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CJ your street walker pics in the Philadelphia Street walker forum are the best. The natural look portrayed in the pics is classic. Reminds me of my days on Court St in J-ville. Semper Fi.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3617027]Nikki-Octagon-4, is this what they mean when they say, "Make love to the camera?
Great work Maestro.
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/escort-shot-client-head-bad-oral-sex-police-article-1.3621657[/URL]
Better brush up on it guys or else.
[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4883674/prostitute-21-shoots-client-in-the-head-twice-because-he-was-giving-bad-oral-sex-before-stealing-9000-from-him/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Hooter12;3617687]Better brush up on it guys or else.
[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4883674/prostitute-21-shoots-client-in-the-head-twice-because-he-was-giving-bad-oral-sex-before-stealing-9000-from-him/[/URL][/QUOTE]As a defense attorney "getting her off" would take on new meanings. 😳.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3598784]Sweetiepie, you should be asking for references and screening, because eventually, if you don't, one of two things will happen:
[B]1. Best case. You'll get hooked by Uncle LEO. I understand downtown incarceration is pretty organized.[/B]
[B]2. Worst case. You're going to meet a nutcase that's dangerous. I know a couple of girls that this has happened to, especially on outcall.[/B]
Not lecturing. It's your business. Be careful.[/QUOTE]I've been in the hobby for a couple years, got a couple friends from the now closed My Room in Reading, one has moved away and the other has issues with parole violations, found another from a friend and she's cleaned up at the CAT house and has gotten out of the biz. None of the these Ladies are available for references. How do I proceed to start seeing the better Ladies, I don't like the street urchins. Also, I myself am in a position where if I got busted I could potentially lose my job so safety is a big issue for me too. Set up dinner or lunch and provide documentation that I'm not LE? I'm harmless as a fly, but how does one prove they aren't psycho, I am in my 60's with a clean record. Your advice would be much appreciated and if any providers see this please feel to contribute! Many thanks!
In my limited experience that a lot of providers are afraid of cum! I'm lost on this one, it's like a mechanic that is obsessed about clean hands or a plumber that that can't handle that at times things get shitty. Your jerking off on their chest and they have their face covered because GOD forbid an errant wad of cum might splatter upon the precious face. There are two kinds of fun. The Lady who relishes a hot load and treats it like caviar and the ones that think a drop of cum will make them melt into non existence. Everything in the middle is meh! I had a provider that would spit while bitching about how she hated the taste (I need to eat more Pineapple), I asked her if she drinks milk. Of course she does so it now goes to "you'll drink a cows bodily fluids but mine are off limits" and guess what! It worked! She is a Master Cum Swallower now,(MCS) when she's not in jail. Has anger issues, fortunately not with me! Late night, thought I'd post. Peace to my Brothers and Sisters! JJ.
[QUOTE=JimJaimes;3619384]I've been in the hobby for a couple years, got a couple friends from the now closed My Room in Reading, one has moved away and the other has issues with parole violations, found another from a friend and she's cleaned up at the CAT house and has gotten out of the biz. None of the these Ladies are available for references. How do I proceed to start seeing the better Ladies, I don't like the street urchins. Also, I myself am in a position where if I got busted I could potentially lose my job so safety is a big issue for me too. Set up dinner or lunch and provide documentation that I'm not LE? I'm harmless as a fly, but how does one prove they aren't psycho, I am in my 60's with a clean record. Your advice would be much appreciated and if any providers see this please feel to contribute! Many thanks![/QUOTE]There's plenty of advice from newbie / reference friendly girls around here. I know girls (looking at you Brenna) that have alternate ways of verifying you, but I wouldn't be willing to do it, and I'm always surprised when guys are willing to send a photo with their identification just to get some pussy.
So it all comes down to your risk aversion level. There are other sites that offer "vouch" type options. And then there's P411, etc. Meet and greet is an option I suppose.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3619538]There's plenty of advice from newbie / reference friendly girls around here. I know girls (looking at you Brenna) that have alternate ways of verifying you, but I wouldn't be willing to do it, and I'm always surprised when guys are willing to send a photo with their identification just to get some pussy.
So it all comes down to your risk aversion level. There are other sites that offer "vouch" type options. And then there's P411, etc. Meet and greet is an option I suppose.[/QUOTE]Get through the EE screening process and you should be able to see some independents. I know of at least one lady that will take Steve's reference anytime.
[QUOTE=BTBear;3619950]Get through the EE screening process and you should be able to see some independents. I know of at least one lady that will take Steve's reference anytime.[/QUOTE]Actually I think Steve is the preferred reference for a lot of these providers. They can always get a hold of him and there is no jealousy from him towards them for giving them a reference. It keeps everybody safe. And as a bonus you will get to see one of his girls right away.
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;3619955]Actually I think Steve is the preferred reference for a lot of these providers. They can always get a hold of him and there is no jealousy from him towards them for giving them a reference. It keeps everybody safe. And as a bonus you will get to see one of his girls right away.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BTBear;3619950]Get through the EE screening process and you should be able to see some independents. I know of at least one lady that will take Steve's reference anytime.[/QUOTE]Yep. I've never had an independent refuse to accept Steve as a reference.
Personally, I think he's so helpful because it gives him a chance to hit them up for working with him. Can't blame him for that.
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;3619955]Actually I think Steve is the preferred reference for a lot of these providers. They can always get a hold of him and there is no jealousy from him towards them for giving them a reference. It keeps everybody safe. And as a bonus you will get to see one of his girls right away.[/QUOTE]As a provider with on of the stricter screening processes, at least that's what I've been told LOL, Steve is deff a fav reference for me. I usually am not very willing to see someone that doesn't have an established member identity on usasg or other sites. But I have when they use Steve as a reference. He's always been quick to reply and honest. If he knowsnthe guy he tells you if he doesn't he tells you. Another great person for references is Velvet. She also responds quickly and honestly and is very nice while doing so. Other than that I've not had much luck with many other girls replying to my inquires for references. Or they lie and say they don't know the guy or that he's not a good guy and then proceed to text him themselves and ask him why he isn't coming to see them that they are available and offer lower donations. I've actually seen the texts before. It's to bad more providers don't stick together so to speak and have each other's back instead of being cut throat with one another.
