would do after hours club party's and gave a very shitty BJ and would flex her puss so tigh you couldn't get in all the way. Hot little body, but a BS attitude.

Just my opinion - but oh yeah the same girl.

Surf

[QUOTE=True Critic69]Did a lil research and this is what I found......the phone number in the ad has been used for a girl named Carmen and Jamie.

The photos in the ad you saw I suspect to be bait & switch. I did find an ad for "Jamie" using pics that I believe are hers, because I found them in her Model Mayhem and M y S p a c e pages.

Here are the links:

Jamie's other ad:
[url]http://www.1thru99.com/product_desc.php?id=542[/url]

Her Model Mayhem page:
[url]http://www.modelmayhem.com/772410[/url]

Her M y S p a c e page:
[url]http://www.*******.com/bbmconfused[/url]

In her M y S p a c e page she does say she is in Florida....


Hope all this helps.

TC69[/QUOTE]

I contacted her on her M y S p a c e....she answered me askin how I found it.....looks like she got spooked and deleted it.



[QUOTE=SW Surfer]FYI - the girl in the Strawberry2008 photo's on Model Mayhem was also a dancer at the Cabaret Royale in north Dallas - 2years back She would do after hours club party's and gave a very shitty BJ and would flex her puss so tigh you couldn't get in all the way. Hot little body, but a BS attitude.

Just my opinion - but oh yeah the same girl.

Surf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=True Critic69]I contacted her on her M y S p a c e....she answered me askin how I found it.....looks like she got spooked and deleted it.[/QUOTE]

You guys ought to be detectives. Great sluething on both of your parts!

I had a dream today that I went and visited Gianna. She lives in a small, kinda private neighborhood and I went to her home. She greeted me outside and her neighbors were out in their yards. They gave me the "look, another one," stare and I went inside. The home is nice and very comfortable.

Gianna is late 30ish, average looks, with a real rough smoker's voice. If you met her at a bar, you'd have no problem figuring out what she does for a living. She invited me in, chatted some, then led me into the bedroom while she freshened up. She was very business-like and deliberate in the way she handled me as a client. While she is pretty cool to talk to, in no way, shape, or form can she be called sweet. If you're looking for the sweet, gal-next-door type, don't even bother. She let me know quickly that even though I'd booked an hour, when I was done, so was she. I guess no second cup of joe applies. I felt like I was going to kinda get a rush-job with her from the start.

Anything negative stops here, though. This gal is smokin tight, inside and out. Her 5'0", 100 lb body hasn't got one gram of extra fat on it, but she's not super-skinny. I can't believe a gal her age can have such a tight snapper but she does. Big guys, you might have real problems here. I'm average, and I hit bottom with some to spare.

She gives a rockin bbbj that'll leave you wanting more. Even though she's business-like in her personality, she does seem to enjoy what she's doing. The gal offers lots of encouragement as she takes you.

I'll go to see her again just to enjoy that tight shit and latch ahold of that sweet pooter she's sporting on her backside. What a pretty little butt! She is indeed proud of that fact and wants you to appreciate it K-9 style.

If you like petite, trampy little spinners that enjoy what they're doing, go see Gianna. Hopefully, she'll be a little more comfortable with me the next time and I won't feel so "generic" to her.

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