Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Cheech1;2100778]I think PSE means bareback everything. If you watch porn, and if PSE means porn star experience, then you will notice that 90% of porn movies are bareback everything. Vag, anal, oral, one after another. Now, that of course means that one should get tested regularly, and one's partner should be tested regularly, and you should know your partner's real name, so that you can see the paperwork, and you should know your partner well enough to know that they haven't done anyone else without protection since their last test. Furthermore, the level of cleanliness and preparation is exceptional. "Know," not "think I know." Its a lot to know.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]A test for a man and or a woman is only as good as the next fuck. You don't know who each one has been with and therefore that lovely piece of paper doesn't mean sh*t after she balls the next guy or you hammer the next lady. This is aboutfinding sex for both so your test and hers goes out even if you show her yours and she shows you hers because both parties are balling others. I agree PSE is bareback in all three holes and California which is one of the three porn centers couldn't get a bill passed for manditory porn testing and neither has Florida and Chicago. So testing although a good thing is not a hundred percent safe nor are covers bbbjs and bbbjs with cim and swallows. It is partially knowing the quality of the man who knocks on your door and the lady who opens it. Again as A2 has said Mis Dos centavos.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2100281]I just had a provider get pissed over reviews of girls in general. She wanted to know why us mongers don't get reviewed by providers. Maybe we should set up a thread for that. Of course, I doubt that the providers care about body type, how long our tongues are, the size of our dick, or how hard we get. Here's what we are supposed to do to hold up our part of the bargain: 1. Show up on time 2. Be clean 3. Pay the required fee without hassle. 4. Be nice to the girl. I doubt that the good providers care about anything else.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you Gatty, although I would switch #1 to being clean. I can understand lateness of just a few min because of traffic, accidents etc. I always allow an extra 15 min for those things when expecting an appt. But a simple call or text would be appreciated.

I wanted to share a dream I had today. Even tho I do duos with summer this was quite different for me. I had a dream with a couple today. But the wife only wanted to watch. I got to have my way with her man and do everything and I mean everything (except Greek) with him. She was getting so aroused and the more I made her man moan the more excited she got which got me that much more excited and into the dream. I can almost assure you that she had an orgasim just by watching.

I wish more wife's were like this. I had so much fun. I am sure that many of you could only wish the same. It would save so much drama and sneakiness. Don't get me wrong, the excitement of being a bad girl arouses me a lot. But so many fantasy could be fulfilled without any hassles. This was the first for me for a couple and I only want more.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2100281]I just had a provider get pissed over reviews of girls in general. She wanted to know why us mongers don't get reviewed by providers. Maybe we should set up a thread for that. Of course, I doubt that the providers care about body type, how long our tongues are, the size of our dick, or how hard we get. Here's what we are supposed to do to hold up our part of the bargain: 1. Show up on time 2. Be clean 3. Pay the required fee without hassle. 4. Be nice to the girl. I doubt that the good providers care about anything else.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Note this is in blue, this will [b]Never, ever, ever[/B] happen on the USASG. Providers don't get to defend nor review beyond "I had a great time as well, thanks for the review.".

Why? Because the purpose of this forum is for men to talk about women for sex. Always has been, always will be.

A2[/blue].

Now privately, ladies, gather round, all you boys go away. Jax and I are pretty sure we are going to start a provider forum. (Like 90%) We want to do it in conjunction with the USA Adult Classifieds. We figure since you will soon be paying a nominal fee (seriously it's going to be fucking cheap, way cheaper than BP) to advertise, we should give you something. It will be free to any chick that has an ad on our classified site. For anybody that doesn't want to advertise but would like to be a member there will be a small subscription fee. (We have to charge something or all these guys will register as chicks and raise hell).

It would be a place for the ladies to post, he ripped me off, he doesn't wash his balls, he whatever, just like the fellas do here.

Shhhhhh, don't tell anybody.

This will also help out with those reference checks that never seem to come through. I want to suggest that it is made easily searchable as well.

