Angel Therapy. Pine Tree Spa. Garden Spa. SAME AREA
[QUOTE=Krakatoa;3205482]I had never visited the cluster at Lee and Blake, but with all the hub bub about Angel I thought I would check it out. On pulling in, I thought, oh man this place is busy, but then I figured out that all the cars were parked in front of Pine Tree. Not sure what that's about. I only heard one other customer during my entire time at Angel.
Anyway, I took pot luck, as I always do when visiting a new spa, and drew Cindy. Cindy was middle of the road in every department. Competent and cooperative, but certainly not creative and ultimately just not sexy. Her poor English didn't stop her from objecting to my tip.
I guess without seeing Coco I don't know what I'm missing, but I have good options closer to home.[/QUOTE]All these 3 AMPs are in same office park. Angel is the new one and has been generally good. Long time ago went to Pine Tree (Once = great (Hannah) -Once = Ugh / old) and never to Garden Spa. Any experts here that can describe the differences and who to ask for if one tries it out. Amazes me that they cluster so close. Same owner? Competitors? Should hopefully keep the quality up for us. Need to give them feedback when something is not up to snuff. Small business owners usually care.
Enjoy safe hunting.
Happy Guy 2.
Dream at Arlington Physical Ctr
Back in town to spend New Years with my folks.
Had a dream of visiting Arlington Physical Center on Columbia Pike. Like other user had recommended, I called in ahead and asked for Lotto. But she was booked for hours. I had the itch so I just went in there. For those who don't know this parlor is located on Columbia pike next to T-mobile store and is on 2nd floor. You can get in the door and go to the 2nd floor, but then you need to ring the bell and wait for someone to answer. It took literally 5 minutes for someone to answer when I rang the bell. It was around 12 pm.
Was greeted by an oldish lady (approx in 40's) and directed to the room. Paid the house donation of 80, as asked. And she asked me to be ready. I was hoping that some other lady will walk in, but nope. After waiting for about 10 minutes on the massage table, she shows up. That place was super busy. Door bell was ringing every other time. Luckily no one ran into me while I was waiting at the door.
Massage was great, she concentrated on my back a lot and then thighs and lower legs. But when she was near my head, I made a move on her thighs (after 15 minutes into the massage), to which she reacted very differently. She said "Sir please let me put my energy to give you a satisfying massage. If you just want to play I will not waste my energy. So please let me give you a good massage and then we can play play (took my hand and touched her thigh)". I said "Ok". This was followed by a great massage. And then the tease began and she asked me to flip and negotiations began. She asked for 80. I said 40. But she mentioned about getting nudey nudey. So I said 60. Clothes fall off and she jacked my hammer so nicely, while I sucked those puppies. All in all a okay visit. Might repeat.
Stay safe and Happy New Year guys!
Caucasian AMPs in Tysons Area
This is a little bit under the radar, but I was wondering if other folks have been to the places in Tysons that advertise mostly american girls. Specifically Edens / BlueGems / SecretTemptations.
BG has been around for a great while, and recently I made a visit visited Eden and saw Emma. While the massage was substandard by industrious Asian standards, the hospitality and headlights shown more than made up for the difference. Alogether a lovely time.
Topical visit to the Garden
I hadn't been to the Garden in quite a while so I decided to drop in recently. I haven't been to the other two nearby so I can't really offer a comparison but I can offer my experience there.
I caught them at a busy time. MMS opened the door and said it would be a few minutes wait, collected fee for the hour and left me to wait it out. Provider arrives eventually. Mid to late 30's, thick, good communication. Shower was busy, so started with oil massage Swedish style. Skills were good. Some teasing but not a lot. When the shower freed up, off we went and it was thorough and entertaining. Back in the room, more massage, more tease, and the soft touch. In the flip, there were good times. I had a full view, she had some interesting ideas and I appreciated her efforts. Not much roaming allowed which I thought was strange considering the overall level of service. I'm pretty sure there was more to the menu than I was willing to try at the time. Details available by PM. Finished with a head and shoulder massage til time was up. I'll probably be back soon because I saw a very interesting looking provider in my way out.
Year ending visit -- new AW
Annandale Wellness (AW) is a new place located in the heart of downtown Annandale (Poplar). Located in a small business park / condo on the 2nd floor. Convenient parking (not a lot of spaces -- but adequate). Adds found on BP massage.
Called ahead and was welcomed by Goldie who is a very nice CMT. She is 30-ish, healthy, conversational, and has a very nice smile.
Place is new. Nice "fresh paint" look and clean smell. Four (massage studios. I think three ladies were working the day of my visit (I did not see anyone other than Goldie, but as other customers departed / arrived, I concluded three people were likely working).
Goldie collected the house (standard) and returned. TS was across the hall, and the water was warm and the soaping pleasant. This is where I saw Goldie smile the first time.
