July/Coco/Pink is queen of the spinners but those bolt-ons might be tough for a first-timer!
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July/Coco/Pink is queen of the spinners but those bolt-ons might be tough for a first-timer!
I had a strange thought the other day when eating at a chinese restaurant. What factors in when girls come from the far east if they make it in a restaurant or a parlor. There were some young hot ass waiting on me that I wanted to ask if takeout was available.
Worse yet I was with my SO and she kept asking me what I was thinking. She would of killed me if I brought up take out and a 3 way.
Be safe.
Goat
[QUOTE=Goat Ohio]I had a strange thought the other day when eating at a chinese restaurant. What factors in when girls come from the far east if they make it in a restaurant or a parlor. There were some young hot ass waiting on me that I wanted to ask if takeout was available.
Worse yet I was with my SO and she kept asking me what I was thinking. She would of killed me if I brought up take out and a 3 way.
Be safe.
Goat[/QUOTE]Most of the girls in the AMPs are Korean I believe. Most of the girls in the restaurants are Chinese, so they have different languages and employment opportunities. I've heard alot of the Korean girls here did similar work back there. Many of the Chinese girls here are going to school too. I haven't been to an AMP myself, but I'm sure there is some take out from the restaurants. I'm thinking there probably are many illegal aliens in some restaurants, but it's more about landing a husband/ greencard.
Any further info on Jackie, the new girl at the 4S? I'm planning a trip there sometime this week and I'd like to be prepared. Thanks
[QUOTE=Goat Ohio]I had a strange thought the other day when eating at a chinese restaurant. What factors in when girls come from the far east if they make it in a restaurant or a parlor. There were some young hot ass waiting on me that I wanted to ask if takeout was available.
Worse yet I was with my SO and she kept asking me what I was thinking. She would of killed me if I brought up take out and a 3 way.
Be safe.
Goat[/QUOTE]
If this was a serious question, I knew a few girls that worked in restaurants. They were sponsered (got into the country with a guarenteed job) by a family member that owned the business. They lived with and worked for the uncle, cousin, whatever until they learned english and maybe went to school for a trade and got a more perminate status. Most of the families are in businesses that are easy to start, ghetto convience stores, restaurants, nail salons. I guess that the MP girls had family connections with that business.
I often wondered why so many Asian MP's? Was it solders returning from Korea and Vietnam with a taste for the eastern girls? Does it go back before that era?
Does anyone know what time to go to Four Seasons and not get CoCo? I keep getting her. The last time I was ther I got windburn from her.
[QUOTE=Fudge1]Does anyone know what time to go to Four Seasons and not get CoCo? I keep getting her. The last time I was ther I got windburn from her.[/QUOTE]
...Windburn?
I wouldn't go near an AMP right now. They are hot as hell. If you noticed down by Dayton and Indiana thay was the FBI watching them and if you read through the 95 page indictment you see adresses referencing Youngstown and Toledo. I am sure they are surveiling Toledo and Youngstown and its only a matte of time before they start coming down. Thats going to be the next great government crusade because they are charging them with Money Laundering and Racketring. Just my opinion. I also think anyone on this should read through that indictment because the feds have it broken down well and your likley to get surveiled there and even pulled over after you leave. Be aware fellow hobbyists.
