"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2524250]Had an interesting M&G. She was a 25 year old Asian. We met at a local Italian restaurant. Her profile on SA led me to believe she was a pro but I will let you decide. She arrived early at the bar and we had a glass of wine. I cleared the tab and we went to our table on the patio. After a while there was mutual caressing on the arms, shoulder and back. She had a strong Asian accent that required her to repeat her sentences. Maybe I'm just deaf. Toward the end of our dinner she started asking about the arrangement. Frequency, time, and amount. We settled on an allowance for a few times a month. At the end of our dinner she started talking about how she likes to do oral and other things. The little head was getting very excited, I asked her if she liked to use toys and she said yes. I offered to buy her a toy at a local store and she agreed. As we were heading to the toy store she pulled my hand over her thigh so I could stroke her leg. She pulled up her skirt up and was going commando. It was nice rubbing that sweet clam as I was driving down Broad Street. It was weird walking into the store with a hot Asian women to pick out a dildo. She selected a jack rabbit that I had suggested and we went to the counter to make sure it worked OK. After we got in the car she pulled the toy out and started to look at it. She wanted to use it right away so I pulled into an alley. Once in the alley she started to use the jack rabbit while I caressed her nice tits and had some DFK. After she came I asked her if she wanted to come to my house. She politely said that she did not want to come to my place on the first date because it would it seem like she was a * We are scheduled to meet next Saturday. I was fortunate to find a young lady from my mongering side to take the pressure off later that evening.[/QUOTE]I don't know if she's a pro due to limited about information within your post. But I've been battling the though that I maybe dealing with a pro myself. I usually only participate in the bowl when I'm traveling. But I travel to the same areas regularly. I've been talking to this 20 year old college student through texting mainly. I call her once when she ask, when will we talked on the phone. I replied we could speak now but she suggested we speak she took a bath. She never called, a few days later I set her a message and she text back and she said we could talk now. The conversation was short. Now I text her a few days later again and she was telling how her house was broken into and thieves took her TV set, red bottoms and a few other material things according to her. She even mentioned how you really know whose down for you when things are bad. Now, through our communication I was told she's a full time student taking online courses. She recent move to my target area and she don't anyone in area. She wants to move to another state and that she plans to go shopping for either a condo or apartment. I don't know how a full-time online student manage to do all this. I know you could rent but really believe she's pro or she could just be telling a lie. I get random pictures from sometimes, her profile have few professionals looking photos.

Bought my sa subscription on Monday and the messaging action has been off the chart.

First m&g Friday with a sweet looking singel mom newbie, No car so yea I had to pick her up.

Right away I was thinking really cute face, but to much to love on the regular. Not get out of car bad, but just in the last 5 days my bandwidth has narrowed considerably. (There are hot young bitches to be had in the bowl).

Anyway drove around for a while, her first encounter in the bowl as well. We found a very nice out of the way bar and in we went.

We had some preliminary lfk in the car before we went in so I knew things would progress as planned.

After a bite and a couple of drinks back in the car to leave, the action heated up. She agreed to the FC but I didn't want to throw down for a room so I told her not enough time.

I had her unbutton her pants so I could do some clam digging and put her hand on my unit. After a bit I asked her if she wanted to see it. Mind you its broad daylight. So I stop the action and pull the car around back of the bar.

My pants slide down and down she goes. I figure this is one and done so I try for the full paint can* She wasn't fulling embarrassing that but hung in there.

Until I dropped my load. She spit it out the window and chuckled when I said " I told you I liked it rough" I gave her 80 when I dropped her off, and she's all about getting together again.

Not really going to happen unless she drops 25 lbs or so. Anyway so ends my first encounter in the bowl.

* Imaging shaking a full paint can in your lap.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524358]She definitly knows the game, maby a utr? Clearly not a lost young innocent soul! Since you are an experienced monger, roll with it and see how it unfolds (pun intended).

