Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Broadjumper]How in the F**K would you know? I mean seriously, I doubt you've taken the time to learn each of the girl's REAL background. Maybe they're not being trafficked, but you don't know. But face it, the vast majority of mongers couldn't give a rat's behind about the provider's personal circumstances, they just wanna get off. For all the self-righteous posturing I see in these forums, the truth is that most interactions reduce the provider to little more than "two tits, a hole and a heartbeat."

Trafficking is a problem of epic proportions around the world and it exists everywhere, even in the US. And while it's obvious that many of the girls on the street, on the net, Craigslist, Backpage, etc., are women who've elected to "participate" in the life, just as many have been pimped out or otherwise forced into selling themselves. I really doubt most men will ever understand what that's like from the girl's perspective. But do we really care?[/QUOTE]

I'd second on what OldBill said.

Of the "clubs" that I've heard about (never ventured into) where trafficking occurs, most of us "average mongers" with regular 9-5 jobs & SO would never even get an "invite". They are not advertising on ANY forum, C-list, BP, C-Vibe, or anywhere close to where we have our resources.

The ones I personally know about are south of the border type places where the girls are there to pay off smuggling fees (for themselves and/or members of their family), not many are there by choice. Yes, they do exist. No, I don't partake nor condone.

KAMP fall into several catagories: one is the "college girls" here on student visa or visitor visa. They're here for a short stay, say 6 months or so, make some quick $$$ then get the hell out of town. No one back home would ever be the wiser. I've met several of these types. All have been very sweet, they are up front with why they're here and when they're returning home. I met one who was half Korean and half Russian, probably the prettiest by far IMHO for SoCal. She told me she was engaged to her boyfriend back in Korea, and was getting married as soon as she returned to her homeland. I had no reason to doubt anything she told me. I've done business with the Papasan for many years. I'd never saw her again, and believe me I kept asking! To this day, I still inquire if she ever returned to the states.

Type two: the "bar fly" girls, professionals, been in the industry for many years, started out testing the life style, then later found it too easy and got use to the work. Beats waitressing, folding diapers, or flipping burgers. Met many, many of these types too. They're the ones you read about here on the forum with mongers inquiring where's "fill in the name". Some of these ladies will work the Korean bar circuits, getting old Korean business men drunk on $300 bottles of scotch and what-not. Take out's available from what I was told. Some just stay with the bar circuit and never work the AMP circuit.

Are any of these ladies there against their will? Maybe. But most that I've come across are older (more than mid- 20's) and I'm sure they have choices. But they choose to stay for the easy money.

OldBill covered the Chinese ladies.

Viet ladies: I haven't figured out yet. Someone? Anyone?

[QUOTE=Jon Jones]A tip I got from someone in the industry a few years ago...

If all the girls show up for work in a van, there's a good chance they're trafficed.

If they complain about the lease on their new Lexus, chances are they are not. (And the great majority in OC fall into the second category. They're in the trade because the money is good.)[/QUOTE]

I must agree... but it doesn't have to be a high value car. I have talked to a few girls. They were here on a student visa, were here to work for a short time, then return home. They talked about having to buy a car to commute from home to work. It stands to reason that if they were "controlled", thier handler wouldn't allow them the freedom of movement (escape) that having thier own car would give to them, nor the money to buy a car in the first place.

[QUOTE=OldBill]Allegations of human trafficking are too often used by LE to justify busts.....If even one in a hundred busts showed human trafficking, we'd here about it in the news.

To generalize about the asians working in AMP's, AAMP's, CAMP's, KAMP's, etc. that you see on Craiglist, etc. Almost all of those opt for that kind of work to make quick money. [/QUOTE]Too often? C'mon, the authorities can make all kinds of accusations in the news, but you think they needed to use this to "justify" a bust of a massage parlour? Get real, LE looks at the trade as nuisance and as long as it flies under the radar, they ignore it. But when it grows noticable in conspicuious places and they get enough complaints, this is what happens. I won't be surprised if the "Animal Clinic is next.

And as far as hearing about it in the news, that ain't necessarily so. A bust is great for a story, but rarely will the media follow up on a case that could take months or years to prosecute if a deal isn't in the first place, even if they were trafficked, it could be nearly impossible to determine how they got here.

I estimated that perhap only 20% of the providers working in AAMPs, AMPs, etc., are doing so against their will, so I agree that most do so out of a desire to make "easy" money. But the gist of what I initially wrote was to suggest that the average monger doesn't have a relationship with a provider, and doesn't want it. I was trying to state that there are "victims" in this "hobby" whether we want to admit it or not and most mongers don't care. We tend to rationalize our behavior to avoid any guilt, etc.