Back to room, warm towel thrown over me (cold day). Massage followed. Face down. Very good leg and arm work, Swedish-style back and shoulders. Flip and the neck, shoulder, foot and leg massage that followed was excellent -- truly therapeutic.
Full marks on massage, attitude, smile, etc. I will be happy to see Goldie again (next year)!
AW is likely to become more popular due to excellent facility and nice staff. Holiday-level tips applied.
Happy New Year.
NR.
Issues with tipping in advance
[QUOTE=DC002;3210239]Closed up the old year at Angel. Tried 3 different nice providers over time. All aiming yo please. None pushed tips before session but I usually tip well, maybe too well. I do tell them what kind of companionship I want up front and get no resistance when the tip is already on the side table. And they do not take it early. BUT, when actually giving the large tip, they all say, "Is that all?" I think they have been told to say that, in perfect English, and maybe usually get an extra. 2 often. Because they DO privide good service. I just thought the pattern of 3 asking the same thing was funny. And I laughed, said are you kidding and she laughed too. I guess they do good training of the staff!
DC. HAPPY NEW YEAR![/QUOTE]1. When visiting a new MP with no reviews or intel there's no way to know the menu-price options in advance. The place could be totally legit or maybe rub-and-tug only. So a client who drops $60 or $80 on the table expecting more options is setting themselves up for disappointment. And asking for some of the $ back makes you look like a schmuck. Even if they agree (doubtful) you'll probably be a laughingstock if you show your face in that MP again.
2. When visiting a new girl in an established MP there's still an element of YMMV that goes with any session. Masseuses are not machines and the service level and attitude of different girls at the same MP can vary quite a bit. And even a girl you've seen before could be having a bad day. In those cases there's no guarantee the service provided will match your advance tip. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but you're rolling the dice and hoping things turn out in your favor.
3. When visiting an established MP and a masseuse you've seen before, there's simply no need to tip in advance. You both know the drill and the menu-price expectations on both sides should be the same.
The way I see it, the client already gives up a measure of control when he forks over the house fee because the MP then has some of his $ without having provided any service at all. By tipping in advance he pretty much hands any control or leverage he might have had over to the MP and masseuse. If things work out and the service matches expectations then it's no harm, no foul. But, if for any reason they don't, then he's screwed out of some or all of his hard-earned cash.
Another reason I don't tip in advance is because I want to see if the masseuse is going to give me a hard sell or otherwise cop a negative attitude. If that happens, it's tells me her focus is more on the $ than it is on giving good service. So if I'm asked for the tip up front I'll usually say something like "I'll take good care of you because I want to be happy and I want you to be happy" and then I'll wait to see how she responds. If she continues with high-pressure tactics I will tell her thanks for the massage and start getting dressed to leave. If she genuinely shifts her attitude then maybe I'll change my mind and stay.
For me, money = control and I want to see the actual level of service provided before I decide the appropriate tip amount. After all, it's the same reasoning behind why wait-staff gets tipped after the meal and why you don't pay a contractor 100% of their fee up front.
Communication, rapport, etc.
[QUOTE=Krakatoa;3211210]The argument in favor of tipping in advance is that, in those situations where you don't know the provider, she also doesn't know you. She doesn't know for sure you are looking for HE, whether you are a cheapskate who is going to undertip, or, for that matter, whether you are LE. This leaves tension around the flip that is a distraction for both of you, diminishing your enjoyment of the first 75% of the massage.
As is often the case in life, there is a middle way. In these situations, I like to lay out what I am willing to spend but with my glasses or something else clearly belonging to me on top of it. That way we are communicating--without actually talking--and I maintain control of my money.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem with what you're calling a middle way since, as you described, it's a form of signalling or communication rather than actually paying the tip in advance. I'm curious, however, about the specifics of how you display the $. Do you fan out or spread the bills in some way so the masseuse can clearly see whether the amount is $40/$60/$80/ etc? Just asking because that would seem to be necessary to avoid any misunderstanding. And then, if you take back some of the $ because the level of the service was less than hoped (ex. HJ only when you displayed 60/80), have you gotten any negative reactions?
It's also good to keep in mind that AMP girls see multiple clients a day and learn pretty quickly how to size up their different personalities and tendencies. From the moment you walk in the door they're taking note of your appearance, what you're wearing, your demeanor, your confidence (or lack thereof) and figuring out whether you're likely to be LE or a cheapskate or a good client. That assessment continues into the TS and is one reason that, IME, many masseuses relax quite a bit once you allow (or request) a washing of the family jewels. Then once you're on the massage table they're probing and asking (You been here before? Who did you see?) as they continue their assessment. So, again IME, there's ample opportunity to establish rapport at the beginning of the session without having to show any money. Of course, with more experience that becomes easier and it helps tremendously if you're confident, polite, decently dressed and don't look like LE.
