LA LA Land Bullshit and Fight Club

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6585812]She had sex with you. There's no excuse not to pay her. Even if you cannot cum, pull out, or cannot have an erection, she completed her end of the bargain. Nobody can guarantee a good experience or satisfaction. If you don't pay up you are a thief.

Now unless you have too much money with you, you know roughly you have the same or less money when you come out. I smell a rat. If you don't know, you are a newbie. You know exactly how much money you have before getting in for security.

You get into a bad start. Basically, you are saying, "Disinfect your dirty mouth. " I can see how somebody will be offended. I never asked. And I never heard of it. And where do you get the science? Saliva is a pretty potent disinfectant.

No, you can't bring anything and ask another person to put it into their mouth. That's a very high-security risk. Newbie you.

How long did you book? Her menu says she's a high-volume girl. What do you expect? I hesitated but I went ahead because she would be good in video. I booked for a full hour and added video on the spot. She still didn't smile a bit. Came out of the bathroom, kneel down, grab my cock, and brush away, no smiling at all. It was quite refreshing as she was like brushing her teeth but fucking my cock with her cheek. She was more or less the same on the next time, with no smiling. But I can assure you, hidden inside her is a sweet friendly character. You don't want to know but she kisses and cuddles just the same.

Now you may not be a newbie on PD, but on HX you don't kiss necks for the money you paid. If the menu doesn't include DFK, you may touch her tips momentarily if LFK is there, but nowhere else. Not on sensitive places like ears and necks. Not on hair as there's no way but to wash all the hair. Necks can easily leave love marks. Same as DATY and DATO, you have to pay extra if it's not included.[/QUOTE]Lots of be said here.

First, I don't expect things to run smoothly, especially on my side if I can't cum, get hard, etc etc. That would be my fault. As for her end of the deal, she needs to provide service and reasonable attitude yes? Would any guy pay a provider to treat him like shit? I would not even show up if SHE OFFERED to PAY me. Despite that, I did tried to text her back but no reply.

Next about the money. You smell a rat? You might want to check your nose. It is common for guys to bring the exact mount they intend to pay. For my visit, it was 160 and that's exactly what I brought. So assuming I gave it to her, why the hell would I check my pocket after the visit? Add that on top of getting into argument with her. Do you honestly think anyone in their right mind would be checking their pocket for the money after that? Like what, she got so mad that she put money back into my pocket after I went to the restroom? It makes no sense. I only realized that I didn't leave behind the donation a few hours after she texted me later. By then I tried to reply but she didn't answer. Probably blocked my numb.

I always ask providers who offers BBBJ to do mouth wash. And if they get offended by that, that's their problem. They know what they are and what they do. They're dirty and suck on dicks all day. The least they can do is make it a bit safer, cleaner for themselves and their clients. I'm offering hygiene for us both. I've been doing this for years. Check yourself and don't go and call me a newb. You need to do your research and understand medicine a bit. I used to work in healthcare. Go ahead and google "Efficacy of listerine antiseptic in reducing viral contamination of saliva. " by the NIH. Let me know what you find. I don't want to comment on how ignorant that comment was about saliva being a safe antiseptic is. I've had and known guys catching bacterial infections and herpes from just BBBJ alone.

This is a risky hobby. Just me showing up to a random place is a risk in itself. Just her letting a random stranger through her doors is a risk in itself. But if you want to make an argument about using a perfectly sealed, brand new bottle of listerine is risky, go for it. If the concern about it potentially being drugged, I always ask them would "you like me to use it too?" That's how you handle it. Also, if they are a good provider, they should be having a bottle of it to begin with. I've known professional providers like this. I don't think I'm am the newb here.

Her menu says GFE. Do we need to go over the definition of a GFE? If she is able to provide BBBJ, she can stand a bit of light kissing on the neck. Anyone with common sense would understand that.

I didn't even try to kiss her mouth. Didn't want to.

I'm reading a lot of replies about my situation on this forum. Overwhelmingly the comments have been neutral, which I appreciate. But with you, I sense that you are coming at me with some hostility. It's like you are white knighting for this girl. I don't know if she's your homegirl, you got feelings for her, or hated the fact that I got away without paying so it's not fair to you who had to pay for her shitty service?. But your tone has been less than cordial.

Well shit this is cute. She tried to message me about the forgotten donation. I didn't see the message till an hour later. She then blocked my number before I could reply and then blocked me on Hx.

Whatever, I am not going to pursue this any more. We can chalk it up to my loss and her loss. Like I said, if she OFFERED to PAY me double that money to come and experience what I experienced, I would not take it.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6586769]PM her HX account. If you wonder if your PM is blocked too, I can PM too.[/QUOTE]No, you don't have to work for her for free, be a "good Samaritan" and white knight for her. You will not earn any brownie points with her.

I have tried to contact her. I am over this. And I think she is too.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6586871]No, you don't have to work for her for free, be a "good Samaritan" and white knight for her. You will not earn any brownie points with her.

I have tried to contact her. I am over this. And I think she is too.[/QUOTE]I didn't see her for a year. No brownie points can save that. I'm just giving you no excuses. If you have no fx points, you can go to your own profile and unlock 3 days for 40 points I think.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6586867]Well shit this is cute. She tried to message me about the forgotten donation. I didn't see the message till an hour later. She then blocked my number before I could reply and then blocked me on Hx.

