Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BTBear;3584978]Some of the other boards use to have "social events" where people get together at a bar and get to meet each other in a non-business environment.

This use to be a standard thing, but all it took was having the gathering raided by Uncle LEO for them to stop.[/QUOTE]I went to one of these years ago in Minneapolis (back then a hotbed of great providers). Never went to another one. I don't get the value of hanging out at what basically becomes a sausage fest with a few girls. Plus a lot of those dudes were pretty creepy! LOL.

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It is annoying / drives me crazy when a lady you have not met with yet, but did contact and didn't resond in a timely fashion (2 days) finally responds with only saying hosting. Not a one time text but now every other day. This is an arrangement / rental. Not a paycheck. 2 seperate ladies now. To the ladies that do understand and are professional in all areas (responding in a timely manner and keeping appointments, just plain reliable and responsible). Thank you.

Thought I would share some of the bounty this summer has brought me. The 1 sr pic I've been seeing for about 6 months found her on bachpage in an add that had no pics or phone number, the second posted on backpage about a year age, says she decided not to meet anyone, I kept texting her every few weeks for about 8 months until she finally agreed to meet. The 3rd I met this week, she was referred to me by another provider she was a friend who was in a jam. I have met a lot of other nice girls this summer as well but these 3 were my favorite. I don't have permission to share numbers.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3590064][URL]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/633323/sex-robot-prostitutes-brothel-more-popular-real-girls-Vienna-Austria[/URL][/QUOTE]Err yeah. If you haven't noticed guys will fuck anything whether it moans, groans, wiggles or lays flat as a board.

[QUOTE=CheroKid;3593735]Thought I would share some of the bounty this summer has brought me. The 1 sr pic I've been seeing for about 6 months found her on bachpage in an add that had no pics or phone number, the second posted on backpage about a year age, says she decided not to meet anyone, I kept texting her every few weeks for about 8 months until she finally agreed to meet. The 3rd I met this week, she was referred to me by another provider she was a friend who was in a jam. I have met a lot of other nice girls this summer as well but these 3 were my favorite. I don't have permission to share numbers.[/QUOTE]I know that last one. I would be reluctant to believe the things she claims. She's perpetually in a jam. She's not new to this or a plain dealer. The kind of terrible attitude toward life that means the sky is perpetually falling, nothing is her fault in her shitty life, but she's still someone people should pay special attention to.

[QUOTE=ProVid;3593917]I know that last one. I would be reluctant to believe the things she claims. She's perpetually in a jam. She's not new to this or a plain dealer. The kind of terrible attitude toward life that means the sky is perpetually falling, nothing is her fault in her shitty life, but she's still someone people should pay special attention to.[/QUOTE]I didn't notice until I read your comment that the pics uploaded in reverse order, the last pic is the one I have been seeing regularly for about 4 months now, I would agree with the majority of your comments and add that once you get to know her, she is quite different and a lot of fun. There was a period last spring when I stopped seeing anyone and we lost contact she said that she met some mongers when I was mia.

Went to a near by AMP today to get some relief.

I drew the older not so tease friendly masseuse. Ok that saved me some tip $!

35 minutes into my massage another patron strolls in and is loud as hell!

He some how get the lights turned on in the whole place. My masseuse goes out the door in a flash and starts a little tirade in the lobby, lights go out.

Then plain as day we hear "well I wanted to see what I was paying for or something to that affect! " Really dude! Not only did you draw the prime lady, but you had to be like that?

Then all you could hear over the music in both rooms was this guy talking and directing.

Needless to say my time was not worth it all the way around there today!

If the patron reads this, lets not get into a pissing contest out in the open. Feel free to pm me!

Also all us mongers need to be thoughtful of the fellow mongers that are at the same establishment. And mindful of when in a small parking lot at an AMP, it is easy to figure out whose car wasn't there when you went in.

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3594267]Went to a near by AMP today to get some relief.

I drew the older not so tease friendly masseuse. Ok that saved me some tip $!

35 minutes into my massage another patron strolls in and is loud as hell!

He some how get the lights turned on in the whole place. My masseuse goes out the door in a flash and starts a little tirade in the lobby, lights go out.

Then plain as day we hear "well I wanted to see what I was paying for or something to that affect! " Really dude! Not only did you draw the prime lady, but you had to be like that?

Then all you could hear over the music in both rooms was this guy talking and directing.

Needless to say my time was not worth it all the way around there today!

If the patron reads this, lets not get into a pissing contest out in the open. Feel free to pm me!