There have been posts ad nauseum about BBFS and the chance of getting a STD. I don't want to start all over about that.
What I would like to ask those of you who seek and do BBFS, are you ever afraid of getting the lady pregnant. I know that some of the first responses would be: "She said she was on birth control", "she said she had 'plumbing issues that won't let her get pregnant. '" But do you really believe everything a provider says? The old saying, "How do you tell when a lawyer is lying? His mouth is moving" can be applied to providers and hobbyists alike. How many times have we said, "I will see you again" or "I am going to be a regular" as we left a not so great appointment? Only to write a so-so review and never see the lady again. Just like when the lady says, "Your dick is huge" or "I don't normally cum, but you made me cum twice". Add to that, "I can't get pregnant so fuck me BB" to the list.
Let's consider this scenario and discuss what you would do.
You see some hot, young thang on USAAC who just left BP because she doesn't understand how BitCoin works. She advertises $100 bucks an hour and because she is "new meat" all of the mongers chase her down.
You arrive at her incall. Proceed to do the DATY and BBBJ, but when it comes time to do the deed she says, "I don't have covers, but it okay to do bareback, I can't get pregnant. " She rocks your world so much you CIP twice in the hour. You leave thinking you have found a new ATF.
Two weeks later. You get a text: "Hey daddy, I missed my period and am pregnant. My legal aid lawyer said that I had to contact all of the guys I did bareback in the last month and get a DNA test. She said if you did not comply, she would get a court order. Sorry. Shit happens. Oh by the way, I ain't 19, I'm really 17. " Another discussion, but not now, is if she is truly 17 (or younger) you might get charged with statutory rape
Well I would die right then. Comply and find out I am the baby daddy or not comply and get a subpoena to comply by court order. The first can be done without the wife finding out, hopefully. The latter, not so much.
Now to stop the back and forth, I am sure that some will say, "It won't be me, because I shoot blanks. " Let's put that into some perspective for the providers' sake. According to the Brookings Institute About 8% of white, educated men have had a vasectomy. That percentage greatly decreases with minorities. About 1-2% of blacks and 3-4% of Hispanics use male sterilization as birth control.
That means about 92% of white mongers who fuck BB can impregnate the woman. 98% of black mongers and 96% of Hispanics can shoot the load that makes a baby.
Are you willing to be only 8% safe or less? The chances of a woman getting pregnant are slim, especially if her lifestyle, I. E. Diet, stress, drug use, keeps her from having a period. Let's say there is a 5% chance of making a baby with a woman you don't love and don't want to make that baby with, is it worth the risk?
Now the financial side of it. You "saved some money" by doing BB with a BP or hell, a street walker for $100 or less. She gets pregnant and decides to fuck you over and have the baby. If you are of modest means, you might get by with just $250 a month child support. Even if the mother dies from her habits you are still responsible to that child for at the minimum 18 years. Do the math, $250 a month, x 12 months in a year and then times 18 years. That equals $54,000 total. Oh I forgot to add in that cheap BB fuck you had for $100 an hour. I don't know about you, but $54,100. 00 is a lot to pay for a piece of ass.
BBFS is here, it never left even during the AIDS Hysteria of the '80's. The ladies hear it all of the time: "I can't get hard with a rubber" well that is your problem not hers. They also hear all of the time: "I always do BB with women, I am snipped. " If it were your life, would you take a 92% chance of them not lying?
This was meant to just open up some eyes about the REAL 8000 pound gorilla of fucking women bareback.
Please post your opinions. Try to be civil even though this is the Octagon.
[QUOTE=BTBear;3620407]There have been posts ad nauseum about BBFS and the chance of getting a STD. I don't want to start all over about that.
What I would like to ask those of you who seek and do BBFS, are you ever afraid of getting the lady pregnant. I know that some of the first responses would be: "She said she was on birth control", "she said she had 'plumbing issues that won't let her get pregnant. '" But do you really believe everything a provider says? The old saying, "How do you tell when a lawyer is lying? His mouth is moving" can be applied to providers and hobbyists alike. How many times have we said, "I will see you again" or "I am going to be a regular" as we left a not so great appointment? Only to write a so-so review and never see the lady again. Just like when the lady says, "Your dick is huge" or "I don't normally cum, but you made me cum twice". Add to that, "I can't get pregnant so fuck me BB" to the list.
Let's consider this scenario and discuss what you would do.
You see some hot, young thang on USAAC who just left BP because she doesn't understand how BitCoin works. She advertises $100 bucks an hour and because she is "new meat" all of the mongers chase her down.
You arrive at her incall. Proceed to do the DATY and BBBJ, but when it comes time to do the deed she says, "I don't have covers, but it okay to do bareback, I can't get pregnant. " She rocks your world so much you CIP twice in the hour. You leave thinking you have found a new ATF.
Two weeks later. You get a text: "Hey daddy, I missed my period and am pregnant. My legal aid lawyer said that I had to contact all of the guys I did bareback in the last month and get a DNA test. She said if you did not comply, she would get a court order. Sorry. Shit happens. Oh by the way, I ain't 19, I'm really 17. " Another discussion, but not now, is if she is truly 17 (or younger) you might get charged with statutory rape
Well I would die right then. Comply and find out I am the baby daddy or not comply and get a subpoena to comply by court order. The first can be done without the wife finding out, hopefully. The latter, not so much.