Tony
[url]http://www.whiotv.com/download/2008/0522/16365262.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Fudge1]Does anyone know what time to go to Four Seasons and not get CoCo? I keep getting her. The last time I was ther I got windburn from her.[/QUOTE]Fudge1,
Next time you go and she is there just tell her old and withered ass.(sorry, couldn't resist. Lolol)- that you don't want to see her! PERIOD. She will get the point! I have gone there many, many times and she has been there only to tell me that she is the only one working. I just ask her when will someone else be available. She may not like hearing that but oh well! I would rather wait or come back or even go up the road to the Sun, Tokyo, Oriental Sauna, etc. , then sit through a table shower with her let alone a massage and extras. It was fun with her years ago, but Coco/Pink or whatever she is going by today is an OLD ASS Lady. Period! I've seen her in the daytime wihout her makeup and she is weathered. BAD! All shes got going for her is those rock ass hard bolt-ons. Take them away and you could be doing your own grandma. Sorry guys but I'm just venting and telling it how I see it. Fudge1, just tell her how it is and don't let her give you the run around. Just because you walk into an AMP it doesn't mean that you have to take what they give/show you. Lolololololol Just my opinion guys. It's your hard earned money, you can do what you want with it. Anyone know who is working at 4 Seasons these days? Just curious. Got my stimulas check and want to spend it in the right place. Lololol
Later, Truck
[QUOTE=Saveahoe11]I wouldn't go near an AMP right now. They are hot as hell. If you noticed down by Dayton and Indiana thay was the FBI watching them and if you read through the 95 page indictment you see adresses referencing Youngstown and Toledo. I am sure they are surveiling Toledo and Youngstown and its only a matte of time before they start coming down. Thats going to be the next great government crusade because they are charging them with Money Laundering and Racketring. Just my opinion. I also think anyone on this should read through that indictment because the feds have it broken down well and your likley to get surveiled there and even pulled over after you leave. Be aware fellow hobbyists.
Tony
[url]http://www.whiotv.com/download/2008/0522/16365262.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads up. I for one am not too worried. What's the worst case senerio for the hobbiest? A solicitation charge? Men have been seeing women for comfort since the beginning of time. I don't think it's a serious crime. In fact, I don't think it should be a crime at all. And of course in some areas it's not. Money laundering is another story and I have no part in that of course. But as an ugly old single man, the AMP's are almost a necessary part of life if I want to have some female companionship. And I most certainly do. It's nice to feel like king for an hour there.
[QUOTE=Streetwize]Thanks for the heads up. I for one am not too worried. What's the worst case senerio for the hobbiest? A solicitation charge? Men have been seeing women for comfort since the beginning of time. I don't think it's a serious crime. In fact, I don't think it should be a crime at all. And of course in some areas it's not. Money laundering is another story and I have no part in that of course. But as an ugly old single man, the AMP's are almost a necessary part of life if I want to have some female companionship. And I most certainly do. It's nice to feel like king for an hour there.[/QUOTE]You guys should give fantacy a try in Warren, Ohio on Youngstown Road.
Not bad talent, usually younger looking girls too.
[QUOTE=Torchkit]...Windburn?[/QUOTE]
I think he might be indicateing her pussy's a little loose lol and the flapping lips mite be a problem. LOL If your thinking Lisa mite be tighter your wrong tho. I've had both and always thought CoCo was a lot smaller, Lisa makes up for it with her attitude and she is a bit younger but defineately not tight. Its kinda like sex with a bowl of Ramen heh.
I hit the 4S EARLY on thursday morning. I had another fabulous session with the incomparable Lisa. Just before I started getting dressed she brought in the "new girl" Jackie for an introduction. She said " Nice to meet you" as she was shaking me and it wasn't my hand. She's tall with darker skin, not the prettiest that I've seen but not bad either, seemed very friendly. Lisa said she was there at the 4S before so this may be the same Jackie that was talked about a while back. She also said that CoCo/July/Pink was no longer there and that they were looking for another girl. I may try Jackie the next time if she's still there.
[QUOTE=Barber Shop]I think he might be indicateing her pussy's a little loose lol and the flapping lips mite be a problem. LOL If your thinking Lisa mite be tighter your wrong tho. I've had both and always thought CoCo was a lot smaller, Lisa makes up for it with her attitude and she is a bit younger but defineately not tight. Its kinda like sex with a bowl of Ramen heh.[/QUOTE]Lmfao. You are so right BarberShop. You are so right. But Lisa's attitude is so different. Hard Core it seems at times. It definitly makes up for it.
[QUOTE=Barber Shop]I think he might be indicateing her pussy's a little loose lol and the flapping lips mite be a problem. LOL If your thinking Lisa mite be tighter your wrong tho. I've had both and always thought CoCo was a lot smaller, Lisa makes up for it with her attitude and she is a bit younger but defineately not tight. Its kinda like sex with a bowl of Ramen heh.[/QUOTE]
It's been over a year since I've been with either, but I don't recall them being THAT loose. :D
It's been some time but but I recall the term "Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway" Maybe try going a little earlier in the day, .before the milage builds up?
