[QUOTE=WhiteRookDown;2900978]Plus, how many of us on here complain about a woman wanting $150 to bang her?[/QUOTE]I don't. 150 is a great price for FS with a great provider.
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[QUOTE=WhiteRookDown;2900978]Plus, how many of us on here complain about a woman wanting $150 to bang her?[/QUOTE]I don't. 150 is a great price for FS with a great provider.
[QUOTE=RonM;2899590]Pat you don't have to spend 500 dollars to see girls that provide these services. The girls / ladies I see (with the exception of one) aren't High End in the traditional mongering definition. They're a bit older than the young hot looking girls everyone seems to prefer. Greek isn't on my request list. Two will do Greek. Depending on their mood. Most will accommodate COF and CIM.
You're not Cheap. Paying 500 dollars is a lot to me too. Seeing providers that will do the above requests for half of 500 or less is smart mongering.[/QUOTE]
My point being: I have no time to spend to develop relationship in order to get to the COF / CIM / GREEK PSE stage with BP girls. I will repeat when I got what I want and expect.
If I want a massage and happier ending (HJ+groping, or BBBJ even FS), I would visit logan tantricas rather than go to spas in Chinatown areas multiple times in hope of getting MTs to do BBBJ or FS.I know for a fact that I can get promised happy ending there, but all else being equal, I'm likely to spend just a bit less (assuming multiple visits to find one MT of my taste), then a session at LT with younger MTs. I'd visit Sylvia if I can travel to burbs. This is NOT Ron's smart mongering since people can get FS with the amount of $ you spend at Logan or other MPs.
However, at $200 level, I just visit my ATF, her GFE with me is nice, but by nice I mean it really like GFE, I know her boundary and never going to push. Her tongue is so unique that it's worth my effort of restraining my desire of PSE. This is Ron's definition of smart mongering, which I agree. I'm very open to meet older providers, but they have to be like Sandra's Linda who pretty much promises good enough PSE from the get-go. If I have to do multiple sessions to warm them up, I end up spending just about $500 to get CIM / COF results if not more, and that's the best possible outcome.
If I just want a straight-up aim-to-please service, I'll use Sandra's girls, or the girls fro touring euro agencies, I can screw non-stop and save my small talk with them. These girls' services can be like a bad acting, but the experiences are most likely enjoyable. This can be Ron's definition of smart mongering for PSE. But in my experience the PSE part may depend more on the providers at the $300 or less level. I have my lists, but they all missed at least one element, either looks or permission of filming or the PSE vibe is not off-the-chart. There are quite a few younger independent providers at this level who offer CIM and seem to enjoy sex work from TER reviews. I did not go and take everyone for the team since my resources are limited.
$500 for a hot girl in her 30's or younger who enjoys sex work, does PSE, and be an exbitionist also for herself is like smoking the top-quality pot with high potency of THC, the experience of high is different than those you get when smoking cheaper pots multiple times. Sorry, this is a smart mongering for me, because I know $200 or $300 won't check off EVERYTHING that I'm looking for at the standard I want.
[QUOTE=OFCharlie;2899560]Porn star Eva Lovia is in town today through Friday. 1700 an hour. Enjoy if you can afford.
[URL]http://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/694244.htm?sf=5&pid=1&sid=5&loc=7[/URL][/QUOTE]I first came across this agency when I had an opportunity to see the #2 TER rated girl in the whole USA during one of my business trips a few years back. Then I was curious as to who the #1 girl was. At that time, the #1 rated girl was Brigitte Adair, TER 124853, who was represented by this agency. I saw one of their girls (porn star Audrey Bitoni) so that I can get on their client list. They have high end porn stars, but more importantly they have actual Playboy playmates from time to time. I missed one when I was out of town once. The Shannon twin were in Chicago a few months back, but I passed on them as I prefer more natural looking girls. One of my bucket list is to fuck an actual Playboy playmate. I know when that day comes, it's going to cost me an arm and a leg, but to be able to cross off my bucket list is priceless. Afterall, how many of you can say you have fucked a Playboy playmate. Plus, you can't take your $ with you to your grave anyway.
