I'm very curious why it is considered rude to try to haggle with providers? I find that to be very non-sensical.
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I'm very curious why it is considered rude to try to haggle with providers? I find that to be very non-sensical.
Have said so. Yet women will ask when you say they are too high, well what did you have in mind. Then if women get insulted by your answer, some of them have been known to put men on the dreaded "BLACK LIST" because they haggled even though some women asked them what they had in mind. I have said many times, I don't care how many kids you have or how big your bills are. I didn't give you the kids or cause your economic situation. Don't expect me to pay for your kids needs with big donations and don't ask me to help you with a bill or two because you can't meet your needs. Just my 2 cents. Great question BTW.
Recently had the pleasure of visiting with Jade's friend Paige. And it was a pleasure. As has been said before, the location needs a change of venue. Had it been an afterdark appointment I would likely have called in sane but I was willing to take the leap in daylight.
To sum it up, a good time was had by all. Seniors may PM for more info.
I have to wholeheartedly disagree. These women are selling a service. It's no different than having your car tuned up or your plumbing unclogged. I'm fine if a provider "blacklists" me because I ask if they can perform service x for price why. I have seen many quality providers at prices lower than their advertised price because I simply asked and they were amenable. Sometimes it's cause they needed a little bit of cash quick and that works for me. I'm not rude about it and I don't get offended when they tell me that they can't meet my price point. If they get their panties in a knot over that I can't help it. They are a commodity. Do you just pay sticker when you buy a car because it would be rude to haggle with the salesman?
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1381936]I have to wholeheartedly disagree. These women are selling a service. It's no different than having your car tuned up or your plumbing unclogged. I'm fine if a provider "blacklists" me because I ask if they can perform service x for price why. I have seen many quality providers at prices lower than their advertised price because I simply asked and they were amenable. Sometimes it's cause they needed a little bit of cash quick and that works for me. I'm not rude about it and I don't get offended when they tell me that they can't meet my price point. If they get their panties in a knot over that I can't help it. They are a commodity. Do you just pay sticker when you buy a car because it would be rude to haggle with the salesman?[/QUOTE]I agree. It is your money and it is their service. You have the right to say no and they have the right to say no. I have offered to pay less than the listed price and as long as we both agree upfront then there is no problem. If the price is implied and no discussion, then I would pay the implied price. I have the right to only pay what I think the service is worth to me, but then, they may disagree and then I move on.
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1381745]I'm very curious why it is considered rude to try to haggle with providers? I find that to be very non-sensical.[/QUOTE]Try that with a few of the established providers on say ECCIE, Indys or P411 and let me know how that goes for you.
I've tried it with higher end providers on here, BP, CL, Indy's, etc. It typically is a no but that's ok. If I had unlimited resources I would probably pay and move on but I don't. You would be surprised, if you catch a provider at the right time, the value you can get for your money. I've received services from higher end ($ hhr and up) for sometimes as little as .5 for the hhr by asking, being polite and understanding this is how they make their living so with the additional proviso that I never reveal the deal I've received. Granted that is the true exception rather than the rule but it has allowed me to spend some time with some beautiful, talented women that I would, otherwise, never get to see. To each their own but IMHO it's a business transaction and the normal rules apply. If you don't ask, you won't know!
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1381745]I'm very curious why it is considered rude to try to haggle with providers? I find that to be very non-sensical.[/QUOTE]I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this one. I don't think its rude at all I'm speeking for myself of course. But also take in consideration most of you hobbiest from what I read like the high milage girls. As for me I'm not one of them. If you are seeing a provider on a regular basis there shouldn't be a problem being haggled as you put it. On the other hand if your only seeing a provider every once in awhile then I don't think you should haggle. I just think thats fair. I guess its just me and maybe I shouldn't post this but what the hell. Happy Valentines Day To all you Hobbiest! Muaw!
Pleae be nice with your replies.