Now to stop the back and forth, I am sure that some will say, "It won't be me, because I shoot blanks. " Let's put that into some perspective for the providers' sake. According to the Brookings Institute About 8% of white, educated men have had a vasectomy. That percentage greatly decreases with minorities. About 1-2% of blacks and 3-4% of Hispanics use male sterilization as birth control.
That means about 92% of white mongers who fuck BB can impregnate the woman. 98% of black mongers and 96% of Hispanics can shoot the load that makes a baby.
Are you willing to be only 8% safe or less? The chances of a woman getting pregnant are slim, especially if her lifestyle, I. E. Diet, stress, drug use, keeps her from having a period. Let's say there is a 5% chance of making a baby with a woman you don't love and don't want to make that baby with, is it worth the risk?
Now the financial side of it. You "saved some money" by doing BB with a BP or hell, a street walker for $100 or less. She gets pregnant and decides to fuck you over and have the baby. If you are of modest means, you might get by with just $250 a month child support. Even if the mother dies from her habits you are still responsible to that child for at the minimum 18 years. Do the math, $250 a month, x 12 months in a year and then times 18 years. That equals $54,000 total. Oh I forgot to add in that cheap BB fuck you had for $100 an hour. I don't know about you, but $54,100. 00 is a lot to pay for a piece of ass.
BBFS is here, it never left even during the AIDS Hysteria of the '80's. The ladies hear it all of the time: "I can't get hard with a rubber" well that is your problem not hers. They also hear all of the time: "I always do BB with women, I am snipped. " If it were your life, would you take a 92% chance of them not lying?
This was meant to just open up some eyes about the REAL 8000 pound gorilla of fucking women bareback.
Please post your opinions. Try to be civil even though this is the Octagon.[/QUOTE]Bear can't agree more. But what several of these ladies don't know, and I'm sure my fellow mongers don't realize, if they are on bcp. Oh your safe. Wrong. She had a sinus infection last week and treated with an antibiotic. Antibiotics neutralize bcp. I know first hand. I have a daughter from mom and dad not reading the fine print. Just saying.
[QUOTE=FreeWilly12;3620425]Bear can't agree more. But what several of these ladies don't know, and I'm sure my fellow mongers don't realize, if they are on bcp. Oh your safe. Wrong. She had a sinus infection last week and treated with an antibiotic. Antibiotics neutralize bcp. I know first hand. I have a daughter from mom and dad not reading the fine print. Just saying.[/QUOTE]I can vouch for this 100%! An abscessed tooth and 9 months later I had a beautiful baby girl. Most younger women don't know this until it happens bcz the on Dr doesn't readily tell most patients they expect they will read the whole fine print pamphlet that comes along with your new BC. But in reality who actually EVER reads those pamphlets? Usually only people that are past the age of being able to have a child. Nothing is 100%. Not even getting snipped on both sides. There is still a possibility one will slip thru or come out. I have actually seen it happen and a marriage almost ruined bcz the man swore his wife cheated bcz he was snipped no way it could be his. Well DNA proved otherwise and lots of flowers and cards were given LOL. Either way nothing is fool proof. Not even covers. But these methods do drastically reduce the risk. And I hate to say it bcz not all girls are like this but there are some horrible ones out there that are just waiting for their chance to take full advantage of someone bcz they are pregnant and the situation is less than stekker for the baby daddy's family and life to find out. So as always be careful out there bcz just bcz she was great femur an hour do you really want to be tied to her for the next 18+ years?
[QUOTE=ChloeStarr;3620371]As a provider with on of the stricter screening processes, at least that's what I've been told LOL, Steve is deff a fav reference for me. I usually am not very willing to see someone that doesn't have an established member identity on usasg or other sites. But I have when they use Steve as a reference. He's always been quick to reply and honest. If he knowsnthe guy he tells you if he doesn't he tells you. Another great person for references is Velvet. She also responds quickly and honestly and is very nice while doing so. Other than that I've not had much luck with many other girls replying to my inquires for references. Or they lie and say they don't know the guy or that he's not a good guy and then proceed to text him themselves and ask him why he isn't coming to see them that they are available and offer lower donations. I've actually seen the texts before. It's to bad more providers don't stick together so to speak and have each other's back instead of being cut throat with one another.[/QUOTE]USASG is a Hobbyist's site. I have often thought that if an enterprising provider would start a USAP (USA Providers) site it would get some traction. It could be an avenue for the ladies to talk and bond. Would providers pay a minimal amount, say $20 a month, to be able to see reviews of the hobbyists? Most wouldn't, but those who are professional and treat this like it is, a business, might. But there are many of them who don't want to risk losing a client, which is why they don't reference.
We ALL have to have some way of looking out for each other. The sharing of knowledge is what this site was built on, it is a shame that providers don't have a place for themselves. Is a client safe? Is a client who forces anal on you? Is a client someone who tries to trick you into BBFS? Or, for most of us, "Is the guy a good guy?
Most of us respect rates. Most of us look for a connection with the lady who we fuck.
There is an independent site who has a forum for rating the hobbyist. They share info, does he need a magnum? Does he generally only go one round? Is he really a dorky asshole? All questions whose answers should be shared for the provider's safety.
[QUOTE=BTBear;3620407]There have been posts ad nauseum about BBFS and the chance of getting a STD. I don't want to start all over about that.
What I would like to ask those of you who seek and do BBFS, are you ever afraid of getting the lady pregnant. I know that some of the first responses would be: "She said she was on birth control", "she said she had 'plumbing issues that won't let her get pregnant. '" But do you really believe everything a provider says? The old saying, "How do you tell when a lawyer is lying? His mouth is moving" can be applied to providers and hobbyists alike. How many times have we said, "I will see you again" or "I am going to be a regular" as we left a not so great appointment? Only to write a so-so review and never see the lady again. Just like when the lady says, "Your dick is huge" or "I don't normally cum, but you made me cum twice". Add to that, "I can't get pregnant so fuck me BB" to the list.
