Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=IDigit88;3657852]I know it's morally wrong but I really love it when I see a girl in an ad sporting a tattoo that shows that they are owned by someone I also like it when a girl has a tattoo that marks her as a prostitute.

Brandie (909) *9199 has a couple tats for pac daddie. She has one on her lower stomach that I don't get. Looks like two at symbols. Any idea what they mean.

Mya (513) *8977 has a tat that looks like "loyalty" on her shoulder. Could be wrong.

Kell? (At least that is what she used to go by (513) *4532 has a tat above her tits that says $ for love. At least it looks like it. Speaking of Kell, she's been discussed in the past, but there is something about her look that I like. Any recent intel?

Always wanted the wife to get a "property of" tat above her pussy. But she's not having any of it. LOL.

IDI.[/QUOTE]I have never been a fan of tats. If a girl has more than a couple instances of artwork on her body or even just one large tat or gruesome tats of skulls, etc;, I tend to lose interest. If I met a girl who had a "Property of _ " I would probably steer clear of her too.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;3657317]Go talk to an attorney. First consultation generally is free. Talk to 3 or 4 of them if you need to.[/QUOTE]The other part I forgot to add is that the money that she "paid" down the mortgage, if that was not a pre-arranged part of the agreement. That money maybe considered a gift in the eyes of the court. She really needs to seek an attorney before she loses ALL of it.

[QUOTE=StripJunkie;3657867]I have never been a fan of tats. If a girl has more than a couple instances of artwork on her body or even just one large tat or gruesome tats of skulls, etc;, I tend to lose interest. If I met a girl who had a "Property of _ " I would probably steer clear of her too.[/QUOTE]My ex wife has property of and my signature on her ass. I tried talking her out of it but she was insistant on getting it. I always told her if we divorced she could always draw a line through my name and put the next underneath it. Would be much like the list for the Browns quaterbacks LOL.

