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[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;6588964]You're a simp. That's all there is to it. She not going to fuck you for free for siding with her LOL.[/QUOTE]I was asking you a question, "Should we force a refund if the service is unsatisfactory? You know the answer, the rule of the Continental Hotel. Whatever names you call don't relate to the issue at hand. He cum, didn't pay.
Guys let's all squash this already and get on to better things.
I've been reading all the back and forth and I try my best to see things from everyone's point of view. From my personal experiences I do believe in quality of service provided as promised by the provider but also believe that if you did get sucked and fucked and nutted the provider should still get paid some money but not all as previously agreed. Since they did not provide all services as promised. I've done this with street pros, UTRs and sometimes non-pros but more with Pros / UTRs. Once the menu is discussed and a price agreed upon I'll let them know if the menu isn't fully provided I'll withhold some cash and let them know how much. It's up to them then to agree to that or not. If they don't then I just leave or just never meet up. I've had what I thought were non-pros try to upsell me on the day of the meet after we already discussed everything. I had a hot as fuck Persian UTR who I thought was a non-pro do that to me in the room. I have a hard max I spend and I wasn't going to spend more. So I told her nope and cancelled the meeting and luckily it wasn't to late to get my money back on the room. I've said it before I don't care how hot a provider is I don't spend more than my hard max. So if you already get a bad vibe from the provider and things don't feel good. Just leave and don't go through with it.
In this case SuelyBrah already has said he realized he accidentally didn't pay her and tried to make it right with the provider. But I believe there were already bad vibes between them right from the start of the meeting. I personally would have just canceled and left. Because I've been in situations like this before and know how it's going to end with crappy service. But I believe him that he tried to make it right but those bad vibes from the beginning really got to her and she's blocked him and washed herself of the situation. And I believe all of us here discussing this should just drop it as well and stop all this back and forth bickering. Move on! So much pussy out there no need to keep discussing this.
Peace!
[QUOTE=Lexx1;6589550]Guys let's all squash this already and get on to better things.
I've been reading all the back and forth and I try my best to see things from everyone's point of view. From my personal experiences I do believe in quality of service provided as promised by the provider but also believe that if you did get sucked and fucked and nutted the provider should still get paid some money but not all as previously agreed. Since they did not provide all services as promised. I've done this with street pros, UTRs and sometimes non-pros but more with Pros / UTRs. Once the menu is discussed and a price agreed upon I'll let them know if the menu isn't fully provided I'll withhold some cash and let them know how much. It's up to them then to agree to that or not. If they don't then I just leave or just never meet up. I've had what I thought were non-pros try to upsell me on the day of the meet after we already discussed everything. I had a hot as fuck Persian UTR who I thought was a non-pro do that to me in the room. I have a hard max I spend and I wasn't going to spend more. So I told her nope and cancelled the meeting and luckily it wasn't to late to get my money back on the room. I've said it before I don't care how hot a provider is I don't spend more than my hard max. So if you already get a bad vibe from the provider and things don't feel good. Just leave and don't go through with it.
In this case SuelyBrah already has said he realized he accidentally didn't pay her and tried to make it right with the provider. But I believe there were already bad vibes between them right from the start of the meeting. I personally would have just canceled and left. Because I've been in situations like this before and know how it's going to end with crappy service. But I believe him that he tried to make it right but those bad vibes from the beginning really got to her and she's blocked him and washed herself of the situation. And I believe all of us here discussing this should just drop it as well and stop all this back and forth bickering. Move on! So much pussy out there no need to keep discussing this.
Peace![/QUOTE]Well said again Lex.
At first, I wasn't going to post my whole story. But I figured it be something interesting for the community to read and learn from my mistake. But shit, who knew it stirred up all kinds of emotions. It sure showed me who can think clearly vs. Who jumps to conclusions based on their half asses reading.
It must have been about the 4th time now that I said I did not realize I had the donation on me until she texted me a few hours later, when I was well out of the city she was hosting. I tried to reply but she blocked me.
I also went through great length to explain that this was AN ACCIDENT. I always fulfill my end of the deal. But apparently, the white knights, trolls, simps, and ignorant fools some how got the idea that this is something I practice on a regular base. Idiots will be idiots.
Next good point is about feeling out the vibe of the session asap. If it feels off, call it off. This was my mistake here. I noticed her cold stare but I was wishful thinking that it would get better. Nope. It only got worse. This is the lesson to be learned.
Lastly, I agree that if the girl honors her menu and had reasonable attitude, and even though her skills sucks, the BJ was painful, she smelled like a dead fish, sounded like a dying donkey, didn't look quite like her pics, but the guy did the deed already, he should pay. This has definitely happened to me.
The girl was subpar, an unsatisfactory experience, yet I always paid them in full because that's what's agreed on.
