"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So things are getting a bit more stable. After my whirlwind POT interview and qualification process. I am going to be reviewing a much shorter but more satisfying list for today.

REVVOATF: Going great. We just do not see each other so much. I am doing her for 250 about three times per month. I think I can get her to 800 per month retainer and fuck her around 5 to six times per month. She is awesome. 10/9/10, and fucks like a little rabbit. Loves to suck my cock and never creates any problems for me. In fact she is always looking for ways to help me. I am out of town for a business trip and I am extending it and flying her out to be with me for a few days. She told me she wants to see how many nuts she can get out of me. I am excited. I have been saving up all of my sperm for the week for her. Have not seen her since last Friday, and she is coming into town tonight. I am going to tear that little ass up! Dammit man when this hobby is right it is really right!

REVVO_OLD_ATF:This one is going very good but interesting. Remember this is my old ATF and she came back to me. Really hurting for money. But things are a little different. I have her on per visit, probation. She is very cool very beautiful. 40 YO white MILF, dark hair and clear blue eyes that look right through you. 9/8/10 A personality that would be the envy of any many around her. So we met twice last week visited the FC and had a really good time. Fucked her hard. Real hard. In fact I pound her as hard as I possible can until sweat is coming off of me and I am worn out. And she is loving every moment of it. And when she comes she is not as vocal as some but her pussy does the talking, she comes all over my dick and her pussy just continues to crawl all over my cock after I am done. But hey I left her sore and happy. The interesting part is she is not nearly as loving and complimentary as she used to be. And I have noticed this. When someone treats you so good and then they don't you can.

't help but notice. So it cause me concern. It may just be her way of protecting herself. Or she may be preparing to leave again. We will have to see. She is all for seeing me again when I get back from my trips. But I do not hold my breath with any of these babies. Man I really like this one.

REVVOPOT4: Flaked not sure what happened to her. Cutting her lose. She will have to come to me.

REVVOSB1:This used to be REVVOPOT7. I am going to keep her for a while. She is so sweet and fairly cute. 7/7/10 I can't deprive her of my injections of dick and cash. She is patiently waiting for me to return. She is going to make a great booty call SB. Only 150 and she will of course do anything. Love her to death.

REVVOSB2:This used to be REVVOPOT8. I am going to keep her for a while. Give me some experience training a 18yo latina / asian SB. She is being a good girl for now I will keep her around. But will drop her if she gets crazy. Another booty call girl. There is a little hope here.

Thats it list is much shorter. I would do a little investigating on the SDFORME site but my membership has expired and it will not let me resign up. I have tried several times with a valid gift card. But no go. They keep sending me emails to resign but they do not respond to my emails. I do not know how to get in touch with them so don't know what to do. Shitty business model. If any of you guys know how to get through to these fools let me know.

Oh well off to pick up my little ATF at the airport, and spend three days playing and fucking and fucking and playing. Yes sometimes life is good.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

I just had the best experience that I have had in years, and thanks are due to all of you. I've read through the thread over the last couple of months searching for wisdom. I applied the little pieces of genius I found diligently. When I realized I had been lazy with my profile, I worked to improve it. When shown the way included many "no's" to get to a yes, I worked harder. I have emailed and texted, had at least a couple of awkward meet and greets, but today I was rewarded. My little country girl just left. I caught her on her first day posting, as directed by the elders. I quickly moved began texting with her, and we built a rapport. I was solicitous as to her hopes and dreams. We scheduled a lunch meeting for today, then her work schedule changed. When she texted gushing apologies, I was calm. We met and she was visibly nervous at first. I soothed her as we chatted for an hour or two, enjoying a good conversation with a sweet, bright girl. After a while I asked if I could kiss her. Two hours later she left my bed with a smile. She is 23, white. 5'2", maybe 100 lbs, and tastes like heaven. She never brought up money once and was thrilled with the $ I gave her. We will meet again on Sunday or Monday. I may weep for joy.

I was already feeling good after another meet and greet I had on Monday. My inked princess is 24, white, blond. 5'4" and about 110. We had dinner and drinks and talked for a good two hours. She is smart, funny, and good company. She brought up her financial difficulties several times but wasn't obnoxious about it. She indicated that she wasn't ready to go right to a physical relationship. I made sure she understood that this is part of the arrangement I am seeking, but said that I would love to see her again for dinner. I told her that I respected her boundaries and wouldn't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. When I walked her to the car, she gave me a kiss that hinted of the bounty to be unlocked. I broke protocol then by giving her a little gas money. I know that is potentially disastrous, but sometimes you have to make an investment. We have texted every day since and will get together again next week after the holiday weekend. If I can close her, then that will be two high quality, beautiful young babies. I will go to the other 2-3 meet and greets scheduled, but I will be very happy with the gifts I am receiving.

