Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Your disappointing experience with fronting the donation is not uncommon. In fact, I've grown to expect it. Over the years of practicing the hobby, I have become 'familiar' with many fine providers which I have shared adventures with. I have become friends with many, and shared an elevated level of trust with a few. There have been numerous occasions where a provider that I have seen, contacted me in a time of need. I'm sure every senior practicing the hobby has experienced the exact same thing. I have been asked for everything from a ride to work, money to keep the electric from being shut off, adding minutes to their cell phone, birthday gifts for their kids, diapers rent money, groceries, cigarettes, McDonalds, doughnuts and about anything else one could imagine. I have ran errands, painted rooms, installed appliances and provided many other services in areas that I am skilled at, to help a friend, in exchange for future considerations. I avoid getting cozy with those that appear to be 'users' so they are not included in the group of ladies I'm referring to. I wouldn't knowingly give a cash advance if I thought it was going to used to support a habit, although I'm sure that happens many times without my knowledge. These girls often have genuine legitimate needs, and I offered my assistance, as I would for any friend or neighbor that could use a hand. With the friends in question, I volunteered to help them out and they volunteered to provide future service, in a friendly nonbinding verbal arrangement. Unfortunately, they often (as in 99% of the time, fail to follow through in a timely manner and the gift I provided is soon forgotten about, and they eventually fall off the radar screen. I and I'm sure many others, have been guilty of being too compassionate when it comes to advancing a gratuity. I try to help them when I'm able, but after forwarding the gift or service, in consideration of future 'adventures', I have been disappointed 99% of the time. Of the 8-10 ladies over years of practicing the hobby, I have helped with a 'significant' advance (not to mention the countless small 'favors') , every single one was either unable or unwilling to be available when I tried to arrange my next visit and the next one and the next one. A few eventually made themselves available, but asked for additional 'compensation' for gas or to say that their rates have gone up since. I was disappointed mainly because I went well out of my way, often dropping what I was doing to help them when they needed it, not just when it was convenient for me. I was disappointed because they so often fail to show the same consideration of my time and generousity. In order to maintain my composure, I have come to the conclusion that anytime a lady asks for an advance of money, or anything else of value, including my time, to help her out, I expect nothing in return. That would include buying a 'package' deal that asks for the money up front for future visits. It has tarnished my view on the trustworthiness of the word of many of these ladies. In most cases, it has cost them, not only a reliable, helpful client, but a friend as well. So if you choose to offer an advance, expect nothing in return and you'll not be bitter or disappointed when they fail to reciprocate.

Coincidently. I have had three different providers (two in the past 18 months) contact me after having taken advantage of my generousity (and failing to follow up as was expected) , both in need of cash and wanting to see me, only to find out they were well into their pregnancy. I stayed in touch, but not being a preggers fan, I didn't partake. After the baby (s) were born, they asked for money for baby supplies. I no longer give cash or expect anything in return, but, for the sake of the baby, will be happy to drop off formula, diapers and wipes if that's what they need. These aren't necessarily bad people, they just don't do themselves any favors by asking for help, and not following through with their end of the deal.

[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1615937]Well, I just had to post this but wasn't sure of the best place so this seems as good as any. I'll add a rant just to keep it on topic:

Something to brag about:

I just sealed a deal with my current UTR gal for all the visits I want for one very low monthly price. We'll see how it goes and if she lives up to it. I am not one to jump around from gal to gal so this is perfect for me. She has the spinner body that I love and she is not hard on the eyes either. Unfortunately she has not given permission to share her info, sorry.

It started as a joke but she jumped right on the idea. I said how many visits allowed for X amount and she comes back with "as many as you want". My X amount was less than two visits with some providers. Today was a good day, albeit a little tiring.

Here's my rant:

Was contacted by an old favorite of mine that had ripped me off twice in the past.

She had gotten married so she stopped our little side thing but had contacted me needing money and said she would see me while her husband was at work. Two days before our scheduled encounter, she asked for the money up front to pay some bills. Last time I fronted her the money, I didn't hear from her for months but I really enjoyed my time with her so I took her over some cash. Of course, on our scheduled day, she lets me know that her husband was on his way home and we would have to reschedule. That was the last I had heard from her.

