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[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6796014]That's the only way LEO has a case, by exaggerating the situation, saying they are forced to live where they work, amongst other bullshit. That's their weapon when they try to close down an AMP, saying they saw bedding material where the ladies were sleeping. Hell, sometimes I sleep in my office when it's late. There isn't anything wrong with sleeping where you work. It's just LEO being stupid. BTT ladies know what the fuck they were doing and got filthy rich from it.[/QUOTE]You are not familiar with the law in this area.

18 USA C. 2421:

Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

The law makes no distinction whether the individual consented or not.

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6795822]I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?[/QUOTE]No, no exploitation. They did it because they needed money, and some friends told them it was safe with BTT. Or they came with a specific type of visa with the intent of being sex workers. They also did it seasonally, e. G. , here with a student visa, and they wanted to make some money during the summer break.

I am 100% sure that exploitation is a real issue, but it was not the case with BTT. That's why, in the latest affidavits, they did not mention anything in those terms. However, it is disgusting when you see those "activists" victimizing the sex workers in the BTT case. Bullshit. If LE would follow up on the ladies, many of them would get deported because they are working in other states. LOL.

I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. I've come to be less and less comfortable with contributing money to the kinds of operations BTT are a part of, which undoubtedly are international organized crime syndicates. Now, I'll grant that many people exaggerate or misunderstand the circumstances that bring the providers into the work they do. From my own experiences, which includes many fairly heartfelt conversations with providers at predecessor agencies (I was a very frequent client of BAD), I've never had a sense that the most horrific stereotypes were true in their cases: kidnapping, beatings, drugging etc. Those things do happen in parts of the underworld, but I've never seen evidence that they characterize the part of the Korean sex industry that services operations like BTT, BAD, etc. I think most are in the business because they are compelled for complicated reasons and they face few if any alternatives to getting themselves or their families out of dire circumstances. I've heard from many Korean women about a similar situation, in which they or their immediate family had to borrow money for urgent needs and then ended up deciding / being encouraged to repay it through sex work. I presume this is a partnership between loan sharks and pimps which ends up with the payment for loans paid back through a few years of being cycling through operations like BTT. WHile I'm sure there are some that do so completely from free will and for financial or other benefit, I think the majority do so out of a certain desperation even if the motivation is more economic. I'm not judging from a high horse, I have certainly partaken in the pleasures of being a client that enjoys the services these businesses offer. But I can still recognize that the service I'm enjoying comes at the price of pain for others, and this does encourage me to put more energy into building relations with indies rather than using these agencies. I know my post will result in some unhinged replies but I think most of us know what the deal is.

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6795822]I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?[/QUOTE]

So if prostitution is illegal because "porn stars are paid to act and prostitutes are paid for sex" then would sex with a camera-friendly prostitute amount to porn? Just brainstorming you know. LOL.

"The distinction is a very fine one and comes down to a string of cases finding that porn performances actually constitute acting subject to the artistic expression protections of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Thus, the distinction is that, at least in theory, porn stars are paid to act and prostitutes are paid for sex. ".

[URL]https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/why-is-pornography-legal-and-prostitution-is-not-31164[/URL]

[QUOTE=KashkaiBoy;6796733]I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. [/QUOTE]As with most things, there are fine lines of distinction the closer one wants to look.

A number of years ago I met a woman via Seeking Arrangements; she was an Israeli working here for one of those pop-ups in a mall that sells cosmetics containing "salt from the Dead Sea. ".

These businesses are pretty notorious. They recruit young people in Israel, fly them here, hook them up with lodging (often 3 or more per bedroom in a 2 or 3 br apartment), and have them work at the store in the mall. Out of whatever on-paper hourly wage they earn, they have to pay back the transportation and lodging. They work around 60-70 hrs / week. And the "managers" keep their passports. They clearly are not free to leave at any time and are maybe closer to "indentured servants" than "slaves" if you will.

Can someone define this term? BTT is not listed in the abbreviations, general or regional.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bran001;6796982]As with most things, there are fine lines of distinction the closer one wants to look.

A number of years ago I met a woman via Seeking Arrangements; she was an Israeli working here for one of those pop-ups in a mall that sells cosmetics containing "salt from the Dead Sea. ".