Whatever, I am not going to pursue this any more. We can chalk it up to my loss and her loss. Like I said, if she OFFERED to PAY me double that money to come and experience what I experienced, I would not take it.[/QUOTE]Good. Don't pay that *****. Even if you paid her afterwards she would've still trashed you. Fuck her. These 304's need to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid.

[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;6587049]Good. Don't pay that *****. Even if you paid her afterwards she would've still trashed you. Fuck her. These 304's need to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid.[/QUOTE]That part about the 304 needing to improve their services and attitude if they want to get paid is spot on. You hit the nail on the head on that one.

With my situation, it isn't about the money. It's about holding the line for a deal. The deal is, if you agree to pay x amount, the girl need to do whatever is posted with reasonable attitude.

Guys pay the girl for two things, service and to be treated reasonably okay*, just okay. I am not talking about being treated like a king here.

But apparently, it seems like a decent of guys would just settle for a shitty service and be okay with a 304 treating them like shit. It is your money, your time, and your pleasure. Expect nothing less. We need to hold the line and have standards gents. Enough with this simping, being a wimp, and being a backboneless coward and not stand up to this bs they throw at us.

I have had the pleasure to meet girls who went above and beyond to make the experience amazing. And to that, I have tipped them extra because I felt like they deserve it. Great attitude and service go a long way.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6586895]I didn't see her for a year. No brownie points can save that. I'm just giving you no excuses. If you have no fx points, you can go to your own profile and unlock 3 days for 40 points I think.[/QUOTE]Good, don't. Cause the moment you try to help a 304, they see you as a simp, someone easily manipulated. They will let Chad and Tyrone blow their back for free, while teasing their simps to keep him interested and they can continue to use and manipulate them. I've been banging girls over 2 decades. I got a good idea how their mind works.

You didn't read my message correctly. I don't have a lockout account issue. She blocked me from messaging her. She made that decision. I am over this.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6585771]

A bit later, she texted me saying that I forgot to leave behind the donation. To be honest, I did remember touching the money and leaving it behind. But I don't remember if I somehow put it back? Maybe it was when she asked me to go wash my hands again after I pulled out the donation.

What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?[/QUOTE]What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.

[QUOTE=TickingTock;6585780]No comment about the situation, but if you did the deed, and kept the money by accident, you should pay it back. Not some white knight shit, but word will get around, also she's part of a crew. You're not going to be able to see other girls part of the crew if they strike your fancy.[/QUOTE]The white knights are just as stupid, thinking they'll get so many brownie points hoping to get freebies. I'll never forget a very well known provider (not saying who) telling me ladies don't give a shit about them either, and use their dumb asses just to get info and gifts tattle telling like a kid, thinking they'll get "extras, hanging out off the clock discounts, or freebies" before and during sessions. LOL!

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6585771]What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?[/QUOTE]You're a clown. You stole from that girl. She fucked sucked and made you cum. She did what she was there to do and held up her end of the deal. You robbed her. You're lucky the booker didn't give you a red mark.

I've also seen Sabrina and I don't doubt that she had an attitude or was rude but if you complete the session you pay the money. Guys like you are why the site is going to shit.

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6587310]What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.[/QUOTE]It's not a big deal. No one gives a shit. ***** didn't get paid. So what? She had attitude and trash service. It is what it is. You guys talking about doing "right" yet you're in this hobby LOL.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6587203]Good, don't. Cause the moment you try to help a 304, they see you as a simp, someone easily manipulated. They will let Chad and Tyrone blow their back for free, while teasing their simps to keep him interested and they can continue to use and manipulate them. I've been banging girls over 2 decades. I got a good idea how their mind works.

You didn't read my message correctly. I don't have a lockout account issue. She blocked me from messaging her. She made that decision. I am over this.[/QUOTE]You keep bringing up white knights as if they need help. If you have been paying for sex for 2 decades, you will know how things work. But obviously, you don't. So I have to shoot you down.

My last first date on Enclave told me she earned 6 figures last year but blew it. That's low but I'm not surprised by their low frequency of turning up. There are some well-known HX MILF progressing to GILF who won't bother to turn up for less than $500. They had a run for years, multi-6-figures each. Now they have financial freedom and wouldn't risk being rejected at first sight after preparing an hour to patch their face and unclog their plumbing. I'm sure they are more easily over it than you do. What else? Find somebody to retrieve your QV rate? Give you a bad rating?

I want to say something because I can vouch for her robotness and her unique BBBJ, LOL. Is this a bad thing? If she still has a QV rate, what do you expect?

Now if I can get a refund for every unsatisfactory service, I will be rich!

You confessed you started it all. All you need is a needle to put anything you want in the mouthwash. If DFK / LFK isn't on the menu, why would you think you have the right to kiss her neck?

Now if you can find me a girl (other than k-houses or c-houses) who will let me wash her body including her feet and let me kiss anywhere not explicitly mentioned on their menu and I'll be a happy man. Even in k-houses and c-houses, they normally won't let you wash them, not thoroughly. You always have to leave the tub first without knowing what they do after.

