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[QUOTE=MrPlumber;6774999]It's a tough lesson to learn
But I encourage you all. Never tip for services first. It's a one-way ticket to Disappointment Ville.[/QUOTE]In my experience, the standard procedure is negotiate, they wait while you grab the money and hand it over, then proceed to whatever was agreed. Do you just insist with them on paying after until they acquiesce instead of "No honey, money now" etc? Obviously that favors the client but has not been an option from what I've gathered.
Did nature get shutdown again? Closed.
Tried setting up an appointment at Green Sign, only to be told that they're closed due to trying to renew their license. Is this the case with everybody else? Does anyone have any worthwhile alternatives?
[QUOTE=QuikTurtle69;6775397]In my experience, the standard procedure is negotiate, they wait while you grab the money and hand it over, then proceed to whatever was agreed. Do you just insist with them on paying after until they acquiesce instead of "No honey, money now" etc? Obviously that favors the client but has not been an option from what I've gathered.[/QUOTE]If they are insistent on upfront donation, I just say, "OK just do a massage only. " If they remain insistent, I get up, get dressed and walk out. Again, always polite and nice about it. Then I don't return there as there are WAY too many other good options. I’ll ask for my house fee back and if they give it great. If they don’t, my loss. Moving on.
[QUOTE=RBFSyndrome;6773432]Is there any place like below?
-reasonable cost / tip.
-non-greedy ladies.
-Asian 20-40's.
-natural Ds (could swing Cs).
-good technique, tease and finish (HE only).
-not filthy.
Have a couple places that fit 90% of these needs but ladies just get greedy eventually and it's not the same anymore.
And please no bamboo or sh. Pretty crazy how much some of you guys tip tbh.[/QUOTE]Check out Massage 2018 on 921X Bolsa #215. Much younger the BW, and you can get a nekkid lady massage. Always ask to see the lineup. 20's thru 40's ladies.
Good luck and happy!
[QUOTE=QuikTurtle69;6775500]Tried setting up an appointment at Green Sign, only to be told that they're closed due to trying to renew their license. Is this the case with everybody else? Does anyone have any worthwhile alternatives?[/QUOTE]According to City of Orange business license records, their license runs from 2/1/2023 - 1/31/2024. * Actually just expired, yesterday. So, yeah, they probably are legimately trying to renew.
[QUOTE=Pineapples1;6773501]Just don't try to get a BJ from any of the new girls. They scammed me last time I went and I think MMS / PPS is in on it. Wanted 100 for a BJ, made me pay first, and she licked it twice and that was it.[/QUOTE]The way it used to be, late 90's / early 2000's, mostly korean massage parlors. I had been to a number of them. I don't recall any of them asking for money up front. Often, no mention of anything more than HJ / BJ / FS. Most didn't DFK, but some did for sure.
1st started out, later 90's, 2nd girl I had at Tokyo Accupressure, Korean girl, stunning looking, young and I was young, LOL. Got done, handed her 5 twenties, she put 4 in her bra and handed one back. Told me, 80 was the rate.
I mostly paid 100 after that time. It went to $120. Still, mostly no DFK, although there were some gems that would.
Almost always, no talk of money, never had one ask for more, although I always paid what I thought was going rate.
Today, seems like, most shops are Chinese run with Chinese ladies. Chinese seem to always ask for the amount and cash upfront. Nature / Believe and others are exactly that way. Take the money, put it away, come back with the kit.
So far, that has worked out well with no disappointments.
I think, Chinese probably have been burned by shoplifters and or short changers. Rotten customers have ruined it for us. That is how it goes, sometimes.
[QUOTE=OcAmper;6775988]1st started out, later 90's, 2nd girl I had at Tokyo Accupressure, Korean girl, stunning looking, young and I was young, LOL. Got done, handed her 5 twenties, she put 4 in her bra and handed one back. Told me, 80 was the rate.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a place out on Santa Monica Blvd, out near UCLA, around 1976, Marianne was her name. I gave her 15 for the BBBJ (always BB in those days). To both of our surprises I blew almost immediately, much faster than the last couple of times, and she felt sorry for me and gave me 5 back. I long for those days.
Lift Her Up.
[QUOTE=OcAmper;6775988]The way it used to be, late 90's / early 2000's, mostly korean massage parlors. I had been to a number of them. I don't recall any of them asking for money up front. Often, no mention of anything more than HJ / BJ / FS. Most didn't DFK, but some did for sure.
1st started out, later 90's, 2nd girl I had at Tokyo Accupressure, Korean girl, stunning looking, young and I was young, LOL. Got done, handed her 5 twenties, she put 4 in her bra and handed one back. Told me, 80 was the rate.
I mostly paid 100 after that time. It went to $120. Still, mostly no DFK, although there were some gems that would.
Almost always, no talk of money, never had one ask for more, although I always paid what I thought was going rate.
Today, seems like, most shops are Chinese run with Chinese ladies. Chinese seem to always ask for the amount and cash upfront. Nature / Believe and others are exactly that way. Take the money, put it away, come back with the kit.
So far, that has worked out well with no disappointments.
I think, Chinese probably have been burned by shoplifters and or short changers. Rotten customers have ruined it for us. That is how it goes, sometimes.[/QUOTE]At all the Chinese and Latina shops, I just leave the standard donation on a counter or shelf and they either leave it until the end of the session, or take it without saying anything and come back. This has eliminated any negotiation for me and nobody has ever asked for more. It's a system that has worked out well every time.