However, I will let the fellas know to dodge a downer. That's just how it should go.
[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6589803]Well said again Lex.
At first, I wasn't going to post my whole story. But I figured it be something interesting for the community to read and learn from my mistake. But shit, who knew it stirred up all kinds of emotions. It sure showed me who can think clearly vs. Who jumps to conclusions based on their half asses reading.
It must have been about the 4th time now that I said I did not realize I had the donation on me until she texted me a few hours later, when I was well out of the city she was hosting. I tried to reply but she blocked me.
I also went through great length to explain that this was AN ACCIDENT. I always fulfill my end of the deal. But apparently, the white knights, trolls, simps, and ignorant fools some how got the idea that this is something I practice on a regular base. Idiots will be idiots.
Next good point is about feeling out the vibe of the session asap. If it feels off, call it off. This was my mistake here. I noticed her cold stare but I was wishful thinking that it would get better. Nope. It only got worse. This is the lesson to be learned.
Lastly, I agree that if the girl honors her menu and had reasonable attitude, and even though her skills sucks, the BJ was painful, she smelled like a dead fish, sounded like a dying donkey, didn't look quite like her pics, but the guy did the deed already, he should pay. This has definitely happened to me.
The girl was subpar, an unsatisfactory experience, yet I always paid them in full because that's what's agreed on.
However, I will let the fellas know to dodge a downer. That's just how it should go.[/QUOTE]Yeah once I saw a chunky Latina at Momo and forgot to pay her like 15 years ago.
I sure as hell didn't rush back to pay the mamasan. That would've been insane.
Its kinda on them if they forget to ask. This is their occupation and trade after all!
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6589347]I was asking you a question, "Should we force a refund if the service is unsatisfactory? You know the answer, the rule of the Continental Hotel. Whatever names you call don't relate to the issue at hand. He cum, didn't pay.[/QUOTE]Your question is stupid. You're trying to make it an ALL situation when it's a unique, one time thing. You're a simp. That's not name calling. That's fact. He didn't pay. So what? I don't give a shit.
[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;6590720]Your question is stupid. You're trying to make it an ALL situation when it's a unique, one time thing. You're a simp. That's not name calling. That's fact. He didn't pay. So what? I don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]I'm asking you that should we force a refund after unsatisfactory service?
Whether you know any fact via the internet is irrelevant; so is the name-calling.
No, you did give a shit that he didn't pay. You are encouraging him.
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6590774]I'm asking you that should we force a refund after unsatisfactory service?
Whether you know any fact via the internet is irrelevant; so is the name-calling.
No, you did give a shit that he didn't pay. You are encouraging him.[/QUOTE]To be fair, GimmeMoreHead is not encouraging or discouraging me here because what's done is already done. It's more like he's expressing how he feels about shitty attitude and service. It takes a man with balls to hold the line, have standards, and stand up to the grain. Based on the reactions we saw from my situation, it's safe to say that there's a decent amount of guys with this white knight complex out there. They always see the girl as the helpless victim and the guy as the perpetrator almost always. It's this bias, this simping, this white knighting complex that we're disgusted by.
You know that in domestic violence, it may be the man who hit the woman, but you know who is the one who started and instigated to that stage? Almost always the woman. I know LEO who have said this repeated. This fact is just something to think about. Something else to think about is how they encourage women to unite, while shaming us men to hang out, calling our behavior toxic masculinity. There's a host of thing against menhood these days. They encourage us to fight each other, see each other as competition and a threat. With that being said, I respect and value guys who live by the saying, "Bros before hoes. ".
[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6591028]To be fair, GimmeMoreHead is not encouraging or discouraging me here because what's done is already done. It's more like he's expressing how he feels about shitty attitude and service. It takes a man with balls to hold the line, have standards, and stand up to the grain. Based on the reactions we saw from my situation, it's safe to say that there's a decent amount of guys with this white knight complex out there. They always see the girl as the helpless victim and the guy as the perpetrator almost always. It's this bias, this simping, this white knighting complex that we're disgusted by.
You know that in domestic violence, it may be the man who hit the woman, but you know who is the one who started and instigated to that stage? Almost always the woman. I know LEO who have said this repeated. This fact is just something to think about. Something else to think about is how they encourage women to unite, while shaming us men to hang out, calling our behavior toxic masculinity. There's a host of thing against menhood these days. They encourage us to fight each other, see each other as competition and a threat. With that being said, I respect and value guys who live by the saying, "Bros before hoes. ".[/QUOTE]I don't give a shit if he trash anybody. That's the 1st amendment. Somebody else may have good experiences. But he endorses you, that she deserved not to be paid. This is wrong. That's not standing up for anything. If you find something wrong, you should put on your clothes and leave while still being charged for what you have done and what you have seen. The time you stayed implied your consent to her behavior.