Also all us mongers need to be thoughtful of the fellow mongers that are at the same establishment. And mindful of when in a small parking lot at an AMP, it is easy to figure out whose car wasn't there when you went in.[/QUOTE]Must have been extra bad since you posted in two different threads in the same city with the exact same message. You planning to identify the AMP in question while you try to school this monger that so raised your ire?

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Lighten Up Francis!

[QUOTE=FMichaels4533;3579888]Between NFL players taking a knee, people tearing down historic statues and generally trying to rewrite our history, the last place I expect to have to be preached to is in this hobby. News flash girls, we come to visit you to escape from the BS and enjoy just a bit of fantasy and pleasure (hopefully for both). So please keep political commentary to yourself unless it comes up in polite conversation initiated by your client. Here is what set me off, a quote from Cassie's post yesterday:

"Or as I like to call it, Happy National Genicide of Indigenous People Day!" I'm guessing she pissed off quite a few Italian American clients. I've seen her before and had fun, but she's off my list now.

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Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Willow1535;3598095]Lighten Up Francis![/QUOTE]Who cares. WTF, you want to build a long time relationship / life with her? Have fun and be on your way.

So for the first time I had a provider ask for references. I had no idea even where to start with that. I was honest with her about that, and she told me that references were just a couple other providers I had seen before. I'm thinking if this were a job reference, I would first ask the other provider if she would be willing to be a reference for me, but in this context that seems awkward.

Any advice?

In a session? If you are disappointed do you say anything? Even though it was just ok, would you see her again?

A lot of escorts are asked that. The worst that could happen is that they give you an attitude about it and that's on them. If I were you I'd just text escorts I'd seen before and see if they are willing to provide references for you, that way if they cop an attitude you don't have to deal with them on the phone. Otherwise I think most escorts would be willing to vouch for you.

[QUOTE=Filmbyter;3598397]So for the first time I had a provider ask for references. I had no idea even where to start with that. I was honest with her about that, and she told me that references were just a couple other providers I had seen before. I'm thinking if this were a job reference, I would first ask the other provider if she would be willing to be a reference for me, but in this context that seems awkward.

Any advice?[/QUOTE]My two cents. Which ever other ladies or lady you seen that can vouch for you. Just ask, as it is business. The arrangement you have with a provider or providers shouldn't be monogamous by any means. And in reality, your just a paycheck. I say just ask her. The lady in question, you may be reluctant to ask may either step up her game to keep your business or help you out. Either way it could be a win for you. And if she cuts you off. Move on. It is her lose!
Personally i perfer a lady to ask me for references as i know that they are the safer provider, than ones they throw out their address and donation right away. Especially for a first time meeting. Are the ones i am reluctant to meet. This past weekend i was set to meet a lady that has had awesome reviews of her performance, but when i contacted her there was no mention or reference or a member of USA. Which sounds goofy, but my spidey senses wont let me get confortable for fear this is a setup or the lady may be under servalence and someone is building a case and keeping records. That is just my 2 cents

Just floating an idea, if there should be another separate cathegory for anything other than vanilla.

From time to time it's nice to see a provider who specifically wears something you really like or is willing to do what regulars "do it for a tip", meaning is really into any of the subcultures of getting off.

Thoughts?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TapThat;3598439]My two cents. Which ever other ladies or lady you seen that can vouch for you. Just ask, as it is business. The arrangement you have with a provider or providers shouldn't be monogamous by any means. And in reality, your just a paycheck. I say just ask her. The lady in question, you may be reluctant to ask may either step up her game to keep your business or help you out. Either way it could be a win for you. And if she cuts you off. Move on. It is her lose!
Personally i perfer a lady to ask me for references as i know that they are the safer provider, than ones they throw out their address and donation right away. Especially for a first time meeting. Are the ones i am reluctant to meet. This past weekend i was set to meet a lady that has had awesome reviews of her performance, but when i contacted her there was no mention or reference or a member of USA. Which sounds goofy, but my spidey senses wont let me get confortable for fear this is a setup or the lady may be under servalence and someone is building a case and keeping records. That is just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't mind giving references. It is reassuring to know that providers can give each other reliable information based on experience.

I can B. S. Some big long explanation on why I don't as to why I don't ask for references but honestly its due to sheer laziness and disordergnizstion.

[QUOTE=SalaMander;3598499]Just floating an idea, if there should be another separate cathegory for anything other than vanilla.

