Kgirls Rebrands

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7160839]I get what you are saying cause I still admire chivalry and have respect for older generations. I was a legit white knight and would just chuckle if somebody called me a simp. Walking out / not is a personal decision.

As someone who may see a "new" girl on her first day / hour, I could have gotten the brunt of the deception. Worse, they may rebrand to raise rate. I don't care about much until I feel like they "cock block" me from legit new HYAs. You don't hobby the same way I do, so I can understand if you can't help. Only bros who TOFTT can help each other if they choose to. I try to help bros like me when I can, but my hobby style is not conducive with detailed reviews.[/QUOTE]Yup, I rarely TOFTT. A girl who has no reviews, no comments on this board, and no intel from trusted brothers is a high-risk proposition. Whenever I do it (maybe 4 or 5 times a year) the failure rate is around 80%. Which is different from the past. About 8 to 10 years ago, the hit rate was much better for new / unknown k-girls. And photos were more accurate, especially if the girls were handled by a trusted booker like J. Now, that's all gone downhill. A lot times, it seems the bookers don't even necessarily know who's good and who's not.

The last really excellent k-girl I saw based on zero intel was Arina. So sometimes it works out exceedingly well. But usually not. The best intel, of course, comes from trusted bros. Those recommendations are golden.

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7161486]Yup, I rarely TOFTT. A girl who has no reviews, no comments on this board, and no intel from trusted brothers is a high-risk proposition. Whenever I do it (maybe 4 or 5 times a year) the failure rate is around 80%. Which is different from the past. About 8 to 10 years ago, the hit rate was much better for new / unknown k-girls. And photos were more accurate, especially if the girls were handled by a trusted booker like J. Now, that's all gone downhill. A lot times, it seems the bookers don't even necessarily know who's good and who's not.

The last really excellent k-girl I saw based on zero intel was Arina. So sometimes it works out exceedingly well. But usually not. The best intel, of course, comes from trusted bros. Those recommendations are golden.[/QUOTE]If you think about it, no one really knows how a girl will perform until she gets feedback from the customers. Not the booker, not the owner, or even the girl. She may have worked at places that catered to certain styles or had customers that were content with what would be considered a low bar here in Socal. So it really does come down to intel posted here and elsewhere to accurately gauge her service.

On another note, I don't take booker recommendations because they almost never know how the girl will do. The good bookers will ask for feedback after a session because they only have what the owners tell them. These good bookers then tabulate and compile the feedback they get from customers that choose to share so they can give at least a better informed recommendation. There are not many bookers that operate that way cause it's a drain on their time and effort.

[QUOTE=Slicer4;7160921]Is she also possibly currently 'Mocha', and previous as 'Layla'?[/QUOTE]Mocha is a different girl, but you are correct julli4/ gem3 was layla (I've seen both of them).

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7160855]I think Milk / Soda had other names like "Omar" or something in the past.

[URL=https://playtwinkle.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=12&product_id=765](as Milk)[/URL] and [URL=https://playtwinkle.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=12&product_id=766](as Soda)[/URL] 5'4" 106 lbs DD cup.[/QUOTE]Are those wagons real? This looks tempting.

I take rec from bookers cause they may know if a girl is HYA or not. Sure they / somebody can lie. That's why I still take 5 minutes to sense the Force before committing.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7161511]...On another note, I don't take booker recommendations because they almost never know how the girl will do. The good bookers will ask for feedback after a session because they only have what the owners tell them. These good bookers then tabulate and compile the feedback they get from customers that choose to share so they can give at least a better informed recommendation. There are not many bookers that operate that way cause it's a drain on their time and effort.[/QUOTE]

I believe you and I haven't seen Mocha or Julli4/ Gem3/ Layla. Thanks for confirming.

[QUOTE=ImMyself;7162047]Mocha is a different girl, but you are correct julli4/ gem3 was layla (I've seen both of them).[/QUOTE]

That failure rate sounds about right. I never had to worry about rebrands and MILFs before FOSTA. Due to gate keeping, I can't wait for intel. Bookers and Boner Sense are what's helping me not to fail so much. I would rage quit the hobby or just do what you do if I wasn't happy TOFTT'ing.

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7161486]Yup, I rarely TOFTT. A girl who has no reviews, no comments on this board, and no intel from trusted brothers is a high-risk proposition. Whenever I do it (maybe 4 or 5 times a year) the failure rate is around 80%. Which is different from the past. About 8 to 10 years ago, the hit rate was much better for new / unknown k-girls. And photos were more accurate, especially if the girls were handled by a trusted booker like J. Now, that's all gone downhill. A lot times, it seems the bookers don't even necessarily know who's good and who's not.