It's also true that MMS and AMP girls talk about clients all the time. So when I'm visiting a new girl at an AMP where the MMS (or another girl) knows me, I usually hear some conversation in their native language before the girl comes into the room. While I don't know for sure, I've always guessed that the new girl is being told that I'm a good client and not a cheapskate. In one particular AMP where the MMS took a liking to me, she told me she would even tell new girls about my personal preferences.
So I can see how in scenario #1 (new AMP, unknown girl) it could be a strategy to show the cash while not actually handing it over. But I see less need for that tactic in scenario #2 situations and absolutely no need for scenario #3.
As always, YMMV, and I personally haven't seen the need but every hobbyist has to make that call and at least you're retaining control of the cash in case the service doesn't measure up.
TIPS: End. Before. Flash the cash. ?
Actually I think we are all on the same page and agree you have to play it by ear.
Yes the providers are smart about tipping, usually. Probably your experience builds expertise and confidence, and they smell that. Usually paying the upfront from a small wad of bills that is the max you are prepared to pay works as well as anything. I don't personally like money discussions during a session. Strangely, when I offer amount up front, and I put it under my glasses / watch works, and they never have just taken it and I present at end and say thank you, wonderful time (which can be a 2 way street).
Important thing is to have a fun time and levity really helps.
Someone mentioned leaving bills sticking out of his wallet. I would never bring in with you anything more than what you would be willing to pay, maybe even distributed in several pockets. Then you become a better negotiator against a sob story or a please, please. Having said that, quality of the time there is most important as I am not a wam bam type of guy and my biggest sex organ is between my ears. But everyone has different needs.
New guys, just relax and have fun. To be pretty blunt, very niely, up front, I think they appreciate and relaxes them. You set expectations. And they might set your expectations differently, right back! And also if not attractive to you, polightly ask if other provider is there or say you are leaving. (I have gotten a provider that smelled of smoke and that will never happen again.)
They DO know why we come there and they know what services they will privide, so get the cat and mouse games out of the way of having fun. Basically don't be silly, but probably all that comes with multiple experiences. I felt the same uneasyness going to an escort. I just tell them that I am a little nervous and could they help and lead me through the process and teach me. They all like to teach in my experience, even if I now don't need too much training.
Enjoy 2017 . And share the info.
DC.
Body Rubs but no Table Shower
[QUOTE=Mongeroose;3214019]When I frequented parlors I would place my maximum tip under my sunglasses or watch. Depending on the service I would tip appropriately after getting dressed. Second the advice on not bringing anything more than the money you plan to spend into the AMP. No I'd or cell (real or burner). I prefer the incall body rub providers now though. No negotiation, not a hard target for LE, no pretense, no other dudes. More relaxing IMO. To each their own.[/QUOTE]Like you, I have found the Body Rub Providers to be more consistent and high quality. The one item I miss is a good table shower. I visited on provider that gave a after rub scrub that was close, however the happiness was not that good. It would be nice to know if any of the Body Rub providers have a good substitute for the Table Shower and still provide a good haplessness at the end (or the beginning or the end or throughout! .
Never take in more than the fee.
[QUOTE=DC002;3212647]Actually I think we are all on the same page and agree you have to play it by ear.
Yes the providers are smart about tipping, usually. Probably your experience builds expertise and confidence, and they smell that. Usually paying the upfront from a small wad of bills that is the max you are prepared to pay works as well as anything. I don't personally like money discussions during a session. Strangely, when I offer amount up front, and I put it under my glasses / watch works, and they never have just taken it and I present at end and say thank you, wonderful time (which can be a 2 way street).
Someone mentioned leaving bills sticking out of his wallet. I would never bring in with you anything more than what you would be willing to pay, maybe even distributed in several pockets. Then you become a better negotiator against a sob story or a please, please. DC.[/QUOTE]You are correct to take in no more than the fee. I may take, an extra $20 with me for Superb service, but I have not had to dole out the extra $20 in quite some time.
I would not leave bills sticking out of my wallet on the counter. Taking your wallet in a spa is actually a big no no. You put the bills in a money clip on the counter. The provider will notice. Just bring your money and I'd in case the place is raided. If raided the cops will probably take down your name and let you go. If you do not have I'd, he police will probably give you a hard time thinking that you have something to hide. They will probably no let you go until you can prove who you are.
Propilot-Always check your six.
Paying before after whatever
You boys have been paying out your nose for so long you don't know what the fudge too do for a HJ from a 50's plus K gal.
Don't spend more than what you want plain and simple. JMHO In the land where they print money.
PC out.
Stumbled across a new place in Manassas
Hello all long time lurker decided to sign up in the new year to contribute!
Found a new place by the "neither snow nor rain" office and decided to stop by. Middle age k girl about 35-40 body / face ok. 40/30 m no table shower. Store front faces street but has side parking hasent been there very long. The massage was great lots of small talk and semi playful nature. With otc roaming the flip was good with no hassle over the tip left. Will repeat in the future.
