"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I have been having luck in my regular dating. I'm banging one latina and a mixed girl. I met at the bar for free and dating expeneses like drinks. I still want to enjoy the sugar while I can the economy is getting better, so that means the quality of girls will decrease to just low income girls. My economic projections have the economy getting better in 2014. So I decided to enjoy the last of the golden era. I signed back up to SA and tried sd4me. I am looking just for one at the most two high quality SD's since I am enjoying free pussy now.

POT1A- AA 22 thick average body cute face seems normal senior in college, has a full time job.

We talked on the phone she seems pretty normal sent me pics of her huge thick ass, but I offered to meet.

At a hotel first meet she agreed as long as we met outside first. This gave me a huge feeling that she was a non pro.

I am not in the market for a non pro only legitimate sugar babies, plus she seems to be on the site everyday.

So I decided not to pursue contract denied.

POT2- Mexican ok body great rack. 23 yr old, she seemed very needy and said she met one sugar daddy at a hotel.

But didn't do anything because he couldn't get hard, and she complained he was fat. She is too needy and has a non pro vibe contract.

Denied.

POT3- 22 Italian / Greek great rack great body cute face, her dad is Lawyer, who is now only sending her money for her rent, because she ran up her credit card bills. Graduated from Michigan State University. She seemed really normal and had a good job she makes 45K a year and her dad pays her rent, and she still needs money for luxurys's what the hell is wrong with kids now a days. Any.

Way Wedsday we meet at the most expensive restaurant in Chicago, She orders 75. 00 worth of food and drinks, only eats a third of it. She made it up with decent conversation, she seemed pretty normal just a little naive about life. Any way she comes over my apartment for drinks today. We finally talk specifics about allowance. She ask for 2000 a month. I tell her how about we do 400 a meet for three times a month and see how things go. She hesitates, but agrees I should have talked her down to 300-350, but Chicago is a competitive market and she is a good catch. We get down business good oral technique and the sex ok, but then I realized. I'm already out of $$$$$ when you add her allowance plus the dinner. So I decide to get my moneys worth, I break out my video camera and ask her to walk around the house naked with a butt plugg up her ass while I film her from behind. She is a suburban girl so kind of hesitated but I convinced her and got a good homemade fetish tape, and recorded us banging the second time, and got a hardcore video. I will keep her around for atleast a month but she is expensive and I may way to free up money for other.

Adventures in the summer. Contract Approved.

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor;1753893]I still want to enjoy the sugar while I can the economy is getting better, so that means the quality of girls will decrease to just low income girls. My economic projections have the economy getting better in 2014. So I decided to enjoy the last of the golden era. I signed back up to SA and tried sd4me. I am looking just for one at the most two high quality SD's since I am enjoying free pussy now.[/QUOTE]Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.

My current ATF HCG found me and referred her sister to the site. The sister is keeping a string of multiple guys who are squiring her around, feeding her, fucking her. My girl might be doing that also, but she "says " not. After all, if SB A is getting $ 1000 / month from SD 1 for one day / week, why not line up another 2 Daddies to clean $3000 / month or more? And nobody is the wiser. SD #1 is 200 miles away#2 is 50 miles #3 is 1000 miles. Men do it, I'm sure the girls all do it as well.

FredMore,

Good thoughts Fred. I agree with a lot of it. But when it comes to the morality part I have a different take. I am not trying to get into a debate. But frankly if she is immoral for doing this then what are we?

I do not consider paying for a SB to be immoral. If I did I would not do it.

I have yet to find a free piece of ass. The most expensive pussy I have ever found is my wife she costs me about $70 grand per year. And I don't even want to think about what my CPO is on that one. And the experience is not all that great.

Morality is about doing what is right. Not about what society says you should do. I think society is pretty fucked up on this one. In fact it is society that has forced us into these underground arrangements.

I look at it like this. I am not hurting anyone. I am not forcing anyone to do anything they would not want to do. In fact I make sure my babies are all in, if they are not I walk away. I do not hurt myself. I look at it as if I am making the world a little bit better place by helping these babies out.

Any way my two cents.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1754115]Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.

My current ATF HCG found me and referred her sister to the site. The sister is keeping a string of multiple guys who are squiring her around, feeding her, fucking her. My girl might be doing that also, but she "says " not. After all, if SB A is getting $ 1000 / month from SD 1 for one day / week, why not line up another 2 Daddies to clean $3000 / month or more? And nobody is the wiser. SD #1 is 200 miles away#2 is 50 miles #3 is 1000 miles. Men do it, I'm sure the girls all do it as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1754115]Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.[/QUOTE]I hope your right, but I remember in 05 when the craigslist scene was great, because all the chicks who were too normal or pretty.