From time to time it's nice to see a provider who specifically wears something you really like or is willing to do what regulars "do it for a tip", meaning is really into any of the subcultures of getting off.

Thoughts?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Top end providers will accommodate your request.

[QUOTE=SalaMander;3598499]Just floating an idea, if there should be another separate cathegory for anything other than vanilla.

From time to time it's nice to see a provider who specifically wears something you really like or is willing to do what regulars "do it for a tip", meaning is really into any of the subcultures of getting off.

Thoughts?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with this. I find the words "fetish friendly" to be generally overbroad--There is a VAST difference between a lady that wears Garters and likes a bit of spanking and one that will freely recreate "2 girls, 1 cup" while showing up dressed as Smokey bear with a diaper on. As I really don't like to get into specifics with a provider until after I know her a bit. I never like directly associating an act with a price before I am certain her Uncle is not in the room with us. Sometimes I feel a little blind in asking what specific fetishes she either 1) Enjoys tremendously, 2) Pays for Play or 3) OH HELL NO. Not at any price. Reviews help flesh out the specifics. But sometimes, particularly in the fetish realm. The information is either not available or kept close hold until you are in the room with her.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3598420]In a session? If you are disappointed do you say anything? Even though it was just ok, would you see her again?[/QUOTE]I don't have any real deep fetishes. I rattle off a few things I like (just ask Cassie ha) and they either do a good job or not.

If I'm bored I simply get up, get dressed and leave. If it is obvious they aren't going to live up to their end of the deal or they are just "phoning it in" so to speak, I'll say something, but at that point usually, I'm bored and dressing.

I vote with my wallet. If there's nothing I really like, I won't be back. On the flip side, if they really trip my trigger, they stand a good chance of seeing quite a bit of me.

[QUOTE=Cassie92;3598517]Personally, I don't mind giving references. It is reassuring to know that providers can give each other reliable information based on experience.

I can B. S. Some big long explanation on why I don't as to why I don't ask for references but honestly its due to sheer laziness and disordergnizstion.[/QUOTE]Sweetiepie, you should be asking for references and screening, because eventually, if you don't, one of two things will happen:

[B]1. Best case. You'll get hooked by Uncle LEO. I understand downtown incarceration is pretty organized.[/B]

[B]2. Worst case. You're going to meet a nutcase that's dangerous. I know a couple of girls that this has happened to, especially on outcall.[/B]

Not lecturing. It's your business. Be careful.

[QUOTE=Cassie92;3598517]Personally, I don't mind giving references. It is reassuring to know that providers can give each other reliable information based on experience.

I can B. S. Some big long explanation on why I don't as to why I don't ask for references but honestly its due to sheer laziness and disordergnizstion.[/QUOTE]It is your business, you run it as you see fit. Laziness and disorganization is no excuse, but carelessness. You put your self at risk and potentially your client. This is an arrangement with the expectation of a dramafree meeting. Also you ladies watching out for one another and yourselves at the same time. Just be safe.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3598775]I don't have any real deep fetishes. I rattle off a few things I like (just ask Cassie ha) and they either do a good job or not.

If I'm bored I simply get up, get dressed and leave. If it is obvious they aren't going to live up to their end of the deal or they are just "phoning it in" so to speak, I'll say something, but at that point usually, I'm bored and dressing.

I vote with my wallet. If there's nothing I really like, I won't be back. On the flip side, if they really trip my trigger, they stand a good chance of seeing quite a bit of me.[/QUOTE]Voting with the wallet is the best way. Saying something usually doesn't accomplish much. Everyone has a bad or off day abd lets face it not everyone gets the same treatment. But my question is how much does one not going back actually hurt a provider. Also what does a provider actually consider a regular or valued customer. How many times a month does one need to show up to be considered a regular? Most guys like variety and always looking for someone new so even a great provider doesn't get a mongers monthly budget for play.

Thanks, makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3598422]A lot of escorts are asked that. The worst that could happen is that they give you an attitude about it and that's on them. If I were you I'd just text escorts I'd seen before and see if they are willing to provide references for you, that way if they cop an attitude you don't have to deal with them on the phone. Otherwise I think most escorts would be willing to vouch for you.[/QUOTE]

If it's his first time or the providers he sees refuse to give him a reference? What then? Here in MA they don't arrest the escorts anymore. We are considered victims, which is ridiculous, but I'm happy they don't arrest us anymore. They only arrest the guys. I may decide to ask for references, and I have before if the guy sounds shady, or I won't see them at all. A great site to use is [URL]411.com[/URL] Providers communicate there and post bad clients. I also google phone numbers to see what I can find out and do a facebook search. Names show up on my phone generally. I will search their names via google and facebook. I found out a guy was a sex offender that way.

