[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5ad294ee-fd77-4efd-be2a-7b0ed6eabf5b[/URL]
Any info would be appreciated.
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[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5ad294ee-fd77-4efd-be2a-7b0ed6eabf5b[/URL]
Any info would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=KickBoxing;7224921][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5ad294ee-fd77-4efd-be2a-7b0ed6eabf5b[/URL]
Any info would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I texted with her for a bit. She seemed pleasant but then asked for a meet and greet for which she would be expecting money. I don't pay for meet and greets so we didn't talk any further. We never did discuss details.
[QUOTE=KickBoxing;7224921][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5ad294ee-fd77-4efd-be2a-7b0ed6eabf5b[/URL]
Any info would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I met her in person a couple of years ago. We made a plan to get together for an intimate date.
She ghosted. No reaching out ever yielding anything.
I think she's a flake and a phony.
[QUOTE=Markro3000;7225340]I met her in person a couple of years ago. We made a plan to get together for an intimate date.
She ghosted. No reaching out ever yielding anything.
I think she's a flake and a phony.[/QUOTE]Exactly same she is just here to connect meet and greet money.
[QUOTE=Original703;7223588]My favorite SB is one whose donation amount was more than what I typically pay; I told her so, and to demonstrate my seriousness, I proposed (at the end of our meal) a discounted rate for future playdates: I pay full price for our first overnight, and a little less on each subsequent overnight until we eventually reach a mutual comfort zone. She agreed, and the sugar relationship was a lot of fun.
She no longer sugars, thus no username or profile. But she'll probably eventually be back. A real cutie in Anacortes.[/QUOTE]Would this be a statuesque MILF who lives in Anacortes, and goes to Eastern Washington regularly? I had a review on her. I paid a lot more than I usually do for an SB, but the overnight was one of the hottest dates I have ever had. If I were in the Seattle area, that would be a real problem on the bank account. And if she stopped sugaring, that is a shame.
I'll be traveling and I am wondering if Scottsdale is a good place for good experience using SA. Also, is the per meet gift the same as it is in Seattle area? 500 half day maybe overnight.
Thank you for any information.
[QUOTE=Diver6390;7226032]Would this be a statuesque MILF who lives in Anacortes, and goes to Eastern Washington regularly? I had a review on her. I paid a lot more than I usually do for an SB, but the overnight was one of the hottest dates I have ever had. If I were in the Seattle area, that would be a real problem on the bank account. And if she stopped sugaring, that is a shame.[/QUOTE]No, the sugar baby I saw was younger than a MILF, and didn't (regularly) travel to Eastern Washington. She had a civvie job in addition to sugaring.
[QUOTE=Original703;7223588]She no longer sugars, thus no username or profile. But she'll probably eventually be back. A real cutie in Anacortes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MyNickname;7226695]I'll be traveling and I am wondering if Scottsdale is a good place for good experience using SA. Also, is the per meet gift the same as it is in Seattle area? 500 half day maybe overnight.
Thank you for any information.[/QUOTE]I have pulled plenty in SD and 500 will serve you well.
[QUOTE=MyNickname;7226695]I'll be traveling and I am wondering if Scottsdale is a good place for good experience using SA. Also, is the per meet gift the same as it is in Seattle area? 500 half day maybe overnight.
Thank you for any information.[/QUOTE]I don't do overnights, but the three is saw 29, 25,22 were in no rush to leave my room. Ladies know their real level IMO. A Seattle 9 is a 4-5 down there and the ladies act accordingly. All three were cool, not a whiff of GPS, and the sun was shining. How fucking refreshing! Don't get triggered now hehe. Let us know if the market has changed. I've been away from there 18 months. I'm not on SA anymore but DM if you want edited pic of some of my work. All could pull off two piece swimsuits and I would not mind my buddies seeing me at the bar with um.
Peace.
Anyone else having a problem logging into seeking? I enter my password then get an error message "Sorry, we experienced an issue loading this content". I still get emails for the 6 digit code. I was able to log on in my phone using the "progressive web app - pwa" on my phone.
I have a few girls I'm seeing. I'd like to find a new Asian girl if anyone wants to swap info and pics.
[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;7229965]I don't do overnights, but the three is saw 29, 25,22 were in no rush to leave my room. Ladies know their real level IMO. A Seattle 9 is a 4-5 down there and the ladies act accordingly. All three were cool, not a whiff of GPS, and the sun was shining. How fucking refreshing! Don't get triggered now hehe. Let us know if the market has changed. I've been away from there 18 months. I'm not on SA anymore but DM if you want edited pic of some of my work. All could pull off two piece swimsuits and I would not mind my buddies seeing me at the bar with um..[/QUOTE]And all like a previous post were in the 350-500. Don't over pay! There are not as many men as they want you to believe. That they can or are willing to sleep with for a half weeks worth of pay for the average guy. That's why they are always complaining about fellas. Do the math. Again, there rea way more women down there than up here in the misty forest.