The last really excellent k-girl I saw based on zero intel was Arina. So sometimes it works out exceedingly well. But usually not. The best intel, of course, comes from trusted bros. Those recommendations are golden.[/QUOTE]

I happen to see a heated discussion on bogus reviews, mongers right and double standards. [B]I support mongers rights 100%[/B]. My white knight extent is just common decency toward a woman who works to please me.

[B]The purpose of this forum is to exchange intel and see hot young Asian girls. We don't want to be fooled by rebrands and MILFs. We don't want to be retaliated for honest intel. Gate keeping is a violation of our rights.[/B]

I don't have double standards. Every monger is my bro and every HYA is my bae. If I can have an accurate assessment of most girls on looks, age, service, and rebranding, I would not hesitate to rank / out them all. I don't want to stick out like a sore thumb if I don't see many care.

In other words, if there are 108 Boners, we would be the Better Boning Bureau. We may even be able to suppress rate increase. We can for sure destroy rebranding and fake reviews. I choose the number 108 boners cause new girl is usually busy in first 2 weeks or so. That number can make quite an impact on new girl.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7163257]The purpose of this forum is to exchange intel and see hot young Asian girls. We don't want to be fooled by rebrands and MILFs. We don't want to be retaliated for honest intel. Gate keeping is a violation of our rights.

In other words, if there are 108 Boners, we would be the Better Boning Bureau. We may even be able to suppress rate increase. We can for sure destroy rebranding and fake reviews. I choose the number 108 boners cause new girl is usually busy in first 2 weeks or so. That number can make quite an impact on new girl.[/QUOTE]

The nice thing about HYA is even borderline HYA are nowhere near MILFs by two dimensions. "Is she young" and "Is she good looking" are not that hard to call. Few would dare to call and old woman both, so it blocks the F-tier and generally prevents D and E tier. The definition of "30 and under with above average looks" for HYA is plain and simple, and it let me quickly grade other OC reviewers for relevancy. I immediately noticed 5 OC reviewers who were "gold standard" HYA lovers, so when one of them tells me Leslie K has a fantastic ass, that's exactly what I expect. Instant erection is the result. Out of respect, I will PM the rest.

About grading, we could rate "Is she young" as S = 20 and under, A = 25 and under, B = 30 and under, and so on. We could rate "Is she good looking" on my scale where average is in-between C and D, with B being a strict cutoff of "good looking". So B-B is the minimum, but we get that any honest person could call a C-B or B-C girl a HYA, even a C-C on occasion. But they tended to acknowledge it was a borderline call, or qualified it with fair justifications like "I like thick" or "I like short hair" and so on which make perfect sense, and are useful to anyone as long as they know to factor it out. I make it very clear I like skinny and cute, so you can drop any skinny and cute girl by 2 tiers of looks instantly to compensate. If I call a thiiiiick girl like Baby Terri a "borderline HYA if you like thick", it makes sense. She's a B-B girl if you like thick, B-C if you're neutral, or B-D through B-F if you are traumatized by thick. This is why descriptions on body size, age, hair, skin color, face vs body matter. There are guys who only care about hair length and skin color. To me, once you control for these factors explicitly you start getting a lot of consensus.

It needs to be said some girls are so beautiful that it doesn't matter your preference, you can't deny they are HYA. A negative Daisy review will go "She is a HYA but I didn't like her service". I can easily believe that, I got good service but I'm sure she gave someone else bad service. But if they said "She is not good looking" or "She is an old woman", I would let their own words be their indictment and say nothing more in reply. We could argue in circles about service, but not about HYA looks. You either have eyes or you don't.

In OC it is possible to strongly overlay 5-7 HYA hunter opinions on a girl and usually get a unanimous decision or close. Therefore, we can objectively call it most of the time through unanimous consent. Through this simple method, I could determine that 10%-20% of girls in OC were HYA by the strictest definition. Realistically 25% by a looser definition (allowing for 31-33, butterface with a good body, good face with no body, etc..). I personally always use the looser definition for decision-making, but publicly I play it safe. So I will say of those girls "she is close". I do not use alternative terms like CYA, PHYA, etc.. because we end up with an unclear message and subjectivity all over again. A girl is either HYA or not, a girl can be borderline/close to HYA or not. Remember, I also use HYA to grade reviewers so if they aren't 80% in agreement then they aren't useful. When I use a gold standard reviewers' intel, I succeed 100% of the time. It's not even close, because I'm actually happy with borderline HYA. It is a pretty high bar.