I'm 3 weeks into my SA account, ton of chatting, several m&g's, several pro's from VERY low level to high end, but pro non the less. A couple strong possibilities. Damn this is getting interesting. Should have done the SA thing from the start.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that when I dropped her off she drove off in a Mercedes. She has to be a pro. Will find out Saturday.

It's been an 18 month hiatus from the bowl, but my rotation has slowly dwindled down.

I've read the last month of the thread, and it looks like Hollywood contributed sure fast way to success in the bowl! Is this the next genre of PUA? .

Looking forward to catching-up with old friends and making new ones.

BR.

[QUOTE=Falar;2524368]I don't know if she's a pro due to limited about information within your post. But I've been battling the though that I maybe dealing with a pro myself. I usually only participate in the bowl when I'm traveling. But I travel to the same areas regularly. I've been talking to this 20 year old college student through texting mainly. I call her once when she ask, when will we talked on the phone. I replied we could speak now but she suggested we speak she took a bath. She never called, a few days later I set her a message and she text back and she said we could talk now. The conversation was short. Now I text her a few days later again and she was telling how her house was broken into and thieves took her TV set, red bottoms and a few other material things according to her. She even mentioned how you really know whose down for you when things are bad. Now, through our communication I was told she's a full time student taking online courses. She recent move to my target area and she don't anyone in area. She wants to move to another state and that she plans to go shopping for either a condo or apartment. I don't know how a full-time online student manage to do all this. I know you could rent but really believe she's pro or she could just be telling a lie. I get random pictures from sometimes, her profile have few professionals looking photos.[/QUOTE]Perhaps not a pro, but she's definitely a player. Be careful.

Just got a huge laugh out of the girl who said that I need to prove to her that I'm not broke, so I need to send her money before she'll even consider a M&G. She got really belligerent when I politely declined. Got to love the scammers that are polluting our pool of sugar baby sites.

LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2524911]Just got a huge laugh out of the girl who said that I need to prove to her that I'm not broke, so I need to send her money before she'll even consider a M&G. She got really belligerent when I politely declined. Got to love the scammers that are polluting our pool of sugar baby sites.[/QUOTE]

Well due to my foot still killing me I only made it to the FC 8 times this month (so far). The only upside is I wore my girls out every time from all the pent up energy. Got to stay positive. Its also given me some time to get caught up on work and reflect a little about my life in general. Nice to see a lot of posting from some new folks.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524988]LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.[/QUOTE]I had an 18 year old with some absolutely massive tits and 'substantial' listed as her needs try to shame me because I didn't offer her a massive allowance at a M&G. It was rather comical, she said I was a really nice guy but that she had to have that level of allowance. GPS at its finest, I'm sure she would have been a dead fish in bed too but I'd have at least had fun with those tits. Oh well.

So a couple of questions for the vets:

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.

The last week I've been working a couple new ones and had a 2nd and third encounter with my little latin princess. Before her the other 2:

One is a definite stay away, my Sipdey senses were way up on this one as a TGTBT. After 2 days of back and forth on SA and texting I ended up bailing out. She's running some kind of scam, can't figure it out but somethings up. As I was bailing she actually got to the point of offering it for free she was so desperate to meet. Here is the profile to watch out [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e0094faf/view?search-created-new[/URL].

The second was "Mary Jane" she uses that pseudonym because she likes weed so much. Because I can always go for a romp, and a little smoke, we took off for the local FC to imbibe. She's a willowy strawberry blond with perky A's and the most tasty little shaved pussy. I'll probably hold her for when my ATF isn't available as kissing was a bit limited and the BJ as all about getting me off without delay. I like to take it slow. I'd put her in the UTR category, she's definitely done this before. I suspect she's done some stripping based on the tattoos and her willingness to jump out of her clothes and into her Victorias Secrets within 30 seconds of the door closing behind her. Considering it was $150 and she supplied the smoke I'll most definitely repeat.

