Massage Parlor Reports

As anyone who's been following my posts over the past 6 months can attest, I've been exploring the Chinese MILFs quite a bit. However, for a change of pace (and because I truly wanted to find a decent massage), I decided to visit one of the many AMPs in the NoVa area. There was one I hadn't noticed before, and it seems to have been posting on BP (under the "Body Rubs") section for only a couple months. So, I opted for that AMP: [B][red]Royal Massage[/red][/B] on Old Courthouse Road near Tysons Corner. Parking was very easy at the time I went, although it [U]is[/U] located in one of the 2-story commercial complexes that dot Old Courthouse Road.

The set-up is identical to most such AMPs: Outer door, foyer area, and inner door (at the top of the steps). House fee was. 8 for the hour. From the outside, though, there is nothing to identify this as much of anything, though. It appears to be just another one of the businesses there, which it is.

The woman who answered the door gave her name as Hannah (pronounced that way, rather than as "Hana" as some AMP girls are named). She escorted me to the room, asked if I wanted a shower (which, on this occasion, I declined since I had just showered an hour earlier), put a new sheet on the massage table, took the house fee, and told me to get ready. When she returned, she asked how I wanted the massage. Light, medium, or strong. And proceeded to give a very nice, deep tissue massage over the next 45 minutes. She was very deliberate. Not rushed. And I enjoyed a very nice rubdown, with particular attention to the back and shoulder muscles. Then, for the remaining 15 minutes, she proceeded to finish up with the very same deliberate attention. I left completely satisfied and will probably make a return visit, even though this is slightly out of the way for me. Due to the quality of the massage, I tipped. 5 instead of the customary. 4 at most AMPs.

During the conversation, Hannah indicated that she's came from Korea to Washington DC about 7 years ago and has remained here throughout that time. Her dream is to make a visit back home in the next year or so to see friends and family. She's a nice girl, and I'd like to think she'll be able to achieve that dream.

As for the details about the establishment itself, the sheets were new and clean (no "recycling" the interior lacked any aromas of food or mildew, and the general appearance was one of a well-kept establishment. As for Hannah herself, she is probably late-30's to mid-40's (a little hard to tell, and I didn't want to ask), medium height, shoulder-length brown hair, decent looks (7. 5 out of 10), decent body (7. 5 out of 10) with natural 34-Cs, about 120#, and very pleasant.

Consider visiting this establishment, if you're in the general area of Tysons Corner, as I think you'll be very pleased and satisfied. Although this was my first visit, I found it to be a solid experience.

Dude, I don't know you but I know everything you speak of. You just brought back some serious memories.

DC in the late '90's. Jeez. My favorite was Ginza. I spent so much time there it felt like going to a friends house when I went. I never went through the front door.

Wonder where Connie is today?

Another great place was FCCC. Man, I hate that place is gone. You never knew what you'd get but it was good most of the time. I remember going there one time and some dude (one of you for sure) was plowing the hell out of some chick on the other side of the sheet that separated off the living room and making a ton of noise doing it. If anyone finds another FCCC, please PM me. I did talk to the chick that once ran it but they do motels now. I don't do motels. CC's mostly now for the variety but it's obvious to me that they don't fully understand the nuances of 'where best' to rent, unlike FCCC which was perfectly placed.

It's a new day but there's still tons there. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=SeoulOmio;2828724]My glory days may have passed me by. Relish yours, as you never know when they may end. Perhaps mine will return someday, after all the tuitions have been paid, if I have a modicum of virility remaining by then, let alone a beating heart at all. In the meantime, let me take you on a little trip down my own memory lane and regale you with boring stories of my own glory days. For those interested in the latest news from the newest spot, you're better off moving on now; if you like to browse the random thoughts of others, then read on.
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Then become a regular and build trust. May take 4-6 visits, but once you establish a relationship of mutual trust, then, and only then, will you determine the full available menu. But if you find one in a convientient location with an attractive MILF, you find yourself with access to a full menu at low risk and at a cost that is extremely favorable when compared to anything comparable elsewhere. But judging an AMP based on one or two visits is not the way to go as they remain in business by being very very cautious.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2840182]I've tried a few of the AMPs that advertise $45 for an hour and found that they immediately try to upsell you to $60+ for either a deep-tissue or oil massage. Whether extras are on the menu will obviously depend on the specific AMP and therapist, but the point of this post is to confirm your intel that the $45 massage price is generally a bait and switch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NukeyNuke;2855279]Dude, I don't know you but I know everything you speak of. You just brought back some serious memories.

DC in the late '90's. Jeez. My favorite was Ginza. I spent so much time there it felt like going to a friends house when I went. I never went through the front door.

Wonder where Connie is today?

Another great place was FCCC. Man, I hate that place is gone. You never knew what you'd get but it was good most of the time. I remember going there one time and some dude (one of you for sure) was plowing the hell out of some chick on the other side of the sheet that separated off the living room and making a ton of noise doing it. If anyone finds another FCCC, please PM me. I did talk to the chick that once ran it but they do motels now. I don't do motels. CC's mostly now for the variety but it's obvious to me that they don't fully understand the nuances of 'where best' to rent, unlike FCCC which was perfectly placed.

It's a new day but there's still tons there. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Don't get us all started about the good old days. Ginza, Downtown, Golden, HWC etc. You could open the back of the post's sports page and every AMP listed was F / S. Every one of them were in competition for your business so the service was off the chart. I still visit one of my old DC AMP fav's gone Indy on occasion that never left the area. I remember the first CC or FCCC that was near the Gallow & Lee hwy. My old buddy Nick ran it until trouble found him. I often wonder what ever happened to him, He was THE MAN!