I've already explained in public why bookers can't really retaliate, since it would be against their very best customers who all know each other. What they will do instead is make vague threats. I've known people to get them, and I've spelled out clearly that a korg that follows through on threats would show they are unsafe. No one would ever use them again. This is a case where the dog can't bite, so it must bark and make uncomfortable statements. I would be happy to copy and paste any such DMs I get publicly, but they no longer send them to me after I explained it all. I made sure to post it on the LA forum since that's where they're from.

I have repeatedly also offered that any booker or agency that doesn't like a single thing I've said just needs to say the word and I will be happy to never mention them or their girls again. No one has taken me up on the offer. Well, the offer still stands. I'm seriousness, I only do things with consent anyways.

I think maybe 5% or 10% of girls can charge "whatever they want". If it's a short tour, it works. If it's a long tour, it won't. Believe me, they are reinventing the wheel on this corgs have done it for decades and know you can only do premium pricing with short tours or limited slots. It makes sense for a few girls, that's cool. For girls that want to make real money, they need long schedules at cheaper prices. Or to tour, but that has its own drawbacks. Oh the stories I could tell. Will PM. Touring only makes sense for mid girls or girls trying to escape bad conditions.

Bridget = Nara (could be wrong here but 70% confidence).

Everly = Luna.

Dana = Olivia = Soy / Cosmo / etc.

Linda = Kai and I think she already gone.

I think she's a rebrand. I remember seeing those fake pics years before. Same case with Jodie. I feel like I have seen that name and similar fake pics before. Resilient John got intel that Jodie is not a rebrand, but that can only be certain if someone has seen many girls years before FOSTA too.

Ms Zina = Nuri.

Ms Kyss = OG Kiss.

Ms Hope = Carina.

Ms Bella looks like a rebrand.

Ms Hime finally adds BB upcharge option.

If pics are accurate, Bridget fka Derby. If anyone remembers.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7167153]Bridget = Nara (could be wrong here but 70% confidence).

Everly = Luna.

Dana = Olivia = Soy / Cosmo / etc.

Linda = Kai and I think she already gone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7164265]The nice thing about HYA is even borderline HYA are nowhere near MILFs by two dimensions. "Is she young" and "Is she good looking" are not that hard to call. Few would dare to call and old woman both, so it blocks the F-tier and generally prevents D and E tier. The definition of "30 and under with above average looks" for HYA is plain and simple, and it let me quickly grade other OC reviewers for relevancy. I immediately noticed 5 OC reviewers who were "gold standard" HYA lovers, so when one of them tells me Leslie K has a fantastic ass, that's exactly what I expect. Instant erection is the result. Out of respect, I will PM the rest.

About grading, we could rate "Is she young" as S = 20 and under, A = 25 and under, B = 30 and under, and so on. We could rate "Is she good looking" on my scale where average is in-between C and D, with B being a strict cutoff of "good looking". So B-B is the minimum, but we get that any honest person could call a C-B or B-C girl a HYA, even a C-C on occasion. But they tended to acknowledge it was a borderline call, or qualified it with fair justifications like "I like thick" or "I like short hair" and so on which make perfect sense, and are useful to anyone as long as they know to factor it out. I make it very clear I like skinny and cute, so you can drop any skinny and cute girl by 2 tiers of looks instantly to compensate. If I call a thiiiiick girl like Baby Terri a "borderline HYA if you like thick", it makes sense. She's a B-B girl if you like thick, B-C if you're neutral, or B-D through B-F if you are traumatized by thick. This is why descriptions on body size, age, hair, skin color, face vs body matter. There are guys who only care about hair length and skin color. To me, once you control for these factors explicitly you start getting a lot of consensus.

It needs to be said some girls are so beautiful that it doesn't matter your preference, you can't deny they are HYA. A negative Daisy review will go "She is a HYA but I didn't like her service". I can easily believe that, I got good service but I'm sure she gave someone else bad service. But if they said "She is not good looking" or "She is an old woman", I would let their own words be their indictment and say nothing more in reply. We could argue in circles about service, but not about HYA looks. You either have eyes or you don't..[/QUOTE]Much of what you have said is gospel. Also, HYA is a matter of perspective for me. (although BA is the ultimate arbitrator since he coined the acronym) . I, for one, will call a girl a HYA if she looks like one, regardless of age. Which, for me, means she can be in her 20's-30's with a fit and tight body, a pretty face, and, of course, is Asian.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7167162]I think she's a rebrand. I remember seeing those fake pics years before. Same case with Jodie. I feel like I have seen that name and similar fake pics before. Resilient John got intel that Jodie is not a rebrand, but that can only be certain if someone has seen many girls years before FOSTA too.[/QUOTE]Could she be Sexy Dior / Ashley Fox? Anyone see Emma?