For example, if Gentleman1 says I have seen Provider1 & Provider2, we should be able to search their handle in the ladies room. Ladies don't have to use this just as alerts but can also use this as, "I have seen him & he was a gentleman I would welcome back".

Just my little ole' suggestion.

Keep up the great work!

Xoxo.

Amber.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2100999][BLUE]Note this is in blue, this will [b]Never, ever, ever[/BLUE] happen on the USASG. Providers don't get to defend nor review beyond "I had a great time as well, thanks for the review.".

Why? Because the purpose of this forum is for men to talk about women for sex. Always has been, always will be.

A2[/blue].

Now privately, ladies, gather round, all you boys go away. Jax and I are pretty sure we are going to start a provider forum. (Like 90%) We want to do it in conjunction with the USA Adult Classifieds. We figure since you will soon be paying a nominal fee (seriously it's going to be fucking cheap, way cheaper than BP) to advertise, we should give you something. It will be free to any chick that has an ad on our classified site. For anybody that doesn't want to advertise but would like to be a member there will be a small subscription fee. (We have to charge something or all these guys will register as chicks and raise hell).

It would be a place for the ladies to post, he ripped me off, he doesn't wash his balls, he whatever, just like the fellas do here.

Shhhhhh, don't tell anybody.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SweetTnA;2101022]This will also help out with those reference checks that never seem to come through. I want to suggest that it is made easily searchable as well.

For example, if Gentleman1 says I have seen Provider1 & Provider2, we should be able to search their handle in the ladies room. Ladies don't have to use this just as alerts but can also use this as, "I have seen him & he was a gentleman I would welcome back".

Just my little ole' suggestion.

Keep up the great work!

Xoxo.

Amber.[/QUOTE]IF it happens, it's not sure yet, but we want to. At first it won't be super sophisticated, but over time we will tune it up. Remember it's going to essentially be free. Free forums don't have a lot of development budget.

I'm thinking just a private place for you ladies to post notes.

I must admit I like the name "The Ladies Room" that is where you guys go to talk about boys after all.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;2100904]That was pretty much Cheech's point: "A Lot to KNOW". I.e. Way to much to reasonably account for, and certainly not something you can have a significant degree of certainty about.

You're right that they couldn't mandate that porn studios wear rubbers. Instead (and wisely) the porn industry decided to "self-regulate" to avoid the pursuit of the government. Same way the "comics code" was used to keep comics from being censored in the 50's, same reason hollywood "created" the MPAA, same reason the video game industry "created" the ESRB. The last thing anyone wants is for the government to start nosing in, and with these self-regulatory measures, the industries can reasonably say they are making an effort.

But do you guys forget the 90's? Performers wore rubbers for, like a decade, when aids was scaring the shit out of people. Now they just get tested on a very regular basis and are supposed to be up to date on a regular basis. And yet, still outbreaks happen.

I don't think doing BB is going to kill you. But it does increase your risk significantly. Would you rather play Russian roulette with a revolver with 5 chambers, or one with 100? Controlling for quality is probably a lot less effective than you think. You're rationalizing what you WANT to be true, and think the risk isn't that great because you haven't caught anything yet. Go BB, that's what you like. But don't walk around with your head up your ass about it. Realize you are taking a lot more risk, and if you have a wife / GF at home, you're putting her in a lot more risk, and if you see multiple girls, you are putting each of them at greater risk.[/QUOTE]I don't think doing BB is going to kill you. But it does increase your risk significantly. Would you rather play Russian roulette with a revolver with 5 chambers, or one with 100? Controlling for quality is probably a lot less effective than you think. You're rationalizing what you WANT to be true, and think the risk isn't that great because you haven't caught anything yet. Go BB, that's what you like. But don't walk around with your head up your ass about it. Realize you are taking a lot more risk, and if you have a wife / GF at home, you're putting her in a lot more risk, and if you see multiple girls, you are putting each of them at greater risk. QUOTE_)I agree it does and no rationalizing but since less than one percent of the WHOLE porn industry tests positive every year and they are fucking like rabbits in spite of mandated testing and allegedly both men and women get tested in this The GOOD ONES LOL The risk seems minimal Having no wife or SO and loving the feel of pussy on me I am very particular about who gets my business. I do agree with you and Cheech on testing but it is only as good as the next experience with a man or woman. No matter how distasteful it is with some menand women it is still a viable option for many And as has been said many times on the site NOTHING IS Safe or preventable so the most we can hope for is lowering the risks and most everything is cureable these days.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2100999][BLUE]Note this is in blue, this will [b]Never, ever, ever[/B] happen on the USASG. Providers don't get to defend nor review beyond "I had a great time as well, thanks for the review.".