Let's consider this scenario and discuss what you would do.
You see some hot, young thang on USAAC who just left BP because she doesn't understand how BitCoin works. She advertises $100 bucks an hour and because she is "new meat" all of the mongers chase her down.
You arrive at her incall. Proceed to do the DATY and BBBJ, but when it comes time to do the deed she says, "I don't have covers, but it okay to do bareback, I can't get pregnant. " She rocks your world so much you CIP twice in the hour. You leave thinking you have found a new ATF.
Two weeks later. You get a text: "Hey daddy, I missed my period and am pregnant. My legal aid lawyer said that I had to contact all of the guys I did bareback in the last month and get a DNA test. She said if you did not comply, she would get a court order. Sorry. Shit happens. Oh by the way, I ain't 19, I'm really 17. " Another discussion, but not now, is if she is truly 17 (or younger) you might get charged with statutory rape
Well I would die right then. Comply and find out I am the baby daddy or not comply and get a subpoena to comply by court order. The first can be done without the wife finding out, hopefully. The latter, not so much.
Now to stop the back and forth, I am sure that some will say, "It won't be me, because I shoot blanks. " Let's put that into some perspective for the providers' sake. According to the Brookings Institute About 8% of white, educated men have had a vasectomy. That percentage greatly decreases with minorities. About 1-2% of blacks and 3-4% of Hispanics use male sterilization as birth control.
That means about 92% of white mongers who fuck BB can impregnate the woman. 98% of black mongers and 96% of Hispanics can shoot the load that makes a baby.
Are you willing to be only 8% safe or less? The chances of a woman getting pregnant are slim, especially if her lifestyle, I. E. Diet, stress, drug use, keeps her from having a period. Let's say there is a 5% chance of making a baby with a woman you don't love and don't want to make that baby with, is it worth the risk?
Now the financial side of it. You "saved some money" by doing BB with a BP or hell, a street walker for $100 or less. She gets pregnant and decides to fuck you over and have the baby. If you are of modest means, you might get by with just $250 a month child support. Even if the mother dies from her habits you are still responsible to that child for at the minimum 18 years. Do the math, $250 a month, x 12 months in a year and then times 18 years. That equals $54,000 total. Oh I forgot to add in that cheap BB fuck you had for $100 an hour. I don't know about you, but $54,100. 00 is a lot to pay for a piece of ass.
BBFS is here, it never left even during the AIDS Hysteria of the '80's. The ladies hear it all of the time: "I can't get hard with a rubber" well that is your problem not hers. They also hear all of the time: "I always do BB with women, I am snipped. " If it were your life, would you take a 92% chance of them not lying?
This was meant to just open up some eyes about the REAL 8000 pound gorilla of fucking women bareback.
Please post your opinions. Try to be civil even though this is the Octagon.[/QUOTE]Been in the hobby for a long time Have kids by adoption. Both me and the SO can not have kids by tests a number of them. As Kramer on Seinfeld would say my boys don[t swim and are DOA. No offense meant to the swimmers. I do not do drugs or drink and scrutinize my partners very carefully before taking the "plunge" pun intended. With ED if I get off a good round or two I am a happy man. I love to watch porn to get my self prepared and reved up and a woman who talks dirty to me but in a lusty way is a turn on big time I have my work cut out for myself but I am honest when I seek out a partner. My philosopy has always been if I am donating to the ladies cause she must take care of my needs and I must do what I can to take care of hers BCD. Hopefully we both cum out ahead. About as civil as I can get.
Good post FW. There are many things that make birth control methods not work. I knew one provider years ago that had 5 or 6 kids because NOTHING other than abstinence worked for her as contraception. Hell she had more than one child because the condom broke. Go figure.
If you bareback the women you see, what would you do if you got that call? That is what I am really asking. Are you prepared to pay for a child to go to college on your support? It is something that I would not want to deal with.
I had to deal with several of the "you need to get tested, because I think I caught something. " calls. Luckily, I was was clean after the screenings, but it gives you pause. In all cases I had only had a BBBJ from the ladies, but it was still some concern.
I don't know what I would do with the "I'm pregnant" call.
[QUOTE=BTBear;3620699]Good post FW. There are many things that make birth control methods not work. I knew one provider years ago that had 5 or 6 kids because NOTHING other than abstinence worked for her as contraception. Hell she had more than one child because the condom broke. Go figure.
If you bareback the women you see, what would you do if you got that call? That is what I am really asking. Are you prepared to pay for a child to go to college on your support? It is something that I would not want to deal with.
I had to deal with several of the "you need to get tested, because I think I caught something. " calls. Luckily, I was was clean after the screenings, but it gives you pause. In all cases I had only had a BBBJ from the ladies, but it was still some concern.
I don't know what I would do with the "I'm pregnant" call.[/QUOTE]I had decided when I was 45 to get a vasectomy. I didn't want to be putting a kid through college at 65. I knew a guy that in his mid-50's knocked up a 30-yo that wanted to keep the baby. He was a very unhappy guy. If you're not prepared to raise a kid a vasectomy is way too easy to get. I spent all of an hour and a half at in the urologist's office and sat on bags of frozen peas for a couple days. All the points made here are accurate. Condoms break, BB in the heat of the moment, some can get pregnant just with a little cum outside of her pussy. If you are over 40 and in this hobby, why risk it? The worst pain comes from the prick of the needle with administering the initial Novocain. The pain of an unwanted baby with a lady that you barely know is something that I don't want to know. I will add that I got an email from a SA lady that I was seeing in LEX that was preggo a couple years ago. I knew that I had no swimmers but someone did make a baby with her and is probably paying. All I know was that I was safe and called her bluff as the urologist made me come back twice to make sure I had no swimmers. I noticed that she was back on SA after having the baby. I guess she's looking for another baby daddy.