Keep us informed.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7223159]She's not that bad looking LOL.[/QUOTE]She's a "queen" LOL. For a lunch and a drink if a guy liked that big stuff she should be happy!! Why do they think. They can pull a top man? That still blows away. I guess it stated when we accepted BBW over fat chick. Wow, language is so important. A weapon.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7220808]If anyone is looking for other ladies in the Seattle area, these ones seem to be looking for some help. I usually have good luck with single moms and ones in their late 20's, and I look for things in their profiles that sound like they are looking to meet up for something casual. Here are a few I just found now:
DollfaceNeko, 32, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73543454&nsp=1[/URL]
"Currently 21 weeks pregnant. Single mother I am in desperate need of more funds. Rust me with your bdsm, NSFW" (single mom looking to make some cash are my kryptonite).
Shesdivine, 25, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73552416&nsp=1[/URL]
"hosting or coming to you wouldn't be a hassle" (the one under 30 who can host are rare).
Annalove, 35, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73555593&nsp=1[/URL]
"European trained ballerina. Sensual, flexible, and eager to please. ".
Nia, 19, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73525315&nsp=1[/URL]
"not interested in a serious relationship. Looking for someone who is a Dom".
Kaylalove, 19, Bellevue.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73630445&nsp=1[/URL]
"looking for my sugar daddy. 19 years old and always down for adventures!" (has several updates to her Moments. Good sign).
Mindyouryogi, 34, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73624855&nsp=1[/URL]
"Performer from Seattle. Serious about meeting" (stripper maybe?
A lot of these girls are on Seeking as well as SDM so I included the pictures if anyone recognizes them from there.[/QUOTE]I am chatting with this one currently.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=73555593[/URL]
$500 ppm, condom everything no kissing but can host. Smells like a pro but she is real at least. I said no thanks and she dropped to $300 immediately. Might have to take a stab at it.
[QUOTE=Diver6390;7226032]Would this be a statuesque MILF who lives in Anacortes, and goes to Eastern Washington regularly? I had a review on her. I paid a lot more than I usually do for an SB, but the overnight was one of the hottest dates I have ever had. If I were in the Seattle area, that would be a real problem on the bank account. And if she stopped sugaring, that is a shame.[/QUOTE]Ahhh Sarah Lee. Murders my wallet.
[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;7233827]I am chatting with this one currently.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=73555593[/URL]
$500 ppm, condom everything no kissing but can host. Smells like a pro but she is real at least. I said no thanks and she dropped to $300 immediately. Might have to take a stab at it.[/QUOTE]Looks like a pro, yes. Also yes, looks real.
"Condom everything" is, to me, not even worth $100. But let us know how it goes!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/567d9990-2842-40ad-b699-83653127a91f[/URL]
On the hunt for a new Asian girl. Anyone have any info?.
[QUOTE=KickBoxing;7235372][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/567d9990-2842-40ad-b699-83653127a91f[/URL]
On the hunt for a new Asian girl. Anyone have any info?.[/QUOTE]I don't know her, but there's almost literally nothing between Bend and Portland. So where is this girl?
Experience with actually Portland girls that claim they're in Seattle often is that they're essentially never in Seattle.
This one looks cute, but it's a red flag when they mention being about "intimacy" and it's redder when they are nowhere near Seattle.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7220808]If anyone is looking for other ladies in the Seattle area, these ones seem to be looking for some help. I usually have good luck with single moms and ones in their late 20's, and I look for things in their profiles that sound like they are looking to meet up for something casual. Here are a few I just found now:
DollfaceNeko, 32, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73543454&nsp=1[/URL]
"Currently 21 weeks pregnant. Single mother I am in desperate need of more funds. Rust me with your bdsm, NSFW" (single mom looking to make some cash are my kryptonite).
Shesdivine, 25, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73552416&nsp=1[/URL]
"hosting or coming to you wouldn't be a hassle" (the one under 30 who can host are rare).
Annalove, 35, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73555593&nsp=1[/URL]
"European trained ballerina. Sensual, flexible, and eager to please. ".
Nia, 19, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73525315&nsp=1[/URL]
"not interested in a serious relationship. Looking for someone who is a Dom".