I went for it just recently with a client of mine who paid me once, then we flirted via texting (sexting?) on and off for 6 months. He was the one who suggested he see me for free for mutual pleasure. I was really attracted to him and was jonsing for his cock and body. Only thing is he just kept texting me without following through to fuck me. He'd say I will come over soon when I asked him about it, but he kept putting me off saying he was too busy at work and that it's hard for him to get to my place, which was around 45 min away. After talking about the great sex we were going to have and how he was going to bang me and what I planned to do with his cock I got frustrated and told him there was an expiration date for the mutual pleasure. He got upset and accused me of giving him an ultimatum to have sex with him! Actually through the months he claimed twice that I was giving him ultimatums for him to fuck me and the second time he told me when someone gives him an ultimatum to do something he does the opposite! He came over once during the summer as we were going to go to a swingers club so we were checking that out on my computer at home. I just assumed he was going to fuck me, but while we were on the computer he said that a friend of his had car trouble and he had to rescue them. I asked about the fucking and he told me he'd take a rain check! I liked chatting and sexting with him, then got bored with it and gave up. I didn't text him for over a month then he started texting me and asking me if he could come over to have sex with me. This was 6 months after we started talking about him having free sex with me! I was sore, so I told him I was too busy to have sex with him and then I started putting him off. We finally made a tentative date to have sex. This was a Wednesday and I asked him to let me know for certain on Tuesday so I wouldn't schedule any clients Wednesday. I texted him Tuesday afternoon and he said he was working on it, then I waited until 9 thirty pm, got pissed and cancelled on him. LOL. I got on him about flaking on me. Actually this was the second time he flaked on me. The first was months before he was supposed to come over on a Sunday and he said he'd text me Sunday to come over and I never heard from him. So I got on him about flaking on me twice and that it's inconvenient for me, because I turned down potential clients to have sex with him. He said he didn't need my drama. LOL I hate when guys call women drama. He said he didn't remember flaking on me the first time and the second time he accused me of cancelling on him, which was half true. He also accused me of writing him many angry texts (which was one text, but whatever) and I apologized. Anyway we finally made plans to have sex two Sundays ago. And of course I was the one who had to call him on Sunday and remind him and ask if we were still on for the sex. He finally came over, we chatting about politics and romantic relationships on my couch and our opinions on the subjects. He did get upset with me when he told me men should get maternity leave and I asked him why and he got and he said "I can see how you feel about men!" So frustrating. If men want maternity leave, fine. I just want to get laid for gosh sakes! Apparently he believes that women want more rights than men. Bla bla bla. And also got upset with me, because he thought I said men don't have any feelings. When I said men have feelings, but tend not to show them. So finally I try to make out with him and he wanted to go to the bedroom. Fine by me. We get into bed and he asks me what I want to do with his body. I asked if I could have my orgasm first, so he gave me one with my vibrator. He tried to fuck me, but my pussy is too tight and he's too big. (sigh) So basically all he wanted was me to blow him a bit, then lick his asshole and jerk him off. I tried to kiss and make out with him, but he turned his head, so no kissing. He came, then I went to hug him for a cuddle and he pushed me away to get dressed. He headed to the door and I tried to hug him and give him a peck on the lips and he turned his head and my lips hit his cheek. I texted him after he left asking him if he were uncomfortable after the sex and if so that it made me feel awkward. I also asked if he didn't want to kiss me because of bad breath? I was very flattering with his performance, making me cum and such and that I enjoyed the chatting beforehand. No response. I texted him again a week later telling him a funny story about a client not being able to find my apt door, claimed to have gotten lost and cancelled on me. No response. Then the last text was a few nights ago telling him what it was about him that I liked since he'd asked me why several times. No response. And you guys accuse women of being confusing! What's up with this guy? Unfortunately I can't find out from him, because he's gone silent on me.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3658123]I went for it just recently with a client of mine who paid me once, then we flirted via texting (sexting?) on and off for 6 months. He was the one who suggested he see me for free for mutual pleasure. I was really attracted to him and was jonsing for his cock and body. Only thing is he just kept texting me without following through to fuck me. He'd say I will come over soon when I asked him about it, but he kept putting me off saying he was too busy at work and that it's hard for him to get to my place, which was around 45 min away. After talking about the great sex we were going to have and how he was going to bang me and what I planned to do with his cock I got frustrated and told him there was an expiration date for the mutual pleasure. He got upset and accused me of giving him an ultimatum to have sex with him! Actually through the months he claimed twice that I was giving him ultimatums for him to fuck me and the second time he told me when someone gives him an ultimatum to do something he does the opposite! He came over once during the summer as we were going to go to a swingers club so we were checking that out on my computer at home. I just assumed he was going to fuck me, but while we were on the computer he said that a friend of his had car trouble and he had to rescue them. I asked about the fucking and he told me he'd take a rain check! I liked chatting and sexting with him, then got bored with it and gave up. I didn't text him for over a month then he started texting me and asking me if he could come over to have sex with me. This was 6 months after we started talking about him having free sex with me! I was sore, so I told him I was too busy to have sex with him and then I started putting him off. We finally made a tentative date to have sex. This was a Wednesday and I asked him to let me know for certain on Tuesday so I wouldn't schedule any clients Wednesday. I texted him Tuesday afternoon and he said he was working on it, then I waited until 9 thirty pm, got pissed and cancelled on him. LOL. I got on him about flaking on me. Actually this was the second time he flaked on me. The first was months before he was supposed to come over on a Sunday and he said he'd text me Sunday to come over and I never heard from him. So I got on him about flaking on me twice and that it's inconvenient for me, because I turned down potential clients to have sex with him. He said he didn't need my drama. LOL I hate when guys call women drama. He said he didn't remember flaking on me the first time and the second time he accused me of cancelling on him, which was half true. He also accused me of writing him many angry texts (which was one text, but whatever) and I apologized. Anyway we finally made plans to have sex two Sundays ago. And of course I was the one who had to call him on Sunday and remind him and ask if we were still on for the sex. He finally came over, we chatting about politics and romantic relationships on my couch and our opinions on the subjects. He did get upset with me when he told me men should get maternity leave and I asked him why and he got and he said "I can see how you feel about men!" So frustrating. If men want maternity leave, fine. I just want to get laid for gosh sakes! Apparently he believes that women want more rights than men. Bla bla bla. And also got upset with me, because he thought I said men don't have any feelings. When I said men have feelings, but tend not to show them. So finally I try to make out with him and he wanted to go to the bedroom. Fine by me. We get into bed and he asks me what I want to do with his body. I asked if I could have my orgasm first, so he gave me one with my vibrator. He tried to fuck me, but my pussy is too tight and he's too big. (sigh) So basically all he wanted was me to blow him a bit, then lick his asshole and jerk him off. I tried to kiss and make out with him, but he turned his head, so no kissing. He came, then I went to hug him for a cuddle and he pushed me away to get dressed. He headed to the door and I tried to hug him and give him a peck on the lips and he turned his head and my lips hit his cheek. I texted him after he left asking him if he were uncomfortable after the sex and if so that it made me feel awkward. I also asked if he didn't want to kiss me because of bad breath? I was very flattering with his performance, making me cum and such and that I enjoyed the chatting beforehand. No response. I texted him again a week later telling him a funny story about a client not being able to find my apt door, claimed to have gotten lost and cancelled on me. No response. Then the last text was a few nights ago telling him what it was about him that I liked since he'd asked me why several times. No response. And you guys accuse women of being confusing! What's up with this guy? Unfortunately I can't find out from him, because he's gone silent on me.[/QUOTE]Can't read it. Paragraphs sweetie. Look it up.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3658123]I went for it just recently with a client of mine who paid me once, then we flirted via texting (sexting?) on and off for 6 months. He was the one who suggested he see me for free for mutual pleasure. I was really attracted to him and was jonsing for his cock and body. Only thing is he just kept texting me without following through to fuck me. He'd say I will come over soon when I asked him about it, but he kept putting me off saying he was too busy at work and that it's hard for him to get to my place, which was around 45 min away. After talking about the great sex we were going to have and how he was going to bang me and what I planned to do with his cock I got frustrated and told him there was an expiration date for the mutual pleasure. He got upset and accused me of giving him an ultimatum to have sex with him! Actually through the months he claimed twice that I was giving him ultimatums for him to fuck me and the second time he told me when someone gives him an ultimatum to do something he does the opposite! He came over once during the summer as we were going to go to a swingers club so we were checking that out on my computer at home. I just assumed he was going to fuck me, but while we were on the computer he said that a friend of his had car trouble and he had to rescue them. I asked about the fucking and he told me he'd take a rain check! I liked chatting and sexting with him, then got bored with it and gave up. I didn't text him for over a month then he started texting me and asking me if he could come over to have sex with me. This was 6 months after we started talking about him having free sex with me! I was sore, so I told him I was too busy to have sex with him and then I started putting him off. We finally made a tentative date to have sex. This was a Wednesday and I asked him to let me know for certain on Tuesday so I wouldn't schedule any clients Wednesday. I texted him Tuesday afternoon and he said he was working on it, then I waited until 9 thirty pm, got pissed and cancelled on him. LOL. I got on him about flaking on me. Actually this was the second time he flaked on me. The first was months before he was supposed to come over on a Sunday and he said he'd text me Sunday to come over and I never heard from him. So I got on him about flaking on me twice and that it's inconvenient for me, because I turned down potential clients to have sex with him. He said he didn't need my drama. LOL I hate when guys call women drama. He said he didn't remember flaking on me the first time and the second time he accused me of cancelling on him, which was half true. He also accused me of writing him many angry texts (which was one text, but whatever) and I apologized. Anyway we finally made plans to have sex two Sundays ago..[/QUOTE]What is this all about.