Life is good.

I have used all of the booking services. I am using Trivago now and they are pretty good. Hotels will let you check in early. Sometimes you will get a dickhead front desk clerk. But just remember he is just a clerk. Be polite use some charm. If that does not work then ask for the manager.

Sometimes they are just busy. But usually you can get a room at 12 or 1, even earlier sometimes.

Checkout is nothing. I just leave. Don't even leave the key. Those things are disposable nowadays.

Also sign up for all of the travel services and check the box that says contact you for deals and specials. That way you can line up really good deals in the future.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Dsprdo; 1770034]I just had the best experience that I have had in years, and thanks are due to all of you. I've read through the thread over the last couple of months searching for wisdom. I applied the little pieces of genius I found diligently. When I realized I had been lazy with my profile, I worked to improve it. When shown the way included many "no's" to get to a yes, I worked harder. I have emailed and texted, had at least a couple of awkward meet and greets, but today I was rewarded. My little country girl just left. I caught her on her first day posting, as directed by the elders. I quickly moved began texting with her, and we built a rapport. I was solicitous as to her hopes and dreams. We scheduled a lunch meeting for today, then her work schedule changed. When she texted gushing apologies, I was calm. We met and she was visibly nervous at first. I soothed her as we chatted for an hour or two, enjoying a good conversation with a sweet, bright girl. After a while I asked if I could kiss her. Two hours later she left my bed with a smile. She is 23, white. 5'2", maybe 100 lbs, and tastes like heaven. She never brought up money once and was thrilled with the $ I gave her. We will meet again on Sunday or Monday. I may weep for joy.

I was already feeling good after another meet and greet I had on Monday. My inked princess is 24, white, blond. 5'4" and about 110. We had dinner and drinks and talked for a good two hours. She is smart, funny, and good company. She brought up her financial difficulties several times but wasn't obnoxious about it. She indicated that she wasn't ready to go right to a physical relationship. I made sure she understood that this is part of the arrangement I am seeking, but said that I would love to see her again for dinner. I told her that I respected her boundaries and wouldn't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. When I walked her to the car, she gave me a kiss that hinted of the bounty to be unlocked. I broke protocol then by giving her a little gas money. I know that is potentially disastrous, but sometimes you have to make an investment. We have texted every day since and will get together again next week after the holiday weekend. If I can close her, then that will be two high quality, beautiful young babies. I will go to the other 2-3 meet and greets scheduled, but I will be very happy with the gifts I am receiving.

Life is good.[/QUOTE]Totally on target. You the man now. And it only gets better. Until it gets worse. LOL

[QUOTE=Dsprdo; 1770034]I just had the best experience that I have had in years. My little country girl just left. We met and she was visibly nervous at first. I soothed her as we chatted for an hour or two, enjoying a good conversation with a sweet, bright girl. After a while I asked if I could kiss her. Two hours later she left my bed with a smile. She is 23, white. 5'2", maybe 100 lbs, and tastes like heaven. She never brought up money once and was thrilled with the $ I gave her. We will meet again on Sunday or Monday. I may weep for joy.

Life is good.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the joys of the Bowl, D, and particularly the joys of the SNB!! I firmly believe there is no finer or more rewarding pursuit, even given all the frustrations we endure to get to the prize. Way back towards the beginning of this thread, Lit posted something about the unique thrill of the first kiss with a new baby, and feeling her wet pussy for the very first time. It was pure poetry, and that experience, I believe, is what keeps us going, and can truly be the Fountain of Youth! It's not for everyone, and certainly requires more work and money than other hobbies one might engage in, but what a transcendant experience it can be to find yourself between the flawless thighs of someone less than half your age!

Keep up the good work, my brother, and don't forget to write!

Scott

So I may be on the verge of closing a deal on what would be my first real SB. Last month I ended up with what turned out to be an UTR which I recognized too late-a very unsatisfying experience.

I'm thinking a Green Dot card might be the right thing, but I'm worried about deep cover. I presume there is a way to log on to check balances and history and whatnot. The SB would probably want to be able to do that. What I *don't* want is my personal information (which I believe refillable cards require you provide up front) to be accessible.

I know a number of you have used GD cards, what's the scoop? In a pinch I can just use One Vanilla cards, but those have issues with zeroing the balance, having to get new ones, etc.

Thanks much.

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1770613]So I may be on the verge of closing a deal on what would be my first real SB. Last month I ended up with what turned out to be an UTR which I recognized too late-a very unsatisfying experience.

I'm thinking a Green Dot card might be the right thing, but I'm worried about deep cover. I presume there is a way to log on to check balances and history and whatnot. The SB would probably want to be able to do that. What I *don't* want is my personal information (which I believe refillable cards require you provide up front) to be accessible.