Last and certainly not least is my new ATF, the 18 yo PR princess. Just got back from session #3 and I'm quite frankly dizzy. This girl is so into kissing it reminds me of back seat make out sessions in high school. As soon as you touch a fun part the moaning starts. The first 2 times we stopped at BJ's, this time after dining at the why for a good 30 minutes I couldn't resist diving in when she moaned "I want you inside me". I can't quite put into words what it was like sticking it into a 4'-11" 96 lb. 18 year old. Of course tight and wet come to mind but words for the exact quality of the experience evades me.

My last 2 meetings were marred by her gag reflex. Both times she needed to stop in the middle. We texted about it prior to #3 and as she put it she's "not used to it" as she said she hasn't has sex too many times. I don't really believe that but I sure want to! This time she gobbled it like a pro, I suggested she come up for air every now and again so maybe that helped.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]I had an 18 year old with some absolutely massive tits and 'substantial' listed as her needs try to shame me because I didn't offer her a massive allowance at a M&G. It was rather comical, she said I was a really nice guy but that she had to have that level of allowance. GPS at its finest, I'm sure she would have been a dead fish in bed too but I'd have at least had fun with those tits. Oh well.

So a couple of questions for the vets:

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to keep it open for a future meeting just change your number, get a new google voice one or a textfree app that is just what it implies, I think on that one you have to pay for minutes if you want to actually talk on the phone but you're good to go texting. Now if you don't want to change your number just tell her the boss is getting a little suspicious these days so you're going to have to say close to home a bit until she cools down a little bit (if she questions you still being on sa just say you prepaid because it was cheaper that way which is true so it won't look odd).

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524988]LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.[/QUOTE]I'm always curious as to whether or not they'll keep their word and show up once they have the funds they're requesting. Obviously future sugar does not matter to someone who is attempting to scam you but seems to me it certainly would be to someone that is in it for the right reasons, it's a catch 22. I do like to have a level of trust w / them, as I do with the 2 I see but it took a while to weed out the rest to say the least.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.[/QUOTE]I find there are two generic strategies that work:

1) "My wife (SO / GF) almost caught me and is now watching very closely. I need to protect you from any drama by abstaining for awhile. ".

2) "Can you see me without an allowance for a month or two? My portfolio / investments took a big hit this month and I am not going to have any free cash until the markets recover. I promise to make it up to you later? Can you? Please?" If she says Yes, well, win-win.

Both preserve the option of returning while also getting you free in the short term.

BAM.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]
1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby?

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.[/QUOTE]1. Most of the time I just let the texts dwindle off, say I'm busy, etc. Honestly most of these girls have some aspect of their personality that I find annoying, so if I'm in the state of mind where I want to make a point sometimes I just start using that to their disadvantage. It's generally better not to make waves though, especially if you play close to home or are at alimony risk (neither of those are true for me). Sometimes making waves leads to an argument and great anger-sex or make-up sex after the fight, but when that happens its usually accidental with me rather than part of a plan. Getting in the habit of never answering your phone (just never talk voice, always text) helps when its time to break off, because then you can just start spacing the timing of your texts farther apart to wean her off of you more gradually.

2. Yes, nude photos are surprisingly common in modern days of mobile phones, online dating in general etc. If an SB does this very early, even before first meeting then yes I would tend to regard them as a bit more on the UTR side than what I consider a true SB. But it's not a guarantee.

I'm new to the SD scene and I'll I'm encountering is golden pussy. 2-3 k a month, 1000 per time with no oral. I'm really new but good god where's the 150 200 per time low 20 year olds. I'm in the Blacksburg Roanoke area.

Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2527208]Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good laugh tonight.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2527208]Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.[/QUOTE]While that is not what I want all the time, this can be a good find. Realize that since she needs to be taught EVERYTHING, therefor you have the opportunity to teach her to do all things they way you like them done. I'm not into teaching much, but the handful of times I have had to do that it's been pretty damn good.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2527208]Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.[/QUOTE]Some are better than others. Thats for sure. Still hangin with my ATF, 25 (standing). Things might be picking up at work. That always helps the budget. Still can't drive and those ubers add up. My #2 is in summer school. She is a good little girl and 19. She probably taught me a thing or two (sitting). And as far as I know they are both loyal.