[QUOTE=CN532;3658621]What is this all about.[/QUOTE]I believe its a legitimate, sexually frustrated rant.

[QUOTE=EricJones21;3658984]I believe its a legitimate, sexually frustrated rant.[/QUOTE]If she is that frustrated, I am sure that some gentlemen here will volunteer to help her with her frustrations, for free!

(Waving hand to volunteer.).

[QUOTE=BTBear;3659073]If she is that frustrated, I am sure that some gentlemen here will volunteer to help her with her frustrations, for free!

(Waving hand to volunteer.).[/QUOTE]I already sent her a PM, mainly to ask who she is. And I also offered to volunteer my charm and good looks to help her forget her troubles LOL. Problem is, she's in Boston. Which explains why I hadn't heard of her.

LL.

So let me clarify something. The guy lives 40 min away, has paid me once and then for months on end says he's going to fuck me for free soon and it takes him months to get over to me for the free sex. He says he works a lot and is very busy. If you worked a lot would you be able to find time to fuck for free? This guy confuses the hell out of me. He finally contacted me today and we've been talking about doing webcam work where I will suck his dick and we both make money. I wonder if he can find time in his schedule for that? LOL Is there something wrong with this guy?

[QUOTE=LuvnLivn;3659390]I already sent her a PM, mainly to ask who she is. And I also offered to volunteer my charm and good looks to help her forget her troubles LOL. Problem is, she's in Boston. Which explains why I hadn't heard of her.

LL.[/QUOTE]In was curious as well and if you look thru her posts you will be lucky enough to find a post with several pics of her and get a sense of who she is. I also noticed she was in. Boston but posts in Cindy some times. Guess she likes Cincy.

Has given her rants & raves before on our forum. Seems she likes us here in the Nati. She's cool as far as I can tell, and I'd love to fuck her for free, and I'd drop coin to fuck her. As far as this workaholic who can't find time to fuck her for free well shame on him. I think I got all the free pussy conversation started, so Deb if you're ever in the greater Cincinnati area shoot me a PM I love pussy free or pay. As for my little co worker I've fucked her 2 more times I can't help it. I don't have money or even a reputation to tarnish, I'm just an old working man. If she's using me or setting me up for something I'm very confused on what she'll get. So I'm going to ride this train till one or both of us are tired of it and move on no hard feelings. No offense but I'd like to see some of you guys get on moral high ground if she's standing in front of you at 5 ft 4 inches 117 lbs butt naked wanting to suck your dick and bang you. Push her away I think not. HL29.

A couple things about the current video controversy. I was kind of freaked out at first when I saw the post about Chloe having a video doorbell. But I've seen Chloe a couple times and I think it is highly unlikely she is keeping the images or that she is using the doorbell for anything other than personal safety. Her street is nice, but she is close to a crappy neighborhood.

