Sorry to hear you went there. It's one of those typical run of the mill and obviously legit qi gong tui na places. It's cheap and barebones so it's very nasty.
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Sorry to hear you went there. It's one of those typical run of the mill and obviously legit qi gong tui na places. It's cheap and barebones so it's very nasty.
Yesterday I visited that Essex St sh-t house. Today I wanted to make up for it by visiting my favorite place on Park Row. The police had been there. The massage portion of the spa is out of business. I looked around and saw that things were being moved out. Why dont the police shut down the filthy, disease ridden hovels like 27 Essex Street?? Why do they seem to target the clean, and well run places like LF? It seems unfair. A major irony is that when the masseuses are brought in by the police, they often see their customers among the men who work in the courts. These girls are inherently classy and do not betray their customers. Frankly, I prefer the company of these women to the assholes whose job it is to harrass them. These women don't go on welfare, nor do they exploit the system. Instead, they work long hours for their hard earned money. The offence for which they get arrested has nothing to do with providing sexual favors. They are in fact charged with the horrible crime of being unlicenced to provide massage. New York's bravest are assigned the task of taking helpless women from conditions of extraordinary difficulty all the way to the edges of misery. I am off my soap box.
That place was good while it lasted but it was too close to police headquarters for comfort. I don't understand why LE even bothers to crack down on massage parlors when they can better utilize their resources and manpower by focusing on more pressing matters. I hope the other places in chinatown remain open since they are so scarce these days.
1) Shutting down these places is easier than fighting rougher crime.
2) Failing to have a massage license is actually a more serious crime than providing a HJ. The first is a felony, the second a misdemeanor. Why this absurdity? Lobbyists for CMTs (certified massage therapists) are trying to protect their clients from the influx of unlicensed masseuses.
3) LE often uses the lack of a license as a pretext for the real reason they go in for the bust: sexual extras. It's much easier and more cost-efficient to prove that a girl doesn't have a license than to send in undercover to elicit the sexual favors. And, as stated above, the lack of a license can be the more serious "crime."
3) Neighborhood complaints. It takes very few to galvanize LE, who like to be viewed as protecting "the community." That's why some Tuina places are so strict about not providing HJs; if no neighbor catches them out on the extras, the police may give them some slack if they are good "citizens" and have their licensing in order.
4) The martial arts place probably fell victim to a neighborhood complaint. Some stupid hypocrite who takes the kiddies in for a lesson may have stopped in for a massage, was offered a little mild hanky-panky, and then thought, "I take my kids to a place that does that? The police must be told!"
5) A competitor, either in massage or martial arts, could also have tipped off LE. That probably happens a lot, unfortunately. Make sure the police shut down your competitors and more business will come to you.
4) All of the above are also the reason why some places see only Asian customers (makes it tougher for LE to bust them) and why others go under the radar. Some of the best places are essentially private and do no public advertising at all.
Groucho, you deserve a good day!
[QUOTE=GrouchoMarx]Yesterday I visited that Essex St sh-t house. Today I wanted to make up for it by visiting my favorite place on Park Row. The police had been there. The massage portion of the spa is out of business. I looked around and saw that things were being moved out. Why dont the police shut down the filthy, disease ridden hovels like 27 Essex Street?? Why do they seem to target the clean, and well run places like LF? It seems unfair. A major irony is that when the masseuses are brought in by the police, they often see their customers among the men who work in the courts. These girls are inherently classy and do not betray their customers. Frankly, I prefer the company of these women to the assholes whose job it is to harrass them. These women don't go on welfare, nor do they exploit the system. Instead, they work long hours for their hard earned money. The offence for which they get arrested has nothing to do with providing sexual favors. They are in fact charged with the horrible crime of being unlicenced to provide massage. New York's bravest are assigned the task of taking helpless women from conditions of extraordinary difficulty all the way to the edges of misery. I am off my soap box.[/QUOTE]
Grettings Gents,
I took a visit to this place today (33rd and 5th) and found it to be closed down as of a couple of days ago. Better luck next time I guess.
Excellent post. LE really are cowards in the sense that they are so vigilant in busting criminals who are smaller than they are, or some scared old guy lucking to get laid. Better than hunting (well-armed) drug lords or terrorists.
[QUOTE=Tempter]1) Shutting down these places is easier than fighting rougher crime.
2) Failing to have a massage license is actually a more serious crime than providing a HJ. The first is a felony, the second a misdemeanor. Why this absurdity? Lobbyists for CMTs (certified massage therapists) are trying to protect their clients from the influx of unlicensed masseuses.
3) LE often uses the lack of a license as a pretext for the real reason they go in for the bust: sexual extras. It's much easier and more cost-efficient to prove that a girl doesn't have a license than to send in undercover to elicit the sexual favors. And, as stated above, the lack of a license can be the more serious "crime."
3) Neighborhood complaints. It takes very few to galvanize LE, who like to be viewed as protecting "the community." That's why some Tuina places are so strict about not providing HJs; if no neighbor catches them out on the extras, the police may give them some slack if they are good "citizens" and have their licensing in order.
4) The martial arts place probably fell victim to a neighborhood complaint. Some stupid hypocrite who takes the kiddies in for a lesson may have stopped in for a massage, was offered a little mild hanky-panky, and then thought, "I take my kids to a place that does that? The police must be told!"