[QUOTE=VamassageFan;2855318]Then become a regular and build trust. May take 4-6 visits, but once you establish a relationship of mutual trust, then, and only then, will you determine the full available menu. But if you find one in a convientient location with an attractive MILF, you find yourself with access to a full menu at low risk and at a cost that is extremely favorable when compared to anything comparable elsewhere. But judging an AMP based on one or two visits is not the way to go as they remain in business by being very very cautious.[/QUOTE]Since he was the one with the original AMP issue. My only point was to confirm that it's unlikely he's going to find a good massage (extras or no extras) at $45 per hour. FWIW, I've had much better results with independent FBSM providers. The same principle applies, once you become a regular and she gets comfortable with you, the menu usually expands. The added benefit is that an independent provider doesn't have to share her $ and you don't have to worry about county licensing (or LEO) walking in during your session.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2855776][QUOTE=VamassageFan;2855318][QUOTE=JmSuttr;2840182][QUOTE=Goodfootfun;2839899]This place is a dud. They have a $45 hour special but it is just light caressing with no reall massage. An hour of actual massage is $60. There was a little teasing but on the flip she insisted on DIY. I didn't even bother. I have gone twice to two different girls and they both insisted on DIY.[/QUOTE]

I've tried a few of the AMPs that advertise $45 for an hour and found that they immediately try to upsell you to $60+ for either a deep-tissue or oil massage. Whether extras are on the menu will obviously depend on the specific AMP and therapist, but the point of this post is to confirm your intel that the $45 massage price is generally a bait and switch.[/QUOTE]

Then become a regular and build trust. May take 4-6 visits, but once you establish a relationship of mutual trust, then, and only then, will you determine the full available menu. But if you find one in a convientient location with an attractive MILF, you find yourself with access to a full menu at low risk and at a cost that is extremely favorable when compared to anything comparable elsewhere. But judging an AMP based on one or two visits is not the way to go as they remain in business by being very very cautious.[/QUOTE]

Since he was the one with the original AMP issue. My only point was to confirm that it's unlikely he's going to find a good massage (extras or no extras) at $45 per hour. FWIW, I've had much better results with independent FBSM providers. The same principle applies, once you become a regular and she gets comfortable with you, the menu usually expands. The added benefit is that an independent provider doesn't have to share her $ and you don't have to worry about county licensing (or LEO) walking in during your session.[/QUOTE]To add to what JmSuttr advises, I've found that the independent Asians who advertise under the "Body Rubs" section of Backpage tend to take this approach. Your first visit might only entail FBSM (or, perhaps more will even be available on your first visit); follow-up visits will very often see an expansion of the menu. In fact, some of the Asian escorts appear to be listing their ads in the "Body Rubs" section as a means of keeping a lower profile.

Think about it: Listing an ad in the "Escort" section immediately puts a red flag on their service, but listing an ad in the "Body Rubs" section keeps it semi-legitimate. Besides, once the customer is in the room and the session has begun, the girl can always judge whether the customer is looking only for a "massage" or something more. (Ever wonder why so many of them seem to lightly touch the tip of your tool, while you're laying face-down and she's working your leg muscles?)

My point is what JmSuttr's post implies: that you can often find a full menu with some of the Asian providers who advertise in Backpage's "Body Rubs" section but don't advertise in the "Escort" section. (This also gives the girl some degree of deniability, in case friends or family happen to see the ad.).

[QUOTE=SomeoneNew;2839396]Ok, having my first post asking for recommendations was not cool. I apologize. To the person who did send me a PM, Thank you very much! I got your message too late, but I very much appreciate advice.

Looking on here and another site, I settled on checking out Cosmos for my second experience. Jenny met me at the door and was very sweet. She is attractive and spoke fluent English.

Which was everything my first experience was not. Had my first TS and very much enjoyed. After scrubbing for a while, Jenny asked if there was anywhere I needed cleaned and.

Still being a noob, I grabbed the area myself instead of guiding her there. I corrected the error quickly and we both had a laugh at it.

The massage was good. She got up on the table after a while and walked on my back. Another first for me. It was very interesting. Way more pressure than I was expecting.

But not painful. She asked me to flip and did a quick rub around the legs and chest, then she asked if there was anywhere else I needed relaxing. I did not make the same.

Mistake from the TS. Afterwards she got some really hot towels and pressed on my back and face. It was a very happy experience. The house got. 8 and I gave Jenny. 4.

She gave me a little hug and I was on my way. I plan to return.[/QUOTE]After Reading this post decided to visit the AMP and I asked for Jenny. After 20 minute wait, finally she came (Not attractive as mentioned here). 35 to 40 year lady with very very small (.)(.).

She didn't forget to ask how I know her. I told that I have been here but she was very sure that she is seeing me first time. (is it ok to say like this).

Had a TS. She asked to clean my shaft but I guided her hand to it to which she happily did that. Then had a good decent message. Gave her. 4 tip and. 8 house fee and left.

[QUOTE=Serpico99;2836047]Stop by See and See off of Grant in Hurrrrrdone. I got the manager (I think her name is Kim) who was the only one working. Some mongers think she's frumpy but I find her to be ok, looks wise, but most importantly, she doesn't hustle you for a tip and is playful. I have had a bad experience with June, who I think still is working there based on reviews from another board and although June looks better than Kim, her attitude sucks.

Anyway, it's 80/ hr. Gave 60 for noVa + experience. Place has TS.

Stats: manager is probably almost hitting 50 or early 50's, 5'4"-ish, straight black hair, natural Cs. The entrance is on the back of a small strip mall building so it's discreet.[/QUOTE]I have been a regular at this place for over a year. With the exception of one place I visited 3 times and will never repeat, I have gone here on average once a week. I see June 90% of the time. Sometimes I see the manager Serpico is referring, but I have a hard time getting off with her. But she does have a great attitude and gives a great massage. June gives a great massage too. Every visit has been awesome, with a really talented massage (like what you'd expect a high-end, legit spa) followed by a very sensual ended. If you have seen her, you know her service level I am sure.