And guys, if you've been doing this for any length of time, you have probably already been on candid camera at some point. About 6-7 years ago when I was lurking here but didn't have an account, I overheard a guy saying he and his neighbors were recording dudes coming and going from a residence on their street where a provider had set up shop. I was certain I knew which provider based on reports here. It wouldn't have done any good for me to set up an account and post something here, as the provider quit advertising right after I overheard this (and who would have believed me anyway, with only one post to my name). In any case, I believed the guy I overheard was telling the truth.

Video is just one of many risks we take in the hobby.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3659566]A couple things about the current video controversy. I was kind of freaked out at first when I saw the post about Chloe having a video doorbell. But I've seen Chloe a couple times and I think it is highly unlikely she is keeping the images or that she is using the doorbell for anything other than personal safety. Her street is nice, but she is close to a crappy neighborhood.

And guys, if you've been doing this for any length of time, you have probably already been on candid camera at some point. About 6-7 years ago when I was lurking here but didn't have an account, I overheard a guy saying he and his neighbors were recording dudes coming and going from a residence on their street where a provider had set up shop. I was certain I knew which provider based on reports here. It wouldn't have done any good for me to set up an account and post something here, as the provider quit advertising right after I overheard this (and who would have believed me anyway, with only one post to my name). In any case, I believed the guy I overheard was telling the truth.

Video is just one of many risks we take in the hobby.[/QUOTE]I agree. And as far as Chloe goes, if she were collecting images for some nefarious scheme, she would insist that everyone ring the doorbell when they arrive. I didn't even realize she had one because she has always met me at the door after I text her upon arrival. Although maybe she SHOULD insist, for safety's sake.

I touched on this subject awhile back when a provider told me the camera in her Samsung smart TV had been hacked into. So who knows? Maybe my bare ass will end up on Pornhub. I've been looking but there are so many guys on there with a mole on there ass in the same spot as mine LOL. Cameras are pretty much everywhere now that they are so cheap and discreet. Unless someone has a reason to f**k with you, I think the odds of any of us getting in trouble because of them are pretty slim. I agree with UOLO. It's no more risky than anything else we do in this hobby.

Just my take.

LuvnLivn.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3659394]So let me clarify something. The guy lives 40 min away, has paid me once and then for months on end says he's going to fuck me for free soon and it takes him months to get over to me for the free sex. He says he works a lot and is very busy. If you worked a lot would you be able to find time to fuck for free? This guy confuses the hell out of me. He finally contacted me today and we've been talking about doing webcam work where I will suck his dick and we both make money. I wonder if he can find time in his schedule for that? LOL Is there something wrong with this guy?[/QUOTE]Something wrong with both of ya. Him for wasting your time and you for not shutting this down long ago. Apparently you both like this back and forth.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3659530]Has given her rants & raves before on our forum. Seems she likes us here in the Nati. She's cool as far as I can tell, and I'd love to fuck her for free, and I'd drop coin to fuck her. As far as this workaholic who can't find time to fuck her for free well shame on him. I think I got all the free pussy conversation started, so Deb if you're ever in the greater Cincinnati area shoot me a PM I love pussy free or pay. As for my little co worker I've fucked her 2 more times I can't help it. I don't have money or even a reputation to tarnish, I'm just an old working man. If she's using me or setting me up for something I'm very confused on what she'll get. So I'm going to ride this train till one or both of us are tired of it and move on no hard feelings. No offense but I'd like to see some of you guys get on moral high ground if she's standing in front of you at 5 ft 4 inches 117 lbs butt naked wanting to suck your dick and bang you. Push her away I think not. HL29.[/QUOTE]Dude, smash away. You got my vote.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3659530]Has given her rants & raves before on our forum. Seems she likes us here in the Nati. She's cool as far as I can tell, and I'd love to fuck her for free, and I'd drop coin to fuck her. As far as this workaholic who can't find time to fuck her for free well shame on him. I think I got all the free pussy conversation started, so Deb if you're ever in the greater Cincinnati area shoot me a PM I love pussy free or pay. As for my little co worker I've fucked her 2 more times I can't help it. I don't have money or even a reputation to tarnish, I'm just an old working man. If she's using me or setting me up for something I'm very confused on what she'll get. So I'm going to ride this train till one or both of us are tired of it and move on no hard feelings. No offense but I'd like to see some of you guys get on moral high ground if she's standing in front of you at 5 ft 4 inches 117 lbs butt naked wanting to suck your dick and bang you. Push her away I think not. HL29.[/QUOTE]The only difference is that she works for you. So when you do anything she doesn't like, your career is in Alex Trebek mode. She can use whatever advantages she gained as proof and whatever happens afterwards. You're in a no win situation unless you stick with this for the long haul, and don't push her ass away when she gets crazy and wants more from you besides sex.

Diamond used my review in her latest ad! I feel famous now! LOL.