Thanks Candy
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1382207]I've tried it with higher end providers on here, BP, CL, Indy's, etc. It typically is a no but that's ok. If I had unlimited resources I would probably pay and move on but I don't. You would be surprised, if you catch a provider at the right time, the value you can get for your money. I've received services from higher end ($ hhr and up) for sometimes as little as .5 for the hhr by asking, being polite and understanding this is how they make their living so with the additional proviso that I never reveal the deal I've received. Granted that is the true exception rather than the rule but it has allowed me to spend some time with some beautiful, talented women that I would, otherwise, never get to see. To each their own but IMHO it's a business transaction and the normal rules apply. If you don't ask, you won't know![/QUOTE]There is a well reviewed provider on here that charges me half her gping rate so long as I don't tell our secret.
[QUOTE=CandyCream31; 1382273]I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this one. I don't think its rude at all I'm speeking for myself of course. But also take in consideration most of you hobbiest from what I read like the high milage girls. As for me I'm not one of them. If you are seeing a provider on a regular basis there shouldn't be a problem being haggled as you put it. On the other hand if your only seeing a provider every once in awhile then I don't think you should haggle. I just think thats fair. I guess its just me and maybe I shouldn't post this but what the hell. Happy Valentines Day To all you Hobbiest! Muaw!
Pleae be nice with your replies.
Thanks Candy[/QUOTE]If you are a regular you should get more haggle room. Now in the begining I still haggle, mainly because that is all I can afford. If I had a strong income it wouldn't matter then. I have seen some as low as. 3 hhr if I could get my atf to do that I would go every week.
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1381745]I'm very curious why it is considered rude to try to haggle with providers? I find that to be very non-sensical.[/QUOTE]I've got to admit I personally don't like to haggle. It's the kind of business where you don't necessarily "win" in the end even if you "win" in the negotiations if the provider isn't happy about it and doesn't give good service.
Then again, just yesterday, there was a seemingly very attractive provider (from her pix) who quoted me $.75. I said I'm sorry but that's more than I can pay. She said,"How much do you have?" I said I was a little embarrassed, because what I had in mind was probably far too low and she deserved better. But she asked again, and I said $, which is pretty much my top price these days. And she said OK.
I was being pretty coy and sweet about it, but it wasn't an act. After she quoted the price, I really didn't think she would come down to mine. But I was also perfectly willing to walk away. And she was clearly willing to negotiate from the beginning.
Now, the end of the story is that I showed up and called at the apppointed time and she was still in traffic. I kinda got from the garbled phone conversation that because I hadn't called in the hour between when we first spoke and then that she wasn't sure I was coming, but that she could make it later. I could have rescheduled, but just went with another provider who was happy with the $, not quite as attractive, but a lot of fun. Plan A could still work out someday. We'll see.
I have had providers after a first session offer lower rates for returns, kind of bidding against themselves to get me to come back for a future visit. If you treat them well and they enjoy themselves, you'd be amazed how that can figure to your advantage.
But, just like buying a car, the key negotiating point is being willing to walk. It's not an act with me. I really am, because there's always someone else and I don't have to have any of them. You can politely say that's more than I usually pay or more than I can pay and wait to hear a response. You'll be amazed how many are open to negotiation and how far they'll come down. But I think you're better approaching it that way than immediately responding with a counter-offer in more of a haggling situation.
[QUOTE=Bucks97; 1382424]I've got to admit I personally don't like to haggle. It's the kind of business where you don't necessarily "win" in the end even if you "win" in the negotiations if the provider isn't happy about it and doesn't give good service.
Then again, just yesterday, there was a seemingly very attractive provider (from her pix) who quoted me $.75. I said I'm sorry but that's more than I can pay. She said,"How much do you have?" I said I was a little embarrassed, because what I had in mind was probably far too low and she deserved better. But she asked again, and I said $, which is pretty much my top price these days. And she said OK.
I was being pretty coy and sweet about it, but it wasn't an act. After she quoted the price, I really didn't think she would come down to mine. But I was also perfectly willing to walk away. And she was clearly willing to negotiate from the beginning.