[QUOTE=Torchkit]It's been over a year since I've been with either, but I don't recall them being THAT loose. :D[/QUOTE]I had Jackie, Lisa and Coco. It's like a good cigar, or the type of steak you like. They're all great. If I had a case of RedBull, I'd like to try all 3 at once!
Went to 4s last Thursday for the first time. Was met at the door by an ancient lady (dint bother asking her name). The way things were going, it looked like she was the one going to give the TS :-) My heart sank (not to metion other things that went down with it :-). Thankfully she sensed my plight and put my apprehension to rest. Lisa was with someone else and would take some time. She offered to give the TS in the meanwhile, I held my ground and offered to wait. had to wait an extra 20 min but it was worth it.
Being used to older women in places like Kiko's Lisa was a pleasant surprise. As has been stated so man times. Amazing attitude. Naked women are no good if they don't come with the right attitude. I was a happy man an hour and 10 min later. short by $$, yet not sorry.
Just visited 4 Seasons this morning. Mama met me at the door. I heard Coco was gone and Lisa and Jackie are the line up now. I figured I can't miss, since I know Lisa and heard good things about Jackie. Jackie came into the room. I would say she is well into her 40's but looks really good. Taller than Lisa and not so thin. Not fat, just not thin. She has about a C cup rack that is probably enhanced, but look really good. She really wasn't into having her titties sucked or played with. Great looking ass and a full bush. Long brown hair, face looked a tiny bit rough, but she was not wearing any makeup. Definitely a MILF look. She kissed and slipped me the tongue right away.
She was quick to start the BBBJ, and deep throated my average size pecker all the way to the balls with no problem. Very slightly toothy BBBJ but the deepthroat made it OK. My dick kept hitting the back of her throat and she kept going.
She climbed on and rubbed my dick on her clit. I asked if she thought she was going bareback and she said "No way". She was just rubbing her clit on it. There were two doorbell rings after I got there so she did rush a little. After the pop she did give an attempt at an actual massage that was OK but I would rather have had her spend the time fucking or sucking. After she dressed me I asked her if I could lick her pussy some more and she jumped onto the table, pulled her panties to the side and spread her legs.
Says she'll be here for a while. Offered 2 girl sesssions and asked me if I was able to fuck her all night. I know that's their way of trying to make you think your special. I would suggest giving her a try.
[QUOTE=Squiggy]Just visited 4 Seasons this morning. Mama met me at the door. I heard Coco was gone and Lisa and Jackie are the line up now. I figured I can't miss, since I know Lisa and heard good things about Jackie. Jackie came into the room. I would say she is well into her 40's but looks really good. Taller than Lisa and not so thin. Not fat, just not thin. She has about a C cup rack that is probably enhanced, but look really good. She really wasn't into having her titties sucked or played with. Great looking ass and a full bush. Long brown hair, face looked a tiny bit rough, but she was not wearing any makeup. Definitely a MILF look. She kissed and slipped me the tongue right away.
She was quick to start the BBBJ, and deep throated my average size pecker all the way to the balls with no problem. Very slightly toothy BBBJ but the deepthroat made it OK. My dick kept hitting the back of her throat and she kept going.
She climbed on and rubbed my dick on her clit. I asked if she thought she was going bareback and she said "No way". She was just rubbing her clit on it. There were two doorbell rings after I got there so she did rush a little. After the pop she did give an attempt at an actual massage that was OK but I would rather have had her spend the time fucking or sucking. After she dressed me I asked her if I could lick her pussy some more and she jumped onto the table, pulled her panties to the side and spread her legs.
Says she'll be here for a while. Offered 2 girl sesssions and asked me if I was able to fuck her all night. I know that's their way of trying to make you think your special. I would suggest giving her a try.[/QUOTE]
If CoCo is gone, then I'm ready for a return visit.