[URL]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/513-349-8332/54905522[/URL]

[QUOTE=EricJones21;3660372]The only difference is that she works for you. So when you do anything she doesn't like, your career is in Alex Trebek mode. She can use whatever advantages she gained as proof and whatever happens afterwards. You're in a no win situation unless you stick with this for the long haul, and don't push her ass away when she gets crazy and wants more from you besides sex.[/QUOTE]Unless you know about a hidden treasure that I have hidden somewhere, then there's nothing she can get from me. Some dick a sandwich maybe a couple bucks here and there, and that's no problem I buy pussy all the time. It's not like I'm some big time CEO. This girl is 27 years old I have no future with her and she knows that. We work in a very public place some young guy who has some sense will eventually scoop her up and we will move on. Painting a picture of gloom and doom because we decided to rub toes is crazy. If this girl goes crazy over me then she is crazy cause I ain't all that. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3662451]Unless you know about a hidden treasure that I have hidden somewhere, then there's nothing she can get from me. Some dick a sandwich maybe a couple bucks here and there, and that's no problem I buy pussy all the time. It's not like I'm some big time CEO. This girl is 27 years old I have no future with her and she knows that. We work in a very public place some young guy who has some sense will eventually scoop her up and we will move on. Painting a picture of gloom and doom because we decided to rub toes is crazy. If this girl goes crazy over me then she is crazy cause I ain't all that. HL29.[/QUOTE]You have some-thing going for you, not everybody can get young pussy for free, and repeat.

Impressive no matter what.

You got bigger balls or longer dick than me.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3659566]A couple things about the current video controversy. I was kind of freaked out at first when I saw the post about Chloe having a video doorbell. But I've seen Chloe a couple times and I think it is highly unlikely she is keeping the images or that she is using the doorbell for anything other than personal safety. Her street is nice, but she is close to a crappy neighborhood.

And guys, if you've been doing this for any length of time, you have probably already been on candid camera at some point. About 6-7 years ago when I was lurking here but didn't have an account, I overheard a guy saying he and his neighbors were recording dudes coming and going from a residence on their street where a provider had set up shop. I was certain I knew which provider based on reports here. It wouldn't have done any good for me to set up an account and post something here, as the provider quit advertising right after I overheard this (and who would have believed me anyway, with only one post to my name). In any case, I believed the guy I overheard was telling the truth.

Video is just one of many risks we take in the hobby.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvnLivn;3659812]I agree. And as far as Chloe goes, if she were collecting images for some nefarious scheme, she would insist that everyone ring the doorbell when they arrive. I didn't even realize she had one because she has always met me at the door after I text her upon arrival. Although maybe she SHOULD insist, for safety's sake.

I touched on this subject awhile back when a provider told me the camera in her Samsung smart TV had been hacked into. So who knows? Maybe my bare ass will end up on Pornhub. I've been looking but there are so many guys on there with a mole on there ass in the same spot as mine LOL. Cameras are pretty much everywhere now that they are so cheap and discreet. Unless someone has a reason to f**k with you, I think the odds of any of us getting in trouble because of them are pretty slim. I agree with UOLO. It's no more risky than anything else we do in this hobby.

Just my take.

LuvnLivn.[/QUOTE]I've been on the road and haven't had time to catch up, but I did not intend to start a controversy. I meant to acknowledge there's a doorbell with video. I clearly didn't care since I saw it once and still went back again. I always ask for details around here and thought the info would matter to others. I Didn't imply or think anything nefarious was going on.

Like Molly said, you're being recorded nearly every time you go to a hotel incall, and Chloe has never set off my spider sense. I still think it was worth mentioning though just because it's a thing we all like to know.

Anyway, that all escalated quickly. Not trying to kick it off again, just clarifying.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3661957]Diamond used my review in her latest ad! I feel famous now! LOL.

[URL]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/513-349-8332/54905522[/URL][/QUOTE]Get her to review you! That's the holy grail! LOL.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3662451]Unless you know about a hidden treasure that I have hidden somewhere, then there's nothing she can get from me. Some dick a sandwich maybe a couple bucks here and there, and that's no problem I buy pussy all the time. It's not like I'm some big time CEO. This girl is 27 years old I have no future with her and she knows that. We work in a very public place some young guy who has some sense will eventually scoop her up and we will move on. Painting a picture of gloom and doom because we decided to rub toes is crazy. If this girl goes crazy over me then she is crazy cause I ain't all that. HL29.[/QUOTE]HL,

I have followed your posts for years and would have never thought you would be so much of a horn dog to shit in your own doghouse.

As someone who was once accused of harassment, I know it ain't fun. Like in your case, the lady was not a subordinate. She got offended by things I said in a public bar. I did realize that I had overstepped the bounds and did apologize the next day. She still filed a complaint.

The fact that she:

1.) could have left the bar.

2.) was accepting drinks that I purchased for her and others.

3.) was not someone that I directly supervised and had no influence on her possible career.

4.) she never complained about the activity while it was happening.

5.) did accept, though she said under duress, my apology, gave her no leg to stand on.