Why? Because the purpose of this forum is for men to talk about women for sex. Always has been, always will be.

A2[/blue].

Now privately, ladies, gather round, all you boys go away. Jax and I are pretty sure we are going to start a provider forum. (Like 90%) We want to do it in conjunction with the USA Adult Classifieds. We figure since you will soon be paying a nominal fee (seriously it's going to be fucking cheap, way cheaper than BP) to advertise, we should give you something. It will be free to any chick that has an ad on our classified site. For anybody that doesn't want to advertise but would like to be a member there will be a small subscription fee. (We have to charge something or all these guys will register as chicks and raise hell).

It would be a place for the ladies to post, he ripped me off, he doesn't wash his balls, he whatever, just like the fellas do here.

Shhhhhh, don't tell anybody.[/QUOTE]Love this idea. This would be awesome to be able to talk back and forth with the ladies for notes and things. I have had several members make appts and then not show and this would be idea for putting notes like this. It also helps by pass references that we ladies can't seen to get half the time. The downfall is a ladie or two may get mad and post a bad note because maybe she didn't get her way or her regular went elsewhere but I would have to see it from a reputable provider or more than one bad note before I would believe it. But overall it's a FANTASIC idea. Great idea A2.

[QUOTE=ClassASweetie;2101181]Love this idea. This would be awesome to be able to talk back and forth with the ladies for notes and things. I have had several members make appts and then not show and this would be idea for putting notes like this. It also helps by pass references that we ladies can't seen to get half the time. The downfall is a ladie or two may get mad and post a bad note because maybe she didn't get her way or her regular went elsewhere but I would have to see it from a reputable provider or more than one bad note before I would believe it. But overall it's a FANTASIC idea. Great idea A2.[/QUOTE]It's always about the aggregate of the info. If 10 girls say a guy is great and one says he beat her then you know the one is lying. That's why I always tell the chicks to not get upset over one bad review.

I would hope they wouldn't, but I know that would happen. I think less though because it won't be as accessible.

[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2101176]I don't think doing BB is going to kill you. But it does increase your risk significantly. Would you rather play Russian roulette with a revolver with 5 chambers, or one with 100? Controlling for quality is probably a lot less effective than you think. You're rationalizing what you WANT to be true, and think the risk isn't that great because you haven't caught anything yet. Go BB, that's what you like. But don't walk around with your head up your ass about it. Realize you are taking a lot more risk, and if you have a wife / GF at home, you're putting her in a lot more risk, and if you see multiple girls, you are putting each of them at greater risk. QUOTE_)I agree it does and no rationalizing but since less than one percent of the WHOLE porn industry tests positive every year and they are fucking like rabbits in spite of mandated testing and allegedly both men and women get tested in this The GOOD ONES LOL The risk seems minimal Having no wife or SO and loving the feel of pussy on me I am very particular about who gets my business. I do agree with you and Cheech on testing but it is only as good as the next experience with a man or woman. No matter how distasteful it is with some menand women it is still a viable option for many And as has been said many times on the site NOTHING IS Safe or preventable so the most we can hope for is lowering the risks and most everything is cureable these days.[/QUOTE]Being 56 years old, and having experienced risk of many and varied types over the years, and having read the previous posts, I want to mention that there is no such thing as no risk. There are calculated risks, and stupid risks, and unavoidable risks. Among others.