[QUOTE=JayMalibu;3620717]I had decided when I was 45 to get a vasectomy. I didn't want to be putting a kid through college at 65. I knew a guy that in his mid-50's knocked up a 30-yo that wanted to keep the baby. He was a very unhappy guy. If you're not prepared to raise a kid a vasectomy is way too easy to get. I spent all of an hour and a half at in the urologist's office and sat on bags of frozen peas for a couple days. All the points made here are accurate. Condoms break, BB in the heat of the moment, some can get pregnant just with a little cum outside of her pussy. If you are over 40 and in this hobby, why risk it? The worst pain comes from the prick of the needle with administering the initial Novocain. The pain of an unwanted baby with a lady that you barely know is something that I don't want to know. I will add that I got an email from a SA lady that I was seeing in LEX that was preggo a couple years ago. I knew that I had no swimmers but someone did make a baby with her and is probably paying. All I know was that I was safe and called her bluff as the urologist made me come back twice to make sure I had no swimmers. I noticed that she was back on SA after having the baby. I guess she's looking for another baby daddy.[/QUOTE]I would second Jay's comment. A vasectomy is the way to go when you're done with having kids and know there's no more in the future. When I had mine I spoke to the urologist about the horror stories of things eventually growing back together, voodoo being worked and all of a sudden fertile again, and he assured me when he was done there wouldn't be a possibility. Not to go into too many gruesome details but he wound up doing the cuts, then removed sections of the tubes, burned the ends and then tied off the remaining sections to help ensure there was no chance of any mistakes. He asked me to test several times that first year and yearly for a few years afterward but verified that I wound up being completely sterile.
Almost never partake in BB but the few times I have, it was with a regular that I knew for quite a while and felt reasonably safe with as felt I knew them pretty well and knew their own level of safety. Now there is the whole argument about how well you actually know someone and that's true but that's for another thread. Have had one person give me that "you might be the daddy" email. Responded very succinctly that there wasn't any possibility of it being mine and happy to prove it and never heard from her again.
[QUOTE=ChloeStarr;3620371]As a provider with on of the stricter screening processes, at least that's what I've been told LOL, Steve is deff a fav reference for me. I usually am not very willing to see someone that doesn't have an established member identity on usasg or other sites. But I have when they use Steve as a reference. He's always been quick to reply and honest. If he knowsnthe guy he tells you if he doesn't he tells you. Another great person for references is Velvet. She also responds quickly and honestly and is very nice while doing so.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I don't know if Steve has vouched for me (probably has) but I do know that not only is VR a good provider, she has vouched for me many times even though she kiddingly gives me shit for "cheating" on her. So if you can get established with her you've got a good one on your side.
LuvnLivn.
[QUOTE=JayMalibu;3620717]I had decided when I was 45 to get a vasectomy. I didn't want to be putting a kid through college at 65. I knew a guy that in his mid-50's knocked up a 30-yo that wanted to keep the baby. He was a very unhappy guy. If you're not prepared to raise a kid a vasectomy is way too easy to get. I spent all of an hour and a half at in the urologist's office and sat on bags of frozen peas for a couple days. All the points made here are accurate. Condoms break, BB in the heat of the moment, some can get pregnant just with a little cum outside of her pussy. If you are over 40 and in this hobby, why risk it? The worst pain comes from the prick of the needle with administering the initial Novocain. The pain of an unwanted baby with a lady that you barely know is something that I don't want to know. I will add that I got an email from a SA lady that I was seeing in LEX that was preggo a couple years ago. I knew that I had no swimmers but someone did make a baby with her and is probably paying. All I know was that I was safe and called her bluff as the urologist made me come back twice to make sure I had no swimmers. I noticed that she was back on SA after having the baby. I guess she's looking for another baby daddy.[/QUOTE]I personally know of 3 people (2 men 1 women) who had vasectomy / tubes cut AND over time they grew back and reconnected! One couple had some serious issues and very distraught at having to start all over again raising a newborn at 49! Anybody who has surgical bc done should go back over several years to make sure it is still safe!
[QUOTE=Twisted69;3621823]I personally know of 3 people (2 men 1 women) who had vasectomy / tubes cut AND over time they grew back and reconnected! One couple had some serious issues and very distraught at having to start all over again raising a newborn at 49! Anybody who has surgical bc done should go back over several years to make sure it is still safe![/QUOTE]After cauterization the possibility of the vas growing back is very rare. A very close friend married again after he had been snipped -- After reconnecting he still could not get any live swimmers.
[QUOTE=Twisted69;3621823]I personally know of 3 people (2 men 1 women) who had vasectomy / tubes cut AND over time they grew back and reconnected! One couple had some serious issues and very distraught at having to start all over again raising a newborn at 49! Anybody who has surgical bc done should go back over several years to make sure it is still safe![/QUOTE]When I had mine done, the dr put clips on the ends to both keep them cose and to be able to find if neccessary later.
[QUOTE=Twisted69;3621823]I personally know of 3 people (2 men 1 women) who had vasectomy / tubes cut AND over time they grew back and reconnected! One couple had some serious issues and very distraught at having to start all over again raising a newborn at 49! Anybody who has surgical bc done should go back over several years to make sure it is still safe![/QUOTE]I was wondering if this couple realized we do have legal abortion in this country so people don't have to raise children again at 49. It's called freedom of choice in a country where we have freedom to make choices as adults. It's called the RULE OF LAW. I really don't care to hear any religious beliefs on the matter. It causes way too many problems in the world. It is OBSOLETE!