I am sure people feel differently, but that is how I look at it. You never know when you are going to go, so enjoy while you can. It's just $. I can always make more. I don't want to be on my dying bed and have regrets.
[QUOTE=Castlerae;2900438]She's hot, but even if she was offering no-holes-barred, anything-I-want-to-do sex, I'm not sure I could persuade myself to part with that much coin for an hour's worth of any woman's time. No doubt she'll find some sucker (s) willing to pay the fee for the bragging rights.[/QUOTE]My. 02 here is not to compare her with normal Asian providers we can find from BP or CL or agencies. They are apples and oranges, even I completely agree everyone else's assessment. To be fair, I'd compare Eva with her porn star peers: Does fucking her give guys the bragging right worth the money? My answer is HELL NO. Eva doesn't provide any special and unique value, especially considering her porn status.
Among all the Digital Playground contract actresses, she is not even close to the a-liners like Jesse Jane, Stoya, Kayden Kross, Riley Steele, or even Jenna Haze and Sasha Grey. Many solid porn stars ask between $600-$1500. Having my personal sex video and images with these a-liners may be worth $1500, but it's unlikely that I will go for it.
Kelly Klass, a new starlet who I don't think would never become the super a-liner, just visited Chicago recently. She only asks for $800. Our local Lola Luscious asks for $700.
To me, Eva is not worth $1700 given her porn status. Eva is no more popular than Kelly or Lola. Her price is just flat out unrealistic, I'm sure whether she is providing, Lola will also do at $700. Hobbyist should not pay $1700 for Eva not because of the obvious reasons that we can get the same GFE / PSE services by meeting Asian providers from the common venues.
Also in response to Of Charlie's note about Shannon twins, If I have $1700, I'd save my lunch money and then pay $2k to meet the identical Palmer Twins, they are coming to Chi-Town in June. At least I'm spending $1k per person for an unique MFF threesome http://ThePalmerTwins.com.
[QUOTE=CoolPatrick;2901094]My point being: I have no time to spend to develop relationship in order to get to the COF / CIM / GREEK PSE stage with BP girls. I will repeat when I got what I want and expect.
If I want a massage and happier ending (HJ+groping, or BBBJ even FS), I would visit logan tantricas rather than go to spas in Chinatown areas multiple times in hope of getting MTs to do BBBJ or FS.I know for a fact that I can get promised happy ending there, but all else being equal, I'm likely to spend just a bit less (assuming multiple visits to find one MT of my taste), then a session at LT with younger MTs. I'd visit Sylvia if I can travel to burbs. This is NOT Ron's smart mongering since people can get FS with the amount of $ you spend at Logan or other MPs.
However, at $200 level, I just visit my ATF, her GFE with me is nice, but by nice I mean it really like GFE, I know her boundary and never going to push. Her tongue is so unique that it's worth my effort of restraining my desire of PSE. This is Ron's definition of smart mongering, which I agree. I'm very open to meet older providers, but they have to be like Sandra's Linda who pretty much promises good enough PSE from the get-go. If I have to do multiple sessions to warm them up, I end up spending just about $500 to get CIM / COF results if not more, and that's the best possible outcome.
If I just want a straight-up aim-to-please service, I'll use Sandra's girls, or the girls fro touring euro agencies, I can screw non-stop and save my small talk with them. These girls' services can be like a bad acting, but the experiences are most likely enjoyable. This can be Ron's definition of smart mongering for PSE. But in my experience the PSE part may depend more on the providers at the $300 or less level. I have my lists, but they all missed at least one element, either looks or permission of filming or the PSE vibe is not off-the-chart. There are quite a few younger independent providers at this level who offer CIM and seem to enjoy sex work from TER reviews. I did not go and take everyone for the team since my resources are limited.