Now, the end of the story is that I showed up and called at the apppointed time and she was still in traffic. I kinda got from the garbled phone conversation that because I hadn't called in the hour between when we first spoke and then that she wasn't sure I was coming, but that she could make it later. I could have rescheduled, but just went with another provider who was happy with the $, not quite as attractive, but a lot of fun. Plan A could still work out someday. We'll see.
I have had providers after a first session offer lower rates for returns, kind of bidding against themselves to get me to come back for a future visit. If you treat them well and they enjoy themselves, you'd be amazed how that can figure to your advantage.
But, just like buying a car, the key negotiating point is being willing to walk. It's not an act with me. I really am, because there's always someone else and I don't have to have any of them. You can politely say that's more than I usually pay or more than I can pay and wait to hear a response. You'll be amazed how many are open to negotiation and how far they'll come down. But I think you're better approaching it that way than immediately responding with a counter-offer in more of a haggling situation.[/QUOTE]I usually have a price. The provider tells me how much, I tell them, honestly, if I can't afford them. Sometimes they'll ask, sometimes they won't. Sometimes I'll just reply with "Sorry, I only have. 75" and they'll ask what I'm looking for. It doesn't always get worked out but often enough it does. If it weren't for these occurrences I wouldn't see many of the providers I do. Thanks for the discourse!
[QUOTE=Mrrdfun;1382439]I usually have a price. The provider tells me how much, I tell them, honestly, if I can't afford them. Sometimes they'll ask, sometimes they won't. Sometimes I'll just reply with "Sorry, I only have. 75" and they'll ask what I'm looking for. It doesn't always get worked out but often enough it does. If it weren't for these occurrences I wouldn't see many of the providers I do. Thanks for the discourse![/QUOTE]Have a provider I paid .6 to, a little older, not the most attractive, but unless something is absolutely horrible, I usually complete the deal once I'm there. And she had not misrepresented herself. She clearly had a good time and so did I really, though probably not enough to repeat. By the time I was out the door though she had offered .4 or maybe .2 or whatever I had at the time if I wanted to come back. I could probably have done it for a pack of cigarettes in the future. But I've also had even more attractive ones leave the door open to much better rates for repeats.
For those of us who love to haggle like a MOFO you are taking away our fun. For the women who have developed a thousand reasons why they just can't go that low, rent, baby food, utilities, preggos, taking care of my LABF, Pimp, who want me to go out and put out so he can buy his? Well you know, and the myriad of other reasons for needing dollars you are stifling creativity for the female gender. Some years back on two midwest boards there were a group of women who thought they owned the states, and did, and had a gold lined sn*tches. If you didn't come across no puzzy for you buddy <said in the best soup Nazi voice. The place was crawling with white knights hoping for crumbs and discounted puzzy but it didn't happen because they had men convinced they controlled the goodies. Then along came two guys who told them No reasonable donations no dollars for you baby. And damned if shit didn't turn around quick. Most of those guys left the boards because a very few told them off and to f themselves and really got pissed after they put them on BLTs for nothing more than calling them out. Now those boards are dead as hell and because of a few of the old dogs who are still around talking shit and smack and still think ten years later they still have gold lined sn*tches. Thank god many of the ladies on USASG are willing to at least discuss it with and open mind. Might not agree all the time but I have had the pleasure of some ladies who are super BCDs and are very open to being a good provider with negotiated terms which more than not meet my needs and I am tight fisted due to my own home needs. Ladies as long as this profession is inundated by a massive number of ladies the rates will always be reasonable in general Supply and demand. Doesn't mean we can't be kind and discuss it like mature adults with each other. We can. There are fine ladies who understand the economy and the fact that men are not bottomless pits of $$s. I admire CCream for stepping forward That took guts and she has my admiration for doing so. Have a great day
In all things, It's is not what you do but how you do it.
Most ladies are willing to be cooperative within reason.
If you handle your negotiations in a respectful and courteous manner, you build a better change of having a mutually fun & beneficial business arrangement.
If she can do it she will and if she can't she won't.
No one wants to spend time with a turd and that goes both ways.