I called up yesterday and talked to the manager, and was told June was on vacation. I didn't want to see her (manager) and I asked who was taking her place, she assured me I would love the new girl and to please come in.

I did go, and the new 'girl' (probably in her early late 40's at least) was no bad looking. Told me her name is "Amy". Everything was on par as my usual experience with June. I would have preferred June but this was fine. No complaints.

She was very accommodating on the finish, just like June. No FS but non-mechanical, lots of enthusiasm. Just like June, as I have seen dozens of times.

Everything was just like the usual, standard NoVA experience (but by current standards I think is the best in NoVA, yet not too different from most places).

And that is where the good times ended. There was no discussion of a tip. There never is. Typically I would leave $60-80 for June and $40-60 for others there, including the manager (whose name I think is Tia).

I left $70 for Amy because that's what I had. If I had $80 I probably would have left that, but didn't have it so figured $70 was a nice gesture.

Amy picks it up and starts to freak out. Her baby-talk, pigeon English (her cutesy "my Engrish no good") changes to pretty much unaccented English, with which she has not problem expressing herself.

She says "This is not nearly enough! You know this is not right!" I was sincerely taken back asked what are talking about? How much were you expecting and she said "The minimum is $120"

I laughed and said she was crazy. I said that is more than I would pay for full service and she said "Full Service is at least $200" (but to be clear, they don't do FS there)

I said she's nuts, and she didn't back down. She said "You need to make this right. You're wrong and you know it" and she actually started to cry. I said get mamasan in her and have he tell it to me, and we bickered about whether there even was a mamasan there (which Tia / the manager always claimed not to be, and I think may be in fact true).

Bottom line, I may never go back there, but at best would only go if June is back.

I highly recommend avoiding Amy. Total ROB.

[QUOTE=WebDog2015;2860544]I have been a regular at this place for over a year. With the exception of one place I visited 3 times and will never repeat, I have gone here on average once a week. I see June 90% of the time. Sometimes I see the manager Serpico is referring, but I have a hard time getting off with her. But she does have a great attitude and gives a great massage. June gives a great massage too. Every visit has been awesome, with a really talented massage (like what you'd expect a high-end, legit spa) followed by a very sensual ended. If you have seen her, you know her service level I am sure.

I called up yesterday and talked to the manager, and was told June was on vacation. I didn't want to see her (manager) and I asked who was taking her place, she assured me I would love the new girl and to please come in.

I did go, and the new 'girl' (probably in her early late 40's at least) was no bad looking. Told me her name is "Amy". Everything was on par as my usual experience with June. I would have preferred June but this was fine. No complaints.

She was very accommodating on the finish, just like June. No FS but non-mechanical, lots of enthusiasm. Just like June, as I have seen dozens of times.

Everything was just like the usual, standard NoVA experience (but by current standards I think is the best in NoVA, yet not too different from most places).

And that is where the good times ended. There was no discussion of a tip. There never is. Typically I would leave $60-80 for June and $40-60 for others there, including the manager (whose name I think is Tia).

I left $70 for Amy because that's what I had. If I had $80 I probably would have left that, but didn't have it so figured $70 was a nice gesture.

Amy picks it up and starts to freak out. Her baby-talk, pigeon English (her cutesy "my Engrish no good") changes to pretty much unaccented English, with which she has not problem expressing herself.

She says "This is not nearly enough! You know this is not right!" I was sincerely taken back asked what are talking about? How much were you expecting and she said "The minimum is $120"

I laughed and said she was crazy. I said that is more than I would pay for full service and she said "Full Service is at least $200" (but to be clear, they don't do FS there)

I said she's nuts, and she didn't back down. She said "You need to make this right. You're wrong and you know it" and she actually started to cry. I said get mamasan in her and have he tell it to me, and we bickered about whether there even was a mamasan there (which Tia / the manager always claimed not to be, and I think may be in fact true).

Bottom line, I may never go back there, but at best would only go if June is back.

I highly recommend avoiding Amy. Total ROB.[/QUOTE]Just a couple of points about your experience:

While it definitely sounds as if Amy is worth avoiding, I don't think it's technically correct to label her as an ROB. After all, she did provide the service and she didn't even haggle / upsell you beforehand. That being said, she was obviously unhappy with the tip amount and raised a stink, and that's absolutely not cool and no client should put up with that. IMHO, a true ROB is someone who takes the cash and provides nothing in return.

And that leads me to my second point, which is that it's very unlikely that Amy will be able to continue working at that AMP without a major attitude adjustment. My reasoning is simply that, just like you, there is no way any experienced AMP client is going to leave $120 as a tip for standard or even enhanced NOVA finish. Which means that each time a client tries to leave the typical $40-$60 tip, she's going to create a scene like she did with you. But that can only go on for so long before it generates an adverse reaction by MMS or the owner, because they don't want to have any problems and there's always a chance that a client, who doesn't handle the situation in as gentlemanly a manner as you did, may create an even bigger scene.

So it wouldn't surprise me if the next time you called you found out that Amy was no longer there. But, even if she is, now that you know the drill, all you need to do is tell MMS that you don't want Amy as your therapist. If she asks why (although of course she already knows this) just tell her the truth, namely that Amy overcharges and you don't appreciate her attitude.

FWIW, even the best AMP sometimes gets a bad apple, but the other masseuses may still be worth your time. If you do decided to visit again, let us know if Amy is still around or she's been shown the door.

Happy hunting and stay safe!

[QUOTE=WebDog2015;2860544]I have been a regular at this place for over a year. With the exception of one place I visited 3 times and will never repeat, I have gone here on average once a week. I see June 90% of the time. Sometimes I see the manager Serpico is referring, but I have a hard time getting off with her. But she does have a great attitude and gives a great massage. June gives a great massage too. Every visit has been awesome, with a really talented massage (like what you'd expect a high-end, legit spa) followed by a very sensual ended. If you have seen her, you know her service level I am sure.