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7167162]I think she's a rebrand. I remember seeing those fake pics years before. Same case with Jodie. I feel like I have seen that name and similar fake pics before. Resilient John got intel that Jodie is not a rebrand, but that can only be certain if someone has seen many girls years before FOSTA too.[/QUOTE]Jodie has a pretty mediocre review on the other site. According to the review she is tall for a K-girl with huge tits, but they are flapjacks and she has belly rolls. Appearance 6, performance 7. For once, an honest assessment from that board.

Pics triggered Boner Sense. Nuru for 60 more doesn't seem worth it. I have had free nuru way better from Pepsi Palace. Why does Yona K use one fake pic of Mongolian / Korean Ms Hime? Yona K had a pic that triggered me.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7174951]Pics triggered Boner Sense. Nuru for 60 more doesn't seem worth it. I have had free nuru way better from Pepsi Palace. Why does Yona K use one fake pic of Mongolian / Korean Ms Hime? Yona K had a pic that triggered me.[/QUOTE]Not sure if she is a rebrand but the pic of Yona K in denim shorts is a real pic, so if you saw her then she is easily recognized.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7174951]Pics triggered Boner Sense. Nuru for 60 more doesn't seem worth it. I have had free nuru way better from Pepsi Palace. Why does Yona K use one fake pic of Mongolian / Korean Ms Hime? Yona K had a pic that triggered me.[/QUOTE]Kiva in OC pics are super hot, I am highly doubtful she looks like that. I would follow the IG model she got those pics from though.

[QUOTE=NaFindKGirls;7167339]If pics are accurate, Bridget fka Derby. If anyone remembers.[/QUOTE]I saw Derby years ago. She was a one-time no repeat for me. However, I am picky on repeats.

SBC lowered her premium rate. She rebrands as Karina as well by the way. The boss and her are probably not happy with me calling her out for her premium rate. I am sorry boss. I am grouchy when no HYA sends me to Boner heaven. At least I save bros some money. Boner is the best bro.

Ya that's the pic that triggered me. I just can't remember anything yet. May need to see her to freshen up my memory. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7175236]Not sure if she is a rebrand but the pic of Yona K in denim shorts is a real pic, so if you saw her then she is easily recognized.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7175606]SBC lowered her premium rate. She rebrands as Karina as well by the way. The boss and her are probably not happy with me calling her out for her premium rate. I am sorry boss. I am grouchy when no HYA sends me to Boner heaven. At least I save bros some money. Boner is the best bro.[/QUOTE]Don't be sorry Boner. It's a deceptive practice (both rebranding and premium rates) and I would not want anyone to see Karina and be like, "oh it's you" and waste my time and effort only be left blue balled and frustrated. It's important to express if you think someone if worth the premium. Else we'll just get bled for all we're worth.

SBC or more likely the owner strikes again. They've been busy rebranding a good portion of their girls and shuffling them about. Luna is Nike from the infamous large derriere photos.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7175691]SBC or more likely the owner strikes again. They've been busy rebranding a good portion of their girls and shuffling them about. Luna is Nike from the infamous large derriere photos.[/QUOTE]Nice job! Spotting the rebrand and outing her.

Is rebranded Tifani PKL. TER I'd: 355251.

I'm like 90% sure that Stella with E-sized tits who just popped up was Jodie previously.

Yes, I am 99% certain. I guess business was slow so she changed pics and name.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7181990]I'm like 90% sure that Stella with E-sized tits who just popped up was Jodie previously.[/QUOTE]

I am just guessing. 80% odds. Supposedly 19 years old. I didn't buy it of course. New pics are nice tho.

CG Lily (Duo/Trio), CG Lavender, CG Kasey are also suspected rebrands. Pretty sure Lavender is an experienced girl that might have toured around. Baby Yang has been in SoCal before. Jina also rebranded from SeoYeon previously.

Another guess. 70% odds.

Aka Model Z in the Bay. TER: 393344. I haven't seen, but the streets recommend.

[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/baby-hana[/URL]

Peach Cafe Model Z TER ID: 393344.

[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/baby-sena[/URL]

Peach Cafe 8 Teen / Zlay. TER ID: 402863 and TER ID: 396192.

Aka 8 Teen. TER: 396192.

She's back as Baby Rosie and at 400/ hr now.