[QUOTE=Quality Junk]I'd second on what OldBill said.

Of the "clubs" that I've heard about (never ventured into) where trafficking occurs, most of us "average mongers" with regular 9-5 jobs & SO would never even get an "invite". They are not advertising on ANY forum, C-list, BP, C-Vibe, or anywhere close to where we have our resources.

The ones I personally know about are south of the border type places where the girls are there to pay off smuggling fees (for themselves and/or members of their family), not many are there by choice. Yes, they do exist. No, I don't partake nor condone.

KAMP fall into several catagories: one is the "college girls" here on student visa or visitor visa. They're here for a short stay, say 6 months or so, make some quick $$$ then get the hell out of town. No one back home would ever be the wiser. I've met several of these types. All have been very sweet, they are up front with why they're here and when they're returning home. I met one who was half Korean and half Russian, probably the prettiest by far IMHO for SoCal. She told me she was engaged to her boyfriend back in Korea, and was getting married as soon as she returned to her homeland. I had no reason to doubt anything she told me. I've done business with the Papasan for many years. I'd never saw her again, and believe me I kept asking! To this day, I still inquire if she ever returned to the states.

Type two: the "bar fly" girls, professionals, been in the industry for many years, started out testing the life style, then later found it too easy and got use to the work. Beats waitressing, folding diapers, or flipping burgers. Met many, many of these types too. They're the ones you read about here on the forum with mongers inquiring where's "fill in the name". Some of these ladies will work the Korean bar circuits, getting old Korean business men drunk on $300 bottles of scotch and what-not. Take out's available from what I was told. Some just stay with the bar circuit and never work the AMP circuit.

Are any of these ladies there against their will? Maybe. But most that I've come across are older (more than mid- 20's) and I'm sure they have choices. But they choose to stay for the easy money.

OldBill covered the Chinese ladies.

Viet ladies: I haven't figured out yet. Someone? Anyone?[/QUOTE]The AMP that got busted earlier this week, the one with Viet girls, has one girl in particular that I know personally. She is definitely in it because it's quick, relatively easy money. She's also a student, so that's how she pays her tuition and she also helps out her family here. She has a modest car, not a high end luxury sedan. Another girl I personally know, also Viet, had worked at another AMP and she did it for 1 year. She's also a student at an OC community college and saved a crapload of $$$$$. She even talked to me about using some of the money for a down payment on a house. I've met a few that were supposedly here on Visas and had to go back home. Those didn't seem "forced" into the work, but I couldn't really tell.

I used to know of a Korean AAMP in Irvine back in 2004 or '05 that had the most gorgeous asian girl I'd ever had as a provider. She was here for a limited time and the MMS would always tell me she woud bring in someone better, but she never could. That place would bring new drop dead gorgeous girls every 10 days. Once they left, you would never hear of see them ever again.

So, the girls got arrested, what will the law do to them. Plea bargain or confess to their crimes for reduce sentences in jail or prison. The "pimp" gets the felony charge, does the girls get the misdemeanor too. Girls on student visa might probably get deport back to their country.

Just curious.

sorry guys no reports from me for a while. Money is tight so I need to pay the bills first then fun. Lately not much left for fun. I have been reading though and like many of you I have talked to a lot of girls over the years and most were here for a short time. I do remember 1 who used to fly in from San Jose every couple of weeks because the money was so good. She had a kid and would come here for 5 days and make enough to not work up in San Jose. Lost track of her though. She was full service and a real knockout.

[QUOTE=Mokoboy]The economy has completely ruined my fun. I might have to finally meet $30 Julie. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. How is she? Age/look wise?

It is those ones with the young cuties that rotate in and out which would make me think of traffickers and the girls move from location to location and city to city to bring high dollars as fresh meat. Because it signals organization.

[QUOTE=Dashady1]
I used to know of a Korean AAMP in Irvine back in 2004 or '05 that had the most gorgeous asian girl I'd ever had as a provider. She was here for a limited time and the MMS would always tell me she woud bring in someone better, but she never could. That place would bring new drop dead gorgeous girls every 10 days. Once they left, you would never hear of see them ever again.[/QUOTE]

Hey OC folks, I live up in the Bay Area and am more active on a board up there (RB) but check this board occasionally when I travel. I was down in Santa Ana for a couple days on business a few weeks ago, so I thought I should file a brief report.

I didn't really do my due diligence on here before my trip, but I read a few pages of posts. Entertaining, but most of the info was oblique enough that I couldn't decipher many specifics. I thought of posting a question on here, but typically the "hey, just got to your area, please tell me what the best AMP is and how to get there! " posts aren't very welcome.