(not that I didn't read, your "messaging" isn't the correct word).

[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;6587750]It's not a big deal. No one gives a shit. ***** didn't get paid. So what? She had attitude and trash service. It is what it is. You guys talking about doing "right" yet you're in this hobby LOL.[/QUOTE]I know you hate these *es. Are you advocating that we should force a refund after every bad service?

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6587310]What you failed to mention on the post is if you found the money on your person or not. If you did, you are 100% wrong.

WTF kinda question is this? "Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson". Who the EFF are you to teach anyone a lesson. That in itself is a controlling narcissistic behavior. (EW). That's like me asking you, did you walk in the door, stick your d1ck in her and do you want to be an a $$hole? Your answer should be No. You played, shitty session, bad chemistry.....it happens, Meh. You take the L and no matter what, donation is left. Im not saying you didn't, just sharing what proper "DECENT' protocol should be.

You said you have mongered but how can you ask a question like that?? If you 2 didn't hit it off, you didn't hit it off. You don't get to say, "Hey this sucked and I don't feel I should give you donation". Again I am not saying that what happened but I am using it as an example.

I am faaaar from a White Knight as I have had effed up situations happen to me and I have put a provider on blast but again, in your massive diatribe of a post, you never said did you "find" the money on you. So did you ?? BTW, its not her that is messaging you, its her booker.

SMH.[/QUOTE]Maybe you didn't read the entire post. Maybe I didn't type in a way that's plain and clear for you. The point is, I did not know I had the donation in my pocket until way later when she texted me asking for it. I had left the area already. Now is this clear enough for you?

Next, about teaching her a lesson question because of her bad attitude and gaslighting attempt. No that is not narcissistic. It reinforcing a contract. It's about getting what you give out. If you treat people like trash, expect to be treated like trash. Fair? Let me throw that question back at you, "Who the EF are you to think you are teaching me a lesson about teaching other people lesson?"

Some of you fellow mongers need to hold the line. Do not let these 304 treat you badly and get away with it. They took your money. They need to fulfil their end of the bargain.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6585771]Short and sweet review:

She's the girl in the pic, but got pimples on her back. Suck at sucking dick, no skills. Her compliance is bad, will not let you do certain position agreed things on her menu. Does not really honor her GFE experience. And worst of all, her attitude is dogshit, bitchy, will try to gaslight you. I DO NOT recommend seeing.

Long fun full story:

I am no beginner when it comes to monger, been at it for years starting on PD (I quit that trash site). Along my journey, I have met many, many girls. I would say that the overwhelming majority of them are okay, some are pretty damn good, some aren't so good but they're not someone I put on a DO NOT SEE, DO NOT RECOMMEND ever again list. About maybe 1 out of 20 or 30, I would say, are ban list worthy.

I met up with his girl from Hx, user name is SabrinaValentine. We screened lightly, texting was cool, everything was cool and I through her door. She sat at the corner of her bed in the other room, didn't greet me. I noticed her annoyed, "not so happy to see you" stare. It was a stare. Now I came in there, dressed up, clean cut, cologne on, greeted her with a "hey how are you?

Her energy was pretty negative. So I figured she's having a bad day.

I proceed by requesting that she use some Listerine mouth wash that I brought with me. (Yes gents, definitely ask them to do this before they give you BBBJ. You'd be surprise how it reduced your chances of getting a viral infection and killing off bacteria.) Anyhow, my exact words: "I have a small request that you use this mouth wash before we start. I always ask every provider to do this. ".

She shook her head and said no. She said, "I already had some breath mints before this. ".

I replied, "oh this isn't for breath freshening. It's for disinfecting. " She said fine, asked me to open it and used the mouth wash. She asked me to wash my hands, and after I remember pulling out my donations to give to her. Then she said to go wash my hands again. Interesting, she would give BBBJ without a using any oral disinfectant and a worry in the world but scared about touching money. Okay.

Soon after, we started off with her giving head. Here honestly, all I have to say is that she suck dick at, well sucking dick. I felt teeth and the motion was not natural.

After a little bit of that, she said to me, "can you get on top. I don't want to ride. ".

My exact reply was, "Sure. You must be tired huh?

Then she replied with an attitude, confrontational tone of voice, "Why?? Do I look tired?" It is not hard to tell if someone is giving you attitude by how they say things, not what they say. I don't need to explain this here. But keep this in mind cause we will go back to it.

I said, "It's the end of the week, most girls are tired. I'm just asking. " I'm trying to defuse the situation cause we are in the middle of it. But honestly, thinking in hindsight, I should've just cut my losses here. Actually, it was best to walk out that door when I noticed her death stare in the very beginning. Learn from my mistake gents.

We put a wrapper on, started off with me on top in mish. A few minutes in, did what I normally enjoy is light kissing of the neck. I notice soon after she didn't like that and she request to go doggy. We did that and I finished soon after cause I wasn't enjoying it any longer. I went to rinse off, came out and she's still giving me this mad dog look. Now this is where the fireworks start to fly.

I calmly and cordially said to her these exact words, "I am not sure if I did something wrong, but you seem a bit annoyed. Was it something that I did?