If you have had enough of the troll, I suggest you click on the "Add to Ignore List" feature.
Your feed will clean up big time. .
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6590774]I'm asking you that should we force a refund after unsatisfactory service?
Whether you know any fact via the internet is irrelevant; so is the name-calling.
No, you did give a shit that he didn't pay. You are encouraging him.[/QUOTE]I'm glad that 304 didn't get paid for providing terrible service. But you do you and keep simping for these 304's. They still won't fuck you for free.
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6591173]I don't give a shit if he trash anybody. That's the 1st amendment. Somebody else may have good experiences. But he endorses you, that she deserved not to be paid. This is wrong. That's not standing up for anything. If you find something wrong, you should put on your clothes and leave while still being charged for what you have done and what you have seen. The time you stayed implied your consent to her behavior.[/QUOTE]There are no rules in this game. Foh with that simp shit.
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6591173]I don't give a shit if he trash anybody. That's the 1st amendment. Somebody else may have good experiences. But he endorses you, that she deserved not to be paid. This is wrong. That's not standing up for anything. If you find something wrong, you should put on your clothes and leave while still being charged for what you have done and what you have seen. The time you stayed implied your consent to her behavior.[/QUOTE]If you are going to make these rules for the girls, the same can be said for the guy.
So if the girl takes the guy's money, it's a rule that she must oblige to fulfil her service, honor her menu and have reasonable attitude.
Imagine if a crime boss, like a cartel, saw a girl. She took his money and did not fulfill her end of the deal. We all know what will happen to her don't we? She be lucky to be walking out of there with a few bruises. Now don't go and say that I'm advocating for violence. I know some of these forum trolls will do that.
My case and point is this:
What's the difference between a regular client vs. An underground boss? The boss makes sure he gets what he paid for or else there's consequences. He holds a standard. He holds the line. He has the balls and muscle to do what's needed.
The rest of you just wimp out and let the girls get away with impunity. Not only that, you guys justify their action, defend it, and white knight for them. That part is what I find most despicable.
You don't have to be a boss to have standards and expectation. But whatever you do, don't go defending injustice against guys.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;6595225]Thanks for info! I know not many care for Hari, but with this new agency and bb special instead of upcharge with her, I'll be seeing her more often!
[URL]https://www.black-pearl.us/allgems[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;6596018]Tried to book a girl on there never recently and never got any reply. The girls ads and rates are bullshit. Probably a device to get phone numbers of mongers.[/QUOTE]Weird that CF is pushing this site.
Site looks sketchy.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6596930]Weird that CF is pushing this site.
Site looks sketchy.[/QUOTE]Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;6597028]Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I replied to a guy who replied to your post on Ari. That guy asked what fans of Ari see in her. I laid out my case in some detail because I have been led into some regrettable sessions by people whom I think have lower or unusual standards for the things I like. For example, the leanness vs. Juicy ass trade-off. I find that many people have lower standards for what I could consider a juicy ass.
And of course, there are certain people who think every Asian girl is hot and incorrectly guess their ages, usually guessing 10 to 15 years younger.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;6597028]Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Fair enough its all good. I just thought it was strange.
FWIW I haven't even seen your Ari review. It wasn't about that. It was the promotion of that site.
I'm confused man. You came on the forum to ask for feedback, then you got an overwhelming amount of feedback that said you were indeed in the wrong. But you kept replying to said feedback with your justification to try and convince us that you weren't in the wrong. But ultimately it was disingenuous, because you had already made up your mind about what you wanted to do and you didn't really care about what the rest of the dudes had to say.
Then you started name-calling because she blocked you (despite that being one of the first things that someone told you would happen with her and her crew if you didn't pay her), and accused the folks that disagreed with you as White Knights. Which is the same manipulation tactic that you said the provider used with you. Peculiar ain't it?
That said, next time just be straight up. Don't BS the forum. Do what you wanted to do to begin with without dragging us into it and wasting everyone's fucking time and the forum's precious bandwidth.
[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6589803]Well said again Lex.
At first, I wasn't going to post my whole story. But I figured it be something interesting for the community to read and learn from my mistake. But shit, who knew it stirred up all kinds of emotions. It sure showed me who can think clearly vs. Who jumps to conclusions based on their half asses reading.
It must have been about the 4th time now that I said I did not realize I had the donation on me until she texted me a few hours later, when I was well out of the city she was hosting. I tried to reply but she blocked me.
I also went through great length to explain that this was AN ACCIDENT. I always fulfill my end of the deal. But apparently, the white knights, trolls, simps, and ignorant fools some how got the idea that this is something I practice on a regular base. Idiots will be idiots.