Appreciate the info guys, I'm mostly figuring this out on my own but it's great to have verification from seniors that I'm handling it correctly. Currently I have 4 M&Gs lined up over the rest of the week and a 3rd visit on one I haven't hit FC with yet (more on this one below). I finally hit my stride on the initial approach messages and it's really beginning to show in the responses. Bit concerned I'm overdoing it a bit, but we'll see.

Few more questions / situations:

1. Interesting result that I ran into last weekend: I setup a M&G after extended texting with a 25 yo latin mami who was clearly reluctant to ask for funds. Based on what she was describing I figured (at first) she would be a very cheap ongoing date. The morning of our date I get a text saying she couldn't go through with it, she couldn't go on dates to ask men for money. Her account was brand new and I'm pretty sure I'm the first man that responded to her. After seeing this I started some damage control, it was clear she had problems with the money aspect so I just came out and said "ok forget arrangements and money, let's just go on a date anyway" and she accepted. We met up and she was clearly a little uncomfortable at first, but by the end of the date I got her to open up and she agreed to meet me again. She has a suspended license and that's apparently the major source of her issues, the ticket cost to resolve that is within my budget but apparently it's an insurmountable problem for her. She's not going to do P4 P outright and I'm not interested in just giving away money, perhaps I could use some advice on how to handle this one properly.

2. As you see above, I'm on a 3rd date with another pot. I was about 98% sure that we were going to FC at her apartment on date #2, however she got some cold feet at the security gate and backed out. This time I said I'd come over and look at a computer she has that's broken (which she asked me about last time. This might be the $ to fix it). She's clearly kinda nervous around men, from what she's told me her last boyfriend was bit of a psycho and there's been some stalking. You never know if these girls are making shit up and causing drama or being legit. How many dates would you fine mongers put in with a girl without a FC visit before calling it quits? I haven't come out and said that's what I expect or attempted to guide her to it, frankly with the others so far they were on top of me before I had to say anything. She's 23 and has had plenty of dick before so it's not inexperience, I'm starting to think the crazy ex might be legit and that shook her a bit. She also put on a bit of weight after a car accident, she's still cute but I think it ruined her self-confidence. Maybe I need to hard initiate and see where it goes.

3. Budget: what do you guys allocate for hobbying? Obviously every man's situation is different, I just want to see if what I'm trying to accomplish is reasonable and others are in a similar place. I'm trying to stick to a < $800/ month budget for up to 4 visits a month as that's sustainable for me. I specifically target girls that have their own place to lower costs on hotels and so far I've had very good success with it, I'm a very reserved and understanding guy so I gain girl's trust very easily once we meet. No girls has demanded or expected anything insane in terms of dates or gifts, so I'm staying on track and haven't had to tell anyone no that's made it to a M&G.

[QUOTE=UBetcha89;2526582]I'm new to the SD scene and I'll I'm encountering is golden pussy. 2-3 k a month, 1000 per time with no oral. I'm really new but good god where's the 150 200 per time low 20 year olds. I'm in the Blacksburg Roanoke area.[/QUOTE]They are out there, the new ones take a while to realize they are not going to find that 2-3 k per month. I am working on one now, stated out at 500 per visit, I passed, she came back two weeks later at 350, I passed, she got back to me last night and said she would be good with my original 150. This almost like shooting fish in a barrel. Make theme prove there worth to you. Happy Hunting.

Reaper " She has a suspended license and that's apparently the major source of her issues, the ticket cost to resolve I could use some advice on how to handle this one properly. " " How many dates would you fine mongers put in with a girl without a FC visit before calling it quits?

These are connected. You need to decide if you are a GB (Generous boyfriend) or an SD. If you are on a Sugar site like SA or SDFM then the girls are there to get money. You will fall down a steep rabbit hole if you spend your time trying to convert a good Catholic Mami to a Ho. Make it (gently) clear to the Pots that your goal is to have sex with her as soon as possible and you will be patient within reason. Most of us will allow 2 to 3 sexless / money less "dates" before pulling the plug. Tell Mami that you would like to take care of her ticket problem but you want to be in a relationship 1st (meaning sex). If she doesn't get it move on I would say. The crazy Ex SB I would just have a talk and tell her to put up or shut up. Again, a little more delicate than that.