Kaylalove, 19, Bellevue.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73630445&nsp=1[/URL]
"looking for my sugar daddy. 19 years old and always down for adventures!" (has several updates to her Moments. Good sign).
Mindyouryogi, 34, Seattle.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73624855&nsp=1[/URL]
"Performer from Seattle. Serious about meeting" (stripper maybe?
A lot of these girls are on Seeking as well as SDM so I included the pictures if anyone recognizes them from there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;7233827]I am chatting with this one currently.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73555593[/URL]
$500 ppm, condom everything no kissing but can host. Smells like a pro but she is real at least. I said no thanks and she dropped to $300 immediately. Might have to take a stab at it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, kind of the whole reason I go the sugar route is to avoid those LOL But you know if she almost cuts the price immediately, maybe the condom is optional too.
Looks like she just added that opera video to her profile. Something about a women singing in Italian with not much on could get me hard enough to wrap up.
I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.
[QUOTE=Kggcx;7235824]I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]Venmo.
Get your lawyer to write up a sugar contract and sign it in front of a notary. Call the sugar police if she doesn't hold up her end of the bargain. Or just don't go on allowance until you trust that she will meet her part of the deal. And don't be so poor that get ghosting you after paying her allowance makes you do anything other than shrug and move on.
[QUOTE=DilzParty;7236181]Venmo.
Get your lawyer to write up a sugar contract and sign it in front of a notary. Call the sugar police if she doesn't hold up her end of the bargain. Or just don't go on allowance until you trust that she will meet her part of the deal. And don't be so poor that get ghosting you after paying her allowance makes you do anything other than shrug and move on.[/QUOTE]What he's saying is, you're hosed man. It's like the guy that wants to make sure she doesn't show up with her BFs jizz in her for your date at the high end steak house you pay for! Hahah.
[QUOTE=Kggcx;7235824]I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]You are on your own and there is no way you can enforce anything. You have to trust them.
In practice most arrangements with an allowance don't end nicely.
That's why you stick to PPM most of the time.
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;7236498]You are on your own and there is no way you can enforce anything. You have to trust them.
In practice most arrangements with an allowance don't end nicely.
That's why you stick to PPM most of the time.[/QUOTE]For sure. Give her a allowance and she'll she'll having every excuse in the book to not come over (she's freshly fucked by her BF). Guys do allowance to boost their own ego IMO. Horrible idea, IMO. She works, she gets paid, she starts BS, I bail.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7235750]Yeah, kind of the whole reason I go the sugar route is to avoid those LOL But you know if she almost cuts the price immediately, maybe the condom is optional too.
Looks like she just added that opera video to her profile. Something about a women singing in Italian with not much on could get me hard enough to wrap up.[/QUOTE]They are all pros if you knew how many guys they fuck off seeking Again, they live a sea of delusion. " I'm not a sex worker if I say I'm something else when he puts 500 bucks in my pants after fucking me," My current one calls it sex work, "like who am I kidding? She says. Delusion chip must be faulty in this model. The poor bastards that will one day marry up these women. God.
Help them.
At least she's skinny! Guess the Tuckwila opera don't pay that well!!
[QUOTE=Kggcx;7235824]I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]Only way is allowance for services rendered. Good luck with that. You could just agree on a monthly allowance and break it up over the visits you plan to see them. Make sure to take federal and Medicaid out first and send them a W2 at the end of the year.
Joking mostly but, like others have said, ppm or allowance into ppm. One and the same really but they might be more eager to meet up if they know they're banking a set amount over the course of a month. Ya know what, just stick to ppm. I'm getting a headache trying to finagle sense out of this! LOL.
So-Crates.
[QUOTE=Kggcx;7235824]I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]Be sure to agree on how many dates you'll get in exchange for a monthly allowance. Then divide that allowance by the number of dates, and pay the proportional amount (of the allowance) on each date.
Cash or gift cards or bitcoin [B]to maximize anonymity[/B].
Cashapp or Paypal to achieve some level of anonymity.
For this hobby, I stay away from Venmo and other electronic payment methods.
[QUOTE=Original703;7237139]Be sure to agree on how many dates you'll get in exchange for a monthly allowance. Then divide that allowance by the number of dates, and pay the proportional amount (of the allowance) on each date.
Cash or gift cards or bitcoin [B]to maximize anonymity[/B].
Cashapp or Paypal to achieve some level of anonymity.
For this hobby, I stay away from Venmo and other electronic payment methods.[/QUOTE]Sounds like PPM to me!