Next good point is about feeling out the vibe of the session asap. If it feels off, call it off. This was my mistake here. I noticed her cold stare but I was wishful thinking that it would get better. Nope. It only got worse. This is the lesson to be learned.
Lastly, I agree that if the girl honors her menu and had reasonable attitude, and even though her skills sucks, the BJ was painful, she smelled like a dead fish, sounded like a dying donkey, didn't look quite like her pics, but the guy did the deed already, he should pay. This has definitely happened to me.
The girl was subpar, an unsatisfactory experience, yet I always paid them in full because that's what's agreed on.
However, I will let the fellas know to dodge a downer. That's just how it should go.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6711233]Bro I'm asian and go to korea 1-2 times a year. I have civie friends more attractive than your list. And what's your real ethnicity? While I agree Haven is cute...[/QUOTE]1. Finallyyyyy! First, let's just agree that Haven is cute. Hehe. She's HYA to me and many other reviewers here and elsewhere. Superlative natural face and boobs. Nonghyup Bank.
2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like — and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.
3. The Chloe Kim reference was a dig at Slim's pretty two-dimensional post history LOL. The TMNT visual comparison is pretty good. So it *is* possible for you to make good visual references. Keep up the good work lmao.
4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.
5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.
P.S. AlexisDavis wow at your list. Thank you for pushing us to be better. Shout out to Boner for his attempt at a Tittysburg Address. We're all degenerates here, but let's try to be better, more informed degenerates that don't settle for oversimplified generalizations.
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2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.
[/QUOTE]Bora Kim?? Lmaoo that's an even worse comparison. I don't even know how you draw a line between Haven and Bora kim. You can "see" whoever you want to see, but these comparisons diminish your claims of having a superior, nuanced eye. That was my initial point. And again, I have nothing against Zebra, but he said Yujin is ATF LOL. Stop making up concepts like "fractional similarity". Just say her nose looks like so and so's. You say you don't want oversimplified generalizations, but these comparisons are, by definition, just that. You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgänger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize.
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4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.
[/QUOTE]If you're man in your 30's don't say things like "I'm uncomfortable" - makes you sound whiny. And don't try to twist that into me flexing. I knew she's not from seoul as soon as she started speaking due to the accent. Any korean would pick up on that. Oh no! I've outed her! There's only a gazillion korean girls outside of seoul.
Here's what you constitute as white logic: (1) yt people are always the first to call 40-somethings young 😂 and (2) they have like one type when it comes to Korean girls.
I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven.
[QUOTE=Subak77;6711743]
5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.
[/QUOTE]This argument really shows how little you know. I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk. NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries. I know Haven is your gf, but facts are facts. She needed to relocate. Don't take it personally. "Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL" Again shows you're not aware of how different OC / LA markets are. Logistically easier to just move to OC under same agency and tap into new market. You get ambitious SD mongers too.
[QUOTE=KLoverPanda;6712434]I saw Yujin last week because of some of the good reviews. She's a pretty cute women. But she's def not HYA. This ***** is in her 30's and had a baby a while back. She has scars on her stomach and if you ask her what her tattoo near lower back means it's her child's name LOL.
I would not repeat. Nothing egregious. She's pretty but IMO she's a 7/10 with nice tits. She could barely take my dick (prob my fault since I can pound the whole hour). I felt like I was killing someone the way she was moaning. Service she tries hard but she doesn't know what she's doing. I like women who know how to fuck well or are seasoned pros to satisfy my demons. If they are not good at the deed, they better be hot and young as hell.
Don't get me wrong. She's not ugly. But some of the reviews LOL. I wonder if people are going blind or just falling in love with working girls.
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[QUOTE=Lapmusa;6712714]Exactly. Yujin was not exciting. She's the most plastics face I have seen in a while. Service wise, she's just laying there.[/QUOTE]Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6712946] You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgnger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize. [/QUOTE]I'll ignore most of your ad homs bc what's the point, but the Yeji comparison has been made and not only by me. Moon / Lady has the same cat face, similar facial structure, and a pretty large LA fan base whenever she comes back through town. Are you saying there's *zero* resemblance? Bc then I think you're blind. I said doppelganger in a moment of hyperbole before you and Slim came for me lmao!! I'll just call everyone baseline ugly from now on bc you seem to only want to bang HYA 10's for a couple hundred dollars an hour LMAO. See Shinjuku's comment on the impossibility of what you're asking for.