Budget is totally individual. The more money you provide the easier it will be to collect SBs. Most of us in the lower budget arena spend $150 to 250 / visit. If you are super talented like Hollywood or seek a less GPS demographic then you might dip to $100/ Pop. Anything less than that is BF status if you are young enough. There are guys who are loaded and spend thousands to get a 10/10 but most of us are not in that ball park.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2524478]I forgot to mention that when I dropped her off she drove off in a Mercedes. She has to be a pro. Will find out Saturday.[/QUOTE]Would be easier to share intel if we had her handle.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2525779]I find there are two generic strategies that work:

My portfolio / investments took a big hit this month and I am not going to have any free cash until the markets recover. [/QUOTE]Just show her a map of Europe with big black Xs through Greece and Spain. She won't get it, but visual aids are impressive.

So I've kicked the Asian grad student from rotation and replaced her with the 19 why / o Asian. My summer rotation is made up of two tbops and I'm working a 20 year old nursing student pot.

Agree with HWG on his assessement of tbops. Some are good and can teach you a thing or two, some not so much. The 19 Asian falls into the former category. She is so skilled, it was no surprise when she told me about her sexual history. I'm her first SD she met off SA, but not the first "daddy" she's ever had. The three hour FC session was crazy. And the neighboring room's tv had to have been on the loudest volume setting by the end of it. This one was a screamer / moaner.

Took my 19 blonde blue eyed swim instructor out for her birthday. She officially turned 19. She is not nearly as good in bed as my 19 Asian, and lacks experience, but for me that's a huge turn on. She is a little awkward when she tries to ride me, and her hips lack the rythym that a seasoned pro would bring to the table, but the fact that my blondie is so sweet, inexperienced, and so eager to please, makes up for all that. She genuinely enjoys sex, and gets so wet, that its hard not to get hard just thinking about her. Teaching her new positions and seeing her expressions of surprise when she really likes one makes up for the lack of experience.

So my take on tbops is that when you find a good one, they are worth the trouble. Often they come with more drama, and often need more coaxing to get to the FC. Finding an innocent pyt who wants to please is huge draw of the bowl. If I'm looking for a hot sexpot who knows her way around the bedroom, I'm more apt to contact a trusted provider or one of the many talented modeling agencies that exist in the areas where I play. Don't get me wrong though. I would never turn away a hot sexpot, regardless of if I found her on SA or found her via other means.

In any case, my summer search has come to a close. I will be enjoying the fruits of my labor for the next few months, but will be back up online with a reupped SA account once the fall semester begins.

Best of luck gents!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2528145]Agree with HWG on his assessement of tbops. Some are good and can teach you a thing or two, some not so much. The 19 Asian falls into the former category. She is so skilled, it was no surprise when she told me about her sexual history.

So my take on tbops is that when you find a good one, they are worth the trouble. Often they come with more drama, and often need more coaxing to get to the FC. ![/QUOTE]Aside from skills I actually find it easier to get them to the FC. But no well vetted girl should be hard to get to the FC. But as far as personality in the FC, I find them much more fun, experienced or not.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2528005]Just show her a map of Europe with big black Xs through Greece and Spain. She won't get it, but visual aids are impressive.[/QUOTE]That gave me a good chuckle.

As I had said last month, I was cutting loose all but 1 of the girls in my rotation. With that in mind, I followed thru and last week I re-instated my SA premium membership. I have to say, it has been some very fertile ground. No trips the the FC yet, but I do have the following going on:

POT#1) 21 why / o AA co-ed. 5'4", 105 lbs. , cute as a button. Had talked to this one 5 months ago and she was GPS and turned down my offer of $150. She saw that I had a premium membership again and contacted me. She admitted that nobody was willing to give her what she wanted and actually ended up with 0 dates. We have e-mailed and talked on the phone. We have a m&g set for Monday, with a trip to the FC if we are comfortable. I will report back next week. A shout out to HWG for inspiring me to pursue the young AA girl.

