Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Magical Touch]

You have no reason to be unhappy. If you didn't like the service then guys, AGAIN talk to management right there and don't wait until you leave or write here on this board. We do our best to help you guys. What you said never happened. Again if you guys are unhappy in any way then let management know right there![/QUOTE]


The problem is that it just kills the mood. So we have our session cut short, and we come to you to complain. What are you going to do, force the girl to come back in and give the full time? By that point we already see that the girl isn't into it, so the experience is no longer pleasant for us.

[QUOTE=Sashimi]And over the years I have always wondered what was up with Sleazebum's continued and consistant rants against frequenting PWC establishments. The only reason I could come up with is that he may have once been an innocent victim of PWC justice.[/QUOTE]

I think it is completely understandable. MT is the exception in PWC, not the rule. Look at the places that have been raided, some have been raided like a dozen times, others shut down after being raided a few times. HWC shut down after a few raids. Kinja is shut down. Sakura is still open, uses another name now, but seems to be raided regularly. Soo Goung has been raided and changed names. YST has been raided a few times and changed names a few times. A Plus was raided. Eva has been raided and was shut down for awhile. Sleazebum doesn't want to roll those dice, and I can't blame him.

I went there a long time ago, so I can't say if it has gotten better. I sometimes give a place a second chance. Of those times: TS was mechanical and Massage was always short(like 15 to 20 mins.). The ONLY thing good was a better than standard finish. But after many raids(at other places), I will not venture into PWC. No way, no how. The bible belt has too much influence in this area.

Lovejugs

YST rings a bell.if I recall,Kinja going out of business was related to the poor condition of its facility?place was always closed when I went there.

I agree to try and be more friendly to you guys on this board. After all the purpose of this is to create a report that benefits all of us. Thanks guys for understanding.

About "talking to management" at the time. I can't say exactly what will happen except that we will do our best to handle each one of you and your concerns on a "case by case" basis. Sorry that I can't make blanket statements regarding this.

Even though PWC is like it is right now I want you guys to still feel comfortable and relax when and if you come over. Thanks guys for keeping us busy; even in times like this.

OK, now that I know WHERE MT is, I will NOT TOFTT.

As a out of towner - I appreciate you all posting, so I can know which places are hot, and alternatively where the heat is on, so to speak.

I can post as to the first -but locals know best on the second

[QUOTE=Meetmehalfway6]First time poster. Went to Papaya this morning for a little relaxation. After giving mamasan the standard for a half hour, good looking older woman came in for my massage. She wasn't too talkative, didn't get a name. Gave her a standard Nova tip ($20, right?) prior to her beginning. TS is not in service, so that was out of the question. No lotion, no roaming, no nothing. After the flip I expected the fun to begin. Nothing. She kept commenting how the half hour was over after 20 minutes. I told her I didn't think so. After the 30 minutes really ended and she made no attempt at a finish, I left. What gives?[/QUOTE]I think you answered your own question there.

You might want to try to RTFF a bit.

[QUOTE=Sleazebum]...is exactly right. I still wonder how MT stays open when all the others have been raided and caused untold grief to the guys trapped inside at the time.

Still too dangerous for me anyway but everyone can pick their own peril.

JJ[/QUOTE]If MT was afraid of suffering a fate similar to that of other PWC establishments, I don't think its proprietor would be posting here, and the few other boards on which posts appear under that name. (And watching one of the loudmouths on a NYC-area centric board go after it had its moments.)

The passing thought first:

If MT and other places truly want to know early and often whether the clientel is happy with their services, then the mammasan needs to be the last person to see a client before he leaves. This was the practice at Green in DC and is the practice in a couple of places across NoVA. There are few places (I can think of only one at the present) where the lack of mammasan was not an issue. Rather than MT's proprieter telling us to ask for the management if we are not happy, a more proactive approach would offer opportunistic praise as well as constructive criticism. Having to ask for the mammasan after receiving poor service is the last thing on my mind and unless I feel especially empathetic to the establishment, I probably won't bother to ask for the management. In short, proactive approach would give good feedback on both sides of the coin.

Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD

Thanks, MT. Note Guitarman1's post carefully. Some guys get off on the looks of the girl, and other guys (like me) get off on the mood. As soon as the girl starts upselling, the mood is completely ruined for me. If the girl is really good, I will tip more without being asked. If the girl asks for more, nicely, AFTER the session, I may give it -- if the service was good. If the girl starts negotiating right at the beginning, that wrecks everything. If you go to a restaurant for a nice dinner, do you want the waiter to ask about the tip BEFORE taking your order? Would that affect the enjoyment of your dinner?

I'm sure that some of the girls do the upsell in advance because they worry that the guy will be cheap. Maybe they've been burned before. I'm sorry about that, but that's not my fault so don't penalize me for it. That's just one of the risks of being in a service-oriented business. Some customers will be jerks.

