"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

You should have walked by the table, said hi and kept going.

Her text was a red flag. At that point I would not have gotten the Rom.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy; 1765861]I met a new pot SB this week. She was a young (23) , cute, shapely single Mom. She seemed quite excited about the whole idea which we discussed in great detail over coffee and we agreed to meet at a hotel the next day to test the waters for a $1 donation. I texted her the next day about two hours before the planned meeting time to tell her I was looking forward to seeing her and she texted back,"EXACTLY what are we going to be doing at the hiotel?" I texted back that I thought we had discussed this thoroughly yesterday. She texted back,"Yeah. OK." I rented the hotel room, texted her the room number and waited for her arrival. When she didn't show up on time I texted her to find out when she was arriving. She texted back that she just got "her monthly friend," and was in great pain and couldn't make it. I thought this was bogus but I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I stopped in the cafe where we had coffee and there she was with a gf chatting and laughing. She didn't notice me and I texted her from my car about how she was feeling and she texted back some lies about how she was in bed and how terrible she was feeling.

I get that lying on the part of pot SBs is par for the course and that many of them will disappoint and frustrate you like this. It just pisses me off sometimes to have it happen.

OK. My steam is blown off. Life is still good my brothers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1765892]You should have walked by the table, said hi and kept going.

Her text was a red flag. At that point I would not have gotten the Rom.

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]You are right. I was thinking with the little head when I should have been thinking with the big head.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;1765512]Sometimes one good thing leads to another. It did this time. My platinum-haired sweet sugar baby stripper had a 19 YO friend who also ran away from home and wanted to try this SB thing out. Nothing like having your SB provide a good referral! This one was definitely close to a 10 all the way around including a terrific attitude. I am tempted to try a threesome but each of these eager and sexually energetic girls is more than I can handle one-on-one. Life is definitely good my brothers.[/QUOTE]That is a HOT bod. Great find PTG.

Why the hell I never run into any girls like that. I need to move to where you guys live.

#MsWhatABody: Dropped! She still had not made up her mind if she wanted to do this. Needed the money but wanted me to "earn" the goodies over time and commitment. She was confused, then angry that I left because I sent an email.

#MsOxyMoron: One text in 3 weeks, something about family issues. But it does not excuse the radio silence and missing our weekly dates.

#MsPartyGirl: "Dropped Phone in Water", she's been radio silence for 5 days. Chatted yesterday, then she went back to her inconsistent undependable ways today. I'm letting this one go.

#FreakyDentalAssistant: Became too much of a emotional headache. She's the type that likes to start fights over dumb stuff (via text and email) or just have a smart mouth for no reason. I've been putting up with it, but this last time got on my last nerve and I dropped her too. I'm not in this for arguing and dealing with dumb stuff.

#MsOpenMarriage: Met a married POT on SA. She's 30, white, flight attendant, a professional with a smoking hot body also. She was pay2play and I didn't like her amount and I don't like P2P. She wanted $$$ (a big discount from her normal $$$$$-$$$$$$$$$$). Then once I cancelled saying I prefer something more relational and not pay to play. I'm the one wrong making her feel like trash and a cheap working girl. Reading back on the texts, she was all over the place, accusatory, changing stories, etc. It was obvious that she has emotional issues, but the pics are hot. She says she's open to negotiation, but now she's in radio silence too. Wow!

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Ran across the one who had her phone stolen / lost and I was trying to negotiate with the finder on SA. She finally remembers her SA login and sees the emails and is now mad at me for trying to "hook up" with the new person. Of course she does not believe I was trying to get the phone back, which I was. I have way too much real booty call goodies to need some random hookup." Don't she know who I am. LOL" She also refuses to apologize for missing the date, the money spent on hotel and tickets as it wasn't her fault. Wow, so she's dumping me now because she thought I was different. Whoa. These women have some serious issues sometimes. Funny thing was, I didn't need to be dumped, because of her attitude towards the phone and email, I wasn't going to deal with her anyway.

On a positive.

#MsCosmetologist: We've done the Tiggabounce twice. She's great in bed and the donation is low. Great body. She seems like she's good to hang with for a while. Very laid back, but on the verge of being Nando1. She also has a boyfriend who's not contributing, but she "loves" him. Anyway, Nando1 territory scares me, so I got to be careful.

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[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1765983]That is a HOT bod. Great find PTG.