$500 for a hot girl in her 30's or younger who enjoys sex work, does PSE, and be an exbitionist also for herself is like smoking the top-quality pot with high potency of THC, the experience of high is different than those you get when smoking cheaper pots multiple times. Sorry, this is a smart mongering for me, because I know $200 or $300 won't check off EVERYTHING that I'm looking for at the standard I want.[/QUOTE]OK Pat. Point taken. I spend 200 or less to get what you get. My Bullpen charges me very reasonable prices and have very few restrictions. And I'm happy about that.
[QUOTE=CoolPatrick;2901161]My. 02 here is not to compare her with normal Asian providers we can find from BP or CL or agencies. They are apples and oranges, even I completely agree everyone else's assessment. To be fair, I'd compare Eva with her porn star peers: Does fucking her give guys the bragging right worth the money? My answer is HELL NO. Eva doesn't provide any special and unique value, especially considering her porn status.
Among all the Digital Playground contract actresses, she is not even close to the a-liners like Jesse Jane, Stoya, Kayden Kross, Riley Steele, or even Jenna Haze and Sasha Grey. Many solid porn stars ask between $600-$1500. Having my personal sex video and images with these a-liners may be worth $1500, but it's unlikely that I will go for it.
Kelly Klass, a new starlet who I don't think would never become the super a-liner, just visited Chicago recently. She only asks for $800. Our local Lola Luscious asks for $700.
To me, Eva is not worth $1700 given her porn status. Eva is no more popular than Kelly or Lola. Her price is just flat out unrealistic, I'm sure whether she is providing, Lola will also do at $700. Hobbyist should not pay $1700 for Eva not because of the obvious reasons that we can get the same GFE / PSE services by meeting Asian providers from the common venues.
Also in response to Of Charlie's note about Shannon twins, If I have $1700, I'd save my lunch money and then pay $2k to meet the identical Palmer Twins, they are coming to Chi-Town in June. At least I'm spending $1k per person for an unique MFF threesome http://ThePalmerTwins.com.[/QUOTE]Kelly Klass is not a new starlet. She has been in the porn business since 2009-2010. I follow her movies because I like her large labia.
Anyone have any 411 they can PM me on Courtney?
[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-redhead-back-in-town/35793578[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jadedone;2900912]I always told myself that if I had the coin I'd go for a round with Nina Hartley. But then I think that if the opportunity ever came up I just couldn't see myself parting with that much cash.[/QUOTE]One of my 'bucket list' items is giving myself a month in Thailand. After I wrote that comment, I did a quick check of air fares and found out for the price she's asking for an hour of her time, I could get myself to Thailand and have several hundred $ to spend finding out just how good Thai *ussy really is. Oh well, to each their own.
[QUOTE=Patchwork1;2901320]Kelly Klass is not a new starlet. She has been in the porn business since 2009-2010. I follow her movies because I like her large labia.[/QUOTE]If you love large labia then check out Chaturbate. Seems as though 80% of the females caming have great lips.
[QUOTE=Patchwork1;2901320]Kelly Klass is not a new starlet. She has been in the porn business since 2009-2010. I follow her movies because I like her large labia.[/QUOTE]Your are right, and my reference was to Jenna Haze etc. Kelly Klass being in the biz for 6 years and yet she is not as popular as Riley Reid or Jada Stevens who also being in the biz for more than 5 years. She doesn't have the stardom therefore she only charges 800 for GFE w / o promising CIM / COF.
Lola actually loves escorting more than shooting porn, as she has a great business mindset not to push the price too far up. In contrast, Eva doesn't have the stardom like Riley Reid and she may be as popular as Kelly at best. Therefore, her $1700 tag is just egomaniac. Well, but there are enough hotshots CEOs or politicians or whoever willingly paying the money to see her, then good for her.