To ever walked the streets, now had a venue to make money. You were able to find great girls at affordable prices, but then those girls start leaving the scene, and all you were left with was low end trash. Craigslist shut down, so the non pro scene was good for awhile and now its horrible. The backpage scene opened up at thats worse then craigslist towards the end of it run as far as quality of girls, even though the economy was way better in 05. These scenes can reduce in quality really fast, because the good looking chicks either find a long term boyfriend or improve their financial situation. I'm already seeing a decline in quality in SB scene from a year ago. There will always be low income girls, but hot college graduates will start to decline, along with the hott milfs.

Especially the White, Asian and to lesser extent Latin woman.

I could be wrong, and with advertising from CEO's of these SD sites, along with the fact that alot of these girls.

View this as normal, respectable and more moral than escorting, that there will always be a baseline of quality.

For all of our sakes, but I don't want to take any chances.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1753866]Don, the young hotties must be all over you. Oh to be 30 ish again and have the $$ to mine this treasure chest. YMMV at any age but being

60ish definitely puts me in the back seat. Heck, even 40 yr olds are "young stuff" to me LOL. I think 30 to 40 is the optimal age for the 20 yr olds which I like.

"The Baroness" has been working SA and SDFM hard. I have gotten very aggressive proffers from her on my profiles on each site. She appears beautiful but her price was in the upper $ hundreds as I remember. She is too mercenary for my likes.[/QUOTE]Have to disagree here. I am 59 and I have an endless supply of 18 to 20 year olds at my disposal. And thats at $ per date max.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1754115]Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.

My current ATF HCG found me and referred her sister to the site. The sister is keeping a string of multiple guys who are squiring her around, feeding her, fucking her. My girl might be doing that also, but she "says " not. After all, if SB A is getting $ 1000 / month from SD 1 for one day / week, why not line up another 2 Daddies to clean $3000 / month or more? And nobody is the wiser. SD #1 is 200 miles away#2 is 50 miles #3 is 1000 miles. Men do it, I'm sure the girls all do it as well.[/QUOTE]There are a few high moral character girls on the sites. They are naturally attracted to older guys. Money is not the prime objective. They want the total package. They will not have sex with more than one guy at a time. But they need a lot of emotional support. Typically they all want overnites (a good qualifier). No girl is spending 24 hours with you and having sex 2 or 3 times for $ because they are a gold digger.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1754309]Have to disagree here. I am 59 and I have an endless supply of 18 to 20 year olds at my disposal. And thats at $ per date max.[/QUOTE]YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1754565]YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.[/QUOTE]Dang! I hope I didn't end up overpaying. I registered at SA last week and went 2/2 in 48hrs. Average spend was $$.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1754565]YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.[/QUOTE]My 30 year old daughter who has a decent job and is on a career path to 6 figures and is fully aware of my sugar activities does not seem interested in this type of arrangement. But if she found the right person and they wanted to spoil her in an exclusive or even non exclusive arrangement I would not disapprove (just stay safe and get tested). Being she has been spoiled to death by her bio daddy it would take more than a new bmw to accomplish this. But I can't really say "do as I say and not as I do." Both my sisters got into old school sugar arrangements (they married the money) in a scenario where I actually helped set them up (one is happily married and the other one is lez so I guess it was doomed from the start, poor guy). I guess it runs in the family. I always wished my own mom was a sugar babe, as I grew up mildly disadvantaged. I remember my grammy telling my sisters over and over "it's just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor man".

But I get your point. And it has taken me years to find these girls. And currently I have 4, but need to let one go due to my inability to fully sexually satisfy all four to the level they would like and still have something left over for the occasional random girl or interviewee. I tried really hard (no pun intended) to do that the last 2 months and I am beat. Strangely it doesn't stop me from continuing to interview. In last weeks search I found 3 (all 19 or 20). Two are just booty calls but 1 of those 3 for sure is a total non pro spinner with only one previous sexual partner. L. A. Is just too overloaded with pussy. Especially in the burbs.

When asked, they all complain there are just not enough SD's to go around. Like you say, supply and demand. I demand and they supply. Life is good.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1754313]There are a few high moral character girls on the sites. They are naturally attracted to older guys. Money is not the prime objective. They want the total package. They will not have sex with more than one guy at a time. But they need a lot of emotional support. Typically they all want overnites (a good qualifier). No girl is spending 24 hours with you and having sex 2 or 3 times for $ because they are a gold digger.[/QUOTE]The money attracts SBs. Of course. But many stay for more than the money. I started with a cute chubby SB who is a very intellectual college student. She was clearly into exploring her kinky side: getting blindfolded and tied up, spanked, teased and pleased. This girl can orgasm and squirt for hours on end to the point where I am totally physically exhausted and need additional help from some handy sex toys. I still give her presents and take her to eat etc. But we are well beyond the more usual arrangement of $ per date. I am the sexual highlight of her week and she is mine and so it goes. Life IS good my brothers

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;1755096]The money attracts SBs. Of course. But many stay for more than the money. I started with a cute chubby SB who is a very intellectual college student. She was clearly into exploring her kinky side: getting blindfolded and tied up, spanked, teased and pleased. This girl can orgasm and squirt for hours on end to the point where I am totally physically exhausted and need additional help from some handy sex toys. I still give her presents and take her to eat etc. But we are well beyond the more usual arrangement of $ per date. I am the sexual highlight of her week and she is mine and so it goes. Life IS good my brothers[/QUOTE]Yeah I wish I was more aware of all this sooner. LOL.