As far as asking providers what you like, it's not a waste of time. A guy told me that he was disappointed because I wasn't dominate and didn't take charge. How would I know that if he doesn't tell me? I'm not a mind reader. Another guy told me he was disappointed that I didn't wear lingerie. I change up and sometimes I will wear sexy dresses. How would I know unless he told me? Guys need to speak up and if the escort doesn't care about your preferences then she's a bad escort. I tell all the guys to tell me how they want their BJ, if they don't like my technique and if they want to fuck tell me to stop sucking.

[QUOTE=Cassie92;3598517]Personally, I don't mind giving references. It is reassuring to know that providers can give each other reliable information based on experience.

I can B. S. Some big long explanation on why I don't as to why I don't ask for references but honestly its due to sheer laziness and disordergnizstion.[/QUOTE]The worst thing about giving references is when a provider doesn't reply to another provider when asked.

I totally believe that the women need to stick together and help each other. It keeps the whole community safe.

I guess many feel that by not giving a reference on a hobbyist they keep them to themselves.

In my case it will actually make them less desirable. As a hobbyist it's my right to seek variety.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3598868]Voting with the wallet is the best way. Saying something usually doesn't accomplish much. Everyone has a bad or off day abd lets face it not everyone gets the same treatment. But my question is how much does one not going back actually hurt a provider. Also what does a provider actually consider a regular or valued customer. How many times a month does one need to show up to be considered a regular? Most guys like variety and always looking for someone new so even a great provider doesn't get a mongers monthly budget for play.[/QUOTE]I don't know what constitutes a regular. Good question for the chickies. I would think though, that if you visited even twice a month for an extended appointment and stopped, you're affecting their bottom line.

[QUOTE=CheroKid;3593735]Thought I would share some of the bounty this summer has brought me. The 1 sr pic I've been seeing for about 6 months found her on bachpage in an add that had no pics or phone number, the second posted on backpage about a year age, says she decided not to meet anyone, I kept texting her every few weeks for about 8 months until she finally agreed to meet. The 3rd I met this week, she was referred to me by another provider she was a friend who was in a jam. I have met a lot of other nice girls this summer as well but these 3 were my favorite. I don't have permission to share numbers.[/QUOTE]Let us know when and if you get permission to share digits. All 3 have great bodies.

I had a nice visit with one of the USA advertisers recently that told me that she was looking for regulars and didn't want to be high volume. I will review her in the right thread shortly.

So when she stated she wanted to establish a clientele of a few REGULARS. That led us to discuss what her idea of a regular is and how many clients she is wanting to have.

I was surprised that she was open to a few options. Most of the time there is the idea that weekly is the standard as a REGULAR. Not with her. We had a successful first meet and great. We will see if she and I can come to some type of understanding in the near future.

My point is if you do not ask the provider of what her expectation is of a REGULAR you won't know!

I am looking for a computer tech savvy provider for an idea that I have. Unfortunately (for both of us) it doesn't involve the fun kind of work that we all enjoy--Just an idea for a project that I am thinking of putting together. PM me on here if you are interested in heading up something worthwhile.

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3600385]I had a nice visit with one of the USA advertisers recently that told me that she was looking for regulars and didn't want to be high volume. I will review her in the right thread shortly.

So when she stated she wanted to establish a clientele of a few REGULARS. That led us to discuss what her idea of a regular is and how many clients she is wanting to have.

I was surprised that she was open to a few options. Most of the time there is the idea that weekly is the standard as a REGULAR. Not with her. We had a successful first meet and great. We will see if she and I can come to some type of understanding in the near future.

My point is if you do not ask the provider of what her expectation is of a REGULAR you won't know![/QUOTE]All providers want regulars. The also want guys who don't NCNS, cancel at the last minute, take up all day with texting, are on time, don't beg for BBFS, don't haggle on price, don't stay longer than they book for and are "fresh and clean.

Other than the begging for BB, the list could be a list from hobbyists.

I know a provider who has had a rash of NCNS and last minute cancellations. If she pulled that shit, she would be lambasted and given a bad name.

The hobbyists who do the above give all of us a bad name. They make the women jaded which can negatively affect what a good guy gets when we see them.

It should be a rule that you can't post a review without a link.

Long reviews that describe a sexually exciting and fulfilling experience that don't include ad links or contact info is something that should be banned and if a hobbyist does it twice, they should be banned.