I called up yesterday and talked to the manager, and was told June was on vacation. I didn't want to see her (manager) and I asked who was taking her place, she assured me I would love the new girl and to please come in.

I did go, and the new 'girl' (probably in her early late 40's at least) was no bad looking. Told me her name is "Amy". Everything was on par as my usual experience with June. I would have preferred June but this was fine. No complaints.

She was very accommodating on the finish, just like June. No FS but non-mechanical, lots of enthusiasm. Just like June, as I have seen dozens of times.

Everything was just like the usual, standard NoVA experience (but by current standards I think is the best in NoVA, yet not too different from most places).

And that is where the good times ended. There was no discussion of a tip. There never is. Typically I would leave $60-80 for June and $40-60 for others there, including the manager (whose name I think is Tia).

I left $70 for Amy because that's what I had. If I had $80 I probably would have left that, but didn't have it so figured $70 was a nice gesture.

Amy picks it up and starts to freak out. Her baby-talk, pigeon English (her cutesy "my Engrish no good") changes to pretty much unaccented English, with which she has not problem expressing herself.

She says "This is not nearly enough! You know this is not right!" I was sincerely taken back asked what are talking about? How much were you expecting and she said "The minimum is $120"

I laughed and said she was crazy. I said that is more than I would pay for full service and she said "Full Service is at least $200" (but to be clear, they don't do FS there)

I said she's nuts, and she didn't back down. She said "You need to make this right. You're wrong and you know it" and she actually started to cry. I said get mamasan in her and have he tell it to me, and we bickered about whether there even was a mamasan there (which Tia / the manager always claimed not to be, and I think may be in fact true).

Bottom line, I may never go back there, but at best would only go if June is back.

I highly recommend avoiding Amy. Total ROB.[/QUOTE]120 for the TIP? Not total, right? What was the house fee?

I hadn't seen any Cristine's ads for awhile but I gave her a call and was able to see her. She has a set-up by Lee Highway in Fairfax.

She's an older (40's) Thai lady with a much younger looking body, nice curves in all the right places, and great bolt-ons. (Seriously, if you want to know about how old an Asian woman is, look around their eyes and also see if their gray roots are showing.) Got a FBSM with some nuru gel for $. 2 and left happy with plans on seeing her again.

This isn't her ad but she can be reached at this number.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/relaxation-for-your-mind-with-nice-touch-and-body-rub/20269481[/URL]

[QUOTE=Angular;2865622]120 for the TIP? Not total, right? What was the house fee?[/QUOTE]House is $80/hr. Standard. $70 was on the generous side of standard. $80 is too much but something I'd do occasionally. $120 is laughable. Yes that is what she demanded for a tip, so $200 total.

The whole scene ridiculous, with her crying (crocodile tears) and being totally obnoxious about it. I will not go back. Which is honestly too bad as it the one place I had become a regular.

JmSuttr, your points are correct. I still call her an ROB because of the shakedown and hysterics, but it's true it was all after services were rendered and it was quality service. Frankly that's what pisses me off. I like the idea of have a place to go where the TS and massage are solid, the whole hour is honored, and the finish is all-access with everything just short of FS. For $80+$60 its a great deal as AMPs go. At $80+$80 it is competing with the condos that offer similar quality with FS. But I felt better dealing with entrepreneurs who come and go on their freewill. Amy just left a bad taste in my mouth (albeit not literally, like all Koreans her snatch was reasonably tasty).

Was a very important person a couple of weeks ago and was treated accordingly. Needed a good massage as I was on a long road trip. Was treated to a ts to wash off the road grime, received a nice massage and the standard nova finish. 1. 2 for a half hour including tip.

I was last there 30 days ago. They are Chinese, not K-girls. I have seen Susan for a about a year but she is on vacation to China. She only did great teasing, no HE. I have a feeling there might not be HE there. I should stop by and see, since the main girl there knows so well. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Suriya;2838175][URL]http://www.rubmaps.com/erotic-massage-zenith-massage-center-ashburn-va-22083[/URL]#review-195469.

Any idea about this parlor? I am new to this hobby and looking for a HE in NoVA.[/QUOTE]

Huge waste of time. So much teasing to the point she was rubbing my balls for 15 minutes and I had this huge hard on. At one point I motion for her to play with the shaft. M, she said oh no that's illegal! I laugh and I'm like playing with her, I'm rubbing her ass and pussy so hard, but she refuses to stroke me, only offered to rub my balls so I can jerk myself off.

I was so pissed at the end I just got up and left and was done with her bull shit, I paid 6 jacksons for the hour and tipped her 20 , I honestly felt like leaving nothing. She was typical old shit in nova and made comments about my weight. I know I'm fat *****! That's why I have to pay!!

Anyway avoid this place in merrifield next to subway.

[QUOTE=JimRob;2873192]Huge waste of time. So much teasing to the point she was rubbing my balls for 15 minutes and I had this huge hard on. At one point I motion for her to play with the shaft. M, she said oh no that's illegal! I laugh and I'm like playing with her, I'm rubbing her ass and pussy so hard, but she refuses to stroke me, only offered to rub my balls so I can jerk myself off.

I was so pissed at the end I just got up and left and was done with her bull shit, I paid 6 jacksons for the hour and tipped her 20 , I honestly felt like leaving nothing. She was typical old shit in nova and made comments about my weight. I know I'm fat *****! That's why I have to pay!!

Anyway avoid this place in merrifield next to subway.[/QUOTE]If I understood your post correctly, you paid $120 for the hour? I'm confused because the regular price at that place is $60 for the hour and $90 for 90 minutes. Did you get some kind of upsell? If so, how did that go down? Also, what made you think extras would be available? I've been several times for deep tissue massage and it was pretty clear to me that it's a legit shop. It is true that, if you happen to get a therapist who is comfortable with you, you may get some teasing but that's pretty much it. One strong indication for me that it's legit is because the entrance setup is wide open, without the vestibule and doorbell arrangement used by most HE AMPs.

