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[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4188943]Here's an article on how cops were able to get into a Florida AMP to install cameras.

[URL]https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/unsealed-warrants-show-how-cops-got-into-florida-massage-parlor/article_d03e3b71-6b87-54f9-a0ef-4cdfd8960e3a.html[/URL]

Which leads to the question: is Uncle LEO actually concerned with alleged "human trafficking" or is he simply being voyeuristic? Either way, his tactics raise some serious legal and constitutional issues.[/QUOTE]All this paranoia is funny. I mean after all, you do partake in mongering, so you should expect some type of risk when you monger whether or not this bust happened down in Florida. Regardless of what's going on in Florida and how the cops set up some high tech peeping tom sting, I will continue to monger at places that I trust and with providers that I have known for a while. I'm not going to let Florida completely make me quit mongering. On the plus side, I have been able to get a lot easier last second appointments with a couple of my regular providers (who are normally busy at any one time of the day) because most mongers are now scared to visit AMPs. It clears out the competition. LOL.

Now that everybody is exhibiting righteous indignation over folks paying bribes to get their kids into college, we should be happy that it has eclipsed news about mongers getting happy endings.

[QUOTE=Madness322;4190089]Now that everybody is exhibiting righteous indignation over folks paying bribes to get their kids into college, we should be happy that it has eclipsed news about mongers getting happy endings.[/QUOTE]Any respite is likely to be temporary. As a fellow monger reported a few posts ago, there was a major bust in Seattle recently. There were also busts in Maryland and Oregon prior to the one in Florida. Like it or not, Uncle LEO and the anti-trafficking do-gooders are on a roll. They're being aided and abetted by the majority of the media which have, for the most part, bought the anti-trafficking propaganda hook, line and sinker. While there are a few brave souls out there raising questions, most modern "journalists" appear unwilling to engage in actual professional journalism these days.

Yes, the college bribery scandal is a welcome temporary diversion for us mongers. While the respective acting careers of Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin might be adversely affected, however, I seriously doubt either of them will spend 20 years in federal prison. On the other hand, Uncle LEO would love nothing more than to pile on when it comes to mongering. He might even want to try and catch us off-guard, so we need to remain ever-vigilant.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4190232]Any respite is likely to be temporary. As a fellow monger reported a few posts ago, there was a major bust in Seattle recently. There were also busts in Maryland and Oregon prior to the one in Florida. Like it or not, Uncle LEO and the anti-trafficking do-gooders are on a roll. They're being aided and abetted by the majority of the media which have, for the most part, bought the anti-trafficking propaganda hook, line and sinker. While there are a few brave souls out there raising questions, most modern "journalists" appear unwilling to engage in actual professional journalism these days.

Yes, the college bribery scandal is a welcome temporary diversion for us mongers. While the respective acting careers of Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin might be adversely affected, however, I seriously doubt either of them will spend 20 years in federal prison. On the other hand, Uncle LEO would love nothing more than to pile on when it comes to mongering. He might even want to try and catch us off-guard, so we need to remain ever-vigilant.[/QUOTE]Are what drive the pseudo anti-trafficking efforts. Before the "T" word became popularized you could always expect prostitution stings in the run-up to elections, especially close ones, for Sheriff, Mayor, District Atty, etc.

The newer variable in the mix is the availability of significant grant money for "anti-trafficking" and also money gained from asset forfeiture. By labeling pretty much every garden-variety prostitution activity as "trafficking," it's like shooting fish in a barrel and I don't see anything out there with the potential to stop it.

A few media articles that are sympathetic to women who work voluntarily won't move the needle. And the clients? Fuhgeddaboudit. The only thing that could put a dent in things are court rulings that might slap down some of the most egregious excesses by LE. It's possible some of the issues re camera use in the Florida case could result in such rulings. Hard to say because we haven't yet seen the details of the challenges.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4190297]Are what drive the pseudo anti-trafficking efforts. Before the "T" word became popularized you could always expect prostitution stings in the run-up to elections, especially close ones, for Sheriff, Mayor, District Atty, etc.