It is like looking at candy and not being able to buy it. It is like watching adult programming on Cinemax. Interesting but unsatisfying.

Quit bragging about how good you have it without sharing. Those that do this probably eat banquets in front of starving Ethiopians.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3600963]It should be a rule that you can't post a review without a link.

Long reviews that describe a sexually exciting and fulfilling experience that don't include ad links or contact info is something that should be banned and if a hobbyist does it twice, they should be banned.

It is like looking at candy and not being able to buy it. It is like watching adult programming on Cinemax. Interesting but unsatisfying.

Quit bragging about how good you have it without sharing. Those that do this probably eat banquets in front of starving Ethiopians.[/QUOTE]What would we do with all the time we use to spend trying to figure out who the heck the review is about, is she still in business, or what the lady looks like, of what are her particulars, or how she can be contacted, or have I seen her before under some other name, or... Well, come to think of it I could probably find something else to do. Good idea BTBear.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3600963]It should be a rule that you can't post a review without a link.

Long reviews that describe a sexually exciting and fulfilling experience that don't include ad links or contact info is something that should be banned and if a hobbyist does it twice, they should be banned.

It is like looking at candy and not being able to buy it. It is like watching adult programming on Cinemax. Interesting but unsatisfying.

Quit bragging about how good you have it without sharing. Those that do this probably eat banquets in front of starving Ethiopians.[/QUOTE]Most never happen so it's hard to post links, or my personal favorites " it happened awhile back" or the ever popular " she likes me so much she deleted her profile. Some just have to tell stories, but some actually like reading the fiction while others just out right drink the grade kool-aid and believe every word.

[QUOTE=BobbyLinn;3601128]What would we do with all the time we use to spend trying to figure out who the heck the review is about, is she still in business, or what the lady looks like, of what are her particulars, or how she can be contacted, or have I seen her before under some other name, or... Well, come to think of it I could probably find something else to do. Good idea BTBear.[/QUOTE]My personal solution is just to assume every review is about Lexi (or Lexy, Lexxy, Lexxxi, Lackshi, Lechxhi, Lektioy) and then write it off as being forever unknowable, like Gravity, or what "I'm Fine" actually means.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3600963]It should be a rule that you can't post a review without a link.

Long reviews that describe a sexually exciting and fulfilling experience that don't include ad links or contact info is something that should be banned and if a hobbyist does it twice, they should be banned.

It is like looking at candy and not being able to buy it. It is like watching adult programming on Cinemax. Interesting but unsatisfying.

Quit bragging about how good you have it without sharing. Those that do this probably eat banquets in front of starving Ethiopians.[/QUOTE]Many of us see UTR girls, and with them, I personally offer the good ones a review on them. For the duds or scammers I just post. Some want a post and want me to share their contact information which I have done many times, some want me NOT to post or share any information, and the latest, a past USA advertiser that had a large clientele wanted the post just to let her prior regulars know she was still available and not to give out her number. I am a firm believer in getting permission prior to making a post on a good one and adhere to girls wishes on giving out number. IMHO It is only right to adhere to the girls wishes as far as my evaluation of girl and sharing number.

[QUOTE=SinsinnatiToy;3601572]Many of us see UTR girls, and with them, I personally offer the good ones a review on them. For the duds or scammers I just post. Some want a post and want me to share their contact information which I have done many times, some want me NOT to post or share any information, and the latest, a past USA advertiser that had a large clientele wanted the post just to let her prior regulars know she was still available and not to give out her number. I am a firm believer in getting permission prior to making a post on a good one and adhere to girls wishes on giving out number. IMHO It is only right to adhere to the girls wishes as far as my evaluation of girl and sharing number.[/QUOTE]Big believer in respecting the girls wishes but posting a penthouse type of review knowing you can't or won't share a link or contact info is useless. This type of post is either looked at as bragging or pure fiction. Nobody really cares for braggerts but some do like fiction. For me after I see a trend developing on the stories I just ignore them as fiction writers. Some I guess feel better spinning tall tales.

After my first scheduled appt fell through this morning, I set up with EE only for the lady to have personal issues and she could not and then another provider who I waited on 45 minutes after the appointed time and I left. This followed by sending 8 text messages out to providers with ads only to not get any replies. Really? Why even post an Ad if they are not going to be avail. I finally went to a AMP for a great massage. And left happy. A shame when AMPs beat out providers for service and money. I get Tired of playing games, and just feel like calling it quits.