Anyway, I have conviction in my comparisons, and I know for a fact Zebra's eyes are sharp when it comes to noting visual references (even if he has slightly different *preferences* lmao which is totally fine). I'll note too that you do have good observations and I agree with some of the descriptions / details you note (for example, Chloe Kim and TMNT but cute). You have weird flexes but bro I'm so sincerely happy that you have dudes sliding into your DMs? I have talked to folks agreeing with me too, and Haven's positive reviews in the OC HYA thread speak to her all-around cuteness and GFE service. Yeah let's agree to always disagree on this on this then lmao.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6712946] I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven. [/QUOTE]I agree with Celine being in mid-30's BTW. Heavy makeup fr but her general prettiness made her feel younger, which is always how it goes. BTW I would put Freesia in early- to mid-30's, too, but bc again her visuals (and mannerisms) help to make her feel more youthful.
My top 5 are pretty varied across face and body type LOL. It's also clear that there's a singular (and sometimes boring) standard of "beauty" which we all kind of understand to be some combo of super skinny and big-ish boobs (I'm thinking about Freesia), and "pretty" face in a classic sense (I'm thinking about Celine, NG, Erica's face). I do think there is a breadth to who constitutes HYA and not only in the "classical" sense, as if there's only one correct answer. Subjectivity and whatnot.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6712946] I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk. [/QUOTE]Isn't intellectualizing what you're doing here? We're actually both just theorizing about what's happening and that's fine. Actually, I think paying *more* attention to trends can only be a good thing for mongers to think outside of all of their heads, little and otherwise. I agree LA is the biggest market, but you're also acting like the demand is strong and consistent all the time — that's not the case now in Nov / Dec 2023, and it wasn't the case in Nov / Dec 2022 and Nov / Dec 2021. There are clear seasonal shifts in demand *and* other variables that you're just crudely dismissing as trivial but, in reality, they affect the day-to-day earning potential for girls. I know a number of married mongers who had to step away after the bust bc they were scared of LE (but more of their wives finding out).
"True top tier girls are recession-proof. " This is also again crude and just plain wrong. The influx of J-girls and a number of JAV stars (as everyone knows) are literally coming to the US because of Japan's economic contractions in July-September 2023. (Are they true top-tier? Idk but I don't fuk with J-girls LOL.) You are making an idealized claim that really hot girls will always make money and that's probably like the LeBron / Messi analogy that somebody mentioned earlier about Freesia LOL. Yeah fine, super super hot girls will find a way to make money. But by and large (as Shinjuku noted), the LA market is a little bit different from that reality. True top-tier girls are probably in Macau or Dubai or some other place where working conditions (smaller dicks, more not-asshole customers, higher pay) are better. So are the HYAs (based on vibe) here in the LA market recession-proof? Probably not. Some of the girls who were booked for 3-4 weeks solid in the spring and summer are finding that business is a lot slower now for all kinds of reasons. It's kind of obtuse to ignore those as "not important if the girl is hot enough. " LOL hotness unfortunately does not solve all problems. All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.
Also, the LA / OC / SD market overlap has always been there. SD mongers drive to LA all the time, and some LA mongers with time / resources will drive down to SD. Shrug. Haven's still in LA area as far as I'm concerned.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6712946] NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries.[/QUOTE]OK, on NG as case study. She's not a good case study for understanding what's happening in the industry in Nov / Dec 2023 bc she's not around. Chalk it up to good timing or whatever, but she avoided this slowdown in business and good for her. She'll be back tho bc she's shrewd (as you noted) and she loves money and hustling mongers LOL. Observation. Not hate here.
So, first, NG is not really HYA lololol sorry but she's got to be pushing 40 easily. But I do understand how and why she becomes a lot of people's ATF. She's a shrewd professional and that has less to do with HYA and more to do with her keen business acument. She works dudes with money and knows how to do it with savvy. That's how she landed those daddies. She also lets dudes do a lot to her in session that brings her up in the service rankings easily (and maybe make her "look" hotter bc that's how that goes sometimes). That's fine. But she's not doing it only on the basis of her so-called HYA looks. So she's a case study for business school fr but not for HYA only whatever.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6712963]Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.[/QUOTE]I think my comment was edited haha. Boner do comments get edited before being posted in the forum? I put some more stuff in the original that didn't come through. For example, I called someone a baboon lmfao.
What's with these argument novella posts lately? Mongers be getting attached to their favs feeling the need to come to their defenses on an online forum.
Can we please get back to posting reviews and recommendations for potential HYAs. IDK about why'all but I use this forum to guide my decisions about whether I'm going to spend my $$$ on a HYA or not.
If you want to have a back and forth with someone, there's a perfectly good PM system on this forum. We don't need this clouded with your sidebar conversation.
Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.
Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.
Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).
I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.
None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.
The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.
Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.
I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.
Age, weight, race.
Look, I'm not expecting every monger to be ripped. But god damn, but please some hygiene.
Some y'all (not sure if that dude is reading this forum) are fuckin nasty.
Ho ho ho!