Her exact reply was, and remember this line, "Perhaps, maybe. " in annoyed tone. (That means yes).

Then I went on to bring up how she gave me a mad dog stare at the beginning, how she seems annoyed to just use listerine mouth wash, and the biggest kicker of all, was her attitude and how she responded to my comment about being tired.

Her reply was, "OMG it's in your head. You are probably coming in here upset and putting this on me.

Gents, this is classic narcissistic manipulation technique, it's called "flipping the trigger. " They will try to pit exactly whatever you are saying about them on to you. I have my masters in psychology.

We go back and forth. She then said, "You are assume that I look upset. She said, "what if I'm not upset but I'm actually dyslexic, got autism, or something like that?" *****, please. I wasn't born yesterday to not know when someone is giving me an attitude, being a *****, and is in a pissy mood vs them actually being autistic.

We went back and forth some more, and ultimately, she said it was all in my head. This is another classic sociopathic argument technique, gaslighting. She's denying my reality and saying what she did was totally normal. I was "overreacting. " her words.

I had enough of arguing with the energy vampire, so I left. As I got out of the door, she said, "Get the fuck out of here. ".

Okay hun.

A bit later, she texted me saying that I forgot to leave behind the donation. To be honest, I did remember touching the money and leaving it behind. But I don't remember if I somehow put it back? Maybe it was when she asked me to go wash my hands again after I pulled out the donation.

Anyhow, I was busy at the time and didn't see nor reply to her text for a few hours. She said she's really appreciated it if I come back and drop off the donation, smiley happy face emoji. Okay hun. You've been such a doll.

Now I had driven out of the area already. I am not a thief and was seriously considering dropping off her donation. Bu considering what I went through? I would NOT want to go through that again even if she PAID me that money instead.

What would you do in this situation gents? How would you handle this from the very beginning? Would you have kept the money to teach her a lesson or send it back?[/QUOTE]I've been reading this story in the other thread and it's got me cracking up. First you guys are throwing around the white knight / capt save a ho term alot concerning this. This is not a white knight situation nor the best to describe it. I've dealt with real white knights / captsaveaho's and it's alot more involved than this. This is only about being honest and paying for services rendered or not.

An old term that we used to use during the golden days of non-pros is "smash and dash" and better applies in this situation. Meaning you fuck a chic and take off without paying. I knew some dudes that used to do that. I didn't think highly of that and was not my modus operandis. In my personal experience there was one non-pro that I accidentally shorted a 20 on her cash and she messaged me about it. I apologized to her and met up later that day again and I gave her the 20. There were two chics that were UTRs that claimed I didn't pay them but I had. And we were going back and forth by text with them wanting me to pay them. I told them to keep checking and both eventually found the cash and apologized. One thing when I pay for services I do not put it in an envelope. For all anybody knows there could be monopoly money, cut papers to look like money or fake money in there. I always give them cash they can see is real money and I always say put it in a safe place you won't forget.

Now you yourself should know if you paid her or not. By when you got home and checked your pockets you'd still see the cash or envelope I believe you mentioned. It's up to you if you didn't pay her and still not want to pay her. And be a jerk and have completed a smash and dash. Or you could do the honest thing if you realize you still have the money and didn't pay her, and go pay her. At this point though it seems to late since she's blocked you and doesn't want anything to do with you anymore. So it looks like she's washed herself of it and time to put this situation to rest.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6587971]You keep bringing up white knights as if they need help. If you have been paying for sex for 2 decades, you will know how things work. But obviously, you don't. So I have to shoot you down.[/QUOTE]You were acting like a white knight, coming to milady's rescue there. I obviously don't know how things work? Coming from a guy who can't read the menu and knows how listerine works? Please.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6587971]
My last first date on Enclave told me she earned 6 figures last year but blew it. That's low but I'm not surprised by their low frequency of turning up. There are some well-known HX MILF progressing to GILF who won't bother to turn up for less than $500. They had a run for years, multi-6-figures each. Now they have financial freedom and wouldn't risk being rejected at first sight after preparing an hour to patch their face and unclog their plumbing. I'm sure they are more easily over it than you do. What else? Find somebody to retrieve your QV rate? Give you a bad rating?
This is rambling and irrelevant to what we are talking about.

I want to say something because I can vouch for her robotness and her unique BBBJ, LOL. Is this a bad thing? If she still has a QV rate, what do you expect?
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[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6587971]
Now if I can get a refund for every unsatisfactory service, I will be rich!
[/QUOTE]Unsatisfied service is a very understate phrase here. There is a huge difference between a guy being unsatisfied of a girls performance vs. Her giving him a bad attitude, not honoring her menu, dissing him, gaslighting, and telling him to GTFO. And if you think it's totally normally to be treated that way, you got some self respect issue. If you are paying for a good time and coming on as a gentlemen with the right energy and attitude, it is now up to the provider to hold their end of the deal and provide you the good time.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6587971]
You confessed you started it all. All you need is a needle to put anything you want in the mouthwash. If DFK / LFK isn't on the menu, why would you think you have the right to kiss her neck?