I have had over the years one or two mistresses at work. Never were they subordinate to me. Never could I have affected their career. All were and are now after MANY years women who actually like / love me even to this day. The BCD activities happened after a lot of back and forth, kidding, flirting and knowing each other as friends first, lovers second.

Good luck to you. May the force be with you and hopefully you won't get a light saber up your ass, which could cut off your dick for the future.

Dude, more power to you if you can maintain an adult, sexual, non-vindictive relationship with a 20 something, but the odds are against it really lasting.

[QUOTE=Dlr1421;3661674]Quoted me 250 but not a clock watcher. I passed.

QUOTE=JLZ61;3661652]Contacted her from USASG. Decent in looks and body. But still soccer mom-ish. Smart. Good conversation. Her hubby loves that she does this. He actually dropped her off.

Far too long ago for me to remember the rate. Sorry.[/QUOTE]If $250 an hour is too much, then keep calling the BP ads or Craigslist. Be the third, fourth or seventh guy she sees that day. Be the second or third run to the dealer for her fix. With Suzie you might. Underscore might. Be the only one for the day, and it is because she truly likes sex and figures "WTF, I guess can pay for a Christmas present or two while cumming twice. " From my past experience with Suzie you probably are at the worst only the second of the day.

I have been doing the Hobby too long. I remember when NO ONE offered Half Hours, let alone QVs. Quality talent gives more value than what you pay in price. I last saw Suzie in '14. It has been so long, I don't remember what I paid. I can tell you she was worth every penny I spent. She was so stringent in screening that we first met at a bar and then went from there. I guess I passed the "meet for drinks" test because I saw her probably 7 times and each time was fantastic. Never a clock watcher. Treated me like a king. Always offered two pops. She is not a twenty-something, but that brings a certain sense of sexuality that only a woman who really understands her own body AND yours can bring to the bed.

Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.

We all like to keep some communications private, but why in the fuck can't we all keep our PM inbox clean enough to get messages?

I think it is because of one of the following:

A.) You aren't on the board enough that whether you get PMs really matter. If that is the case, quit fucking posting incomplete shit. PMs are sent because YOU left out info that people want / need.

B.) You are an idiot and think you are above answering PMs even from Senior Members, even though many of you newbies aren't Seniors.

C.) You are just a douche who likes to read his own posts and then not deal with PMs about the nuggets of wisdom or should I say BS that those posts include or the drama they cause.

D.) You actually have some information that a lot of guys want to get, then quit being such a ho-hog and answer the PMs or actually put the information that everyone wants in your original post. Ad link. Phone number. You know what guys are asking for, is it such a state secret you can't post it in the public view? Or do you think that you are such a great cocksman (another word for Dick) that you only want to brag about your abilities. These guys are the ones who always post a review about a UTR that they can't or won't support with contact info. UTR reviews are like days without sunshine, they are just blah BS for the gratification of others.

I posted this with sarcasm and some snarkiness that should not be attacked since this is after all the Octagon.

[QUOTE=DNut;3663173]I don't know why some guys leave to head to an Incall location without an exact address. When I am told to go to some generic location and wait for further instructions, I just say that I don't do that. It's not Mission: Impossible where you have to go to certain stops. If they insist, I just say, "It's not going to work. I am calling someone else. ". You have the power of the cash, and with it comes the "No BS leverage". Use it.[/QUOTE]This is EXACTLY right. And once you get an address and show up, don't wait more than 10 min, and that's generous. There's plenty of decent girls, whether UTR or on USASG that will take care of you without all the bullshit.

I passed because the face pic she sent me didn't really do anything for me. Different strokes for different folks. I was only trying to answer a question that someone asked. I thought that was what this forun was for?

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]If $250 an hour is too much, then keep calling the BP ads or Craigslist. Be the third, fourth or seventh guy she sees that day. Be the second or third run to the dealer for her fix. With Suzie you might. Underscore might. Be the only one for the day, and it is because she truly likes sex and figures "WTF, I guess can pay for a Christmas present or two while cumming twice. " From my past experience with Suzie you probably are at the worst only the second of the day.

I have been doing the Hobby too long. I remember when NO ONE offered Half Hours, let alone QVs. Quality talent gives more value than what you pay in price. I last saw Suzie in '14. It has been so long, I don't remember what I paid. I can tell you she was worth every penny I spent. She was so stringent in screening that we first met at a bar and then went from there. I guess I passed the "meet for drinks" test because I saw her probably 7 times and each time was fantastic. Never a clock watcher. Treated me like a king. Always offered two pops. She is not a twenty-something, but that brings a certain sense of sexuality that only a woman who really understands her own body AND yours can bring to the bed.

Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3663790]This is EXACTLY right. And once you get an address and show up, don't wait more than 10 min, and that's generous. There's plenty of decent girls, whether UTR or on USASG that will take care of you without all the bullshit.[/QUOTE]Yes there are plenty of UTR or USASG girls who don't play games. And I didn't think this one would either based on a recent rave review by a senior member. He has since posted a second one so I'm sure she is great. But where I screwed up was asking two questions in the same text message. Her age and her address. Not all, but some of the girls can't seem to handle that. She was getting in the shower so I thought she'd send the address afterward. Considering the review, I had no reason to think she wouldn't. Lesson learned.

LL.

Hey Bear,

We've gotten on pretty well and I'm not trying to change that, but. I remember many years ago I joined USASG (under a different ID) and the 1st review I posted got pretty well lambasted by several "seniors". They didn't even attempt to be polite or constructive about it, just basically told me that my review was shit. As a newbie, it really made me not feel all that comfortable posting. Kind of felt like I was infringing on a good ole boy network or something. It was a few years later before I came back to try again. So I'm just sayin'. I didn't see anything in Dlr1421's post that put the lady in question down, he just stated that he wasn't into paying that kind of money for it. I have more than enough money to spend on the hobby, and to be honest I see very few providers in the Cincy area that I consider worth that. Maybe it wasn't your intention to come off that way, but he looks fairly new, and the more posters we get, the better. Let's not chase them off.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]If $250 an hour is too much, then keep calling the BP ads or Craigslist. Be the third, fourth or seventh guy she sees that day. Be the second or third run to the dealer for her fix. With Suzie you might. Underscore might. Be the only one for the day, and it is because she truly likes sex and figures "WTF, I guess can pay for a Christmas present or two while cumming twice. " From my past experience with Suzie you probably are at the worst only the second of the day.

I have been doing the Hobby too long. I remember when NO ONE offered Half Hours, let alone QVs. Quality talent gives more value than what you pay in price. I last saw Suzie in '14. It has been so long, I don't remember what I paid. I can tell you she was worth every penny I spent. She was so stringent in screening that we first met at a bar and then went from there. I guess I passed the "meet for drinks" test because I saw her probably 7 times and each time was fantastic. Never a clock watcher. Treated me like a king. Always offered two pops. She is not a twenty-something, but that brings a certain sense of sexuality that only a woman who really understands her own body AND yours can bring to the bed.

Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvnLivn;3665306]Yes there are plenty of UTR or USASG girls who don't play games. And I didn't think this one would either based on a recent rave review by a senior member. He has since posted a second one so I'm sure she is great. But where I screwed up was asking two questions in the same text message. Her age and her address. Not all, but some of the girls can't seem to handle that. She was getting in the shower so I thought she'd send the address afterward. Considering the review, I had no reason to think she wouldn't. Lesson learned.

LL.[/QUOTE]Ha! I have learned to keep the questions to one at a time. A lot of these young chicks can't deal with a paragraph or more than a single line of text.

Merry Christmas, everyone, and don't forget to leave the cookies and MILF out for Santa!

CFG.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3665413]Hey Bear,

We've gotten on pretty well and I'm not trying to change that, but. I remember many years ago I joined USASG (under a different ID) and the 1st review I posted got pretty well lambasted by several "seniors". They didn't even attempt to be polite or constructive about it, just basically told me that my review was shit. As a newbie, it really made me not feel all that comfortable posting. Kind of felt like I was infringing on a good ole boy network or something. It was a few years later before I came back to try again. So I'm just sayin'. I didn't see anything in Dlr1421's post that put the lady in question down, he just stated that he wasn't into paying that kind of money for it. I have more than enough money to spend on the hobby, and to be honest I see very few providers in the Cincy area that I consider worth that. Maybe it wasn't your intention to come off that way, but he looks fairly new, and the more posters we get, the better. Let's not chase them off.[/QUOTE]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary. Some can only afford a Quarter-Pounder, while others think nothing about spending $60+ for a steak at a Ruby's Steakhouse. I think that many of the providers open themselves up to criticism and bottom feeders by not posting a rate for "their time. " I have a budget. I don't knowingly contact any woman outside of my budget. Just like I wouldn't ask for that steak at Ruby's for $40. Negotiating wastes time for both parties. My simple reply to the woman who did not post her rate in her ad, when the woman's reply about her rate is too high is always, "Thank you for your swift reply, but you are outside of my hobby budget. Have a nice day. " Some come back with a "Well, what is your budget?" That reply always makes me go "Hmmm". If I tell her and she accepts, I am always skeptical about the "value" I will get when a woman is so willing to negotiate. Will I get the same value from a lady who is willing to cut her $350 rate down almost 50% so quickly?

If you talk with any of the women you see, they will you privately tell you that the rate of hagglers and bottom feeders has increased since BP has changed their ad format. And these "gentlemen" are asking more and more about activities that they will get for the money. For most of the ladies these are both things that screams LEO and will generally get them ignored in the future.

Bottom line to this long post is, I am sorry that I came down too hard on the original poster.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3665562]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Only if you're white knighting her.