I'm pretty sure there are no reviews on the oThER site, or discussions in this forum, because I would have noticed. So, just giving credit where due, IMHO it's not a waste of time if what you're looking for is a good deep tissue (legit) massage at a reasonable price (I pay $90 + $20 tip for 90 minutes). FWIW, in the absence of reviews or forum posts, I always assume a new AMP is legit. That way, if I TOFTT and all that happens is I get a good massage, I'm not disappointed. If something more happens, then that's pure icing on the cake.

Just to make sure we're talking about the same place, here's one of their recent ads:

[URL]http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/5533834941.html[/URL]

Can't remember my email / login from my previous account, so had to make a new one. Lurked for awhile, made a few posts for places I visited, but lost it all. Oh well.

For those in the Woodbridge area, some quick notes:

- JadeTree on Opitz. Great place. The parking lot can be busy because of neighboring medical offices but otherwise safe. Rooms are private and clean. Two girls, Amy and one who I can't remember. Amy is a 5 on the eyes, 7 on the massage and a 9 on the turn. I've gotten more than the typical NOVA in the past. The other girl is cuter and gives a good massage too, just can't remember the name.

- Eutopia in Minnieville. Been there twice, not sure why I went back. Massage was crummy the first time and there was no HE, not even the hint. The second time (two days ago) was because I was in the area and needed an actual massage. The rooms are not private, in that there is no specific cieling for the rooms. You can hear everything. As in, I kept thinking someone was coming into the room as people walked past. Massage was good this time though but again, no HE. Made it clear but she said they don't do that there. At least the massage was good!

[QUOTE=Goodfootfun;2839899]This place is a dud. They have a $45 hour special but it is just light caressing with no reall massage. An hour of actual massage is $60. There was a little teasing but on the flip she insisted on DIY. I didn't even bother. I have gone twice to two different girls and they both insisted on DIY.[/QUOTE]Had the same thing happen to me twice. If I wanted to do it myself, I would have stayed home.

I saw the strangest sight near the "Health Center" on Richmond Highway in Alexandria. Near Route 1, there was a man in black leaning against a telephone pole aiming binoculars in the general direction of the Health Center. Parked in front of the place was a large pickup with tags and stickers talking about one branch of the military. Now he might have been looking at the tax preparer office nearby, or the African church that inhibits another townhouse with seemingly dozens of residents. He had what appeared to be municipal tags on a Malibu. I have a photo of the person but am not posting it here unless someone really thinks that is a good idea.

Just a heads up.

Yes sixty for the hour, I was typing fast on my phone and messed that up. Yes the entrance is open and you're correct, but since this place is so close to my work, I got stupid because I was horny shit.

The reason I felt and ending was going to happen, she gave me the massage without a cover. She was doing the gentle touch and spent her entire time on my ass and teasing my balls, this got me really horny and on the flip she played with my balls the entire time rubbing them and massaging them, it wasn't just a light brush but a full on he on my balls.

During this time I was playing with her ass. Yes it was over her pants, but I had free roam, I basically almost finger her with her pants on. I had panties thongs pulled to the side and I could feel her snatch as I rubbed it. This is when I said baby I need to cum and motion for her to stop playing with my balls and jerk me off, that's when she was like no way that's illegal, I'm laughing at this point and thinking and rubbing my balls isn't??

So I asked her a few times and she's like no tug, not at this place, then she tells me to jerk off myself and she will continue playing with my balls, I'm thinking this is ridiculous and my dick goes flat and I just change my mood from super friendly to quiet and tell her I'm leaving. We spent almost 45 minutes talking and earlier in the massage when she was critical of my weight I just laughed it off, but now I'm thinking f you.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2874268]If I understood your post correctly, you paid $120 for the hour? I'm confused because the regular price at that place is $60 for the hour and $90 for 90 minutes. Did you get some kind of upsell? If so, how did that go down? Also, what made you think extras would be available? I've been several times for deep tissue massage and it was pretty clear to me that it's a legit shop. It is true that, if you happen to get a therapist who is comfortable with you, you may get some teasing but that's pretty much it. One strong indication for me that it's legit is because the entrance setup is wide open, without the vestibule and doorbell arrangement used by most HE AMPs.

I'm pretty sure there are no reviews on the oThER site, or discussions in this forum, because I would have noticed. So, just giving credit where due, IMHO it's not a waste of time if what you're looking for is a good deep tissue (legit) massage at a reasonable price (I pay $90 + $20 tip for 90 minutes). FWIW, in the absence of reviews or forum posts, I always assume a new AMP is legit. That way, if I TOFTT and all that happens is I get a good massage, I'm not disappointed. If something more happens, then that's pure icing on the cake.

Just to make sure we're talking about the same place, here's one of their recent ads:

[URL]http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/5533834941.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimRob;2875137]Yes sixty for the hour, I was typing fast on my phone and messed that up. Yes the entrance is open and you're correct, but since this place is so close to my work, I got stupid because I was horny shit.

The reason I felt and ending was going to happen, she gave me the massage without a cover. She was doing the gentle touch and spent her entire time on my ass and teasing my balls, this got me really horny and on the flip she played with my balls the entire time rubbing them and massaging them, it wasn't just a light brush but a full on he on my balls.

During this time I was playing with her ass. Yes it was over her pants, but I had free roam, I basically almost finger her with her pants on. I had panties thongs pulled to the side and I could feel her snatch as I rubbed it. This is when I said baby I need to cum and motion for her to stop playing with my balls and jerk me off, that's when she was like no way that's illegal, I'm laughing at this point and thinking and rubbing my balls isn't??

