That's one argument, sure
I mean, I can call you names like being a cheapskate if you don't want to pay ten times what you pay for any service you use, your cellphone, electricity, your rent, food, restaurants, etc. We can do that with anything right? Do you like being called a cheapskate? Do you think it's fair?
I'll bet you want to get as much value for your money regarding the things you buy too. And I will also bet, because of the business you are in, that you aren't a multimillionaire either like most of the folks on this board.
There is a balance that I think we can get to between what is fair for a monger to pay and what is fair for an escorts time. And I will tell you right now that $600/ hr and up is not it.
[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5525052]Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.
When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.
Now, agencies will always charge less than independents for many reasons: nature of the service since agencies tend to have sketchier venues, stricter time slots, and higher volume of clientele; overhead costs since agencies can put multiple girls in one space, their reputations are already known / easily researched, advertising multiple girls at a time. As an independent, you have to pay for your own ads, your own incall location, your own business phone, website, etc, the overhead is much higher when it's just you. Also, agencies have a booker, so girls are just sitting around waiting for the agency to tell them someone is coming. As an independent, you spend a lot of valuable time screening and weeding out flakes. Most independents (or girls like me who later turn indie) do so bc we want a lower volume of higher paying clientele and know the business well enough that we feel confident taking on all the aspects an agency normally handles. Also, while I see fewer people, I still spend more time handling advertising and calls. I can also tell you, it's not so much these clients are "thirsty simps" as you call them, but men who don't mind paying extra for a girl who he knows is lower volume and will be more likely to not treat him like a dime-a-dozen trick. (Not to mention clients looking for allergy-accommodating providers may want to pay extra for low-volume providers just for risk reasons). These clients also tend to understand that they are paying more bc they are dealing with that provider only from the beginning, that we are doing all the work an agency does for ourselves and since we are doing more, our rates are higher. From my personal experience, I have much better sexual chemistry and overall better experiences with my indie clients than I ever did at an agency- I chalk this up to having total control of my online presence, who I choose to see (or not), and the more generosity I receive. (Let's face it, a provider will always treat a high paying client better and give them priority over lower paying clients bc this is a job to us at the end of the day).
Also remember that fucking off won't cost you anything, if you can't afford someone's rate, don't see them. Everyone is entitled to set their prices how they want. You can judge them for being unreasonable and their clients for being simps all you want, but they can also judge you for being a overly-frugal cheapskates who spends their time haggling and blaming other people for their own penny-pinching.[/QUOTE]
I get what you are saying but
The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.
I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.
Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.
[QUOTE=Nsugen;5525651]Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.
For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.
When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.
BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but even half of $300/ hr is $150 K a year at low volume
AMP girls at the higher end places are in the same boat. And in both situations they are still making bank.
The only way someone making $150/ hr or above isn't doing very well if they put that money up their nose or in a vein. And if they are doing that no amount of money will be enough.
[QUOTE=SecretStuffing;5526050]Yeah but the girls at Lear aren't making $300 an hour because they have to give up a percentage. And I think a large one. Of the fee.[/QUOTE]