The newer variable in the mix is the availability of significant grant money for "anti-trafficking" and also money gained from asset forfeiture. By labeling pretty much every garden-variety prostitution activity as "trafficking," it's like shooting fish in a barrel and I don't see anything out there with the potential to stop it.

A few media articles that are sympathetic to women who work voluntarily won't move the needle. And the clients? Fuhgeddaboudit. The only thing that could put a dent in things are court rulings that might slap down some of the most egregious excesses by LE. It's possible some of the issues re camera use in the Florida case could result in such rulings. Hard to say because we haven't yet seen the details of the challenges.[/QUOTE][URL]https://wjla.com/news/local/human-trafficking-operation-arlington-10-misdemeanor-felony-charges[/URL]

Not sure who in here was underage or being trafficked, but there you go. Looks like a simple bait operation by LEO. I prefer the ladies who screen -- I can't imagine they usually get rounded up in these sweeps. Stay safe.

Figure I would post this as it ran across my feed this afternoon. Getting a little too close for comfort if you ask me. Think individual providers should be fine, but what about agencies / K-agencies? Thoughts?

[URL]https://www.arlnow.com/2019/03/27/arlington-police-fbi-arrest-9-after-prostitution-bust/?fbclid=IwAR2xEbzQ6tOataDRD_tDrpDaYaQAfFeUL0jYGdc8mPHyCa5DAg_jjRNV_xU[/URL]

[QUOTE=ITom1284;4208900][URL]https://wjla.com/news/local/human-trafficking-operation-arlington-10-misdemeanor-felony-charges[/URL]

Not sure who in here was underage or being trafficked, but there you go. Looks like a simple bait operation by LEO. I prefer the ladies who screen -- I can't imagine they usually get rounded up in these sweeps. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]This appears to be nothing more than a prostitution bust disguised as an anti-trafficking operation. Perhaps it's an excuse for Uncle LEO to apply for more grants from anti-trafficking do-gooders. After all, it's budget time for local governments.

As far as screening, it depends on the information involved. Requesting sensitive personal information, such as your name and your employer's name, is completely unnecessary. It risks the possibility of Uncle LEO getting your personal information and including your mugshot in one of these news briefs should a provider who screens ever get busted.

[QUOTE=DPowers1888;4208943]Figure I would post this as it ran across my feed this afternoon. Getting a little too close for comfort if you ask me. Think individual providers should be fine, but what about agencies / K-agencies? Thoughts?

[URL]https://www.arlnow.com/2019/03/27/arlington-police-fbi-arrest-9-after-prostitution-bust/?fbclid=IwAR2xEbzQ6tOataDRD_tDrpDaYaQAfFeUL0jYGdc8mPHyCa5DAg_jjRNV_xU[/URL][/QUOTE]Agencies can and have been busted, not just individual providers. If anything, targeting agencies would allow Uncle LEO to cast a wider net and grab more mongers as well as providers.

Speaking of agencies, I'm wondering if the Asian woman charged in this particular bust was associated with the Asian crapshoot. Another monger recently noted they had a location at a budget motel just over the Arlington / Falls Church line.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4209965]Agencies can and have been busted, not just individual providers. If anything, targeting agencies would allow Uncle LEO to cast a wider net and grab more mongers as well as providers.

Speaking of agencies, I'm wondering if the Asian woman charged in this particular bust was associated with the Asian crapshoot. Another monger recently noted they had a location at a budget motel just over the Arlington / Falls Church line.[/QUOTE]Was the guy a John or was he just the driver? Felony for him?

From the news article "Savage said police and FBI investigated classified ads suspected of involving child sex trafficking".

I have yet to see any ads that suggested child sex trafficking. Just where would these pop up? Or is this just more "Fake News"?

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4209853]This appears to be nothing more than a prostitution bust disguised as an anti-trafficking operation. Perhaps it's an excuse for Uncle LEO to apply for more grants from anti-trafficking do-gooders. After all, it's budget time for local governments.

As far as screening, it depends on the information involved. Requesting sensitive personal information, such as your name and your employer's name, is completely unnecessary. It risks the possibility of Uncle LEO getting your personal information and including your mugshot in one of these news briefs should a provider who screens ever get busted.[/QUOTE]There's simply no way to escape the fact that LE and the media have successfully redefined pretty much every prostitution-related activity as trafficking. Reality, logic, and truth have become irrelevant. By repeating the lie long enough and loudly enough, without any real challenge, they've made it stick.