I know a number of you have used GD cards, what's the scoop? In a pinch I can just use One Vanilla cards, but those have issues with zeroing the balance, having to get new ones, etc.

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming you are asking about how to transfer the sugar to your new baby? If so, have her get her own card, activate it herself with her own name, info etc, and then you can just purchase, with cash, a refill card and send her the number, which she then uses to add the amount to her card. Simple as can be. Keep in mind, however, this is the preferred method for scammers, since once you give her the number, you are essentially giving her the money, and she doesn't have to do shit for you afterwards, even though her brakes are now fixed and she can finally drive to meet you like she promised LOL!

If, however, you are asking about getting a green dot card for yourself to use for things like hotels, meals etc, I recently did this, and used my Sugar name, (not my real one) and my work address, and all went through without a snag. I now have a card I can load up at will, and use on Orbitz, Priceline, and so on, and even at restaurants, since it doesn't have my name printed on it, so no worries about the waitress coming back with the bill and saying,"thank you, Mr. X", and thus having my cover blown. Plus, when I use it online, it thinks I am my Sugar name, so I believe it to be totally footprint-proof, except perhaps by a wiley divorce lawyer, by which point my goose is cooked anyway.

As for your unsatisfying experience with an undercover pro, don't beat yourself up over it too much. We all, I dare say, have had this same sad experience. Try to learn from it. Were there tell-tale signs that the little brain told you to ignore? Was there a moment when you could have bailed but didn't? What would you do differently next time? We often learn far more from our mistakes than our successes. Onward, my brother.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1770746]I'm assuming you are asking about how to transfer the sugar to your new baby? If so, have her get her own card, activate it herself with her own name, info etc, and then you can just purchase, with cash, a refill card and send her the number, which she then uses to add the amount to her card. Simple as can be. Keep in mind, however, this is the preferred method for scammers, since once you give her the number, you are essentially giving her the money, and she doesn't have to do shit for you afterwards, even though her brakes are now fixed and she can finally drive to meet you like she promised LOL!

If, however, you are asking about getting a green dot card for yourself to use for things like hotels, meals etc, I recently did this, and used my Sugar name, (not my real one) and my work address, and all went through without a snag. I now have a card I can load up at will, and use on Orbitz, Priceline, and so on, and even at restaurants, since it doesn't have my name printed on it, so no worries about the waitress coming back with the bill and saying,"thank you, Mr. X", and thus having my cover blown. Plus, when I use it online, it thinks I am my Sugar name, so I believe it to be totally footprint-proof, except perhaps by a wiley divorce lawyer, by which point my goose is cooked anyway.

As for your unsatisfying experience with an undercover pro, don't beat yourself up over it too much. We all, I dare say, have had this same sad experience. Try to learn from it. Were there tell-tale signs that the little brain told you to ignore? Was there a moment when you could have bailed but didn't? What would you do differently next time? We often learn far more from our mistakes than our successes. Onward, my brother.

Scott[/QUOTE]Not too worried about the UTR, I'm new to this and I chalk it up to a rookie mistake.

The Sugar Card idea is something I have to consider, my only problem being I work remotely so don't have a work address. I know some Postal Center stores give PO Boxes that look like real addresses, I just don't know what they would do with mail addressed to my Sugar Name.

And yes, I would really like some way for sugar to "magically" appear, under my control, but while maintaining cover. Anything out that that accomplishes this?

Glad to see all the good work that's being done here. Must study Scott's new sd tech breakthru. Sounds promising.

Meantime, I am back in the bowl with a 26 yo dirty blond 36D 7 from the sd4me site, two hours of blissful penetration and loud moaning. Her not me. This afternoon. I must show you a pic of her gorgeous ass which I have around somewhere. More later.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1770746]I'm assuming you are asking about how to transfer the sugar to your new baby? If so, have her get her own card, activate it herself with her own name, info etc, and then you can just purchase, with cash, a refill card and send her the number, which she then uses to add the amount to her card. Simple as can be. Keep in mind, however, this is the preferred method for scammers, since once you give her the number, you are essentially giving her the money, and she doesn't have to do shit for you afterwards, even though her brakes are now fixed and she can finally drive to meet you like she promised LOL!

If, however, you are asking about getting a green dot card for yourself to use for things like hotels, meals etc, I recently did this, and used my Sugar name, (not my real one) and my work address, and all went through without a snag. I now have a card I can load up at will, and use on Orbitz, Priceline, and so on, and even at restaurants, since it doesn't have my name printed on it, so no worries about the waitress coming back with the bill and saying,"thank you, Mr. X", and thus having my cover blown. Plus, when I use it online, it thinks I am my Sugar name, so I believe it to be totally footprint-proof, except perhaps by a wiley divorce lawyer, by which point my goose is cooked anyway.