I am 80% sure [URL=https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/kendal]Elien[/URL] = [URL=https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/kelly3]Kendal[/URL]. Already saw Kendal and was intrigued by Elien pics until the Boner Sense (BS) struck again. It will be time for LeBoner to retire if all the "new" girls were boned by HIM from 5 to 10 years ago. If I still won't retire, I will create Hot Asian Grandmas (HAG) thread to make them popular. Everybody know Asians age like fine wine and the HAGs will still look 35, the peak of woman sexuality according to the OGs.

Fortunately I was still able to find the hottest girl in SoCal plus a new star to keep the Boning Streak (BS) alive.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7205684]Already saw Kendal and was intrigued by Elien pics until the Boner Sense (BS) struck again. It will be time for LeBoner to retire if all the "new" girls were boned by HIM from 5 to 10 years ago. If I still won't retire, I will create Hot Asian Grandmas (HAG) thread to make them popular. Everybody know Asians age like fine wine and the HAGs will still look 35, the peak of woman sexuality according to the OGs.[/QUOTE]

I'm soft. The older they get, the more exceptional they have to be for me to review. If a GILF is worth seeing, I'll say so but make it clear she's also a GILF. There are some MILFs I consider superior and on my exception list, so I proudly call them beautiful MILFs or MILFs even I would see with clear listed reasons. My ATF MILF is literally addicted to sucking cock and will happily do so for hh to an hour, which is not hard to verify. Of course, I don't review many MILFs due to my preferences.

Luckily, others fill in the rest. See this PSA:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33105-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls-in-OC&p=7203978&viewfull=1#post7203978[/URL] Honey PSA - LA's strong point

With HYA and borderline HYA I have no trouble listing their pros and cons because it's just a matter of "some will like her, some won't" and the intel is a win-win situation where both guys and girls would want those critical clues. Girls do not want to see disappointed guys. If a girl's physical description at least matches a guy's check list, then most guys will overlook a thing or two on service.

To reconcile these two opposites, I attempted for a few months to list every single HYA in OC. I comparing my lists to others thoroughly, and most were clear-cut with unanimous consensus. Just a few were borderline, but they were obviously not MILFs.

"Young and attractive" is an interesting combo because the Honey PSA illustrates it's "not worth faking" and exaggerating too hard. People could fake ymmv service or vague things, rather than easy to judge details. Same way there's no point in exaggerating boob size by 2 or more sizes. We all get that any guy can be off by 1 size, obviously most boobs don't line up with exact sizes anyways.

[I]HYA are usually clear cut, even if they offer nothing else in terms of service. By itself, it's not something impressive to most guys it is just a preference that can equally scare a guy away as much as it helps another guy. Attributes that most guys can agree on are the best ways to describe a girl, anyone can verify it easily. It works just like calling out DD boob sizes, "all natural boobs", hair length or skin color. Easy to verify, not valuable enough to fake.[/I]

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7205684]Fortunately I was still able to find the hottest girl in SoCal plus a new star to keep the Boning Streak (BS) alive.[/QUOTE]

As long as any HYA is among this list, my job is done:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=7197122&viewfull=1#post7197122[/URL] HYA reviews

Anyone who truly cares about HYA should already have what they need. Some HYA will leave in the coming weeks. More will come.

Baby Molly is a rebrand of baby ray for those who saw her before.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7205684]I am 80% sure [URL=https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/kendal]Elien[/URL] = [URL=https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/kelly3]Kendal[/URL]. Already saw Kendal and was intrigued by Elien pics until the Boner Sense (BS) struck again. It will be time for LeBoner to retire if all the "new" girls were boned by HIM from 5 to 10 years ago. If I still won't retire, I will create Hot Asian Grandmas (HAG) thread to make them popular. Everybody know Asians age like fine wine and the HAGs will still look 35, the peak of woman sexuality according to the OGs.[/QUOTE]Never saw Kendal, but saw Elien when she was in OC last summer. Face in pic is not her, maybe late 30's-40's and probably pretty when she was younger. Body much slimmer than the pics but very nice yoga type body. Unfortunately, her attitude was subpar and I consider my bar for attitude pretty low. Body could have changed though and attitude is YMMV, so take it with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=SoloBolo;7207734]Never saw Kendal, but saw Elien when she was in OC last summer. Face in pic is not her, maybe late 30's-40's and probably pretty when she was younger. Body much slimmer than the pics but very nice yoga type body. Unfortunately, her attitude was subpar and I consider my bar for attitude pretty low. Body could have changed though and attitude is YMMV, so take it with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]I saw Kendal in WLA many moons ago and agree with everything this OP has said. She was a one-and-done. She gives off "unwelcome vibes" she doesn't want to be there and that is clear.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7199696]She's back as Baby Rosie and at 400/ hr now.[/QUOTE]What agency is she with currently? Is she in LA?