POT#2) 45 why / o white MILF. 5'5", 120 lbs. , good body for a mid 40's MILF. Trying to set up a m&g for tomorrow evening. Our schedules have not aligned.

POT#3) 34 why / o Latina nurse. (Did I ever mention I am a sucker for nurses?) 5'4" 115 lbs. , smoking hot. M&G set for Friday afternoon with a trip to the FC if we are comfortable. This one is really giving all indications she is ready.

BTW, pot#2 & pot#3 have also agreed to $150. The tactic I use is to tell them that my last SB accepted $100 per date. That way, when they want more I can move to the $150, which is what I budgeted anyway.

So, reports on this to follow. I still have 24 days left on my membership to troll. I'm hoping to find the petite, young Asian or Redhead. With any luck, one or both will join in my area soon.

Anyone seen her? We exchanged some messages but she didn't seem to want to carry on much of a conversation but wanted to meet next time I was passing through.

This the same girl who was Jamie 19 AA in Williamsburg last week. I was the first to message her when she showed up as a newbie last week. She said she was interested in a intimate physical relationship and wanted to meet me for dinner last Sunday. But that wouldn't work for me so it was put off until later. Haven't met yet.

A few days later she put her pics private. When I messaged her, she said too many rude messages. Then she deleted her account. But is back with new name and city but the same public pics and more info in her profile. Getting ready to message and see what is up?

Had a few interesting things of note happen with me in the past couple weeks:

I was in another city for a bit of business for a day. I thought I would use SD4 M to hit up some of the local girls while I was there, see if they wanted to M&G and go from there. One of them responded quickly, but she was already an hour away doing something else. Her texts came very slowly. After over two hours, she still hadn't given me a time we could meet at or even a name I could call her (fake or otherwise). I think she was a pro or a UTR who was on the road and seeing a couple of other customers while trying to schedule something with me. I finally gave up on her while I met my other respondent.

The only other respondent who hit me up in time before I had to leave was very nice, friendly, flirty. I met her for a M&G and I thought we hit it off great. She definitely seemed interested. We decided to take things back to my room. We both drove separately. Before I was even back at my room, she had sent me a text claiming she had some family emergency. Maybe true, but the timing of that seemed highly suspect. I guess maybe I wasn't her type and she didn't have the guts to tell me to my face. I really wish these girls would learn to just tell us to our face that they're not interested, instead of leaving us hanging or cutting us off just as we think a FC date will start. And it's not that she got cold feet I think, she has had other SDs in the past (or at least that's what she claimed). So who knows.

After I returned home, I had a single mom respond to my SA message. Met up for a M&G that seemed to go okay. She told me she was interested in having an arrangement with me. But since the M&G she's gone radio silent. She had never done this sort of thing before, so I think she decided she couldn't pull the trigger, or I had another case of meeting a girl who decided I really wasn't her type but couldn't tell me to my face.

One of the local girls who has been on the site for quite some time and has always expressed wanting a high allowance contacted me again. I'm not sure if she remembers me from a couple of the previous discussions we've had. But I'm guessing she's realized that the mega-millionaires are very rare in our area, so she's starting to think a little more reasonably. We're still discussing things in messages, but just the fact that she's still listening to me when I gave her a lower donation than what she's normally stated is a huge step in the right direction.

Another local girl contacted me, but she's all over the place. She's one of the tbops whom I love, but she's one of the tbops who lacks the maturity that some of the other girls her age I've seen. We're supposed to meet up today for a very brief M&G and then straight to the FC, but I'm really wondering if this girl is all talk. So far, that's all I've seen from her.