Now if you can find me a girl (other than k-houses or c-houses) who will let me wash her body including her feet and let me kiss anywhere not explicitly mentioned on their menu and I'll be a happy man. Even in k-houses and c-houses, they normally won't let you wash them, not thoroughly. You always have to leave the tub first without knowing what they do after.

(not that I didn't read, your "messaging" isn't the correct word).[/QUOTE]I did not confessed that I started it all. You need to learn to read between the lines better. You keep bringing up this lame argument how the listerine was an issue. It is NOT. I have been requesting and doing this for years. I never had a girl who had issue with it. Secondly, if a guy came through that door intending to harm, rob, rape the girl, you know what's the most common way? With a gun or a knife. Not supposedly drugging people with stuff they put in a mouth wash. Get your facts straight. This is what my female friends whom are in the business tell me. It's always with a weapon.

Third, I also offered to use the mouth wash myself. Now explain to me genius, how do you suppose that someone drugged a mouth wash and then offer to use it themselves? What do they have an antidote that they took beforehand? Absurd.

For the record, this is what her menu says verbatim: "I enjoy providing a loving GFE experience that includes: - FBSM. LFK / DFK. BBBJ - BLS. DATY - DATO (on me only) - FIA / FIV / DDP ".

Do you at least acknowledge that the word GFE and LFK / DFG is there?

Your argument has made no sense. From what I can see, you are white knighting for bad female behavior. Have some standards for yourself. Expect people to treat you better and your fellow guy mongers.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588199]You were acting like a white knight, coming to milady's rescue there. I obviously don't know how things work? Coming from a guy who can't read the menu and knows how listerine works? Please. [/QUOTE]That's your problem. You read the menu of the manufacturer and take it as real. The fact is many research proved otherwise.

[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30839-2/fulltext[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33676596/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Unsatisfied service is a very understate phrase here. There is a huge difference between a guy being unsatisfied of a girls performance vs. Her giving him a bad attitude, not honoring her menu, dissing him, gaslighting, and telling him to GTFO. And if you think it's totally normally to be treated that way, you got some self respect issue. If you are paying for a good time and coming on as a gentlemen with the right energy and attitude, it is now up to the provider to hold their end of the deal and provide you the good time.[/QUOTE]You are disrespecting yourself big time. You started it. It takes two to tango. You could have GTFO as requested instead of being dissed and gaslighted. For them beaches it doesn't matter. As long as you paid upfront, you can put it in.

[QUOTE]I did not confessed that I started it all. You need to learn to read between the lines better. You keep bringing up this lame argument how the listerine was an issue. It is NOT. I have been requesting and doing this for years. I never had a girl who had issue with it. Secondly, if a guy came through that door intending to harm, rob, rape the girl, you know what's the most common way? With a gun or a knife. Not supposedly drugging people with stuff they put in a mouth wash. Get your facts straight. This is what my female friends whom are in the business tell me. It's always with a weapon.

Third, I also offered to use the mouth wash myself. Now explain to me genius, how do you suppose that someone drugged a mouth wash and then offer to use it themselves? What do they have an antidote that they took beforehand? Absurd.[/QUOTE]You did confess you stepped on somebody's nerve by the mouthwash and neck kissing.

You confess that you have been asking ladies to use your mouthwash you brought for years, which is stupid in many ways. If you think it normal, it's absolutely not. Well, let's see who defend you on this.

You confess that you believed a myth that plenty of medical research shows otherwise.

[QUOTE]For the record, this is what her menu says verbatim: "I enjoy providing a loving GFE experience that includes: - FBSM. LFK / DFK. BBBJ - BLS. DATY - DATO (on me only) - FIA / FIV / DDP ".

Do you at least acknowledge that the word GFE and LFK / DFG is there?

Your argument has made no sense. From what I can see, you are white knighting for bad female behavior. Have some standards for yourself. Expect people to treat you better and your fellow guy mongers.[/QUOTE]If I can get a refund for not honoring menus, I'll be rich. If you GTFO when you discover non-compliance, you may still have a case. If you went along, there's no excuse.

It's also very common that the bookers write whatever and the ladies don't know anything about it. If there's no GFE on it bookers don't get any bookings. That's the 2nd offense after fake pictures.

And may I ask which package you selected? QV and GFE don't mix. If QV is on the menu, you should doubt very much how good can the GFE be. Also, the list of menu items isn't available for all packages. Even in the past in k-houses, some DDGs didn't DFK for half an hour bookings. In general, they have to differentiate their packages other than just the time. If you book the basic package, it doesn't matter if you come back or not. You are welcome if you upgrade next time for more.

Hey, it's not just me. Nobody will defend you other than those who have a hatred of providers for whatever reasons. They wish they could get a refund for any unsatisfactory service. It's not going to happen. Or I'll be rich.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6588189]I've been reading this story in the other thread and it's got me cracking up. First you guys are throwing around the white knight / capt save a ho term alot concerning this. This is not a white knight situation nor the best to describe it. I've dealt with real white knights / captsaveaho's and it's alot more involved than this. This is only about being honest and paying for services rendered or not.