[QUOTE=BigCat44;3622431]I was wondering if this couple realized we do have legal abortion in this country so people don't have to raise children again at 49. It's called freedom of choice in a country where we have freedom to make choices as adults. It's called the RULE OF LAW. I really don't care to hear any religious beliefs on the matter. It causes way too many problems in the world. It is OBSOLETE![/QUOTE]But the government does not pay monthly 'assistance' otherwise known as welfare for babies that you abort.
[I]moved from other thread just in case it goes off the rails.[/I]
[QUOTE=JayMalibu;3622402]I've seen neither lady but it seems pretty harsh to make comments about perceptions that can certainly be subjective. One person's ugly can be someone else's beauty. Beauty is after all in the eyes of the beholder. Don't get me wrong, I'm not into all the political correctness thingy but -- are abrasive and insensitive public comments really necessary?[/QUOTE]It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek since BoxsterS was so insistent a couple of times that they are the same and how unpleasant she looks. My intention wasn't to be abrasive.
But. Beauty really isn't all that subjective. It's just not. I'm sure we can pick out a girl that's hot and 90% of us would agree. Same with unattractive women. I'm sure we can find one that we virtually all agree on.
[QUOTE=Deadbeat;3622106]When I had mine done, the dr put clips on the ends to both keep them cose and to be able to find if neccessary later.[/QUOTE]Had mine done 40 years ago Snip snip tie and burned never to be heard from again and never a problem.
[QUOTE=Twisted69;3621823]I personally know of 3 people (2 men 1 women) who had vasectomy / tubes cut AND over time they grew back and reconnected! One couple had some serious issues and very distraught at having to start all over again raising a newborn at 49! Anybody who has surgical bc done should go back over several years to make sure it is still safe![/QUOTE]Their choice to raise the kid was based on their personal values, welfare was not a consideration in the decision. I'm not going to rant on the subject of personal values etc. , here! Secondly, my examples were not in the last several years and there are several different techniques that are used in the procedure. My point on caution was not that it happens a lot, just be careful because it does happen.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3622517][I]moved from other thread just in case it goes off the rails.[/I]
It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek since BoxsterS was so insistent a couple of times that they are the same and how unpleasant she looks. My intention wasn't to be abrasive.
But. Beauty really isn't all that subjective. It's just not. I'm sure we can pick out a girl that's hot and 90% of us would agree. Same with unattractive women. I'm sure we can find one that we virtually all agree on.[/QUOTE]I have seen "good looking folks" with "ugly folks", skinny men w / large women, good looking women with guys I would visually judge as dirt bags. Yes RO you are correct, there are those we can all say "damn she is fine! But in a forum it is subjective. Everyone is different. Some people may be totally turned off by a Butterface and others not at all. A few trips to 440 made me aware that attraction goes beyond looks and is totally subjective. As my lovely Grandmother used to say. "every pot has its lid". Peace! JJ.
[QUOTE=Twisted69;3622583]Their choice to raise the kid was based on their personal values, welfare was not a consideration in the decision. I'm not going to rant on the subject of personal values etc. , here! Secondly, my examples were not in the last several years and there are several different techniques that are used in the procedure. My point on caution was not that it happens a lot, just be careful because it does happen.[/QUOTE]TY for stating this Twisted. Folks have to go with their conscience at times money be damned or not.
Abc's of Mongering.
Adult Services: Whether using a phone book or website, it' a dead end to look for any other term. Some phone books have removed the section altogether, preferring 'Adult Entertainment' to legally cover stripping, basement / garage modeling, jumping out of cakes, and the like. 'services' on the other hand, ensures the exchange of sex for money, though it's never wise to ask the friendly voice on the other end for specifics. Trust me. That's between you and the ladyť who will meet every awkward inquiry.
Bargain and the haggle: Do not, under any circumstances, try to negotiate a fee upon arrival. It's even worse to do so after you've taken off your clothes. If the cost is $200, the best ladies are all-inclusive, but there are still rackets about that require additional tips. Yes, you may have to learn the hard way. If you hand over your money and she isn't naked herself within 30 seconds, I hope you brought additional cash.
Comfortable: As in, 'Maybe you should get comfortable. ' If you hear these words upon arrival, get naked. Yes, completely naked. Leaving your socks on will only cause the lady to repeat this phrase or, in extreme cases, call her dispatcher. If you're in the buff, it's unlikely you're a cop, or at least that's the assumption.
Dental Dam: If you're the crazy sort who needs to eat a much-abused pussy, failing to use a dental dam will likely send you to the hospital. Service provider pussy is for tapping, not immersing the same tongue that expects to savor a Big Mac afterwards.
Erection: If you have a raging one on the drive over, you will not exceed three minutes in the sack. If you still don't have one after she's tickling your balls, I suggest the other persuasion.
Fellatio: Any respectable prostitute will perform oral sex at the opening bell (pity if you get one of those 'massage first' chicks) , but decline immediately if she pulls out a condom. Yeah, it's safer, but you might as well be wearing a wool sock. Sure, I've gotten off to the mere sight of a chick in the nether regions, but to this date, I've never actually enjoyed a condom-oriented blow job. If she rolls it on before you can protest, move directly to sex.
Gonorrhea: You're more likely to get it from your girlfriend than a prostitute, so dive in with confidence.
Humiliation: Usually very costly and reserved for specialists, you can often convince your regular to smack you around a bit if you overpay for the half-hour session. Don't ask if it's your first time, but once you're comfortable and familiar, a sawbuck or two will likely earn a disparaging comment or perhaps an open-hand slap. Full beatings usually require a doubling of the overall price.
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In-Call: Jump in the car, baby, because you're going to her place. Or his, if that's your cup of tea. Curiously, this is the preferred method of meeting an adult sex worker, as you can remain relatively anonymous and avoid blackmail schemes such as those featured in Punch Drunk Love. Sure, there's a chance some dude is hiding in the basement, waiting for you to be naked, vulnerable, and amenable to handing over your wallet, but that's not likely to happen in your more upscale, markets or areas.