Checked out this place T&M and had this cute provider named "Kiki". Nice face with some amazing 34 Cs. Real too. Fair skin with a nice shaved pussy, just a little patch on top. Laid face down on the bed. Started with a nice soft touch massage with some lotion. Neck, shoulders, back, ass, in between the legs than back to the ass. On the flip and jr was on the rise. Didn't wait long before she was playing with jr. Nice hand job then got into little BBBJ, but put on the cover fast. Still felt awesome though. Good suction. Told her to undress and we got into some 69. That shaved pussy was nice and sweet. She moved up in to some RCG as I watched from behind. Than she turned around with me still inside her. Started playing with those nice see cups. Firm but soft. She pumped up and down with her tits in my hands. Was ready to pop, so I told her I wanted to finish in Doggie. Got into it, as I cupped her tits from behind. Did her Doggie slow so I could watch jr going in and out as her pussy lips were stuck around jr as I pulled back out. Was ready to blow so I pulled out and ripped the cover off, and blew on her ass and back. Blew all over that. Haha! Showered and cleaned up. She was friendly too. Would definitely repeat.
[QUOTE=OcAmper;6775988]The way it used to be, late 90's / early 2000's, mostly korean massage parlors. I had been to a number of them. I don't recall any of them asking for money up front. Often, no mention of anything more than HJ / BJ / FS. Most didn't DFK, but some did for sure.
1st started out, later 90's, 2nd girl I had at Tokyo Accupressure, Korean girl, stunning looking, young and I was young, LOL. Got done, handed her 5 twenties, she put 4 in her bra and handed one back. Told me, 80 was the rate.
I mostly paid 100 after that time. It went to $120. Still, mostly no DFK, although there were some gems that would.
Almost always, no talk of money, never had one ask for more, although I always paid what I thought was going rate.
Today, seems like, most shops are Chinese run with Chinese ladies. Chinese seem to always ask for the amount and cash upfront. Nature / Believe and others are exactly that way. Take the money, put it away, come back with the kit.
So far, that has worked out well with no disappointments.
I think, Chinese probably have been burned by shoplifters and or short changers. Rotten customers have ruined it for us. That is how it goes, sometimes.[/QUOTE]No doubt they have been robbed before, by someone receiving services and not paying anything or not nearly enough. Which leads to the flip side of my 'walk if they don't accept my donation afterward' rule. If they DO provide services and not require me to lay out cash first, then after we're done I am generous and grateful. Make it known who and how you are in that moment and you'll be remembered and trusted. Of course there will be some who still grumble about it. But I assure you, return and behave the same kind, generouse mavver and you'll be appreciated and treated well.
[QUOTE=TikkTokk;6776319]Checked out this place T&M and had this cute provider named "Kiki". Nice face with some amazing 34 Cs. Real too. Fair skin with a nice shaved pussy, just a little patch on top. Laid face down on the bed. Started with a nice soft touch massage with some lotion. Neck, shoulders, back, ass, in between the legs than back to the ass. On the flip and jr was on the rise. Didn't wait long before she was playing with jr. Nice hand job then got into little BBBJ, but put on the cover fast. Still felt awesome though. Good suction. Told her to undress and we got into some 69. That shaved pussy was nice and sweet. She moved up in to some RCG as I watched from behind. Than she turned around with me still inside her. Started playing with those nice see cups. Firm but soft. She pumped up and down with her tits in my hands. Was ready to pop, so I told her I wanted to finish in Doggie. Got into it, as I cupped her tits from behind. Did her Doggie slow so I could watch jr going in and out as her pussy lips were stuck around jr as I pulled back out. Was ready to blow so I pulled out and ripped the cover off, and blew on her ass and back. Blew all over that. Haha! Showered and cleaned up. She was friendly too. Would definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]What's T &M. Location please.
Checked out the spot.
[URL]https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/bodyrubs/santa-ana-tustin-orange/23129191.html[/URL]
Met Gigi and Lola. Slender asian girls. Late 30's.
Gigi led me in to the room with a door. Told me to wash hands. So I did. Came back and I undressed. My cock was already hard because Gigi had this really kinky smile when I took my clothes off. Then the rest is history. Good session. Total $160.
Will be back again It's in SA.
[QUOTE=RBFSyndrome;6773432]Is there any place like below?
-reasonable cost / tip.
-non-greedy ladies.
-Asian 20-40's.
-natural Ds (could swing Cs).
-good technique, tease and finish (HE only).
-not filthy.
Have a couple places that fit 90% of these needs but ladies just get greedy eventually and it's not the same anymore.
And please no bamboo or sh. Pretty crazy how much some of you guys tip tbh.[/QUOTE]Hit up angel massage in Santa Ana. Next to El pollo loco. 17th street. Call first for appointment on Apple Maps.
$40 for half hour and then tip them at least 80 to $120. You won't regret it.
[QUOTE=TikkTokk;6776319]Checked out this place T&M and had this cute provider named "Kiki". Nice face with some amazing 34 Cs. Real too. Fair skin with a nice shaved pussy, just a little patch on top. Laid face down on the bed. Started with a nice soft touch massage with some lotion. Neck, shoulders, back, ass, in between the legs than back to the ass. On the flip and jr was on the rise. Didn't wait long before she was playing with jr. Nice hand job then got into little BBBJ, but put on the cover fast. Still felt awesome though. Good suction. Told her to undress and we got into some 69. That shaved pussy was nice and sweet. She moved up in to some RCG as I watched from behind. Than she turned around with me still inside her. Started playing with those nice see cups. Firm but soft. She pumped up and down with her tits in my hands. Was ready to pop, so I told her I wanted to finish in Doggie. Got into it, as I cupped her tits from behind. Did her Doggie slow so I could watch jr going in and out as her pussy lips were stuck around jr as I pulled back out. Was ready to blow so I pulled out and ripped the cover off, and blew on her ass and back. Blew all over that. Haha! Showered and cleaned up. She was friendly too. Would definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]What's T&M?