Then, out of the blue last week, I get an email apologizing and asking for help. Being the sucker that I am I said sure, but nothing up front. So I go to see her and she had neglected to mention that she is pregnant (about 5 months from the look of it). Pissed me off BUT her nipples were literally as big around as a nickel. Seriously, I remember that they were rather large but I did not remember them being this large. And I mean the nipple itself, not the areola. So I went for it. Had a decent time but not that into pregnant women so I probably will not ever see her again. I just "had" to get that one last time in.

-BigBird69[/QUOTE]

Trader, your post sounded familiar. Over the years I to have been a sucker to helping out a friend in need with $, only to find it is quickly forgotton until they are in need again. After being burnt twice I believe it best to keep things as you play and I'll reward always in that order. This way my friends always pick up when I call rather than avoiding me as if I was a bill collector. Thanks for a good post.

[QUOTE=Pictraders69; 1624549]Your disappointing experience with fronting the donation is not uncommon. In fact, I've grown to expect it. Over the years of practicing the hobby, I have become 'familiar' with many fine providers which I have shared adventures with. I have become friends with many, and shared an elevated level of trust with a few. There have been numerous occasions where a provider that I have seen, contacted me in a time of need. I'm sure every senior practicing the hobby has experienced the exact same thing. I have been asked for everything from a ride to work, money to keep the electric from being shut off, adding minutes to their cell phone, birthday gifts for their kids, diapers rent money, groceries, cigarettes, McDonalds, doughnuts and about anything else one could imagine. I have ran errands, painted rooms, installed appliances and provided many other services in areas that I am skilled at, to help a friend, in exchange for future considerations. I avoid getting cozy with those that appear to be 'users' so they are not included in the group of ladies I'm referring to. I wouldn't knowingly give a cash advance if I thought it was going to used to support a habit, although I'm sure that happens many times without my knowledge. These girls often have genuine legitimate needs, and I offered my assistance, as I would for any friend or neighbor that could use a hand. With the friends in question, I volunteered to help them out and they volunteered to provide future service, in a friendly nonbinding verbal arrangement. Unfortunately, they often (as in 99% of the time, fail to follow through in a timely manner and the gift I provided is soon forgotten about, and they eventually fall off the radar screen. I and I'm sure many others, have been guilty of being too compassionate when it comes to advancing a gratuity. I try to help them when I'm able, but after forwarding the gift or service, in consideration of future 'adventures', I have been disappointed 99% of the time. Of the 8-10 ladies over years of practicing the hobby, I have helped with a 'significant' advance (not to mention the countless small 'favors') , every single one was either unable or unwilling to be available when I tried to arrange my next visit and the next one and the next one. A few eventually made themselves available, but asked for additional 'compensation' for gas or to say that their rates have gone up since. I was disappointed mainly because I went well out of my way, often dropping what I was doing to help them when they needed it, not just when it was convenient for me. I was disappointed because they so often fail to show the same consideration of my time and generousity. In order to maintain my composure, I have come to the conclusion that anytime a lady asks for an advance of money, or anything else of value, including my time, to help her out, I expect nothing in return. That would include buying a 'package' deal that asks for the money up front for future visits. It has tarnished my view on the trustworthiness of the word of many of these ladies. In most cases, it has cost them, not only a reliable, helpful client, but a friend as well. So if you choose to offer an advance, expect nothing in return and you'll not be bitter or disappointed when they fail to reciprocate.

Coincidently. I have had three different providers (two in the past 18 months) contact me after having taken advantage of my generousity (and failing to follow up as was expected) , both in need of cash and wanting to see me, only to find out they were well into their pregnancy. I stayed in touch, but not being a preggers fan, I didn't partake. After the baby (s) were born, they asked for money for baby supplies. I no longer give cash or expect anything in return, but, for the sake of the baby, will be happy to drop off formula, diapers and wipes if that's what they need. These aren't necessarily bad people, they just don't do themselves any favors by asking for help, and not following through with their end of the deal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BFDeal; 1624515]Ask the client if you can call him at work. Ask him where he works and tell him you want the main number so the receptionist has to hook you through to his extension or office. Abby Amour up here in Indy did that to verify clients while she was here. You then google the place of business to make sure the phone number matches the one he gives you, then call the number and ask for him by name, not his extension number. If the client wants to see you bad enough (and he will because you're hot) he will abide by your request.