Jerking Off: Sure, she's a pro, but do not ask for a handjob from a prostitute. She's not only beneath such rote behavior, she'll likely do it half-assed just to piss you off. Still, that's not as bad as paying $265 and only being allowed to jerk yourself off. * wouldn't even remove her top! Not like I'the know or anything.
Kissing: It's pretty much conventional wisdom that prostitutes don't like to kiss because it's 'too personal, ' but that's one of the oldest myths running. They don't want to kiss because it's likely your breath approximates her pussy after an atypically busy afternoon. I slobbered all over a working girl once just to say I did, but dragon breath was the last thing my tentative erection needed for the good fight. A peck goodbye is the preferred method. Making out is for teenagers and drunks.
Love: If it existed, you wouldn't be here.
Music: I can't remember ever visiting a prostitute who didn't have music playing, though on one occasion, I fucked in a motel room while the television was on. Maury, if I'm not mistaken. Acceptable tunes include Enya, Seal, Marvin Gaye, and light jazz, though are&B will work in a pinch. Avoid heavy metal and country at all costs. AC / DC is for strip clubs.
Nasty Talk: You always think you're going to use such language (hey, she's a pro, not my girlfriend) , but it never happens. The minute you start saying, 'you want my cock, don't you * ' you feel completely stupid for assuming you could be manly. You fear women, that's why you can't find any outside the parameters of a transaction, remember? Meek and mild is best, just in case you want to see the little lady again. You are allowed to scream like a banshee during your orgasm, but leave the trash talk at home.
One-and-Done: Few things are as depressing as finding that hot little number who makes you shoot your wad inside of a minute, only to find out that 'per hour' is arguably the most misleading term on earth. Most gals are 'per load' types, which is their right, but if you manage to find a lady who lets you go as many times as you wish without additional currency, never let her go. I mean, follow her from coast to coast, if necessary. I would suggest jerking off right before seeing a prostitute to ensure a longer experience, but every time I think I can do this, I realize, post-orgasm, that I just saved a bunch of money and am too tired to go anywhere.
Prostitute: An acceptable term in some quarters, but 'escort'ť is pretty much the standard these days. Never, ever use 'working girl' or 'tramp' when discussing business, and if you're a real gentleman, you'll resort to 'ma'am' as needed.
Quickie: If you're going to be the sort who can't fill the allotted hour (or half-hour) , make sure you're dropping no more than $40. My personal record is $150 for five total minutes, but that's a mistake no man will make twice. Fine, three times. Find a prostitute who allows 'multiple visits' during the session, and you'll never fear the call of pre-maturity again.
Ramada Inn: The worst fucking place to ever meet a prostitute. Yeah, they often have the outside entrances you crave, but they never seem to cool down those rooms in the summer. As strange as it sounds, I've had the greatest times at Motel 6, perhaps because I don't feel so guilty about dripping my juice on the comforter. It seems almost obligatory.
Sexy attire: I never did like it when girls would answer the door wearing a teddy or some allegedly 'sexy' item. Such things made me more self-conscious and mindful of the business side of the situation. No, it's best when they come to the door in every day clothing, like a sweater, blue jeans, or tight-ass shorts that reverberate camel toe. And if they look like they're just gotten home from a big meeting, complete with librarian-style hair bun? I'm hard before I hit the foyer.
Talking: Very, very important to exchange words with a prostitute after sex, though no more than 3-4 minutes. Believe me, she wants you the fuck out of there. Still, I learned many things over the years, including the fact that a provider I love see on here number one client is a married cop. My sweet, sweet little ATF in Cincy puffed up like a peacock whenever she told me about fucking a high-ranking officer in Hamilton County, or some suit from the mayor's office. And it made me go all aw-shucks with pride whenever she asked me how my Master's Thesis was going. Still unreadable, thanks.
You-turn: Once you call to arrange an appointment, don't be a dick and not show up. If you have regrets, call her and cancel. She has better things to do than shower for no reason. Though you may not.
Voluptuous: They'll tell you over the phone if they're in possession of a healthy rack, and it's best to insist on it. Sure, it's wise to withhold funds from anyone that sends BS pics but if the only way you're going to get a mouthful of funbag is to climb Mt. Fuji, so be it. Few things are as depressing as driving across town to find an emaciated chick who looks like that neighbor boy who never eats.
Washcloth: The classier dames will always offer to wipe down your penis after sex, which is more than my damn ex-wife has ever done. Then again, she had to mount me for free.
Xavier: Just isn't a believable pseudonym. I tried Enrique once, but giggled my way to a hang up. You're not faxing her a copy of your Social Security card and routing information, for crying out loud; just give her your real name.
Youth: Yeah, I've had the ladies fresh from college, or its working girl equivalent, waitressing, but your dollars are better spent with the 30-40 crowd. Not only does an older woman have the chops, she's more likely to convince you that she actually wants to be there, rather than simply being too lazy to punch a time clock. A hot 20-year-old, while good for the loins, will never pull off the head-back moan. But a MILF? I'm buying it, baby.
Zero: When you're earning $7. 25 an hour and still living at home, your bank account will never rise above this point if you insist on more than one girl per month. It's why the good Lord done made credit cards.
[QUOTE=BigCat44;3622431]I was wondering if this couple realized we do have legal abortion in this country so people don't have to raise children again at 49. It's called freedom of choice in a country where we have freedom to make choices as adults. It's called the RULE OF LAW. I really don't care to hear any religious beliefs on the matter. It causes way too many problems in the world. It is OBSOLETE![/QUOTE]Yeah its a choice for everyone but for a girl that see a monthly check every month for next 18 years whether you was sniped or not your going to be a daddy. Think the main point was not everything is not 100%. So if you have been sniped and become a daddy go play the next. Lottery.