An old term that we used to use during the golden days of non-pros is "smash and dash" and better applies in this situation. Meaning you fuck a chic and take off without paying. I knew some dudes that used to do that. I didn't think highly of that and was not my modus operandis. In my personal experience there was one non-pro that I accidentally shorted a 20 on her cash and she messaged me about it. I apologized to her and met up later that day again and I gave her the 20. There were two chics that were UTRs that claimed I didn't pay them but I had. And we were going back and forth by text with them wanting me to pay them. I told them to keep checking and both eventually found the cash and apologized. One thing when I pay for services I do not put it in an envelope. For all anybody knows there could be monopoly money, cut papers to look like money or fake money in there. I always give them cash they can see is real money and I always say put it in a safe place you won't forget.

Now you yourself should know if you paid her or not. By when you got home and checked your pockets you'd still see the cash or envelope I believe you mentioned. It's up to you if you didn't pay her and still not want to pay her. And be a jerk and have completed a smash and dash. Or you could do the honest thing if you realize you still have the money and didn't pay her, and go pay her. At this point though it seems to late since she's blocked you and doesn't want anything to do with you anymore. So it looks like she's washed herself of it and time to put this situation to rest.[/QUOTE]See, the way you are responding is neutral. I can listen and respect that. As most of the replies to my little situation here. They've been pretty neutral.

But the way James D was replying and how he was making arguments against me, offering to message her, making argument about how requesting providers use listerine is my fault, ridiculous. I saw it as white knighting and him trying to one up on me, saying I'm a noob and shit.

Going back to my situation. Let's be clear about a few things.

1. I'm a man of honor. Stealing is beneath me so I never steal. However, I will get even if someone wronged me, no matter what.

2. What happened was unintentional. I never hit and ran. Never planned to either.

3. I realized I had the donation after she texted me when I was long gone from the place.

4. I did try to text her back and messaged her on hx. She blocked me on both apparently.

5. At that point, I am over it and I think she is too.

6. Again, if I was PAID to experience what I experienced, I would not do it. Chalk it up to my loss and hers.

[QUOTE=HoeWhisperer;6587652]You're a clown. You stole from that girl. She fucked sucked and made you cum. She did what she was there to do and held up her end of the deal. You robbed her. You're lucky the booker didn't give you a red mark.

I've also seen Sabrina and I don't doubt that she had an attitude or was rude but if you complete the session you pay the money. Guys like you are why the site is going to shit.[/QUOTE]"I've seen Sabrina and I doubt that she had an attitude or was rude. ".

Simping aint easy is it? Guys like you are the reason why these 304 can get away with having GSP, attitude, and trash service. Grow a backbone. Stand up to what is yours. If a provider gives you a bad time, speak up. I bet you just shut your mouth and walk out like a puppy. If more guys actually did something, say something about the bad service, we all would benefit and have a great time, as it should be. But nope. Instead of standing up for standards and a brother monger, you choose to simp.
These providers know you won't do anything. So they repeat the same shit to the next guy.

And know the definition of stealing and robbing first. Then we can have a real conversation.

[QUOTE=KoolKeith323;6587421]The white knights are just as stupid, thinking they'll get so many brownie points hoping to get freebies. I'll never forget a very well known provider (not saying who) telling me ladies don't give a shit about them either, and use their dumb asses just to get info and gifts tattle telling like a kid, thinking they'll get "extras, hanging out off the clock discounts, or freebies" before and during sessions. LOL![/QUOTE]That's spot on. This doesn't apply just to provider and clients. It's in real life guys dating girls situations. The moment a man simp, white knight for a girl, she will lose respect for him. She sees him as a beta cuck, someone she can manipulate, use, keep around as a pet to entertain her for scraps. Meanwhile, the bad boys, the chad and tyrones are blowing her back for free and she's having the hardest orgasm of her life. Mr. White knight wonders why she hasn't texted him back. LOL.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588377]See, the way you are responding is neutral. I can listen and respect that. As most of the replies to my little situation here. They've been pretty neutral.

But the way James D was replying and how he was making arguments against me, offering to message her, making argument about how requesting providers use listerine is my fault, ridiculous. I saw it as white knighting and him trying to one up on me, saying I'm a noob and shit.

Going back to my situation. Let's be clear about a few things.

1. I'm a man of honor. Stealing is beneath me so I never steal. However, I will get even if someone wronged me, no matter what.

2. What happened was unintentional. I never hit and ran. Never planned to either.

3. I realized I had the donation after she texted me when I was long gone from the place.

4. I did try to text her back and messaged her on hx. She blocked me on both apparently.

5. At that point, I am over it and I think she is too.

6. Again, if I was PAID to experience what I experienced, I would not do it. Chalk it up to my loss and hers.[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me. You realized your mistake and tried to rectify it. Somehow though the negative vibes between you two messed that up and she has blocked you and she has moved on. Time for you to move on too and squash this. Que sera, sera. On to the next sweet ass!

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6588450]Sounds good to me. You realized your mistake and tried to rectify it. Somehow though the negative vibes between you two messed that up and she has blocked you and she has moved on. Time for you to move on too and squash this. Que sera, sera. On to the next sweet ass![/QUOTE]
It was no surprise that she wouldn't want anything to do with me after the encounter. The feeling was mutual. Trust me. I hate bad attitude, shitty service provider use gaslighting to deny their wrong doing. She said to me it was all in my head. Please, I've been with over hundreds of girls in my life. I know when they are giving me an attitude vs them being dyslexic, not careful with their words, or being unintentional.