Why the hell I never run into any girls like that. I need to move to where you guys live.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is a matter of geography. I travel extensively and had and have SB relationships all over the country. It is all about putting an effort into this. You need to work a consistent SB approach seriously and constantly to have success. I think you will hear the same advice from everyone in this thread with a reasonable stable of SBs.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1766104]#MsWhatABody: Dropped! She still had not made up her mind if she wanted to do this. Needed the money but wanted me to "earn" the goodies over time and commitment. She was confused, then angry that I left because I sent an email.

#MsOxyMoron: One text in 3 weeks, something about family issues. But it does not excuse the radio silence and missing our weekly dates.

#MsPartyGirl: "Dropped Phone in Water", she's been radio silence for 5 days. Chatted yesterday, then she went back to her inconsistent undependable ways today. I'm letting this one go.

#FreakyDentalAssistant: Became too much of a emotional headache. She's the type that likes to start fights over dumb stuff (via text and email) or just have a smart mouth for no reason. I've been putting up with it, but this last time got on my last nerve and I dropped her too. I'm not in this for arguing and dealing with dumb stuff.

#MsOpenMarriage: Met a married POT on SA. She's 30, white, flight attendant, a professional with a smoking hot body also. She was pay2play and I didn't like her amount and I don't like P2P. She wanted $$$ (a big discount from her normal $$$$$-$$$$$$$$$$). Then once I cancelled saying I prefer something more relational and not pay to play. I'm the one wrong making her feel like trash and a cheap working girl. Reading back on the texts, she was all over the place, accusatory, changing stories, etc. It was obvious that she has emotional issues, but the pics are hot. She says she's open to negotiation, but now she's in radio silence too. Wow!

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Ran across the one who had her phone stolen / lost and I was trying to negotiate with the finder on SA. She finally remembers her SA login and sees the emails and is now mad at me for trying to "hook up" with the new person. Of course she does not believe I was trying to get the phone back, which I was. I have way too much real booty call goodies to need some random hookup." Don't she know who I am. LOL" She also refuses to apologize for missing the date, the money spent on hotel and tickets as it wasn't her fault. Wow, so she's dumping me now because she thought I was different. Whoa. These women have some serious issues sometimes. Funny thing was, I didn't need to be dumped, because of her attitude towards the phone and email, I wasn't going to deal with her anyway.

On a positive.

#MsCosmetologist: We've done the Tiggabounce twice. She's great in bed and the donation is low. Great body. She seems like she's good to hang with for a while. Very laid back, but on the verge of being Nando1. She also has a boyfriend who's not contributing, but she "loves" him. Anyway, Nando1 territory scares me, so I got to be careful.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]249176[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]You remind me that I reject and cut loose far more SBs than I accept and put any effort towards. It isn't worth tension and drama even for a prime piece of tail. Even so, I am still prone to rookie mistakes like my misread of a new SP pot I just reported. When a red flag appears I need to seriously re-evaluate the situation. There are plenty of SB opportunities. I just need to continually work the plan.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1765345]Showering is not going to help as this is an internal problem stemming mostly from poor PH balance I. E. Poor diet. So it is correctable. Also an hour long salt bath once a week could help (very kosher). No douching, ever. This only makes the problem worse. Probiotics are also helpful.[/QUOTE]This is called Bacterial Vaginosis (BV) and can actually cum from you, the fuck-er. Women's vaginal pH is very acidic (4) and men are alkaline. So frequent copious loads of semen can raise the ph and allow these stinky organisms to grow. Hollywood is exactly right, as usual. But, she could also be fucking an army of guys and loading up the pussy with stink bugs. Trichomonas is an STD that can also be very malodorous, so you should require her to go to her MD to rule that out.

My ATF HCB had a bad case which I helped her through with Hollywood's treatment protocol, and some Flagyl. Don't reject a favorite unless she is not worth the effort.

Ratings: face / body / personality / skills.

#MsLaid Back (8. 5/9/9 / unknown: Had a first date with beautiful 20 year old AA. She's 5'7 with a smoking body. She showed up wearing these tight jeans, very nice conservative blouse and as requested, high heels. I love it when they are taller than me. The date was fun, we had dinner and talked for about 2 hours. She's very laid back, easy going and mature for her age. She gets a kick out of hearing my stories and we exchanged a few long hugs and quick kiss at end of the date. Second date will be this week, she seems like a keeper.

#MsFreaky (7/8/9 / unknown) : We exchanged pics and talked on the phone. She's admitted she's a little freaky and I was fine with that. Interesting, she's not in a big need for cash and because of distance, I told her we could only meet once a month. She was fine with that. She has a very free-spirited / adventurous attitude and I attribute that to growing up in Cali. The conversation was great and we'll be doing the Tiggabounce on the first date.