So I asked her a few times and she's like no tug, not at this place, then she tells me to jerk off myself and she will continue playing with my balls, I'm thinking this is ridiculous and my dick goes flat and I just change my mood from super friendly to quiet and tell her I'm leaving. We spent almost 45 minutes talking and earlier in the massage when she was critical of my weight I just laughed it off, but now I'm thinking f you.[/QUOTE]For a legit massage at $60 per hr with a $20 tip, you certainly got more "play" than most places and therapists would have allowed. In addition, she encouraged you to finish yourself (and I'm guessing she would have continued to help in the same way she had been doing) which is also above and beyond what most legit massage shops offer.

I understand your disappointment since most mongers are not into self-service, especially if they are at an AMP where the price is at the level ($80+) where extras should be on the menu (which this one is not). But, from a purely objective perspective, you got more for your $ than the average hobbyist would at the average legit AMP.

So, from the perspective of someone who was horny going in and assumed (or hoped) extras were on the table, you're right to say it was a waste of time. But, from the perspective of someone who is looking for a reasonably priced legit deep-tissue massage, with a little sensuality thrown in at no extra charge, I would venture to say that this place is a good value. At least that has been my experience and I would recommend for anyone looking for that kind of session.

BTW, don't know what comment she made about your weight but obviously something like that is not cool.

P.S. There are other AMPs with reviews and discussions that are not far away from that area. With a little homework and driving an extra 5-10 minutes you would have avoided the frustration of dealing with an unreviewed legit spa.

P. P.S. One final thought is that it's important to remember that in a legit shop a therapist is jeopardizing her job if she gives extras. She may have a family to support and even if it doesn't seem like a big deal to the client to go "that little bit extra, " it's a big deal to her. So that's one more element of perspective to consider.

For a legit massage the place is fine. Was a waste of time for me and what I was looking for. I love a nice sensual massage and I need the finish to complete the overall experience or I just leave very frustrated. For legit place it's great deal and people will enjoy that. However I wonder if most mongers are like me and need that release. Not sure the place will make it. I won't return for sure.

I just miss the old days with the young hotties. I remember some places the girls actually came to the room in a bikini.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2875271]For a legit massage at $60 per hr with a $20 tip, you certainly got more "play" than most places and therapists would have allowed. In addition, she encouraged you to finish yourself (and I'm guessing she would have continued to help in the same way she had been doing) which is also above and beyond what most legit massage shops offer.

I understand your disappointment since most mongers are not into self-service, especially if they are at an AMP where the price is at the level ($80+) where extras should be on the menu (which this one is not). But, from a purely objective perspective, you got more for your $ than the average hobbyist would at the average legit AMP.

So, from the perspective of someone who was horny going in and assumed (or hoped) extras were on the table, you're right to say it was a waste of time. But, from the perspective of someone who is looking for a reasonably priced legit deep-tissue massage, with a little sensuality thrown in at no extra charge, I would venture to say that this place is a good value. At least that has been my experience and I would recommend for anyone looking for that kind of session.

BTW, don't know what comment she made about your weight but obviously something like that is not cool.

P.S. There are other AMPs with reviews and discussions that are not far away from that area. With a little homework and driving an extra 5-10 minutes you would have avoided the frustration of dealing with an unreviewed legit spa.

P. P.S. One final thought is that it's important to remember that in a legit shop a therapist is jeopardizing her job if she gives extras. She may have a family to support and even if it doesn't seem like a big deal to the client to go "that little bit extra, " it's a big deal to her. So that's one more element of perspective to consider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2875271]For a legit massage at $60 per hr with a $20 tip, you certainly got more "play" than most places and therapists would have allowed. In addition, she encouraged you to finish yourself (and I'm guessing she would have continued to help in the same way she had been doing) which is also above and beyond what most legit massage shops offer.

I understand your disappointment since most mongers are not into self-service, especially if they are at an AMP where the price is at the level ($80+) where extras should be on the menu (which this one is not). But, from a purely objective perspective, you got more for your $ than the average hobbyist would at the average legit AMP.

So, from the perspective of someone who was horny going in and assumed (or hoped) extras were on the table, you're right to say it was a waste of time. But, from the perspective of someone who is looking for a reasonably priced legit deep-tissue massage, with a little sensuality thrown in at no extra charge, I would venture to say that this place is a good value. At least that has been my experience and I would recommend for anyone looking for that kind of session.

BTW, don't know what comment she made about your weight but obviously something like that is not cool.

P.S. There are other AMPs with reviews and discussions that are not far away from that area. With a little homework and driving an extra 5-10 minutes you would have avoided the frustration of dealing with an unreviewed legit spa.

P. P.S. One final thought is that it's important to remember that in a legit shop a therapist is jeopardizing her job if she gives extras. She may have a family to support and even if it doesn't seem like a big deal to the client to go "that little bit extra, " it's a big deal to her. So that's one more element of perspective to consider.[/QUOTE]I have had this numerous times and all were the first time I was there. I went back, saw the same girl and she had no problem helping me out. (Different place than you went to).

For what you paid, sure she told you you had to do it yourself, but you still got a good amount of roaming.

[QUOTE=JimRob;2875472]For a legit massage the place is fine. Was a waste of time for me and what I was looking for. I love a nice sensual massage and I need the finish to complete the overall experience or I just leave very frustrated. For legit place it's great deal and people will enjoy that. However I wonder if most mongers are like me and need that release. Not sure the place will make it. I won't return for sure.

I just miss the old days with the young hotties. I remember some places the girls actually came to the room in a bikini.[/QUOTE]You might want to try either Sun (aka Sunstar) or Mei Therapy, both of which aren't very far from that place. I haven't been to either for quite a while so maybe other members might have more current info, but either one of them should leave you satisfied. I doubt you'll get a young hottie in a bikini, but these days you do the best you can.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2875509]You might want to try either Sun (aka Sunstar) or Mei Therapy, both of which aren't very far from that place. I haven't been to either for quite a while so maybe other members might have more current info, but either one of them should leave you satisfied. I doubt you'll get a young hottie in a bikini, but these days you do the best you can.[/QUOTE]Concurring with Mr Suttr that those places should be reliable. I've been to both in the last couple of months.