[QUOTE=RonM;2901255]OK Pat. Point taken. I spend 200 or less to get what you get. My Bullpen charges me very reasonable prices and have very few restrictions. And I'm happy about that.[/QUOTE]NO. Are your girls as young as mid 30's, late 20's, or early 20's? Are they size 0 or 2?
I spent $160 at Logan Tantrica, you told me you can get 1 hr FS with the same money.
I spent $250 USD in Toronto to see an agency girl bringing back tons of images and videos of authentic PSE and we still keep in touch on Twitter. You told me you can find the same service with the same $ in town.
I spent $300 on a few either independent or agency euro girls, who hosts incall in downtown area, age range between late 20's and mid 30's, all have thin and toned body and provide GFE. You told me you can find the same kind of girl on Chicago BP.
I spent $500-600 for Kitten and Lola for authentic PSE. You told me you can find the same service while paying lot less here in Chicago; and paying more to see younger girls may not promise great service.
I spent $200 for up to 2 hours with my local ATF, tatted, late 20's, 5'4" 110 lbs. You told me great job.
Ron, I really get your standard and criteria. I hope I make crystal clear that I agree with you and I also am able to find what I want at the normal $200 level.
You are talking about oranges and how to pick good oranges, and I hope I show you that I know how to pick oranges (Thanks to your help over the years).
However, I am talking about apples here. I don't mind spending a bit more for younger prettier being more open-minded girls as long as the value of overall package worth the price tag. My criteria is the service has to be there.
My reason of sharing is to let others, like-minded or not, having a bit more information about apples, so that it may be helpful for learning to pick apples.
So, please, I have already asked you once before, stop saying you can get the same thing I paid the $ to get. You are not getting what I paid to get, unless your ATFs' appearance falls under the young, thin, and addicted-to-sex categories.
That being said, I believe your girls are awesome in their own ways. If your ATF would ever meet me, I have no doubt she will exceed my expectation (as the perfect orange).
But please stop educating me as if I was paying $750 for HJ at the Jack Shack. I know there are decent and affordable providers on BP.
[QUOTE=CoolPatrick;2902092]NO. Are your girls as young as mid 30's, late 20's, or early 20's? Are they size 0 or 2?
I spent $160 at Logan Tantrica, you told me you can get 1 hr FS with the same money.
I spent $250 USD in Toronto to see an agency girl bringing back tons of images and videos of authentic PSE and we still keep in touch on Twitter. You told me you can find the same service with the same $ in town.
I spent $300 on a few either independent or agency euro girls, who hosts incall in downtown area, age range between late 20's and mid 30's, all have thin and toned body and provide GFE. You told me you can find the same kind of girl on Chicago BP.
I spent $500-600 for Kitten and Lola for authentic PSE. You told me you can find the same service while paying lot less here in Chicago; and paying more to see younger girls may not promise great service.
I spent $200 for up to 2 hours with my local ATF, tatted, late 20's, 5'4" 110 lbs. You told me great job.
Ron, I really get your standard and criteria. I hope I make crystal clear that I agree with you and I also am able to find what I want at the normal $200 level.
You are talking about oranges and how to pick good oranges, and I hope I show you that I know how to pick oranges (Thanks to your help over the years).
However, I am talking about apples here. I don't mind spending a bit more for younger prettier being more open-minded girls as long as the value of overall package worth the price tag. My criteria is the service has to be there.
My reason of sharing is to let others, like-minded or not, having a bit more information about apples, so that it may be helpful for learning to pick apples.
So, please, I have already asked you once before, stop saying you can get the same thing I paid the $ to get. You are not getting what I paid to get, unless your ATFs' appearance falls under the young, thin, and addicted-to-sex categories.
That being said, I believe your girls are awesome in their own ways. If your ATF would ever meet me, I have no doubt she will exceed my expectation (as the perfect orange).