I braved the LA Friday traffic. That beach booker told me to go up immediately. But I was left high and dry at the door. Total communication broke down. I can wait but this is ghetto. She must had been doing a QV for a hundred or two. So much disrespect. I left. I wasn't far when she called me back and offered a discount. No way. $50 cannot buy my dignity. At least $100. But she hesitated for a few minutes. Or the booker asked for approval. Too late. If I return she lost only $100. If I don't, she lost all $500. That will teach her a lesson.
[QUOTE=Subak77;6713157]All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.[/QUOTE]Again nope I'm not fcking theorizing, its not complicated, its pretty simple. You're either HYA or you're not, and if you're true HYA, you will stay busy enough over a long period of time in LA without needing to move cities IN SPITE of seasonality and all the other factors I've mentioned before (wives, gfs, recessions, LE busts, covid, stds), because BROS can't GET ENOUGH OF HYA. The house and agency have overhead. You think theyre going to let a slow girl take up a room in mid wilshire, where typically popular girls work or where they can test new girls?
"Whenever Lady moon comes back through town" Hmmm I wonder why girls like Moon and Baby Joo need to consistently circulate to other cities like OC and Vegas, then back to LA. If only they were busy enough to STAY in LA, as other top tier girls hmm. The fact that you think Chloe Kim, who has a flat, fat pancake face, is cute, DQs you having any credible judgement on attractiveness. And I think its funny that you've been backtracking on Haven, only saying she's cute now. Only if there was an acronym for Cute Young Asian. Facts are facts. The LA market has spoken on Haven. We unleashed our loads during her first tour but most of us didn't go for more during her second tour. She's just another ho, don't get in your feelings. Maybe she'll come back when she's slow in OC.
Hot and young is a combination of attributes that represents the top tier sub-category of physical attractiveness. It's meant to be a small club.
You saying OC and LA are the same is the most clown thing you've said. Let me guess, you're both a dogers and angels fan lmao. I forget who said this before but someone made a good analogy. OC is JV and LA is the pros.
Bro your example of the j-girl influx exactly proves my point. If they were top tier girls in their homebase, do you think they would have to resort to trying tricks in LA?? Sure economy is bad in Japan, but did the porn or escort industry completely shut down? BTW I'm talking about LA market within the US landscape. Did I ever say the hottest working girls in the entire world are in LA?? And let's see what has happened with all the j girls that have come to LA. 95% vanished after short attempt and even the higher reviewed ones like Baby coco or Baby momo have gone to other cities.
I guess Haven is whoring out of the goodness of her heart and she's here as part of a christian missionary. Bro I brought up NG simply as an example to show there are levels to this and she's a girl that has been consistently highly reviewed by many people to be HYA, and stayed busy enough to STAY IN LA. And why do the non-physical traits of NG discount her being HYA, but for Haven, her so-called HYA label is inclusive of her personality? Ever thought her acting cute is a way to make you come back and hustle your ass?
Yeah, unfortunately for the girls, the vast majority of this is just work. They generally don't get to pick whom they see. Just like our jobs, we have our good clients / experiences, and we have the clients / experiences that we hate and detest. And most of the time, we have to just deal with it.
There have been countless times a girls has told me a story about a monger they saw who stank, had a bad attitude, or wasn't clean, etc. And a few times, based on what the monger wrote here, I'll know it was that guy. And of course, he writes about it like it was an amazing time (which I'm sure it was, for him). Most of these girls do a fantastic job of making us believe that they really like being with us. That doesn't mean they can't enjoy it every once in a while, with the right people. But most of the time, it is still just a job to them.
Once girls start giving you freebies / discounts, or want to hang out with you for free outside, you know that they actually like you. Maybe not enough to date you, but at least enough to want to spend time with you to have some fun outside of work.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6718013]Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.
Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.
Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).
I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.
None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.
The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.
Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;6720158]Yep, some of the dudes that visit Kgirl are gross. I have a story similar to this as well. I had just finished destroying Kelly while she was Cindy's roommate and we were heading out but Cindy had just finished and me and Kelly were peeking thru the door while the guy was leaving and I kid you not this guy was like over 300 pounds and had sweat stains on his shirt idk how because he had prob just showered Cindy finally got him to leave all smiles until she shut the door her face did a total 180 it was a face of total disgust I felt bad for her. Me and Kelly walked out and Cindy was still there saw me and Kelly glued together basically and told me in her broken English that why I hadn't seen her before that she prefers to see young handsome men I just smirked and said maybe next time. Kelly said something In Korean and Cindy pulled me over pulled my pants down and was shocked at my size while I was soft she asked me how much bigger it got when hard I told her to stoke me a bit to find out so here I am in the living room with Cindy stroking my dick and Kelly fondling my balls. Until I was full mast Cindy let out a little yelp and Kelly started laughing and Cindy said to not see her because she would not be able to handle me. Then looked at Kelly and asked her how she could take me and Kelly just laughed and said that she loves big dick and started walking me to door. I told her to chill a bit because I was still hard until I started going soft and I headed out. I walk out and I kid you not the guy that just had Cindy still hadn't made it down the hall so I decided to take the stairs instead to avoid them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6718013]Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.
Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.
Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).
I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.
None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.
The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.
Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.
I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.
Age, weight, race..[/QUOTE]It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.
The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.
[QUOTE=TempletonRat;6721683]It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.
The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.[/QUOTE]You should see the dudes that walkout of Kgirls appts on the westside!
5'0-5'3, super duper coke bottle glasses, tummy hanging down below shirt (probably hasn't seen his of penis in many years when he looks down), pushing 300 lbs for being 5'3 under and even some.
Dudes 5'5-5'7. Man tiities size of c cups, greasy ass hair, when he walks he breathing like he just ran a marathon, looks dept 5, etc.
[QUOTE=Nessant;6726296]They have so much experience, whether it be negative or positive is their perception of things but it leans more towards negative, that it has to mold the way they think, talk, act, move about, etc. You can't live a lifestyle for a certain amount of time and it not become apart of you to some extent, at least imo.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6726288]It is proven fact that the behavior change is extremely challenging and requires consistent effort and intentional modification of habits. Cognitive dissonance, the power of habit, homeostasis, and the desire for immediate gratification can make behavior change difficult. It requires taking small steps towards behavior change is crucial, and patience and persistence are essential in achieving self-improvement goals and when the hoe gets a huge sense of entitlement and does not believe that there is anything wrong with what she has done in past, good luck to any man who mingle with these hoes.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.
Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.
And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.
[QUOTE=Subak77;6726636]I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.
Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.
And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]All that bullshit of the work we have to do goes out the fucking window when they put a price tag on their pussy. Please post this shit elsewhere. It's a transaction, I give them money they give me service. Yes it should be respectful, agreed, but fuck all that 4th wave shit.
Seriously, don't post that shit on a review thread again.
A2.
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[QUOTE=PriscillaM;6727596][URL]https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/eve/d/palmdale-crossdresser-bottom-for-hiv/7700896082.html[/URL][/QUOTE]What the hell are you trying to do to us here on Christmas Eve, Priscilla?!
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6731634]YMMV as always bruh.
Can you blame any of these girls for having an off day considering their line of work, volume of mongers & all types of mongers they got to put up with?
Especially the type of mongers as I mentioned before. Rude mongoloid deformities that threw even me off just by catching a glimpse of them.
Imagine having to do the deed with them. LOL.[/QUOTE]Here we go again, trying to elicit pity for girls by putting down fellow mongers. Why?
These girls made the choice to do what they do.
They girls may be close to Hollywood geographically, but George Clooney, Matt Damon and Ryan Gosling ain't walking through that door. And everyone including them knows it.
Why does anyone have to imagine to do the deed with mongers? Do we get paid? Many guys wouldn't mind getting paid 300/ hr for sex with a big woman who is ugly. Some guys pay for such sex so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind getting it AND the $$.
And as far as "off days" go, most instances it's not really one off day, it's multiple if you collect all the data points. Also, if I go fix my car at a car shop and then a wheel falls off while I'm driving, how much will I care that the mechanic had an off day? Not much. I'm going to rip him a new one on yelp. We all do our jobs. If we can't do our jobs, we take actual days off where we don't do our jobs. Seems simple and straightforward concept.
Why is there a need to rag on fellow mongers' appearance to defend a drop in service? Why is there no accountability but rather deflection of blame to something irrelevant?
[QUOTE=RocketManP;6732277]Here we go again, trying to elicit pity for girls by putting down fellow mongers. Why?
These girls made the choice to do what they do.
They girls may be close to Hollywood geographically, but George Clooney, Matt Damon and Ryan Gosling ain't walking through that door. And everyone including them knows it.
Why does anyone have to imagine to do the deed with mongers? Do we get paid? Many guys wouldn't mind getting paid 300/ hr for sex with a big woman who is ugly. Some guys pay for such sex so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind getting it AND the $$.
And as far as "off days" go, most instances it's not really one off day, it's multiple if you collect all the data points. Also, if I go fix my car at a car shop and then a wheel falls off while I'm driving, how much will I care that the mechanic had an off day? Not much. I'm going to rip him a new one on yelp. We all do our jobs. If we can't do our jobs, we take actual days off where we don't do our jobs. Seems simple and straightforward concept.
Why is there a need to rag on fellow mongers' appearance to defend a drop in service? Why is there no accountability but rather deflection of blame to something irrelevant?[/QUOTE]Dog, you couldn't get me to fk a big ugly gal for a million $.