[QUOTE=SwallowMyLoad1;2874822]Can't remember my email / login from my previous account, so had to make a new one. Lurked for awhile, made a few posts for places I visited, but lost it all. Oh well.

For those in the Woodbridge area, some quick notes:

- JadeTree on Opitz. Great place. The parking lot can be busy because of neighboring medical offices but otherwise safe. Rooms are private and clean. Two girls, Amy and one who I can't remember. Amy is a 5 on the eyes, 7 on the massage and a 9 on the turn. I've gotten more than the typical NOVA in the past. The other girl is cuter and gives a good massage too, just can't remember the name.

- Eutopia in Minnieville. Been there twice, not sure why I went back. Massage was crummy the first time and there was no HE, not even the hint. The second time (two days ago) was because I was in the area and needed an actual massage. The rooms are not private, in that there is no specific cieling for the rooms. You can hear everything. As in, I kept thinking someone was coming into the room as people walked past. Massage was good this time though but again, no HE. Made it clear but she said they don't do that there. At least the massage was good![/QUOTE]Jade Tree has been closed for at least 3 years, so not sure which place you are talking about. There is a new place in building to left of where Jade Tree use to be which is called Healing Touches Therapy and is excellent. The ladies there are Tina, Lily and Michelle. Haven't met an Amy there.

[QUOTE=Nyhornet;2876158]Jade Tree has been closed for at least 3 years, so not sure which place you are talking about. There is a new place in building to left of where Jade Tree use to be which is called Healing Touches Therapy and is excellent. The ladies there are Tina, Lily and Michelle. Haven't met an Amy there.[/QUOTE]There is also a Sasha there as well whom I had the pleasure of meeting this morning. Nice massage with OTC roaming, standard NOVA with hot towel cleanup. She is Chinese and speaks excellent English. She said she has been working there for three months.

So when my more regular masseuse didn't fit my time constraints I decided to hit up an AMP. Usually for consistency I'll go to either them+them or Sunday. Went to el sol and I'm so glad I did.

Provider: Mimi.

Personality: 8/10.

Body: 7/10 (small frame, cute face, nice rear, and workable headlights (b)).

GFE: doubt it, but working on it haha.

Experience: MMS remembered me after at least 6 mos, which is always a good thing. That's less convincing you have to do with the provider. Gave her a hug and reserved for the full hour. Order of operations seemed to have changed a bit. The massage came first and the table shower last. Let me say right off the bat, that this was one of the better massages I've ever had in one of these establishments. I usually tell them no back walking, but she even did that well, gentle even. She knew what she was doing. In fact sometime during, I asked her something and she replied, "I'm a professional honey. " The massage was great. The after party was also enjoyable. She was very active with the teasing and being sensual. After the massage "finished," I enjoyed a nice table shower. Afterwards she gave me a head and neck massage and helped me get dressed. Her english was pretty good. Once she and I got more comfortable she put me up on how they do things there. First she mentioned that they have regular clients that only come for massages so they try to be careful about what they assume. Next she mentioned that she is one of three new girls and they all have massage skill level equal to hers. She mentioned that protocol works better if you tip first. Just lay it on the table and the provider will know what level of service you require. Amounts are as follows:

40 standard NOVA.

60 Headlight play.

80 Full body play.

$$ DATY (she said 69 but experience tells me it's probably a faux blow on her part).

The guesswork has made some AMPs in the past a somewhat regrettable experience. It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Forest Gump. Hopefully Sun has changed the game.

I decided to find a few more waypoints in the area. My local provider was booked, so I headed to a 'stellar' establishment in Centreville right off of Rtes 28 & 29. MMS answered door in office park area. Door feels a bit 'public' but was answered quickly. I asked who was providing massages, and she said it would be 5 minutes or so.

Rooms standard, pretty clean, towels and tables standard.

A tiny (under 5' woman came in. I found her attitude and demeanor delightful and appearance was pleasing. Set up full hour, TS.

Massage above average, TS well above average, and an enthusiastic finish with OTC moving towards some glimpses of headlights as well. Excellent finishing skills from someone who looks like she enjoys her job. Std NoVa. . 8 + . 5.

Returned the following week, asked for Jxxxy by name. Same as above, but she was much, much friendlier and amenable to ideas. I did not pursue the menu fully. Left a bit bigger tip for the unexpectedly and appreciably improved service.

I will return here happily. If Chantilly has TS at the front of Robt Paris Ct, I would probably favor that, but. It is tough to choose only one.

I was in Centreville late afternoon Friday and there were no openings at because.

I decided to try River to see if my mileage was better than others. No better, but no worse is what I found.

It was 'OK' - nothing bad. On all fronts. I hadn't expected a TS, so that was OK. The average (ish.) provider had some interesting ideas on what is supposed to be interesting for the finish. Not painful, but just not a 'um hmmmm. Happy. ' Sort of feeling. I wondered if she had done this before. Willing enough, but not skilled. . 6 HH + . 4.

I would probably skip this and opt for a quiet night if it was River or nothing, if this was typical.

I guess I will call ahead for my other, preferred, providers.

Anyone been there lately?

The sirens lured others questing for a great massage to disappointment -- promising much and delivering nothing.

Monday's quest was for a great shower and a great massage. This Argonaut sought a gentle lady with great hands, and a fair face, and again found Vicky.

If the young / younger sirens are what interest you, you are best to quest elsewhere.

However, if the massage is important, and you remember to be polite (the term gentleman is appropriate), you might find, as I have, an island oasis.

For those with wit, the answers are the subject -- others may ask the Delphi (or send me a PM).

Still on the odyssey, but more relaxed now than I was before Monday's massaggi (standard rates and tip).