But please stop educating me as if I was paying $750 for HJ at the Jack Shack. I know there are decent and affordable providers on BP.[/QUOTE]Patrick, I agree with you. There is a difference between a good provider with great skills at a low price and an overall experience with looks, talent and some emotional connection to highlight the experience at a slightly higher price.
I also believe to tip higher than the "standard" to a provider I want to have a longer term relationship with. It's about developing the relationship and about believing that if we both get along and meet each others needs, both physically and emotionally (in a monger's sense) then it's worth the extra spend in the long run. The number of conquests vs the quality of each conquest is your apples and oranges.
[QUOTE=CoolPatrick;2902092]NO. Are your girls as young as mid 30's, late 20's, or early 20's? Are they size 0 or 2?
I spent $160 at Logan Tantrica, you told me you can get 1 hr FS with the same money.
I spent $250 USD in Toronto to see an agency girl bringing back tons of images and videos of authentic PSE and we still keep in touch on Twitter. You told me you can find the same service with the same $ in town.
I spent $300 on a few either independent or agency euro girls, who hosts incall in downtown area, age range between late 20's and mid 30's, all have thin and toned body and provide GFE. You told me you can find the same kind of girl on Chicago BP.
I spent $500-600 for Kitten and Lola for authentic PSE. You told me you can find the same service while paying lot less here in Chicago; and paying more to see younger girls may not promise great service.
I spent $200 for up to 2 hours with my local ATF, tatted, late 20's, 5'4" 110 lbs. You told me great job.
Ron, I really get your standard and criteria. I hope I make crystal clear that I agree with you and I also am able to find what I want at the normal $200 level.
You are talking about oranges and how to pick good oranges, and I hope I show you that I know how to pick oranges (Thanks to your help over the years).
However, I am talking about apples here. I don't mind spending a bit more for younger prettier being more open-minded girls as long as the value of overall package worth the price tag. My criteria is the service has to be there.
My reason of sharing is to let others, like-minded or not, having a bit more information about apples, so that it may be helpful for learning to pick apples.
So, please, I have already asked you once before, stop saying you can get the same thing I paid the $ to get. You are not getting what I paid to get, unless your ATFs' appearance falls under the young, thin, and addicted-to-sex categories.
That being said, I believe your girls are awesome in their own ways. If your ATF would ever meet me, I have no doubt she will exceed my expectation (as the perfect orange).
But please stop educating me as if I was paying $750 for HJ at the Jack Shack. I know there are decent and affordable providers on BP.[/QUOTE]You get what you pay for. I personally have zero problem spending more than I allegedly should to spend an hour or more with a hottie that will at least convincingly fake being really into it vs. $160 ish for some skank on BP using old pics or strategic belly fat hiding pics.
One of my favorites charges $700 an hour. She's worth it. Or was till she got knocked up (not into preggos). I honestly don't think I've had a good time with a cheap provider. They're either older, heavier, or druggie-er than their pictures or have way too many rules for me to enjoy myself. I don't work my ass off to have lame sex with ugly women.
[QUOTE=IdiotBoy;2902245]
One of my favorites charges $700 an hour. She's worth it. Or was till she got knocked up (not into preggos). I honestly don't think I've had a good time with a cheap provider. They're either older, heavier, or druggie-er than their pictures or have way too many rules for me to enjoy myself. I don't work my ass off to have lame sex with ugly women.[/QUOTE]Spend as you like, it's your money. But when you get into that high end level, theirs no guarantee it will be worth it. Your "discovery cost" to find one you really like could be into the many thousands. Just too much for most of us here.
I agree with what most guys are saying. All I'm saying is that at the 200 dollar or less pricing there are a few Gems at this level. Sure the providers at this level aren't runway super models. But they're not zombie ugly either. (with two exceptions) But they're very nice in attitude and services. If you're not so picky on looks or going after the young hotties, you can enjoy playing around without spending mega bucks. Spending a lot of money doesn't always equate to a super session.