We all take risks in life, from getting out of bed in the morning, to going to sleep at night, and even while we sleep. The trick is to take calculated risks and use your big head all the time. I have done the best I can at that, I think, and have never caught anything except for one case of the crabs when I was 22, from the daughter of a co-worker of mine. Much bigger risk from the gestapo than from STDs.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=TNT101;2100196]BP is hit or miss when trying to get clear what the provider offers. NR you have to pay as a guy to get more details and can be weak with intel. USA really helps understand the providers menu and you usually can ask if you don't see what you want. Even the provider who has a individual web site sometimes isn't helpful.[/QUOTE]Nothing worse than spending time and resources to be with the woman in the pics, only to find out CBJ and mish is the extent of the menu. Many thanks to those who give a description / menu within the review.

It is easy to spend countless hours and dollars on any site, or even SA, AM, Match etc...go out on a date only to discover CBJ and mish CFS is where the line is drawn. No thanks. Wouldn't it be nice if all ladies, away from the hobby, in their dating website profiles wrote their no limits, and the frequency they liked to have sex?

It would be nice to have a good way of finding out a providers menu by way of phone or text / email. Roses or $'s are usually discussed in the thread of messages and it is never easy or smart to discuss the menu options in association with the roses. I usually discuss what I like to see in good porn and see if a provider agrees with that, but that stills leaves it in a gray area. Understandably some providers do not advertise the entire menu in a public ad.

What is the best way to discuss the menu over the phone / text / email?

I might win the random asshole award for mentioning this, but here it goes. Escort Classified section. Been wanting to post this for a time without regard to opinions coming back towards me.

It's one of my first go-to spots on this site. I'm looking at the new talent, the repeaters and then those who take the effort to change up and post new pictures. I didn't write nude, I wrote NEW. Don't thumbnail your pics. I want to enlarge those pictures so I can see up close, not blurred or snowy pics that are done either by a cheap phone or app thinking you have a fog machine setting in your location.

I really don't care if ya got baby damage from 2003, or a medical treatment that left your skin imperfect from 1999. Those pics should be something of the design that you want me as your next, trying every position short of bend over pics at walmart showing what wasn't supposed to be seen.

To the providers that fly UTR or through the design anonymity, never post pictures. Heard of a mask? Sunglasses? Editing out tattoos or hiding a well known birth mark? Some of us will never enjoy your time without the 'seeing is believing' concept. There could be 400 reviews of stellar reputation, a blind purchase is what it is whether a car or a carrot. Sometimes the mystique of not knowing before the door opens is a great thing but sometimes a monger review is strictly YMMV in a lot of ways. Some even misleading in what beginning times can be and what they become as time mows over. Only so many descriptive adjectives, word phrases and desired expectations buy the intimidating factor to pull the trigger to go forward with a chance to try, but what's good for one may be entirely different for another, found that to be the case on more than one occasion. It is a limiting experience for those who are selective in their ability to chance the moment.

To those who post the same pictures over and over and over again: Why? The only targets you're hitting are new eyes to the design. The rest are scanning over to the next like myself. Everyone, everyone normally has a pic taking capability and if you don't, one visit from a monger carries that ability to change that if it doesn't. It's a FACT. Some are trying to accomplish this and change up pictures which I applaud. I'm one of those who have instantly started long running relationships with some that one picture add or change of lingerie still paves fortune to this day. Act like you want the majority not the minority and you'll have a better chance to wipe out dry spells in your week to week. Take pictures like you got caught in the moment, that your best friend saw your shirt gaping and took shots of your beauty. Wear the tight fuck me yoga pants so I know what that figure is like without the nudity so I know those curves. Nudes are not always a requirement so make that a design where someone doesn't know until face to face in so many ways. If you've got the body then you know even a burlap sack is going to grace those curves and show just enough to get the drive to the door to happen much quicker.