Hi, what are you guys finding works best when meeting a new sb. Just meeting at the FC and seeing how it goes or doing a m&g moving on to the FC? I'm thinking about trying this out but the thought of meeting a 21 why / o who is a different race at a public restaurant / coffee shop isn't something I can get my head around.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2529149]Hi, what are you guys finding works best when meeting a new sb. Just meeting at the FC and seeing how it goes or doing a m&g moving on to the FC? I'm thinking about trying this out but the thought of meeting a 21 why / o who is a different race at a public restaurant / coffee shop isn't something I can get my head around.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you are looking for. If you can not date out and about due to marriage constraints or social stigmas just go straight to the FC. Her agreement to do that places her in the UTR or almost UTR category, so you will not attract the Sweet college girl who would be aghast at meeting a stranger like that.

OTOH if you want a true SB to wine and dine and have a real relationship outside the FC go for a coffee / dinner meet.

I like the second type but I need to do the first. I want a pre-UTR. Usually they see how easy it is to make loads of $$ screwing a senior citizen and start adding clients.

Fred is spot on, a utr or pro will go or meet at the fc, I've only done that once, and frankly never saw her again. Not because we didn't get along or she wasn't hot because she was, I simply don't want that! All of my others I have done the m&g's. A couple of time have felt out of place because of race or age so now I use the local restaurant / bar finding apps to find a quiet pub close to the baby. Make it easy and safe for her, quiet for me (so we don't need to yell), and not uncomfortable or awkward. Hell, several places would look at me as a regular now!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2529199]Depends on what you are looking for. If you can not date out and about due to marriage constraints or social stigmas just go straight to the FC. Her agreement to do that places her in the UTR or almost UTR category, so you will not attract the Sweet college girl who would be aghast at meeting a stranger like that.

OTOH if you want a true SB to wine and dine and have a real relationship outside the FC go for a coffee / dinner meet.

I like the second type but I need to do the first. I want a pre-UTR. Usually they see how easy it is to make loads of $$ screwing a senior citizen and start adding clients.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zman429;2529149]Hi, what are you guys finding works best when meeting a new sb. Just meeting at the FC and seeing how it goes or doing a m&g moving on to the FC? I'm thinking about trying this out but the thought of meeting a 21 why / o who is a different race at a public restaurant / coffee shop isn't something I can get my head around.[/QUOTE]Meet them at the coffee shop. Try to get there first and when you see them coming just invite them into your car, where you can have a "private discussion". Works every time. From there you can go to the FC or not.

I'm thinking about trying SD4 Me next. I remember some reports on here awhile back ago that the site was still charging members after they cancelled. Is anyone still having problems with this?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2529273]Meet them at the coffee shop. Try to get there first and when you see them coming just invite them into your car, where you can have a "private discussion". Works every time. From there you can go to the FC or not.[/QUOTE]I live in Vegas and there are definitely girls that have jobs but realize at the end of the month they need additional funds. So they seem to be a bit more open to things. But we'll see.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2529276]I'm thinking about trying SD4 Me next. I remember some reports on here awhile back ago that the site was still charging members after they cancelled. Is anyone still having problems with this?[/QUOTE]Yep. The last time I signed with them, I used a card I rarely use. And that card was compromised and all sorts of fraudulent purchases were being made with it shortly after I subscribed. I strongly, STRONGLY suggest you use a disposable Visa card or some such.

So, as I dip further into the sugar bowl it becomes obvious to me that it is just about as easy and the same cost for us to get hot babes in their late teens and early 20's as it is to get MILFs or older women in their 30's or 40's.

So, if we don't need to settle for what we can get because we can get what we want, does anyone anyone actually prefer MILFs or older women to girls under 25?

OK, got a little unsettling news on POT#3 this afternoon. Chatting it up with a few local mongers, it turns out she has been doing this for a while. That's not the problem in itself, but it's looking like she has a bit of GPS in her. One guy told me she wanted $350. He offered her $200, which she initially turned down. He says she then texted him back 3 hours later saying she would meet him for the $200. He told her too late, so I don't know if she is even worth the $200. Now I am considering going silent on her. We did not discuss sugar yet, figuring we would do that tomorrow. However, now I am sure that my offer of $150 will never fly, and maybe even $200 would be turned down. I don't think I want to waste my time.