Addiction and other behaviors
(climbs on soapbox).
Addiction is not a simple issue. And various opinions are being expressed in this thread. And some good factual information thrown in too by A2. I am no expert, but from some of what I have read and heard about I think that brain chemistry is a major factor in a lot of human behaviors. We are "normal" when brain chemistry is what it should be, and when the brain chemistry goes awry a variety of maladies result. Obviously addiction is one of these, but not the only one. I think mental illness is also mostly maladjusted brain chemistry. And if I remember right homosexuality is also very likely a brain chemistry phenomenon. Not something that, according to some ignorant conservative bigots, people freely choose for themselves. Not sure how certain the proof is yet, but I think there seems to be a good case for a genetic predisposition to addiction. And addiction comes in many forms, not just drugs. Gambling is another obvious example. So I totally agree with other opinions such as in this thread that treating drug dependency as a physical illness is the right approach. It is clear that criminalizing all drugs, and prostitution, creates a lot of problems and, in my personal opinion, is proven to be an unsuccessful approach which results in a lot of damage to a lot of people.
Maybe someday we can finally move past the legacy of some of the tyrannical Puritans who were so high and mighty about knowing what is right for all of us and ruthlessly enforcing their narrow moral vision. So let's get rid of that ridiculous HB2 which has already significantly damaged our state in more ways than one. Let's legalize and manage prostitution which will eliminate a lot of crime and health issues. And let's treat drug addicts with some compassion and medical help to get clean; more crime and health issues eliminated.
My two cents worth. If you don't agree you can flame away.
(climbs off soapbox).
RE: Fappernator the Troll
[QUOTE=Fappernator]
You just violated the rules that were right there in your fucking face.
"Effective immediately, posters in the Raleigh forum are prohibited from criticizing, complaining about or discussing other forum members.
This restriction is necessary to stop the endlessly pointless rhetoric.
The 1st violation will result in the perpetrator being placed on Permanent Moderation status.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing I saw your 1st post in the BP thread and hated it, didn't agree with anything you were saying, thougt you were being an idiot. But, fine, figured it was your first post and you didn't know that "opinions" should go here. Then, you posted another idiot post in the News thread and that's when I made the determination that you are a troll. I reported your post to A2 and flamed you in the correct thread. You're being an asshole. I'm happy you have been labeled an idiot. You're not a victim, you're an antagonist of the worst kind. You are the weak. You are pathetic. You are a troll.
Are we on the same page. ?
[QUOTE=Admin2;3180185]I didn't modify any of your posts, I deleted one. I changed your user title because you are an idiot. Well to be completely honest you're probably not an idiot, you're clueless, you're clueless because you have accepted incorrect information as truth because you have heard it so often. I have no doubt at all that you looked for studies to support your position and after finding there are none decided to say that you won't waste your time looking for them because to admit that your assertions are not supported by fact would be tantamount to admitting you are incorrect. You have not been banned, your posts have not been modified, what's happening is that you are losing the argument, and you are losing this argument because you are wrong.
Addicts are not weak, addicts have a disease, saying they are weak is the same as saying somebody with cancer is weak. You're just restating Nancy Reagan's ridiculous "just say no" campaign.
You're again talking about the pharmacological root of addiction which has been debunked. If it was correct then EVERYBODY who had opiates mis-prescribed would end up with addiction issues. They don't, addicts are predisposed to addiction, this is nothing new, look at the effects of alcohol on Eskimos when Europeans started trading with them. They drank rum to the point where they stopped fishing and died. And with some people, their entire lives have sucked so bad that they lack the capacity to not do the drugs. They are also fucking surrounded by drugs.
Here you are being a fucking idiot. As I told you in the PM, when I added the special restrictions in Raleigh I opened this thread for the specific purpose of posts like this, so no, hes not violating a rule right there in his fucking face.[/QUOTE]While I see the points both A2 and Fappernator are making here. I have learnt a lot from this discussion. As a bystander I would like to point out that, maybe the base problem / audience each of you is addressing is different. (some of it exacerbated by reading people's words literally than in spirit maybe?
Common points:
Main one: Addiction is a disease.
I think that is the most important common point and we all are on agreement there.
Discord point:
Did the addiction happen by conscious choice or otherwise.
Both are possible.
But in this context, A2 is right, as the folks we are talking about here are mostly those who come from eco-systems where drug-use is already rampant.
Basically, they didnot have the same options as a "normal" bring up would have given them. That is probably one reason why we should try to empathize their usage / addiction from their shoes.
That said, when we see teenagers from affluent / ample-provided backgrounds succumb to drug use (bsaically first-gen users). I personally feel the society (being friends and family around them) around them is as much responsible as much as the victim is. No body can escape the blame there.
I feel A2 is referring to folks who are coming from the eco-system where their background made gave them no option to use drug at some point in their "not-so-perfect" bringup.
While Fappernator is probably referring to the first-gen drug users where there is some element of conscious choice (recreation use gone from bad choice to worse).