5 Other Interviews due to be scheduled:

38 Year old hispanic. (8/8/unknown / unknown).

31 year old white (7/8. 5 / unknown / unknown). Still exchanging emails, will get date scheduled.

32 Year old AA (9. 5/9/unknown / unknown). Athletic, stunning but cautious. We have a date for lunch tomorrow. (Agreed to $600 per month)

23 Year old AA (8. 8/9/unknown / unknown). Also athletic (runner). Very cute. Server and sports fan. Working on scheduling a date. (Agreed to $600 per month)

23 Year old AA (9/9/unknown / unknown). Has sexy in her screen name and she's so so right about that! She want's $1200 per month, but wiling to meet and negotiate.

I included a pic of the Druggie Coed that I mentioned before. She sent an email saying she was disappointed that after 2 dates I've not given significantly to 3K she wants for summer school. I guess she didn't like my offer of $700 per month.

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BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1767469]Ratings: face / body / personality / skills.

#MsLaid Back (8. 5/9/9 / unknown: Had a first date with beautiful 20 year old AA. She's 5'7 with a smoking body. She showed up wearing these tight jeans, very nice conservative blouse and as requested, high heels. I love it when they are taller than me. The date was fun, we had dinner and talked for about 2 hours. She's very laid back, easy going and mature for her age. She gets a kick out of hearing my stories and we exchanged a few long hugs and quick kiss at end of the date. Second date will be this week, she seems like a keeper.

#MsFreaky (7/8/9 / unknown) : We exchanged pics and talked on the phone. She's admitted she's a little freaky and I was fine with that. Interesting, she's not in a big need for cash and because of distance, I told her we could only meet once a month. She was fine with that. She has a very free-spirited / adventurous attitude and I attribute that to growing up in Cali. The conversation was great and we'll be doing the Tiggabounce on the first date.

5 Other Interviews due to be scheduled:

38 Year old hispanic. (8/8/unknown / unknown).

31 year old white (7/8. 5 / unknown / unknown). Still exchanging emails, will get date scheduled.

32 Year old AA (9. 5/9/unknown / unknown). Athletic, stunning but cautious. We have a date for lunch tomorrow. (Agreed to $600 per month)

23 Year old AA (8. 8/9/unknown / unknown). Also athletic (runner). Very cute. Server and sports fan. Working on scheduling a date. (Agreed to $600 per month)

23 Year old AA (9/9/unknown / unknown). Has sexy in her screen name and she's so so right about that! She want's $1200 per month, but wiling to meet and negotiate.

I included a pic of the Druggie Coed that I mentioned before. She sent an email saying she was disappointed that after 2 dates I've not given significantly to 3K she wants for summer school. I guess she didn't like my offer of $700 per month.

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BigTigg[/QUOTE]Just tell the druggies coed to get a couple different SD's. And somthin is better than nothin. Offer to help screen her responses to her profile. You get great feedback when you can get a girls UN and PW to her SD profile page. Done it more than once. It's really helped my game over the years

Going to plan an out of town afternoon getaway to see a college babe.

A few questions if our resident experts would like to help out.

1) which online service do you use to book a room for best rates? Or maybe call hotel directly to book a room?

2) Do hotels allow early check in? If not, how would you request it?

3) I can't stay over night so have to checkout in late afternoon. Tell them I want to check out early or just leave key in room and take off?

Thanks

If a hotel has a room available, it's been my experience they will always give you a room. One time they told me they wouldn't have one for a couple of hours, and I just went across the street and got one. I pay with a unknown-to-the-wardon credit card so I just leave the key in the room when I leave as I also usually have to leave in the afternoon. If I'm only getting the room for the afternoon, I deal with the hotel directly as I don't want to use Priceline then risk not getting a room.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1768749]Going to plan an out of town afternoon getaway to see a college babe.

A few questions if our resident experts would like to help out.

1) which online service do you use to book a room for best rates? Or maybe call hotel directly to book a room?

2) Do hotels allow early check in? If not, how would you request it?

3) I can't stay over night so have to checkout in late afternoon. Tell them I want to check out early or just leave key in room and take off?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1768749]Going to plan an out of town afternoon getaway to see a college babe.

A few questions if our resident experts would like to help out.

1) which online service do you use to book a room for best rates? Or maybe call hotel directly to book a room?