And what that means is that LE pretty much has a blank check to go after anything or anyone in the hobby under the pretext that they're battling against trafficking. And the new wrinkle is starting investigations with a claim that they suspect "child trafficking" is going on. It doesn't matter if they don't find anything even remotely close to trafficking. They just throw the net out there and arrest anyone who gets caught up in it.

IMHO, the only hobby activity that's able to escape the redefinition is for a single client to visit a single provider who has absolutely nobody (no driver, no scheduler, no shared rooms or expenses, nothing) helping her. The minute any other person is involved that gives LE the hook they need to at least allege the possibility of trafficking. Only a true independent has a chance of escaping that net. Of course, all the garden-variety prostitution charges would still apply. But I doubt that would interest LE when there are so many pseudo-trafficking fish waiting to be caught.

[blue]I think the Kraft case is going to change all of that. I think that the city of Jupiter is going to have to admit that they lied and that they lied in order to get more federal funds.

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[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4210615]There's simply no way to escape the fact that LE and the media have successfully redefined pretty much every prostitution-related activity as trafficking. Reality, logic, and truth have become irrelevant. By repeating the lie long enough and loudly enough, without any real challenge, they've made it stick.

And what that means is that LE pretty much has a blank check to go after anything or anyone in the hobby under the pretext that they're battling against trafficking. And the new wrinkle is starting investigations with a claim that they suspect "child trafficking" is going on. It doesn't matter if they don't find anything even remotely close to trafficking. They just throw the net out there and arrest anyone who gets caught up in it.

IMHO, the only hobby activity that's able to escape the redefinition is for a single client to visit a single provider who has absolutely nobody (no driver, no scheduler, no shared rooms or expenses, nothing) helping her. The minute any other person is involved that gives LE the hook they need to at least allege the possibility of trafficking. Only a true independent has a chance of escaping that net. Of course, all the garden-variety prostitution charges would still apply. But I doubt that would interest LE when there are so many pseudo-trafficking fish waiting to be caught.

[blue]I think the Kraft case is going to change all of that. I think that the city of Jupiter is going to have to admit that they lied and that they lied in order to get more federal funds.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]"They say if your going to go after the King you better be able to kill the king" Kraft with his billions to spend will make the Jupiter police look like fools in the end. The videos will be illegally obtained all the cases will be dropped. I would say right now the Asian Crapshoots in our area and all the AMPs that offer FS would be a good place to stay away from.

Read the article and scroll to the bottom for details on the opening salvo from Kraft's attorneys. Should be interesting.

[URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/robert-kraft-solicitation-case-sneak-and-peek-search-warrant-made-public-by-legal-dream-team[/URL]

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4218024]Read the article and scroll to the bottom for details on the opening salvo from Kraft's attorneys. Should be interesting.

[URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/robert-kraft-solicitation-case-sneak-and-peek-search-warrant-made-public-by-legal-dream-team[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/04/03/robert-kraft-sex-spa-case-fake-bomb-threat/3354549002/[/URL]

This is fantastic. Mainstream media finally noticing that Jupiter PD pissed all over the Constitution. Kraft fighting back might actually alter the landscape here. I'm honestly thinking the end result here is potentially all charges thrown out, and then Kraft hopefully sues them.

[QUOTE=NotMe00;4218205][URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/04/03/robert-kraft-sex-spa-case-fake-bomb-threat/3354549002/[/URL]

This is fantastic. Mainstream media finally noticing that Jupiter PD pissed all over the Constitution. Kraft fighting back might actually alter the landscape here. I'm honestly thinking the end result here is potentially all charges thrown out, and then Kraft hopefully sues them.[/QUOTE]I doubt the tiny Jupiter PD expected their little operation to end up on the world stage. If they would have just ignored Kraft's visit we wouldn't be talking about it. Even if for some reason Kraft still loses his lawyers will us appeal it and probably win. Then all the other Florida Police departments previous raids will be questioned.