I was curious how my fellow mongers would have handle it if they were in my situation. Would a guy who felt like he was wronged honestly drove back to the hotel and give her the money despite what happened? Wasting your time, gas, energy, and seeing that face again after she told you to GTFO. Questionable.

Anyway. What's done is done. Moving on. I got feel of some of the attitudes and mindset of the fellow mongers on here.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6587989]I know you hate these *es. Are you advocating that we should force a refund after every bad service?[/QUOTE]

Give it up simp. That 304 got what she deserved.

Worse than stiffing the girl is bringing the drama of your BS move to the forum for some kind of "look how strong my pimp hand is" flex.

Grow up.

[QUOTE=LC310;6588594]Worse than stiffing the girl is bringing the drama of your BS move to the forum for some kind of "look how strong my pimp hand is" flex.

Grow up.[/QUOTE]Stiffing the girl? Then bringing drama?

Can you be anymore dramatic? How many times do I have to repeat myself about this incident being an accident? And that she blocked me from contacting her. I am not going to hunt her down, drive there, and give the donation. We're over this.

But you fools keep on taking the girl's side. Alright, simp away. Remember when shit like this happen to you, I hope the other clowns will simp and take the girl side too.

Apparently, men are thought to see each other as a threat and competition instead of bros these days.

Give it up if you can't answer the question, only calling names.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588377]See, the way you are responding is neutral. I can listen and respect that. As most of the replies to my little situation here. They've been pretty neutral.
[/QUOTE]They fail. You didn't learn anything.

[QUOTE]But the way James D was replying and how he was making arguments against me, offering to message her, making argument about how requesting providers use Listerine is my fault, ridiculous. I saw it as white knighting and him trying to one up on me, saying I'm a noob and shit.
[/QUOTE]Do you wonder why I got so many post counts? It's over when I say over. Nobody else defends you on the Listerine. You can call names but someone else says you don't even know the definition. The fact is, you cum, didn't pay.

[QUOTE]Going back to my situation. Let's be clear about a few things.

1. I'm a man of honor. Stealing is beneath me so I never steal. However, I will get even if someone wronged me, no matter what.[/QUOTE]Hearsay from the man's own mouth. Should I take you seriously? You cum, didn't pay. That's not get even.

[QUOTE]2. What happened was unintentional. I never hit and ran. Never planned to either.
[/QUOTE]Does anyone believe this? It doesn't matter. You cum, didn't pay.

[QUOTE]3. I realized I had the donation after she texted me when I was long gone from the place.
[/QUOTE]That's what you want me to believe.

[QUOTE]4. I did try to text her back and messaged her on hx. She blocked me on both apparently.
[/QUOTE]That's not an excuse. It's too easy give someone some money. Do you even need help?

[QUOTE]5. At that point, I am over it and I think she is too.
[/QUOTE]You THINK for her? She doesn't think you will pay. It's easier to get over it when you are keeping the money, LOL.

[QUOTE]6. Again, if I was PAID to experience what I experienced, I would not do it. Chalk it up to my loss and hers.[/QUOTE]You should have GTFO before cumming.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588381]"I've seen Sabrina and I doubt that she had an attitude or was rude. ".

Simping aint easy is it? Guys like you are the reason why these 304 can get away with having GSP, attitude, and trash service. Grow a backbone. Stand up to what is yours. If a provider gives you a bad time, speak up. I bet you just shut your mouth and walk out like a puppy. If more guys actually did something, say something about the bad service, we all would benefit and have a great time, as it should be. But nope. Instead of standing up for standards and a brother monger, you choose to simp.
These providers know you won't do anything. So they repeat the same shit to the next guy.

And know the definition of stealing and robbing first. Then we can have a real conversation.[/QUOTE]LOL, how many people you have insulted? All of the Asian house patrons. It's they who tolerate fake pictures and review by skimming over the pictures. Same as all the TER reviews that abuse the meaning of "picture accurate". If everybody grows a backbone and solves the problem of non-compliance and unsatisfactory service, there's no need for reviews and forums. Since you cum, it's only civilized to walk out without the money. Shame on you for trying to justify it.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588603]Stiffing the girl? Then bringing drama?

Can you be anymore dramatic? How many times do I have to repeat myself about this incident being an accident? And that she blocked me from contacting her. I am not going to hunt her down, drive there, and give the donation. We're over this.

But you fools keep on taking the girl's side. Alright, simp away. Remember when shit like this happen to you, I hope the other clowns will simp and take the girl side too.

Apparently, men are thought to see each other as a threat and competition instead of bros these days.[/QUOTE]Seeing a prostitute is one of the oldest types of transactions in the world. If you can't figure out how to do it, keep it to yourself.

[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;6587750]It's not a big deal. No one gives a shit. ***** didn't get paid. So what? She had attitude and trash service. It is what it is. You guys talking about doing "right" yet you're in this hobby LOL.[/QUOTE]Bidnezz is bidnezz. You know that.