These businesses are pretty notorious. They recruit young people in Israel, fly them here, hook them up with lodging (often 3 or more per bedroom in a 2 or 3 br apartment), and have them work at the store in the mall. Out of whatever on-paper hourly wage they earn, they have to pay back the transportation and lodging. They work around 60-70 hrs / week. And the "managers" keep their passports. They clearly are not free to leave at any time and are maybe closer to "indentured servants" than "slaves" if you will.[/QUOTE]No kidding I remember seeing that at the mall like 10 15 yrs ago.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;6797299]Can someone define this term? BTT is not listed in the abbreviations, general or regional.[/QUOTE]Boston's Top Ten.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;6797304][URL]https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you, CNN.

What do you think people are talking about?

[QUOTE=MaxWalker86;6797333]No kidding I remember seeing that at the mall like 10 15 yrs ago.[/QUOTE]You are mistaken about the circumstances. I know one young woman who did that for a summer. She had none of those onerous restrictions, and used her free time to tour Boston before returning to Israel in the Fall.

I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - [URL]https://messages.textfree.us[/URL]). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.

[QUOTE=Bastardale;6798638]I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - [URL]https://messages.textfree.us[/URL]). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.[/QUOTE]I do the same thing you do and for the same reasons. I get the same calls and others here have mentioned the same thing. They are spoofed calls, just ignore them. I think they are from contacting a Latina ad.

[QUOTE=KashkaiBoy;6796733]I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. I've come to be less and less comfortable with contributing money to the kinds of operations BTT are a part of, which undoubtedly are international organized crime syndicates. Now, I'll grant that many people exaggerate or misunderstand the circumstances that bring the providers into the work they do. From my own experiences, which includes many fairly heartfelt conversations with providers at predecessor agencies (I was a very frequent client of BAD), I've never had a sense that the most horrific stereotypes were true in their cases: kidnapping, beatings, drugging etc. Those things do happen in parts of the underworld, but I've never seen evidence that they characterize the part of the Korean sex industry that services operations like BTT, BAD, etc. I think most are in the business because they are compelled for complicated reasons and they face few if any alternatives to getting themselves or their families out of dire circumstances. I've heard from many Korean women about a similar situation, in which they or their immediate family had to borrow money for urgent needs and then ended up deciding / being encouraged to repay it through sex work. I presume this is a partnership between loan sharks and pimps which ends up with the payment for loans paid back through a few years of being cycling through operations like BTT. WHile I'm sure there are some that do so completely from free will and for financial or other benefit, I think the majority do so out of a certain desperation even if the motivation is more economic. I'm not judging from a high horse, I have certainly partaken in the pleasures of being a client that enjoys the services these businesses offer. But I can still recognize that the service I'm enjoying comes at the price of pain for others, and this does encourage me to put more energy into building relations with indies rather than using these agencies. I know my post will result in some unhinged replies but I think most of us know what the deal is.[/QUOTE]If they are Korean who were born in South Korea then it can be exaggerated. They may choose by their own will for luxury bags or gambling or whatever reason.

But if they are Korean who were born in China then get Korean nationality later, they may be more Chinese than Korean. Just like Russian Israeli who got Israel nationality only cause they have Jewish ancestors. Their brain is just Chinese, and real exploitation can be likely.

Hey east coast Korean heritage Chinese lies that they are Korean a lot cause s Korea is more welcomed in America society, most of you here can not distinguish them by accent while Koreans can easily. They s Korean even distinguish North Korean by accent.

If they are Japanese, maybe or maybe not. Japan sometimes have very weird social norm unlike most developed countries.

If they are Thai, Philippians, or others from se Asia, lower possibility of exploitation in America cause it is not easy for them with se countries passports to enter America so triffickers would not take too much risk when benefit from it is not that high. Hey let's be honest. Whatever yellow fever guys say, Asian women is not majority taste yet unlike east European girls or young young Latinas that eagerly try to come.

Anyway if you guys try to find, one media even reveal I'd (California drivers license of three arrested males).

[QUOTE=Bastardale;6798638]I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - [URL]https://messages.textfree.us[/URL]). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I had made calls for appointments but it was so rare and basically just asking if it was OK to drop in. One day I saw a call I missed on my cell. It was local PD business line. I called it asked them if they had called me for something. I had been involved in some items at the time completely outside of the hobby so it was possible they were calling me and not for trouble. The person that answered said nope, he even asked around. We both put it off to a scammed number.