As for your unsatisfying experience with an undercover pro, don't beat yourself up over it too much. We all, I dare say, have had this same sad experience. Try to learn from it. Were there tell-tale signs that the little brain told you to ignore? Was there a moment when you could have bailed but didn't? What would you do differently next time? We often learn far more from our mistakes than our successes. Onward, my brother.

Scott[/QUOTE]Just remember when you have an anonymous GD card. If you loose it. Anyone can use it. Best to load it on an as needed basis. I give all my SB's a GD card for convenience. Unless they are just totally happy with whatever card they have. As western union etc may be a hassle when the situation arises.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1769693]ASL,

It's their profile, and they can put whatever they want in it, but it doesn't mean that they'll get it, or that it's even true! Shocking, I know. I think some of them put a high figure as their expectation to help them be okay with the whole scenario.

I very often contact the 3 to 5 K babies anyway, if they fit my other requirements, and try and gauge how firm they are on the figure before the m&g, but if it's not possible, and negotiations break down over coffee, the worst that has happened is I've spent a pleasant hour with an HYB, looking at her cleavage.

I have found, more often than not, that once things get rolling, and they start to experience the old Scotty charm, a more reasonable situation can usually be agreed upon. Remember, there are 10 babies for every daddy on these sites, and that works to our advantage in terms of negotiations in general. I have successfully bedded several babies whose initial demands were out of reach for me just by forging ahead, or treating them to lunch and a second meeting. Sometimes you need to let them see just exactly what's out there in Realityville, and hopefully, if you've been polite, charming and respectful, they will come back to you with a more reasonable attitude.

If not, move on. There are plenty of little fish out there, and more arriving every day! In the end, they are women, and we will never be able to fathom how they think, so why try? Better to expend your energy trying to get them to fuck you, right?

Let us know how it works out,

Scott[/QUOTE]I always hear about guys negotiating and obviously it works. I just feel like if someone asks for a certain amount they are more than welcome to it (just not from me). Like if I did talk them down in price there might be a hidden resentment that pops up later or a less than thrilling ride in bed. And yes, maybe they need to go back out in the bowl and see how tough it is and come back later. Most don't, some do, but I like the "friendly handshake" approach best. And of course leaving them feeling like if they are worth it, I will spend more later. And for the lucky 2 or 3 regulars I may find in a year, I do.

Many women hit their sexual peaks from 35 to 50 and even through their 50s sometimes. This early 40s divorcee couldn't get enough and wanted it in every hole. We sucked and fucked for the better part of a day at her place. My dick was sore from all that activity, LOL. The $ donation was extremely reasonable considering all the time allowed and I didn't even have to pay for a hotel. This SB is a keeper. My only problem will be keeping up with her.

The older Latina that I met is a keeper. We have laughed and talked about all topics. We had the first dinner date and wow she is beautiful and sexy. The date went well and we somehow ended up in my car doing some heavy kissing with lots of hands roaming by both. Later she emailed me that if she had more time she wanted to get a room.

She has her own place that I can come by.

She can travel.

She asked me about meeting this weekend for the tiggabounce.

No allowance, just a little help now and then and small gifts.

I am expecting to give $400 per month at least and see her 2 to 3 times a week.

There will be money for others, just not too much time for them.

9. 5/8/10 / unknown.

If she lasts a month, then she will be my primary and I can give most of these others a rest.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1771145]The older Latina that I met is a keeper. We have laughed and talked about all topics. We had the first dinner date and wow she is beautiful and sexy. The date went well and we somehow ended up in my car doing some heavy kissing with lots of hands roaming by both. Later she emailed me that if she had more time she wanted to get a room.

She has her own place that I can come by.

She can travel.

She asked me about meeting this weekend for the tiggabounce.

No allowance, just a little help now and then and small gifts.

I am expecting to give $400 per month at least and see her 2 to 3 times a week.

There will be money for others, just not too much time for them.

9. 5/8/10 / unknown.

If she lasts a month, then she will be my primary and I can give most of these others a rest.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]Her Pic.

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[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;1771128]Many women hit their sexual peaks from 35 to 50 and even through their 50s sometimes. This early 40s divorcee couldn't get enough and wanted it in every hole. We sucked and fucked for the better part of a day at her place. My dick was sore from all that activity, LOL. The $ donation was extremely reasonable considering all the time allowed and I didn't even have to pay for a hotel. This SB is a keeper. My only problem will be keeping up with her.[/QUOTE]I agree. A woman in her 40's can bury most men in the bedroom. My ATF MILF (pictured) is by far the best sex I get and has a really tight body all around. The young ones may compensate with their youthful beauty, and there is nothing like going down on teen pussy. But sometimes you just need to bang.

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