I'd need retirement money to do that LOL.
So to each their own.
Accountability runs both ways. Common courtesy amongst mongers. Like NOT going raw with a chick if you even THINK you have an STD.
Even if its Ryan Gosling. Just take a damn shower. Use soap, not pizza grease. And put on some clean clothes.
I don't think this is asking for much.
I did not say all mongers are mongoloid monstrosities.
Its not 100% pity for the girls, its for ME as well. I PERSONALLY don't want to see Shrek 2. 0 coming out before me.
Your analogy of wheels falling off is not comparable. 1st step is to just go back to the shop and ask them to fix it & there are methods of recourse in this case.
Whereas mongering offers nearly none.
What I'm describing is like buying a used prius and getting mad at the prius that it aint running properly because the previous owner ran it up 100 k miles off-roading the thing.
[QUOTE=PounderMC;6707859]Met her at the ***** club, went to her pad at Wilshire, waited 15 minutes for her to get ready. So only had 40 minutes of time. Parking sucks at that location. She is just not into it.
Looks=7. 8.
Service=5.
Spent upcharge=1 full upcharge.
Not worth it spending bottles for her. No repeat, I had better with the full upcharge bottles I spent. YMMV.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PounderMC;6734870]To me it would be worth it just to hard XXX her small box and maybe wreck it, LOL.[/QUOTE]Uhhh people always ask what's wrong with LA mongers. Ain't exactly salt of the earth type mfs out here.
[QUOTE=Subak77;6735313]Uhhh people always ask what's wrong with LA mongers. Ain't exactly salt of the earth type mfs out here.[/QUOTE]It is part of the game, don't hate the player. So chill out.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6733390]Dog, you couldn't get me to fk a big ugly gal for a million $.
I'd need retirement money to do that LOL.
So to each their own.
Accountability runs both ways. Common courtesy amongst mongers. Like NOT going raw with a chick if you even THINK you have an STD.
Even if its Ryan Gosling. Just take a damn shower. Use soap, not pizza grease. And put on some clean clothes.
I don't think this is asking for much.
I did not say all mongers are mongoloid monstrosities.
Its not 100% pity for the girls, its for ME as well. I PERSONALLY don't want to see Shrek 2. 0 coming out before me.
Your analogy of wheels falling off is not comparable. 1st step is to just go back to the shop and ask them to fix it & there are methods of recourse in this case.
Whereas mongering offers nearly none.
What I'm describing is like buying a used prius and getting mad at the prius that it aint running properly because the previous owner ran it up 100 k miles off-roading the thing.[/QUOTE]What does going raw with std have to do with the rest of your post?
You tried eliciting sympathy for the girl when she was criticized, by deflecting blame onto mongers and attacking their looks.
Now you're moving goalposts to stds.
Girls CAN and should be criticized, they're selling a product / service that is evaluated and open for criticism. Think of a performance review oor a critic's review.
But for some people, the girls can do no wrong, they don't fart etc. And the moment they get criticized, a deus ex machina is brought up and blame is deflected.
Um no, if a wheel falls off while I'm driving, there is no taking it back to the shop. I'm ripping the shop a new one on yelp, I'm suing them, and I'm publicly recommending everyone else I know or don't know, to stay the fuck away. And when the shop closes I'm popping bottles. Its your responsibility to do the job properly if you consider yourself able to do the job.
If a doctor fucks up my surgery, I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm not going back and say oh no the poor thing had little sleep let me try to get him to operate on me again, maybe next time it will get better. He's getting his shit pushed back publicly and I won't mnce words. If my Uber driver gets into an accident that hurts me, I'm not giving them five stars and saying oh no he just had an off day.
You fucked up, take accountability for it.
You didn't say all mongers are monstrosities, right. I didn't say you did. But you claimed some are in order to deflect blame.
I am pro-monger and just like many people have sympathy for girls, I have sympathy for mongers. Blaming them for their looks and then trying to absolve blame from the seller, is low and extremely unfair to fellow buyers / mongers. I wish people would stop doing this and accept that sellers have accountability too. But I guess many think just because providers sling pussy they must be worshipped or something and all their faults deflected to someone else.
Subak77 thinks I am too rough with his future wife ESME. LOL A 2024 greetings.
[QUOTE=PounderMC;6735749]Subak77 thinks I am too rough with his future wife ESME. LOL A 2024 greetings.[/QUOTE]? I'll keep this short before we all get sent to the LA bullshit thread. It's more about you than you seem to acknowledge bruh. Who hurt you? You articulated your intention to hurt a girl (Esme) and make a joke of it. Makes one wonder why another girl (Freesia) would have kicked you out early or given you a bad session. Yes girls are engaging in a transaction but customers are not entitled to them.