Every time you put up a post where you're saying a guy is wrong and the chick is right you're white knighting. Don't do it. You can review the chick, if you think she's worth 250 then say so, don't attack his to say so, just say so.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=Dlr1421;3663959]I passed because the face pic she sent me didn't really do anything for me. Different strokes for different folks. I was only trying to answer a question that someone asked. I thought that was what this forun was for?[/QUOTE]And that is exactly what the forum is for. I appreciate the intel because I don't want to waste any time pursuing a chick asking $250 if I'm not going to like the way she looks.

Got a great quote in a PM the other day:

[highlight][i]Far too many guys on here would fuck a pig, in a pigsty, and write a glowing, wonderful review.[/i][/highlight]

That is a true statement, and it's why we often wind up somewhere we don't want to be. I'm not saying Soccer Mom reflects that remark, but it's not a negative to say she's not your type, and there's no call for a bunch of finger-wagging over it.

From Nicole, Manda and Glockman. Merry Christmas to all the monger and providers in the Queen City from the City On The Bluff.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]
Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]Dude, she most likely doesn't remember you at all.

It's all good Bear. Like I said, you always came off as a good dude. The post just kind of brought back memories of my experience that made me leave the site for awhile. Not because my feelings are easily hurt, hell I've been married with children for 37+ years, I don't think I have any feelings left to hurt. More just thinking about trying to keep posters who are willing to share around. You do make valid points.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3665562]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary. Some can only afford a Quarter-Pounder, while others think nothing about spending $60+ for a steak at a Ruby's Steakhouse. I think that many of the providers open themselves up to criticism and bottom feeders by not posting a rate for "their time. " I have a budget. I don't knowingly contact any woman outside of my budget. Just like I wouldn't ask for that steak at Ruby's for $40. Negotiating wastes time for both parties. My simple reply to the woman who did not post her rate in her ad, when the woman's reply about her rate is too high is always, "Thank you for your swift reply, but you are outside of my hobby budget. Have a nice day. " Some come back with a "Well, what is your budget?" That reply always makes me go "Hmmm". If I tell her and she accepts, I am always skeptical about the "value" I will get when a woman is so willing to negotiate. Will I get the same value from a lady who is willing to cut her $350 rate down almost 50% so quickly?

If you talk with any of the women you see, they will you privately tell you that the rate of hagglers and bottom feeders has increased since BP has changed their ad format. And these "gentlemen" are asking more and more about activities that they will get for the money. For most of the ladies these are both things that screams LEO and will generally get them ignored in the future.

Bottom line to this long post is, I am sorry that I came down too hard on the original poster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3667086]It's all good Bear. Like I said, you always came off as a good dude. The post just kind of brought back memories of my experience that made me leave the site for awhile. Not because my feelings are easily hurt, hell I've been married with children for 37+ years, I don't think I have any feelings left to hurt. More just thinking about trying to keep posters who are willing to share around. You do make valid points.[/QUOTE]Not me. If she is asking it's because she is still hoping to do business.

I've been free to say what I think 'market value' or what my budget is and doubt she's going to give me 50% less service.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3672767]Saw these 2 on CL.

[URL]https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/crs/d/come-let-us-help-you-warm-up/6441523215.html[/URL]

Emailed and got quick responses,[b]but no reviews and no references[/b], and I am just not the TOFTT type unless I can get more info. They sent me 2 pics.

4 handed massage is a bucket list item that I've yet to fulfill.

[b]I directed them to the USAAC site. We'll see if they go there.[/b][/QUOTE]Perhaps I have been doing things wrong because I have only invited providers to advertise on USAAC once I know that their level of service matches the expectations of the members here. There has been enough riff raff that has found their way here, particularly since the changes made by BP, without extending invitations to unknown parties who are currently advertising on CL.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3672767]Saw these 2 on CL.

[URL]https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/crs/d/come-let-us-help-you-warm-up/6441523215.html[/URL]

Emailed and got quick responses, but no reviews and no references, and I am just not the TOFTT type unless I can get more info. They sent me 2 pics.

4 handed massage is a bucket list item that I've yet to fulfill.

I directed them to the USAAC site. We'll see if they go there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ceenote;3673385]Perhaps I have been doing things wrong because I have only invited providers to advertise on USAAC once I know that their level of service matches the expectations of the members here. There has been enough riff raff that has found their way here, particularly since the changes made by BP, without extending invitations to unknown parties who are currently advertising on CL.[/QUOTE]As much as I can sympathize with Ceenote with trying to keep the standard high on USAAC, it is also the revenue generating site that keeps this board free for us mongers. The advertisers pay to be on there, and those fees is what enables A2 and the gang to keep the lights on here.

It's a double edged sword and you have to take the bad with the good. Do your homework, report bad experiences, and together we can minimize the risk of a bad session.

[blue]We aren't charging the chicks on the USAAC at this time.

A2[/blue]