2) Do hotels allow early check in? If not, how would you request it?

3) I can't stay over night so have to checkout in late afternoon. Tell them I want to check out early or just leave key in room and take off?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I have rented hotels all over the country to get together with SBs. I usually look on Mapquest and use the hotel icon to scout out the closest and most convenient hotels and check the prices. Occasionally I have used Priceline or Travelocity but you usually have to let them know 24 hours in advance of a cancellation or they charge you anyway and we know how women change their minds and their schedules and let you know at the last minute. I usually check in after I have confirmation that the girl is on her way (when I have violated that rule I often get burned as I recently related). I usually have a back-up plan for nearby hotel alternatives in case a room isn't available. If the hotel has a room available they will usually check you in early. I have checked in as early as 7 AM. I usually stay overnight but on the occasions where I checked out early I usually just let the key in the room. I hope this is helpful.

I like variety. Horny MILF SBs can scratch my itch and most are enthusiastic grateful and easy on the wallet. This one was willing to test the waters without a donation. I think she just wanted to try a hot fling and do some things hubby wasn't into. She likes verbal humiliation. Some women are into that and I have absolutely no objection obliging. She also wanted to try it up the ass and who am I to deny her curiosity? She wanted to do it at her place and said her hubby was at work. The last thing I need is dealing with some crazed guy coming home early and unexpected so I insisted on a hotel, We went Dutch. I think I can get her to spring for the whole thing next time if she wants it badly enough, LOL. Life is good my brothers.

Some advice/suggestions/comments from other players in the bowl, if you will.

I'm in contact with a gorgeous POT SB, mid thirties, smoking body. She has posts on both SD4M and SA. In her SA profile, where she can post her "expections", she has her range set at between 3k and 5k / Mo. That is WAAAAAY over my budget for this interesting past time. I have tentatively set a meet and greet for lunch tomorrow. I usually don't even consider a M&G with anyone expecting that much. I'm more in the 1k / mo. range paid out per meeting. I'm not a bad negotiator, done it all my adult life in the business world. But am I being overly optimistic thinking my good looks and boyish charm can get her down to my level? Or is this just a case of GPS and I'm wasting my time and lunch money? One more piece of info. She says she has recently gotten out of a LT SD / SB arrangement. The SD moved to Spain! If she's used to this type of coin, he must have been a hedge fund manager!

Thanks in advance.

ASL

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1769657]Some advice / suggestions / comments from other players in the bowl, if you will.

I'm in contact with a gorgeous POT SB, mid thirties, smoking body. She has posts on both SD4M and SA. In her SA profile, where she can post her "expections", she has her range set at between 3k and 5k / Mo. That is WAAAAAY over my budget for this interesting past time. I have tentatively set a meet and greet for lunch tomorrow. I usually don't even consider a M&G with anyone expecting that much. I'm more in the 1k / mo. Range paid out per meeting. I'm not a bad negotiator, done it all my adult life in the business world. But am I being overly optimistic thinking my good looks and boyish charm can get her down to my level? Or is this just a case of GPS and I'm wasting my time and lunch money? One more piece of info. She says she has recently gotten out of a LT SD / SB arrangement. The SD moved to Spain! If she's used to this type of coin, he must have been a hedge fund manager!

Thanks in advance.

ASL[/QUOTE]ASL,

It's their profile, and they can put whatever they want in it, but it doesn't mean that they'll get it, or that it's even true! Shocking, I know. I think some of them put a high figure as their expectation to help them be okay with the whole scenario.

I very often contact the 3 to 5 K babies anyway, if they fit my other requirements, and try and gauge how firm they are on the figure before the m&g, but if it's not possible, and negotiations break down over coffee, the worst that has happened is I've spent a pleasant hour with an HYB, looking at her cleavage.

I have found, more often than not, that once things get rolling, and they start to experience the old Scotty charm, a more reasonable situation can usually be agreed upon. Remember, there are 10 babies for every daddy on these sites, and that works to our advantage in terms of negotiations in general. I have successfully bedded several babies whose initial demands were out of reach for me just by forging ahead, or treating them to lunch and a second meeting. Sometimes you need to let them see just exactly what's out there in Realityville, and hopefully, if you've been polite, charming and respectful, they will come back to you with a more reasonable attitude.

If not, move on. There are plenty of little fish out there, and more arriving every day! In the end, they are women, and we will never be able to fathom how they think, so why try? Better to expend your energy trying to get them to fuck you, right?

Let us know how it works out,

Scott