Made a trip there after a short stop at Sun first. Saw 2 girls there but was looking for a small spinner type, tho the second one I saw was quite attractive just a bit to tall. Headed over to 76 sap after reading some good reports about Connie. The spa is a weird set-up with the front door always open it seems on a busy parking lot. Loud korean kareokee music blastin and when you walk out of shower anyone walkin in the parkin lot by can see you heh. Connie is very attarctive, small, has nice natural boobs and an untrimed bush. Only one fee it seems a straight $40. Tipped $110 in addition but half way thru she wanted another $50 for FS she said. I told her that was all i had. Got CBJ some brief DATY and CFS. Shes very attractive, but dought I'd repeat. I don't think the extra money would have gotten me better service. Time spent was maybe a half hour.
I haven't been to 76 in years. They expect way too much $. Same reason I don't go to Suzi Kim's.
Same here, expect too much. I am curious if that is the same Connie who used to work at the parlor in downtown Warren. Sounds similar. I would consider seeing her as we got very close back in the day. (mid to late nineties)
Thanks for the report.
I also saw the infamous Lisa last Friday afternoon. Place was empty, I was only vehicle there. Skipped the TS, etc. to get right to the fun. All the usual Lisa experiences. Did include a vigorous prostate massage which was a new experience and something you should consider. She did that while giving BBJ and I couldn't control myself it was so overwhelming.
After finishing up we layed around chit chatting, rubbing and kissing. I told her a lot of people speculated she had got married when she was gone, etc. etc. and she laughed heartily. Told me some stories about her family. It was quite interesting to hear, at least what I could understand.
I also tried Connie at 76 Spa based on reports here and my experience was about the same. She went for the upsell and I told her for the extra tip, I should get something special. She snorted and smarted off with, "Yeah, sure, you can fuck me in the ear, the eye, the nose, the belly-button, everywhere, anywhere you want". Her sarcasm struck me as incredibly funny and I started laughing. I then asked her why she hadn't returned to Oriental and she said, "Because of guys like you". Although I thought that was funny, too, it was also when I realized this was going nowhere and I wanted to go to 4S where there wasn't any of the hassle. So I got up and told her I was going out to my car for more money. She knew exactly what I was doing and didn't b1tch at me as I got dressed and headed for the door.
In short, Connie's a different experience in that her English is quite good and she's also pretty savvy and hip. In fact, she kind of reminds me of the next door neighbor's Asian wife, Minh, on the [i]King of the Hill[/i] tv show. So, for some, she's kind of a change of pace and might be a fun challenge to try and repeat some of the activities with her that had previously been reported. But for a hassle-free (and therefore way more enjoyable) session, 4S is definitely better.
Got an opportunity to stop by 4S today. Was fairly early and not busy (only one in parking lot).
Unbelievably Lisa was the one to assist me. Service was everything and a bag of cookies. She had an even tighter body than imagined.
Everything was available and very nice for the standard fare.
Hope I can make it back to see her real soon.
Can anyone confirm that coco is gone? Also I've been to 4s, yoshiko, susi's, and 76spa. Anyone have ideas where to go elsewhere to try for the same service as 4s, just with a diff. Staff?
[QUOTE=Barber Shop]I think he might be indicateing her pussy's a little loose lol and the flapping lips mite be a problem. LOL If your thinking Lisa mite be tighter your wrong tho. I've had both and always thought CoCo was a lot smaller, Lisa makes up for it with her attitude and she is a bit younger but defineately not tight. Its kinda like sex with a bowl of Ramen heh.[/QUOTE]Funny but still better than the alternative. I made the mistake of taking CoCo's word that she was the only one there a few months back and she really looked aged.
[QUOTE=Msanders0101]Can anyone confirm that coco is gone? Also I've been to 4s, yoshiko, susi's, and 76spa. Anyone have ideas where to go elsewhere to try for the same service as 4s, just with a diff. Staff?[/QUOTE]
There's no place that provides service equal to 4S. Sun can be close at times, though.
[QUOTE=Indyguy69]Funny but still better than the alternative. I made the mistake of taking CoCo's word that she was the only one there a few months back and she really looked aged.[/QUOTE]Gee, these girls are being banged by possibly a hundred guys a month. They don't live normal lives and then we expect them to age well. They probably do drugs in order to live with what they do.
Coco can only be what she is and that is it. She gave her all for you guys and then you toss her out like trash.