[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7236639]Only way is allowance for services rendered. Good luck with that. You could just agree on a monthly allowance and break it up over the visits you plan to see them. Make sure to take federal and Medicaid out first and send them a W2 at the end of the year.
Joking mostly but, like others have said, ppm or allowance into ppm. One and the same really but they might be more eager to meet up if they know they're banking a set amount over the course of a month. Ya know what, just stick to ppm. I'm getting a headache trying to finagle sense out of this! LOL..[/QUOTE]Headache for sure. Regular dating is starting to look appealing. Problem is as an older guy I get hit up by women in their 40's. The ones that got too old for Seeking. Yuk!
Look, it only work as PPM. That way neither the SD gets burned by baby taking money and not seeing the SD and SB don't feel obligated to do things the SD wants but she doesn't. Works both ways and you need to have game to negotiate ppm as an allowance. Meaning she understands is an allowance given in parts.
[QUOTE=Kggcx;7235824]I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]
I fucked this one last year when she was in town. She's back in town and reached out but I already have too many in my lineup. Pics are accurate, short thick ginger. The sex was fun but nothing exceptional. She was a lot of fun in the bar before going to the room, great conversation and very outgoing. I don't remember exactly what the damage was but it was in the $400 range.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26287682-feac-4e34-aaea-a4bc020b3bcd[/URL]
[QUOTE=MyNickname;7237959]Look, it only work as PPM. That way neither the SD gets burned by baby taking money and not seeing the SD and SB don't feel obligated to do things the SD wants but she doesn't. Works both ways and you need to have game to negotiate ppm as an allowance. Meaning she u
nderstands is an allowance given in parts.[/QUOTE]Your money, she needs it, tell her what you expect and how it works for you, she don't agree, move on. Game is for normy chicks. 10SBs to every 1 of us. (if only we acted this way). They are sitting on their phones at home more that than want us to believe.
You're a man not a s----
y'all get it.
Hit this one up because I liked her pics and she was fairly close. Minimum chatting on the board then to text. She initially asked for 700 ppm but immediately accepted my counter offer. Set up a meet for the same day, had a couple drinks and she was down to fuck. She can't host.
She's a decent kisser, decent head, cums multiple times once you get her going. Nice creamy and fairly tight pussy, took it raw without hesitation. Several positions and a couple orgasms later and I filled her up. Decent get together. She doesn't like fingers inside but likes to be rubbed and have her clit licked.
Be aware that even though the pics are her, they are old and about 30 lbs ago, so instead of a tight body your getting a young MILF with a little baby damage, a pouch tummy and a decent looking but jiggly ass, b cup breasts. Might repeat just because it was convenient and a very easy setup.
No, I won't share her number and you didn't hear anything from me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7f542b7a-d96f-40ad-bdfa-acb1e841eea2[/URL]
[QUOTE=Bronco62;7244432]Hit this one up because I liked her pics and she was fairly close. Minimum chatting on the board then to text. She initially asked for 700 ppm but immediately accepted my counter offer. Set up a meet for the same day, had a couple drinks and she was down to fuck. She can't host.
She's a decent kisser, decent head, cums multiple times once you get her going. Nice creamy and fairly tight pussy, took it raw without hesitation. Several positions and a couple orgasms later and I filled her up. Decent get together. She doesn't like fingers inside but likes to be rubbed and have her clit licked.
Be aware that even though the pics are her, they are old and about 30 lbs ago, so instead of a tight body your getting a young MILF with a little baby damage, a pouch tummy and a decent looking but jiggly ass, b cup breasts. Might repeat just because it was convenient and a very easy setup.
No, I won't share her number and you didn't hear anything from me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7f542b7a-d96f-40ad-bdfa-acb1e841eea2[/URL][/QUOTE]Funny you brought her up, she reached me back on there. Now I have to fill her up. Hopefully won't cause any more baby damage. Fingers crossed.
3 weeks in and started off well with a few wins at good rates. What I am running into is not being able to host and many of them are not able too. Of course there is the hotel but that runs up the cost because god forbid they chip in. LOL.
Any advise on the following:
-if neither can host, working in the cost of the hotel into their rate. So if they want 500 but we need a hotel, then they should take 400.
-getting them off the site and into text is key but found some girls that won't kiss, so it is one of the first things I ask after we agree on a price, what their rules are. Any other tips.
-any other general tips to save time. Lots of time invested then they don't pan out due to taking forever to text back or schedules don't align.
[QUOTE=RocketMan3;7244766]Any advise on the following:
-if neither can host, working in the cost of the hotel into their rate. So if they want 500 but we need a hotel, then they should take 400.[/QUOTE]My advice is don't do this. Most women from the site hate that. Rather, be firm but reasonable on your offer of ppm. If they eventually do offer the ability to host, then you can be open to slightly upping the ppm as you'll still come out ahead.