I think I've said my peace on this, some very attractive women that could harness a great deal more potential if they applied it to the number one design men are known for; visuals. Don't take pics like you're a deer in the headlights, picture yourself like you've just reached through my computer and desire to have a man in your company for whatever is desired and toss the hinesight and questions of whether it's a good move or not. Those who are calculated get frustrated seeing some of those who are just not giving their best shots. You got this far take it to the next level where you should already be. Just my humble opinion as I'm getting bored hitting that category seeing the same pics from two years ago.

Just go ahead and sing along, we know it be true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX4hN2KAaww

[QUOTE=NKY747;2102459]I might win the random asshole award for mentioning this, but here it goes. Escort Classified section. Been wanting to post this for a time without regard to opinions coming back towards me.

It's one of my first go-to spots on this site. I'm looking at the new talent, the repeaters and then those who take the effort to change up and post new pictures. I didn't write nude, I wrote NEW. Don't thumbnail your pics. I want to enlarge those pictures so I can see up close, not blurred or snowy pics that are done either by a cheap phone or app thinking you have a fog machine setting in your location.

I really don't care if ya got baby damage from 2003, or a medical treatment that left your skin imperfect from 1999. Those pics should be something of the design that you want me as your next, trying every position short of bend over pics at walmart showing what wasn't supposed to be seen.

To the providers that fly UTR or through the design anonymity, never post pictures. Heard of a mask? Sunglasses? Editing out tattoos or hiding a well known birth mark? Some of us will never enjoy your time without the 'seeing is believing' concept. There could be 400 reviews of stellar reputation, a blind purchase is what it is whether a car or a carrot. Sometimes the mystique of not knowing before the door opens is a great thing but sometimes a monger review is strictly YMMV in a lot of ways. Some even misleading in what beginning times can be and what they become as time mows over. Only so many descriptive adjectives, word phrases and desired expectations buy the intimidating factor to pull the trigger to go forward with a chance to try, but what's good for one may be entirely different for another, found that to be the case on more than one occasion. It is a limiting experience for those who are selective in their ability to chance the moment.

To those who post the same pictures over and over and over again: Why? The only targets you're hitting are new eyes to the design. The rest are scanning over to the next like myself. Everyone, everyone normally has a pic taking capability and if you don't, one visit from a monger carries that ability to change that if it doesn't. It's a FACT. Some are trying to accomplish this and change up pictures which I applaud. I'm one of those who have instantly started long running relationships with some that one picture add or change of lingerie still paves fortune to this day. Act like you want the majority not the minority and you'll have a better chance to wipe out dry spells in your week to week. Take pictures like you got caught in the moment, that your best friend saw your shirt gaping and took shots of your beauty. Wear the tight fuck me yoga pants so I know what that figure is like without the nudity so I know those curves. Nudes are not always a requirement so make that a design where someone doesn't know until face to face in so many ways. If you've got the body then you know even a burlap sack is going to grace those curves and show just enough to get the drive to the door to happen much quicker.

I think I've said my peace on this, some very attractive women that could harness a great deal more potential if they applied it to the number one design men are known for; visuals. Don't take pics like you're a deer in the headlights, picture yourself like you've just reached through my computer and desire to have a man in your company for whatever is desired and toss the hinesight and questions of whether it's a good move or not. Those who are calculated get frustrated seeing some of those who are just not giving their best shots. You got this far take it to the next level where you should already be. Just my humble opinion as I'm getting bored hitting that category seeing the same pics from two years ago.[/QUOTE]Those who do I think get lots of repeats. Those who don't aren't in the hobby to long. Your a wise owl my friend.

You sir do not win the asshole award in my opinion. I couldn't agree more with your opinion on the pictures. Something about seeing the same old pics week in and week out makes me think "eh not much effort put in there", though I'm not saying there isn't any effort. Sometimes being teased is more effective than seeing the whole shabang. Getting creative and taking some candid style shots works too. Just my 2 cents.