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Rich guys sugar bill. In american dollars thats a $7. 5 million dollar home. Ridiculous.

For a good looking. Not awesome 39 year old with fake tits. And all they did was fight? This is way better.

I have been the victim of many flakes since pursuing this little adventure. And it has been a source of great frustration. I am certain that I am not the only one. So to help myself as well as my brothers out.

I thought I might put together a little cheat sheet to help with the flaking problem. This is not all inclusive but it has the gist of the issues. Simply look at the characteristics below and select which ones your potential baby has. If she has more than two of these you are looking at t potential flake. If more than three you may want to consider moving on.

1. White and over an 8 on the looks scale.

2. Under 25 YO.

3. Asian and over a 7 on the looks scale.

4. Talked only about herself on the profile, such as spoil me, support me, take care of me, but did not mention what she will do.

5. Only uses one word answers on her responses to you or very short answers.

6. Takes more than an hour to respond to a text.

7. Does not have a job, or is only going to school casually such as not really pursuing a degree or profession.

8. Keeps unusual hours, such as out partying all night.

9. Cannot contribute to conversation. You have to do everything to keep it going.

10. Does not seem to have any outside interests. No passion or goal.

11. Nando 1's.

12. Strippers.

13. There appears to be drama or crisis in her life, such as boyfriend is mean to her, children from more than one father, etc.

14. Only uses one form of communication eg: texting, but will not or cannot talk on phone, or does not use email.

This list is not exhaustive. You may want to add or subtract from this. Because we are talking about women here. And even worse Sugar Babies. They are not going to be easy to nail down. Keep in mind that young beautiful women are being pursued on an almost constant basis. They may get hit on in person 10 or 20 times per day in a busy city where they see a large amount of the public. Then they are being inundated with offers on the SD sites. She may be juggling many men right up until and even after she meets you. Wouldn't you do that if you could? Hell some of us do that already.

Flaking is a part of the game. Just a little list to help deal with it. Kind of. Haha.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

#MsCosmetologist stood me up. She had been the most dependable of the bunch. Suddenly after two dates with the third in line for the TiggaBounce, she stops emailing and texting the day before she was supposed to drive up. Unfortunately because I had already prepaid for the room. I tried to no avail to get use out of it, but the 3 other SBs could not make that kind of move on short notice. I was so surprised by all of this, she's not returned one text since last Thursday. But she is another that smokes weed daily and I was trying to not be so judgmental. But again, the weed smokers have been the most undependable.

FreakyDentalAssitant as settled into her role as booty call friend. She's now sending x-rated videos to keep my attention. Very nice. If she would slim down some, she'd be in the running for my #1.

#MsIntelligentBeauty is having more issues with the University that requires more funds, but I've reached my non-Tiggabounce limit. If she'd move a little faster and give up the goodies, she'd get much more and would have these problems solved. She did finally send me a flirty picture that was very nice. So she's moving along in the right direction.

#MsPartyGirl wants to meet this week, but I can't. Between work and my two new CL finds, I'm not going to have the time.

#CL Finds.

#MsMarriedDeprived. 45 year old AA. Replied to my ad on CL, very nice body, tall (5'9 and then wears heels) and very well kept, sexy curvy body. Does not need any money, wants attention, companionship and a good screwing. We had a great 2 hour date that ended with some serious making out in her car with all body parts being touch by both. We'll probably meet again this week. She's has said that I can get the goodies on the next date.

#MsWhatABody. 27 year old AA. Replied to my ad on CL. She's prefect SB material. Nurse, making it with her own money, just needs a little help. Met her in person and looks better than her pics, moving her up to a "7" in the face department. 9.8 in the body department and 9. 5 in the personality department. It's a long story but we had a really long first date. So long it included two meals, lots of driving and ending with watching the game at her place. She has moved to the top of the list and we'll meet again on Wed.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy;1754995]Dang! I hope I didn't end up overpaying. I registered at SA last week and went 2/2 in 48hrs. Average spend was $$.[/QUOTE]Give us some details. Tell your story man. Don't leave us hangin.

We always try to help each other out on here. What seemed to work? Describe the babies.

Was it just a quick thing or long term potential?

2 for 2 in 48 hours thats awesome.

Revvo