I browsed CL and rolled the dice in the early afternoon of a weekday and went to Life Day Spa on N. Tustin. I drew a modestly dressed MILF, although the ILF part of that wasn't really operable. Oh well, I thought, maybe the massage will be ok. And it was actually quite good and there was enough teasing involved that I thought there was a 50/50 shot for a HE. But I was wrong. Maybe this is the kind of place that rewards repeat visits, but I don't care to ever find out.

Several hours later I was done with my project and thought I'd try again. This time I thought I'd improve my odds a bit and opted for a place that advertises on the Adult side of CL. Its adress is listed on the ad, but in the interest of discretion I'll just say that it's on a street that runs perpendicular to N. Tustine and parallel to Chapman. I called ahead to make sure someone was available and then parked around the corner and went in.

As soon as I got into the room I thought of one of the posts on here that I had read earlier in the day.- the massage table was pushed up against the wall rather than in the middle of the room. That's usually a sign of something (though the opposite isn't always true, at least not up here in the SF area). I took a quick shower and settled in.

My RA was a late-30's/early-40's Korean with a fairly slender figure, a GND face, and large bolt-ons. She was attired in a slinky short dress. Also a sign of something. It was a much more satisfying experience than I'd had at the Life Day Spa. I doubt I would repeat on a return visit to OC, but it's good to know where at least one reliable place is in case I can't crack the code on here.

Cheers

Julie's got her own thread.

Known for her attitude and rules.

I think the economy has to get much worse before I'd venture there.

[QUOTE=Inboundhot]LOL. How is she? Age/look wise?[/QUOTE]

I used to AMP a lot more in Colorado and got to know many of the ladies quite well. They would travel throughout the country for several months out of the year and definitely enjoyed the "fruits" of their labor. Korean are by nature very entreprenurial and these ladies are no exception. They get to visit the US and make more money than they could ever make at home. They have expensive taste in clothes/jewelry/gambling/soju etc plus they want their families to see them doing well.

They are able to visit their families at least once a year and travel freely. The owners of the AMPs must have some kind of connection because it seems that the girls will go from CA/TX/NY/CO etc. After awhile they will find the place they like and settle down or return to see the selection of husbands that are available at home. They have a nice savings account and theri husband has a very talented wife! (they don't find that out 'til later)

Of course this is the general rule and I know there are exceptions that need to be shut down. However, there is a much greater level of gang and forced prostitution in their homeland.

Just my.02.

[QUOTE=OldBill]It is those ones with the young cuties that rotate in and out which would make me think of traffickers and the girls move from location to location and city to city to bring high dollars as fresh meat. Because it signals organization.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Broadjumper]My main point once again, is that the average monger doesn't care about the personal circumstances, why or how they got here, they just wanna get off and for as little as possible.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea what the average monger cares about and I doubt you do either. Perhaps you could give us some insight on how you reached your conclusion?

I would never patronize a place that used trafficed girls and my bet is that I'm not the only one on this board that feels that way.

Was near LFBC so I took a visit. Was trying to ger Shelly but was busy. Cindy came out to tale to mama. She was happy to see me, so I took her. I have seen her before. She did a good massage this time. It made her sweat as little, I asked if she was ok and she said she was trying to lose some weight. I told her shes perfect. Her tits and nice and big for her size. Shes not young but not old either. She does have really soft skin. She had on this tiny g-sting that was so sexy. I got her to sit on my face and she went kinda crazy. I think she bust a nut 2 times on me. She was just hot and all smiles. I got her to slip and slide on my cock till I came. She liked that too. Its safe and fun.

[QUOTE=Jon Jones]I have no idea what the average monger cares about and I doubt you do either. Perhaps you could give us some insight on how you reached your conclusion?

I would never patronize a place that used trafficed girls and my bet is that I'm not the only one on this board that feels that way.[/QUOTE]

Do they have special sticker on the front window that that says"We only use non-trafficked girls here"

[QUOTE=Cash Value]Was near LFBC so I took a visit. Was trying to ger Shelly but was busy. Cindy came out to tale to mama. She was happy to see me, so I took her. I have seen her before. She did a good massage this time. It made her sweat as little, I asked if she was ok and she said she was trying to lose some weight. I told her shes perfect. Her tits and nice and big for her size. Shes not young but not old either. She does have really soft skin. She had on this tiny g-sting that was so sexy. I got her to sit on my face and she went kinda crazy. I think she bust a nut 2 times on me. She was just hot and all smiles. I got her to slip and slide on my cock till I came. She liked that too. Its safe and fun.[/QUOTE]Just a note of thanks!! I always appreciate your clear and accurate reports!