BFDeal.[/QUOTE]Surely you jest.

[QUOTE=Cincyeast52;1624824]Surely you jest.[/QUOTE]I certainly hope so. I can't imagine anyone agreeing to this process.

J

IMOHO, anyone willing to give up a real name, work number and extension is too f*cking stupid to ever have his own office, LOL.

And stop calling me 'surely', LOL.

Re: 'Airplane', circa 1980 for you younger noobs. .

[QUOTE=Cincyeast52;1624824]Surely you jest.[/QUOTE]

And yes I will give you my real name, all the other stuff and I promise I won't cum in your mouth, LOL LOL.

H.

[QUOTE=BFDeal; 1624515]Ask the client if you can call him at work. Ask him where he works and tell him you want the main number so the receptionist has to hook you through to his extension or office. Abby Amour up here in Indy did that to verify clients while she was here. You then google the place of business to make sure the phone number matches the one he gives you, then call the number and ask for him by name, not his extension number. If the client wants to see you bad enough (and he will because you're hot) he will abide by your request.

BFDeal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hungryeye; 1625124]And yes I will give you my real name, all the other stuff and I promise I won't cum in your mouth, LOL LOL.

H.[/QUOTE]In the not too distant past a nationally known touring provider decided to fatten her bank account when things were running slow for her, so she and her "driver" began calling guy's offices strongly suggesting that they book an appointment. If the guy chose to decline, she would then show up at his office claiming to be owed money for services and making a scene.

Her antics cost one of my friends his job and it took him close to 3 years to find a permanent position which paid about 60% of what he had been making.

Moral of the story guys is that there are plenty of ways to do verification via a third party. So no business cards, drivers licenses, etc.

And for the girls that object, please remember that quite a few companies have no problem helping LE by providing a temporary phone number to use in a sting.

Ok, I'm sure Ms Karma is quite lovely and all that. But the provider name choice just tickles me.

Every time I see an ad for "Karma" . I hear "Karma's a be#$ch" in my head".

Should I tempt fate?

With the same company but in a different part of the city. And it's been several raises and a promotion since then. How's that for stupid? Seriously, there's got to be some trust formed between a provider and hobbyist and I agreed to do that to verify who I was. Besides, I didn't mind having that hot pussy in my face for the better part of a year. It would've been longer but I found someone younger. She's gone now anyway. Surely, you don't mind bending over backwards to taste the hot box. Not a great sentence but, hey, I had to get "surely" in the post somewhere. LOL.

BFDeal

[QUOTE=Pictraders69; 1624869]IMOHO, anyone willing to give up a real name, work number and extension is too f*cking stupid to ever have his own office, LOL.

And stop calling me 'surely', LOL.

Re: 'Airplane', circa 1980 for you younger noobs. .[/QUOTE]

I just want to say, I get some of the most ridiculous Textes and called the nastiest names by other providers, I must get texts on a daily basis letting me know " what a wonderful person" they think I am, but I got a text about a referral and, she was very professional, well spoken, open to questions of my own in return, and most of all! She was just nice and being nice to one another goes such a long way. Thank you Rhonda! You gave me hope here.

[QUOTE=CurvyCrissy;1637349]I just want to say, I get some of the most ridiculous Textes and called the nastiest names by other providers, I must get texts on a daily basis letting me know " what a wonderful person" they think I am, but I got a text about a referral and, she was very professional, well spoken, open to questions of my own in return, and most of all! She was just nice and being nice to one another goes such a long way. Thank you Rhonda! You gave me hope here, .[/QUOTE]It seems "professional" goes a long way for both sides of the Hobby! :)

[QUOTE=CurvyCrissy;1637349]I just want to say, I get some of the most ridiculous Textes and called the nastiest names by other providers, I must get texts on a daily basis letting me know " what a wonderful person" they think I am, but I got a text about a referral and, she was very professional, well spoken, open to questions of my own in return, and most of all! She was just nice and being nice to one another goes such a long way. Thank you Rhonda! You gave me hope here, .[/QUOTE]Rhonda, a real sweetheart to both hobbiers and providers alike.