5) A competitor, either in massage or martial arts, could also have tipped off LE. That probably happens a lot, unfortunately. Make sure the police shut down your competitors and more business will come to you.
4) All of the above are also the reason why some places see only Asian customers (makes it tougher for LE to bust them) and why others go under the radar. Some of the best places are essentially private and do no public advertising at all.
Groucho, you deserve a good day![/QUOTE]I believe that getting certification cannot be a big deal. I have been to upscale SPAs in big resorts and places like Bliss in downtown. Massage there is never better then good AMPs. Many good AMPs are very clean and people are very decent. I believe the thing against getting certification for most of these places will be that most providers must be illegal people and so getting certification etc might be difficult (or could it be poor English?). Many places in Europe and other part of the world have legalized prostitution. It becomes a better regulated industry that way. Less exploitation also and more mental comfort on parts of the patrons. Getting rid of those sex toys (or lives girls) types of shops from 42nd street type of areas was probably needed and it did increase property values. Theses AMPs are very low key and dont do any harm. (On the contrary an unsatisfied violent monger may be bigger danger to the society - LOL).
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have become friendly with some masseuses as well as some AMP owners. Tempter was correct in his post (point #3) regarding reasons that the Park Row place was closed. A trusted and reliable source explained that this AMP place had a family type atmosphere (oxymoron). For example, children would go there for martial lessons at the same time that hobbyists were having their pleasure. This mix was untenable in the long run. Tempter, you are a very perceptive man. I was also impressed with your knowledge of the law. Unlicensed massaged is a felony, whereas a HJ for money is a misdemeanor! Whooda thunk it!
[QUOTE=Setialphafive]Grettings Gents,
I took a visit to this place today (33rd and 5th) and found it to be closed down as of a couple of days ago. Better luck next time I guess.[/QUOTE]Closed down for good? Did you see the big orange sticker?
[QUOTE=Champak Lal]I believe that getting certification cannot be a big deal. I have been to upscale SPAs in big resorts and places like Bliss in downtown. Massage there is never better then good AMPs. Many good AMPs are very clean and people are very decent. I believe the thing against getting certification for most of these places will be that most providers must be illegal people and so getting certification etc might be difficult (or could it be poor English?). Many places in Europe and other part of the world have legalized prostitution. It becomes a better regulated industry that way. Less exploitation also and more mental comfort on parts of the patrons. Getting rid of those sex toys (or lives girls) types of shops from 42nd street type of areas was probably needed and it did increase property values. Theses AMPs are very low key and dont do any harm. (On the contrary an unsatisfied violent monger may be bigger danger to the society - LOL).[/QUOTE]It's not necessarily the language barrier being the issue. Acquiring certification requires going to school and learning how to massage. As in NYS, they require about 1,000 hours of massage classes and on top of that, the fees for massage school and licensing isn't cheap.
I saw the ad in one of the local free papers, called and made an appointment. It is located on 39th Street near 6th avenue on the second floor. I was greeted by a nice looking Korean lady in her late 20s. Picked the hour massage and body scrub.There were four rooms, each with a screen door. Went into one of the rooms, changed into a robe and then to the bathroom for the body scrub which was very thorough.
Back to the room and then she proceeded to give me an excellent shiatsu massage. About 30 minutes later, the light touch begin with her hair stroking my back. It was very sensual. I did not try roaming (maybe next time). Then she asked me to turn over and continued with the light touch and the release. Clean up followed by more massage.
All in all, quite pleasant. I did not get her name and I think there were only 2 girls there at the time. 60 for the hour plus 30 tip.
I will return.
[QUOTE=Sapporo]It's not necessarily the language barrier being the issue. Acquiring certification requires going to school and learning how to massage. As in NYS, they require about 1,000 hours of massage classes and on top of that, the fees for massage school and licensing isn't cheap.[/QUOTE]You are very informed. I now remember one LMT in a psa telling me about 1000 HR training.
[QUOTE=Sapporo]Closed down for good? Did you see the big orange sticker?[/QUOTE]Yes, closed down for good. Illegal massage and prostitution. I called the number on their website on a woman answered. Said they were closed now but may be open again in a few weeks. I am not sure if that will happen or not, or even if they would open again in the same location. The place is not that far from where I work so maybe I will check it out in a few weeks and see if anything opened back up.
Visited the fabled Ocean Spa again, actually got a great massage there and flipped and she did the hand-release. Wasn't too shabby, and this exp was far better then my last one. Anyone achieve any 'other' extras at this place? Please PM me if so cause I might go back. Thanks, Billy
[QUOTE=Shiok]I saw the ad in one of the local free papers, called and made an appointment. It is located on 39th Street near 6th avenue on the second floor. I was greeted by a nice looking Korean lady in her late 20s. Picked the hour massage and body scrub.There were four rooms, each with a screen door. Went into one of the rooms, changed into a robe and then to the bathroom for the body scrub which was very thorough.
Back to the room and then she proceeded to give me an excellent shiatsu massage. About 30 minutes later, the light touch begin with her hair stroking my back. It was very sensual. I did not try roaming (maybe next time). Then she asked me to turn over and continued with the light touch and the release. Clean up followed by more massage.
All in all, quite pleasant. I did not get her name and I think there were only 2 girls there at the time. 60 for the hour plus 30 tip.
I will return.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review.