[QUOTE=JimJaimes;3622624]TY for stating this Twisted. Folks have to go with their conscience at times money be damned or not.[/QUOTE]Which one of you fags is trying to bump up another alt account and doing a shit job of it? I think I have a guess.
This is pathetic.
Tonight might be my last in the hobby. At least for a while. Went to see a girl tonight who advertises here. I have seen her a few times before. When I got there it was obvious she was fucked up. Like to the point she couldn't stand up. Kept losing her train of thought in the middle of sentences. Just really out of it. I haven't seen her in a while and I can tell she has been heading down hill. I knew she had some kind of issues but I guess you don't realize how bad until you see someone in this condition. I told her she was making me really worried. She ended up sitting down on the bed crying and saying how ashamed she is after looking at pictures of herself from a year ago. I ended up leaving the money and just left. Didn't even unlace my shoes. I'm not going to share her name because of the creeps that I'm sure read this site. Not even really sure why I'm posting this but I don't have a lot of other people I can tell this story to.
[QUOTE=MrOpop;3620263]Hello friends,
Does anyone have any leads on providers who take CC, PayPal, or Venmo? I won't be able to use cash, so if you all know anyone, let me know please (feel free to PM if you want).
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I started not to comment, but I can't help it. This stuff he's saying makes no sense at all. I've been on here for at least 5 years and I've never seen a more ridiculous post. I believe this guy is a shill that wants to see if he can get us to comment on this ridiculous post. I won't be able to pay cash. Why? Is your money in some type of trust? You think your money will be traced? Come on this is a BS post. Sorry that's how I see it. HL29.
[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3623966]I started not to comment, but I can't help it. This stuff he's saying makes no sense at all. I've been on here for at least 5 years and I've never seen a more ridiculous post. I believe this guy is a shill that wants to see if he can get us to comment on this ridiculous post. I won't be able to pay cash. Why? Is your money in some type of trust? You think your money will be traced? Come on this is a BS post. Sorry that's how I see it. HL29.[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing, Hunt. !
Can't pay cash? All your money tied up in US Savings Bonds? Mom won't give you your allowance til the end of the month? Haven't rolled your pennies to go to the bank yet?
Yeah, this tool is a shill.
[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3623966]I believe this guy is a shill that wants to see if he can get us to comment on this ridiculous post.[/QUOTE]And you fell for it? On a review thread? And because you're a well respected Senior Member you were about to kick off a bunch of guys piling on which, if you are correct, would have given him EVERYTHING he wanted? Setting off a couple weeks of him posting shit to make you respond?
This is why I always tell people, its a free forum, there will always be trolls, you cannot beat them to death you can only starve them.
[QUOTE=JayMalibu;3622402]I've seen neither lady but it seems pretty harsh to make comments about perceptions that can certainly be subjective. One person's ugly can be someone else's beauty. Beauty is after all in the eyes of the beholder. Don't get me wrong, I'm not into all the political correctness thingy but -- are abrasive and insensitive public comments really necessary?[/QUOTE]This venue is a tool I use in search of the perfect wave. Does it exist? Probably not however, my search continues. When I catch the perfect wave I don't want to immediately load by board back on the Woody and ride off. I will want to lay on the beach and savor the moment.
In this struggle, called "life" some like me, don't have that much time to invest in the perfect wave search. We aren't looking for "a" wave, looking for "the"wave. I don't go surfing at Stonelick Lake. Waste of time Dude. Now that's just my preception. I didn't unload my board and test the water could tell it was a waste of time by looking at it. Don't go there a waste of time.
Ladyshay69 is down right ugly. She is not weathered or worn out she is ugly. Don't go there. I didn't unload the board. It's about time Dude. The most precious commodity. I can make more money but, I can't make more time. Surfers don't like wasting time. We live life on the edge, riding in the curl, hanging ten.
You go surfing? If so, be honest about the water.
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[QUOTE=LadyShay69;3624494]Thank you for letting me rent space in your brain but enough is enough. This is suppose to be a form for informational purposes to help fellow providers and mongers to connect for some adult fun and learn a little about the person. I believe you have done that and gave your opinion about me and you know what they say about that honey. I'm not hurt or offended about anything you said at all. I can take constructive criticism but you're beyond criticism now or even a critique of my incall and I will take the opportunity to try to make changes to make the therapy experience better but now you are overboard.
That's okay that you don't like me or you think I'm not the best looking woman in the world or the very least on this site but guess what people have a different opinions and taste than you. You didn't like me thank you and grow up to just keep going on and on about your opinion is like a child crying about his candy he didn't get.
Okay you didn't approve of me you came over and turned around and walked away. I had 2 other mongers do the same thing one gave me compensation for my time for getting ready and the other gave me some insight on how to make some changes to help me to learn on how to be a little better about my incall. In both cases that was helpful and respectful but you are being a troll and rude. Now what's the next move on your part. It's obvious I wasn't good for you but apparently I'm good for other people. Your post are getting redundant and quite repetitive. I thought you were a seasoned monger. Don't forget you wanted to take me to a hotel and I REFUSED to go with you because you frighten me and I wanted to stay safe but I had a change of heart because I knew this was going to happen.
IMO. It seems to me you got into this lifestyle just to complain and try to belittle a woman just because you want to feel better about yourself.
BTW Heather513 and I are two different people it's obvious that you need glass because you can't tell the difference between two people or you're too beetle headed to even understand that people can look alike but we don't look alike.
Good luck on your wave search because whoever you find is going to need luck with you.
Kisses,
LadyShay69.[/QUOTE]Like you said, I came over and walked away. I said this isn't going to work and got in my car. . I left, you called me. I made no offer of any other arrangements to spend a second of time with you.