She probably had no real choice in her life and did what she could do in order to survive. She is who she is because she probably felt her only worth was as a sex toy.
I left the lifestyle because I saw what it does to these poor women. I now regret using them for my pleasure since getting to know an AMP girl personally. She explained the lifestyle and what these poor women go through.
She has become a very good friend and I have helped her find employment and get a normal life.
These girls are real people with real problems.
Hundreds of guys a month times $ times 20 plus years .... Sorry not seeing where our sympathy is needed. Being physical with my job and the abuse that comes with it. Think they have the better deal. We feeling for the pro athletes next?
[QUOTE=EmptyCup]Hundreds of guys a month times $ times 20 plus years .... Sorry not seeing where our sympathy is needed. Being physical with my job and the abuse that comes with it. Think they have the better deal. We feeling for the pro athletes next?[/QUOTE]You would be surprised how little they make from the $.
The people involved in the business end are not nice people. They take more of what you pay than you could ever imagine. The girls do not make nearly as much as you would think.
My friend told me that she had to pay rent to stay at the spa. The rent was $1000 a month. Food included. She was not able to have a place of her own. She had to live at the spa.
The fee for just walking in was all taken by the owner.
The tip would go 75%.- 25% with the 25 going to the girl. The 75% goes to the people who brought them into the country as a fee. The rooms are usually bugged with video and audio recorders. So they really keep an eye on the girls and what they are offered.
You have to remember, these girls are from very poor families and even the 25% is a lot of money to them.
So twenty five dollars a pop. With say 75 to 100 guys a month. Which averages out to about 3 a day. So she makes about 75 dollars a day.
With rent taken out. She was making about $875 to $1200 a month. Most of that was going back to Korea to support her family.
Her keepers were making $5000 for the entry fee and then $12500 every month from the 100 guys through tips. Multiply that by the 4 girls that were where she worked and the people who were running the spa were making $70, 000 per month. And don't forget the 4 grand for the rent from the 4 women.
I was really surprised at these numbers but she swears that they are about average for every spa she was at.
You rarely see these women driving or even out in public. They are not allowed and cannot afford to drive. Most are here illegally and can't risk being caught.
They are unable in many cases to get out of the business even after 20 years. The people who run the spas keep them on a short leash and they cannot get away unless someone helps them.
It is hard to have them trust you because they have been taken advantage of and trust almost no one.
So give them a break.
That info is only true for girls just geting into the business. About half of them are married, almost always to american guys for citizenship. These women make half of whatever we pay, tho they also tip the mamasan and pay a small fee daily for food usually around $25. The reason most have no money is because of their gambling addiction's. They will sometimes spend days there till the moneys gone, many also gamble online via laptops. By no means am i saying they've got a great life, on the contrary those that work the Warren spa's which are 24 hours open go 2 or 3 days at a time without sleep. I sometimes wonder if the more popular girls like Lisa sleep at all. I've spent plenty of time dateing more then one of these girls and its always the same info. Once you get them outside the spa they are completely diffrent and are truly special.
I really don't think if I went in and told any girl working that my place of employment subs me out for 80 to 100 and hour and only pays me 25 that they feel sorry for me. I've heard so many stories from I'm a prisoner here to I just work now and then for extra money.
[QUOTE=Jeep56]You would be surprised how little they make from the $.
The people involved in the business end are not nice people. They take more of what you pay than you could ever imagine. The girls do not make nearly as much as you would think.
My friend told me that she had to pay rent to stay at the spa. The rent was $1000 a month. Food included. She was not able to have a place of her own. She had to live at the spa.
The fee for just walking in was all taken by the owner.
The tip would go 75%.- 25% with the 25 going to the girl. The 75% goes to the people who brought them into the country as a fee. The rooms are usually bugged with video and audio recorders. So they really keep an eye on the girls and what they are offered.
You have to remember, these girls are from very poor families and even the 25% is a lot of money to them.
So twenty five dollars a pop. With say 75 to 100 guys a month. Which averages out to about 3 a day. So she makes about 75 dollars a day.
With rent taken out. She was making about $875 to $1200 a month. Most of that was going back to Korea to support her family.