JasonArgos15.

[QUOTE=KNockturnal;2883076]So when my more regular masseuse didn't fit my time constraints I decided to hit up an AMP. Usually for consistency I'll go to either them+them or Sunday. Went to el sol and I'm so glad I did.

Provider: Mimi.

Personality: 8/10.

Body: 7/10 (small frame, cute face, nice rear, and workable headlights (b)).

GFE: doubt it, but working on it haha.

Experience: MMS remembered me after at least 6 mos, which is always a good thing. That's less convincing you have to do with the provider. Gave her a hug and reserved for the full hour. Order of operations seemed to have changed a bit. The massage came first and the table shower last. Let me say right off the bat, that this was one of the better massages I've ever had in one of these establishments. I usually tell them no back walking, but she even did that well, gentle even. She knew what she was doing. In fact sometime during, I asked her something and she replied, "I'm a professional honey. " The massage was great. The after party was also enjoyable. She was very active with the teasing and being sensual. After the massage "finished," I enjoyed a nice table shower. Afterwards she gave me a head and neck massage and helped me get dressed. Her english was pretty good. Once she and I got more comfortable she put me up on how they do things there. First she mentioned that they have regular clients that only come for massages so they try to be careful about what they assume. Next she mentioned that she is one of three new girls and they all have massage skill level equal to hers. She mentioned that protocol works better if you tip first. Just lay it on the table and the provider will know what level of service you require. Amounts are as follows:

40 standard NOVA.

60 Headlight play.

80 Full body play.

$$ DATY (she said 69 but experience tells me it's probably a faux blow on her part).

The guesswork has made some AMPs in the past a somewhat regrettable experience. It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Forest Gump. Hopefully Sun has changed the game.[/QUOTE]Thank you KNockturnal! Your detailed report made it possible for me to reconnect with my ATF AMP gal, whom I thought I would never see again. Yes folks, this is Mimi from ATMB. Isn't she a charmer?

I stopped by the old "capitol" off of Church rd. In eastern Loudoun, just to see if things changed since I last been there about 2 years ago or so. Nope still the same ole' same ole (as the provider gave a very good legit massage). My provider was on the chubby side, nothing to write home about. She was probing me, in a flirty way, with questions on what I did for work, asked me if I had any babies (LOL), etc. Maybe she was feeling me out. I didn't see anyone else there so I think it's a one-woman operation. Damage was 40 for 30 min. They don't advertise on CL the 30 min. Option, for whatever reason, maybe to ward off uncle LEO. Their ad can be found on CL.

I missed this place when Judy was there and running it. Not sure where she went or what happened a couple of years ago when Judy closed down suddenly.

If anyone has tried the place down the road, near Orbital, backchannel if you could.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-erotic-massage-nice-touch-703-887-4658/20693153[/URL]

Went back twice since last time. Didn't see Nicole but her laos partner. Little older but much better body. Massage was legit, felt like the real deal. First time back she give me a BBBJ with cim, second time she started with a BBBJ then just got in a reverse cow girl position and started rubbing my cock on her pussy. She seemed very into it. Slipped on a condom and went right in. Very tight and started to cream. Then went on to 69. It was perfect.

[QUOTE=LosMax;2893003][URL]http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-erotic-massage-nice-touch-703-887-4658/20693153[/URL]

Went back twice since last time. Didn't see Nicole but her laos partner. Little older but much better body. Massage was legit, felt like the real deal. First time back she give me a BBBJ with cim, second time she started with a BBBJ then just got in a reverse cow girl position and started rubbing my cock on her pussy. She seemed very into it. Slipped on a condom and went right in. Very tight and started to cream. Then went on to 69. It was perfect.[/QUOTE]You did not mention her name. Did she answer the phone or did Nicole answer? How did you end up the Nicole's partner?

I had a really nice experience with Nicole a couple of weeks ago. It was good enough to merit a repeat, but the phone went to voice mail for several days, last week. So, I could not schedule a repeat performance. I would like try Nicole's partner, based on your report.

[QUOTE=Krakatoa;2891515]Thank you KNockturnal! Your detailed report made it possible for me to reconnect with my ATF AMP gal, whom I thought I would never see again. Yes folks, this is Mimi from ATMB. Isn't she a charmer?[/QUOTE]Glad I could be of assistance Krakatoa! She is a gem.

[QUOTE=LosMax;2893003][URL]http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-erotic-massage-nice-touch-703-887-4658/20693153[/URL]

Went back twice since last time. Didn't see Nicole but her laos partner. Little older but much better body. Massage was legit, felt like the real deal. First time back she give me a BBBJ with cim, second time she started with a BBBJ then just got in a reverse cow girl position and started rubbing my cock on her pussy. She seemed very into it. Slipped on a condom and went right in. Very tight and started to cream. Then went on to 69. It was perfect.[/QUOTE]What was the damage for that kind of service?

[QUOTE=LosMax;2893003][URL]http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-erotic-massage-nice-touch-703-887-4658/20693153[/URL]

Went back twice since last time. Didn't see Nicole but her laos partner. Little older but much better body. Massage was legit, felt like the real deal. First time back she give me a BBBJ with cim, second time she started with a BBBJ then just got in a reverse cow girl position and started rubbing my cock on her pussy. She seemed very into it. Slipped on a condom and went right in. Very tight and started to cream. Then went on to 69. It was perfect.[/QUOTE]At one time Nicole partnered with Cristine. I've tried to contact Cristine previously but never got through. I wasn't aware she provided that level of service. Of course, it's possible Nicole could be working with someone else these days.

Nicole left me unimpressed when I visited her a few months back, but I may have to check out her partner if the donation isn't unreasonable. Is there an ad to which you can link?

I was a huge fan of hers last year, but the place seemed to change management and she left. Does anyone know what happen to her and if she's still working.

She had several tats with huge tits with the biggest nipples in the industry.