[QUOTE=Deadbeat;1638523]Rhonda, a real sweetheart to both hobbiers and providers alike.[/QUOTE]It means alot that you "Crissy" took the time to post this, I try to treat everyone as I want to be treated and my offer still stands if you want to call and talk, Deadbeat, thanks to you also. I enjoy what I do and luckily for me have came across wonderful people on both the hobbyist side as well as some providers, makes it me love my job even more!

Rhonda

I think I lost a dear friend today. Once again a result of excessive expectations. I won't mention any names because I truly like and respect this provider and want to continue to wish her well, despite our apparent grievence and different viewpoints. It is really unfortunate that when we do things for friends, the dynamics sometimes change. I'll not badmouth her, but it is unlikely that I will spend much more time waiting for her to return the favor. I will miss her, but I'm not sure that she will even know I'm gone? Just one more reminder to myself and others that extend themselves to friends of the hobby, that it's not easy to retain a friend, if you expect anything but disappointment in return.

[QUOTE=Pictraders69; 1624549]Your disappointing experience with fronting the donation is not uncommon. In fact, I've grown to expect it. Over the years of practicing the hobby, I have become 'familiar' with many fine providers which I have shared adventures with. I have become friends with many, and shared an elevated level of trust with a few. There have been numerous occasions where a provider that I have seen, contacted me in a time of need. I'm sure every senior practicing the hobby has experienced the exact same thing. I have been asked for everything from a ride to work, money to keep the electric from being shut off, adding minutes to their cell phone, birthday gifts for their kids, diapers rent money, groceries, cigarettes, McDonalds, doughnuts and about anything else one could imagine. I have ran errands, painted rooms, installed appliances and provided many other services in areas that I am skilled at, to help a friend, in exchange for future considerations. I avoid getting cozy with those that appear to be 'users' so they are not included in the group of ladies I'm referring to. I wouldn't knowingly give a cash advance if I thought it was going to used to support a habit, although I'm sure that happens many times without my knowledge. These girls often have genuine legitimate needs, and I offered my assistance, as I would for any friend or neighbor that could use a hand. With the friends in question, I volunteered to help them out and they volunteered to provide future service, in a friendly nonbinding verbal arrangement. Unfortunately, they often (as in 99% of the time, fail to follow through in a timely manner and the gift I provided is soon forgotten about, and they eventually fall off the radar screen. I and I'm sure many others, have been guilty of being too compassionate when it comes to advancing a gratuity. I try to help them when I'm able, but after forwarding the gift or service, in consideration of future 'adventures', I have been disappointed 99% of the time. Of the 8-10 ladies over years of practicing the hobby, I have helped with a 'significant' advance (not to mention the countless small 'favors') , every single one was either unable or unwilling to be available when I tried to arrange my next visit and the next one and the next one. A few eventually made themselves available, but asked for additional 'compensation' for gas or to say that their rates have gone up since. I was disappointed mainly because I went well out of my way, often dropping what I was doing to help them when they needed it, not just when it was convenient for me. I was disappointed because they so often fail to show the same consideration of my time and generousity. In order to maintain my composure, I have come to the conclusion that anytime a lady asks for an advance of money, or anything else of value, including my time, to help her out, I expect nothing in return. That would include buying a 'package' deal that asks for the money up front for future visits. It has tarnished my view on the trustworthiness of the word of many of these ladies. In most cases, it has cost them, not only a reliable, helpful client, but a friend as well. So if you choose to offer an advance, expect nothing in return and you'll not be bitter or disappointed when they fail to reciprocate.

Coincidently. I have had three different providers (two in the past 18 months) contact me after having taken advantage of my generousity (and failing to follow up as was expected) , both in need of cash and wanting to see me, only to find out they were well into their pregnancy. I stayed in touch, but not being a preggers fan, I didn't partake. After the baby (s) were born, they asked for money for baby supplies. I no longer give cash or expect anything in return, but, for the sake of the baby, will be happy to drop off formula, diapers and wipes if that's what they need. These aren't necessarily bad people, they just don't do themselves any favors by asking for help, and not following through with their end of the deal.[/QUOTE]