I appreciate your willingness to talk, but I'm not going to talk to the mamasan about anything, ever. I just don't have the time and I don't need the headache. If the girl is bad, I'm just going to go somewhere else the next time. So far that's been a good strategy. I switch places maybe once a year.

[QUOTE=Magical Touch]I agree to try and be more friendly to you guys on this board. After all the purpose of this is to create a report that benefits all of us. Thanks guys for understanding.

About "talking to management" at the time. I can't say exactly what will happen except that we will do our best to handle each one of you and your concerns on a "case by case" basis. Sorry that I can't make blanket statements regarding this.

Even though PWC is like it is right now I want you guys to still feel comfortable and relax when and if you come over. Thanks guys for keeping us busy; even in times like this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Max Beelyun]
I'm sure that some of the girls do the upsell in advance because they worry that the guy will be cheap. Maybe they've been burned before. I'm sorry about that, but that's not my fault so don't penalize me for it. .[/QUOTE]


Actually by requiring the tip 1st she is protecting HER interest in the service, I perfer to tip after but have no problem with a girl asking me for the tip 1st if we have NOT seen each other before. Trust is to be earned, not given freely, and as a hobbiest/monger you should know we have some shady guys in the hobby who have not tipped or under tipped. Why should SHE be penalized for it.

Outside of AMPs, SW, Escorts, Strippers, what ever YOU PAY 1ST, none of them provide their services and collect after. Sometimes you get burned giving an Escort or SW their fee 1st and get none or little of the expected service. But that is the risk WE the hobbiest take, why do people continue to think it is ok for the AMP girl to assume all the risk?

After your 1st visit, talk to your provider say, "Hey, I am not going to cheat you, I like you and will take care of you, but I do not like stopping in the middle of the experience to do business" most of them will understand and just ask that you be an honest guy and really take care of them.

Remember you are not "entitled" to anything in that room but a massage, anything else that happens is up to the girl and it is our responsibility to make them happy to provide it. I suggest with a few exceptions that if you receive bad service the hobbiest is partly or mostly to blame, he did something wrong no matter how small a thing to change the girls mood/attitude. She does not have to do anything but give you a massage and that is it, some of us need to remember that, you have to work the girl to get the extras you want. That is how it was back in the day when I started, too many guys these days do not want to put forth the effort and want everything automatically delivered.

Why do you think YMMV always applies to this hobby? Because on any given day any given girl may or may not provide the service you want. It is YOUR game that determines the outcome. If you on it, you will be happy. If you are not, do not blame the girl.

/End Rant.
BB

It seems like I've gotten better service when I leave the tip on the table.

The gorls seem to be more relaxed and friendly while they work.

Jus sayin

This has been a great discussion, and I'm not joking about that either. But now, back to the reviews/reports my fellow mongers........ pls

BigTigg

To each is own. Leave the money on the table in plain view under your cell phone and keys.. If she can't get the hint, then she is too stupid to get you off. To me I see AMPS different then I do an escort or SW. When you go to an AMP you're going for the sensual service. When you go to a SW or an escort you're just looking to bust a nut. I don't want to sound racist, but the asian will work work harder to get that nicer tip then most escorts.

[QUOTE=Jim Rob]To me I see AMPS different then I do an escort or SW. When you go to an AMP you're going for the sensual service. When you go to a SW or an escort you're just looking to bust a nut. [/QUOTE]

I agree, a FS AMP is generally always better then a SW, although many here have sampled some gems (SW and Escorts), but the service while maybe better at an AMP, it is basically the same service. As such providers who require payment up front are not in the wrong.

Once you have an established client/provider trust, you should and can discuss your options and agree when business will be conducted.

For those suggesting leaving the tip out 1st, this is fine, I have no problem with it, but it can cause you to TOFTT when you do not mean to. Escorts usually instruct the client to put the tip in a certain place on arrival, so she does not have to "ask for it". If you do this at an AMP on a 1st time visit with a girl who you do not yet know what service she is going to agree to, you may lose that tip. But it is considered a show of faith and is usually rewarded. I too sometimes use this method if I feel uneasy about it when she comes to the room, I tell her, "Some or all of this is for you, if I recieve great service it will all be yours, if the service does not quite meet my expectations I may take some back". It serves as an incentive for them to put forth their best effort.

Long time mongers I offer a parting thought, if you disagree thats fine, I won't argue my point.

WE, yes WE have at least partial responsibility for the new, sometimes "younger" mongers in the game who mistreat, under tip, or leave no tip for the girls. We have to take extra care of them by treating them well and with respect and lastly providing a fare to generous tip. Our efforts should include our desire to make up for any bad experiences they have had with other people. BECAUSE we share information on this site and others that have increased the number of people who find our spots, those guys we do not really know their temperment or how they will tip or treat the girls. Guys who without sites like this and others or intel we provide may not have found our spots and done a disservice to the hobby. Since we freely share the information, with little or no regard to how someone may use it to soil the hobby, we bear responsibility for it.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Take care
BB