Her keepers were making $5000 for the entry fee and then $12500 every month from the 100 guys through tips. Multiply that by the 4 girls that were where she worked and the people who were running the spa were making $70, 000 per month. And don't forget the 4 grand for the rent from the 4 women.
I was really surprised at these numbers but she swears that they are about average for every spa she was at.
You rarely see these women driving or even out in public. They are not allowed and cannot afford to drive. Most are here illegally and can't risk being caught.
They are unable in many cases to get out of the business even after 20 years. The people who run the spas keep them on a short leash and they cannot get away unless someone helps them.
It is hard to have them trust you because they have been taken advantage of and trust almost no one.
So give them a break.[/QUOTE]
Jeep,
I don't doubt what you have written and commend you for your humanity. I share your sympathies and affection for these ladies.
But do understand that although there are some commonalities, there are wide variations in the these ladies' situations - for almost every one of the factors you stated, from their financial situation when they come here, to their living arrangements, to the generosity or stinginess of spa owners, to their immigration situations and everything else you discussed.
Also understand that part of why things are as they are there is because it is small-city Ohio. In a place like NYC or LA, a business being run like the one you describe would suffer because the women could go to any one of a thousand other places to work at instead.
On another comment - it is one of the most common and most off base myths that all these ladies are gambling addicts. Many are, but many are not.
[QUOTE=Virile Vito]Jeep,
I don't doubt what you have written and commend you for your humanity. I share your sympathies and affection for these ladies.
But do understand that although there are some commonalities, there are wide variations in the these ladies' situations - for almost every one of the factors you stated, from their financial situation when they come here, to their living arrangements, to the generosity or stinginess of spa owners, to their immigration situations and everything else you discussed.
Also understand that part of why things are as they are there is because it is small-city Ohio. In a place like NYC or LA, a business being run like the one you describe would suffer because the women could go to any one of a thousand other places to work at instead.
On another comment - it is one of the most common and most off base myths that all these ladies are gambling addicts. Many are, but many are not.[/QUOTE]
I agree, didn't mean to paint some broad brush that all of these ladies are gambling addicts. Obviously there working arrangements don't allow them to on any kind of a regular basis, but i frequent casino's myself and you'd be surprised how many times i've met working ladies at the tables that i know.
Also on a side note I know 2 ladies in Michigan that own and work solo there own spa's. One's in Flint the other in Bay City. So yes, some actually are quite ambitious.
Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?
Thanks
[QUOTE=JohnHolmes15]Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Its all asian, read so so review from a month or so ago on another site.
Talent changes pretty frequently tho, at least it always did when was Tiffanys. They also used to have some pretty young girls then.
The only non asian mp in Ohio is gemini, and it is NOT f/s only H/J, and girls were not very hot, the only F/S non asian spa I know of is in Breezewood Pa, the girls I found there were pretty hot but expensive, one tine I spent over $200 it is just off the Turnipike, Erie PA used to have quite a few as did Akron Ohio but the PD closed them down, most work the underground you can find them on backpage.com or craigs list, even then it is a crap shoot on the quality.
[QUOTE=JohnHolmes15]Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hbkrus]The only non asian mp in Ohio is gemini, and it is NOT f/s only H/J, and girls were not very hot, the only F/S non asian spa I know of is in Breezewood Pa, the girls I found there were pretty hot but expensive, one tine I spent over $200 it is just off the Turnipike, Erie PA used to have quite a few as did Akron Ohio but the PD closed them down, most work the underground you can find them on backpage.com or craigs list, even then it is a crap shoot on the quality.[/QUOTE]
I did use The Gemini Spa a few times when it was the Bella Spa I believe.. I have NOT been there since it changed over to Gemini Spa .I have a few questions . Do they still have a line up that you chose a gal? What is the Door fee and what's the average tip to leave for the provider? Thanks much....
I have another business trip soon in the Warren area.
Of course, a visit with Lisa at 4s is high on my list of activities.
Are there any other providers currently working in the area that any local mongers would recommend?
In the past, I have enjoyed both 4s and Sun (see my old posts on this board).
Thanks in advance,
P