[QUOTE]-getting them off the site and into text is key but found some girls that won't kiss, so it is one of the first things I ask after we agree on a price, what their rules are. Any other tips.[/QUOTE]I had one that wouldn't kiss but she gave great head, took it everywhere, and was always on time and reliable. Normally, no kissing is a totally dealbreaker. Honestly, the meet / greet method gives you a read on the type of woman you're meeting. Many are non pros and act like non pros. They're the best SBs but not always the best sex.
Weirdly, my non-kisser was a total non pro, just irrational about kissing.
[QUOTE]-any other general tips to save time. Lots of time invested then they don't pan out due to taking forever to text back or schedules don't align.[/QUOTE]Seeking is a time waster. No doubt. The more aggressive you get in trying to set terms immediately, the more many of the women will just ghost.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7235750]Yeah, kind of the whole reason I go the sugar route is to avoid those LOL But you know if she almost cuts the price immediately, maybe the condom is optional too.
Looks like she just added that opera video to her profile. Something about a women singing in Italian with not much on could get me hard enough to wrap up.[/QUOTE]Reporting back on Anna as I saw her last week. She is a tall ex-professional dancer who is now a stripper at Devil's Triangle in SLU. We texted for a bit and she was cold, but still decided to give it a try. Agreed to meet at her place as I am free late mornings. Met her (brought coffee which was a win) and she had a cute little thing on and her apartment is nice. She has average size tits and a small ass, but is very long and gives off great sensual vibes. We chatted for a while, she is pretty easy to chat with and got down to it. It was a good time, she begged for another round even though I had to go so I gave her what she wanted. The condom was a requirement, no negotiating there, but even though she said no kissing we were making out like high school kids pretty quickly. I think she has been burned by clients at the club as well as other SD and is wary. She also might be moving away soon, but I plan on seeing her again.
One huge downside? She has a cat and the place very much smells like she has a cat, which is pretty damn close to a deal breaker for me. But she def is worth the trip again.
[QUOTE=Markro3000;7244909]My advice is don't do this. Most women from the site hate that. Rather, be firm but reasonable on your offer of ppm. If they eventually do offer the ability to host, then you can be open to slightly upping the ppm as you'll still come out ahead.
I had one that wouldn't kiss but she gave great head, took it everywhere, and was always on time and reliable. Normally, no kissing is a totally dealbreaker. Honestly, the meet / greet method gives you a read on the type of woman you're meeting. Many are non pros and act like non pros. They're the best SBs but not always the best sex.
Weirdly, my non-kisser was a total non pro, just irrational about kissing.
Seeking is a time waster. No doubt. The more aggressive you get in trying to set terms immediately, the more many of the women will just ghost.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. One other thing I'm finding is that most these girls are horrible at communicating via text. I would imagine they have 1 K unread texts all the time. Its hard to get them to respond to get details to make sure I'm aligned with them (rate, rules, hosting, etc.). I try to get as much of that info as possible so that the Meet and greet is not a waste of time.
Also, I do not like to pay for Meet and greets. But fiding that harder to find.
[QUOTE=RocketMan3;7245855]Thanks for this. One other thing I'm finding is that most these girls are horrible at communicating via text. I would imagine they have 1 K unread texts all the time. Its hard to get them to respond to get details to make sure I'm aligned with them (rate, rules, hosting, etc.). I try to get as much of that info as possible so that the Meet and greet is not a waste of time.
Also, I do not like to pay for Meet and greets. But fiding that harder to find.[/QUOTE]Assume they have the attention span of a cat. If you text them, text one subject at a time. If you text three questions in one text they invariably will only respond to one of the questions. Called me jaded but most of these women aren't on SA because they got their act together and are organized.
[QUOTE=Twister100;7246526]Called me jaded but most of these women aren't on SA because they got their act together and are organized.[/QUOTE]That's pretty correct. The way I see it the Sugar Bowl is where women who are too dysfunctional to be strippers or escorts end up. And a lot of these girls would be gold medalists if being dysfunctional was an Olympic sport.
Some of them can fake it (being a normal adult) for a while bit it inevitably leads to a messy downward spiral.
One of them I saw for a few years in the early 2010s is a Poster Child for how low the bottom can be. She sometimes calls or emails me (inevitably to hit me up for money). Last phone call I got from her she was living in the bushes in Hawaii with some guy and shoplifting for food. She has a fucking masters degree in international business and speaks six languages.