[QUOTE=HoeWhisperer;6587652]You're a clown. You stole from that girl. She fucked sucked and made you cum. She did what she was there to do and held up her end of the deal. You robbed her. You're lucky the booker didn't give you a red mark.

I've also seen Sabrina and I don't doubt that she had an attitude or was rude but if you complete the session you pay the money. Guys like you are why the site is going to shit.[/QUOTE]BINGO! You said, "You are a clown" LOLOLO.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588603]Stiffing the girl? Then bringing drama?

Can you be anymore dramatic? How many times do I have to repeat myself about this incident being an accident? And that she blocked me from contacting her. I am not going to hunt her down, drive there, and give the donation. We're over this.

But you fools keep on taking the girl's side. Alright, simp away. Remember when shit like this happen to you, I hope the other clowns will simp and take the girl side too.

Apparently, men are thought to see each other as a threat and competition instead of bros these days.[/QUOTE]After all these posts, You STILL STILL STILL haven't answered the question. Did you or did you not find the money you "though you left?

Bro. You are wrong. It's not about being a simp. You put your dang dang in her, end of story.

[QUOTE=LC310;6588667]Seeing a prostitute is one of the oldest types of transactions in the world. If you can't figure out how to do it, keep it to yourself.[/QUOTE]What a stupid comment.

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6588682]After all these posts, You STILL STILL STILL haven't answered the question. Did you or did you not find the money you "though you left?

Bro. You are wrong. It's not about being a simp. You put your dang dang in her, end of story.[/QUOTE]Do you know how to read? I have answered it in my very first post. Then I answered it for the second time on my second post, just for you.

I see where you are coming from now. You're just a jackass troll coming into this with the intention to start a fight with me. Either you are an ignorant clown who likes to start fight with people you don't know, or worse, THINK you know, or you are a simp for girls like her. Either way, I get where you are coming from now.

How about this. Read the whole damn post before you come into a conversation with half banked info, assume things like an ass clown, and then talk like a man. Let's go with that.

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6588676]Bidnezz is bidnezz. You know that.[/QUOTE]Do you know what business is? Business is when two people agreed on terms.

The guy agree to give the girl the money. The girl agrees to provide service and good time, that means a reasonable attitude.

She failed to uphold her menu. Her attitude was dogshit. Tell me, how is that business? I guess for people like you, it's a normal thing to accept dogshit attitude from providers huh? Just walk out of there and tuck your tail between your legs, don't speak up and check her on her bad attitude and how she failed to held her end of the bargain? Got it.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588706]Do you know what business is? Business is when two people agreed on terms.

The guy agree to give the girl the money. The girl agrees to provide service and good time, that means a reasonable attitude.

She failed to uphold her menu. Her attitude was dogshit. Tell me, how is that business? I guess for people like you, it's a normal thing to accept dogshit attitude from providers huh? Just walk out of there and tuck your tail between your legs, don't speak up and check her on her bad attitude and how she failed to held her end of the bargain? Got it.[/QUOTE]Whatever makes you feel better is fine. Think what you want to think. Justification and rationalization are powerful things. The people who have posted the same thoughts on you and your actions, (or lack thereof in the this case), incl myself, we are all wrong. You are right.

SMH.

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6588676]Bidnezz is bidnezz. You know that.[/QUOTE]I don't give a shit if a 304 gets stiffed, especially a 304 with bad service.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6588622]Give it up if you can't answer the question, only calling names.[/QUOTE]You're a simp. That's all there is to it. She not going to fuck you for free for siding with her LOL.

[QUOTE=GuysTT2;6588753]Whatever makes you feel better is fine. Think what you want to think. Justification and rationalization are powerful things. The people who have posted the same thoughts on you and your actions, (or lack thereof in the this case), incl myself, we are all wrong. You are right.

SMH.[/QUOTE]So now you are appealing the number. Just cause the "majority" are saying something, it must be they're right.

Centuries ago, just about everyone thought the sun revolves around the earth. I'm sure they were right. "SMH. ".

Stupid kids these days can't think for themselves so they think as a mob, such bravery.

I have said this before and I'll repeat again, you and other mongers who've been simping need to have standards and expectation. You need to hold these 304 to a standard. Hold the damn line. You don't let them get away with dogshit service and attitude when you are paying them for a good time.

[QUOTE=SuelyBrah;6588381]"I've seen Sabrina and I doubt that she had an attitude or was rude. ".

Simping aint easy is it? Guys like you are the reason why these 304 can get away with having GSP, attitude, and trash service. Grow a backbone. Stand up to what is yours. If a provider gives you a bad time, speak up. I bet you just shut your mouth and walk out like a puppy. If more guys actually did something, say something about the bad service, we all would benefit and have a great time, as it should be. But nope. Instead of standing up for standards and a brother monger, you choose to simp.
These providers know you won't do anything. So they repeat the same shit to the next guy.

And know the definition of stealing and robbing first. Then we can have a real conversation.[/QUOTE]You changed my words in your post. I said "I don't doubt she had an attitude". Don't try slick shit like that. She's not a great provider but you completed the session and didn't pay. You stole. That's what stealing is. It doesn't matter what your "intent" was, and honestly it sounds like you did it on purpose. You forgot you picked up the money after you put it down? Right.