General Reports

I'm glad to see there's an actual community of sorts for what I've been doing lately. I've been wanting to pick up a SW, but I'm very hesitant, especially with the fear (hopefully lies) that some people try to spew. I'm especially concerned with getting some sort of STD, though what someone posted about making the SW use a mix of mouthwash and hydrogen peroxide is a good idea.

My other problem is really, I can't tell who is a SW and who isn't, and I know straight up pulling up to someone and asking her if she is one or asking for sex is just plain dumb. Especially in this area (I've been cruising OBT, mostly in between I-4 and Colonial). So, if some of you veterans of the scene could shed some light upon what some dead giveaways of a SW is, it'd be much appreciated.

Well, to contribute, there is one woman who I know for sure is a SW (I've seen her picked up many times as I was doing my looking around). She's pretty heavy set, but has an incredible rack, and seems friendly. Not too good of a face, but better than the crackheads I've seen on the arrest site someone linked a while back. If you're heading towards Florida Mall (not sure what direction that is), she's before I-4 and is usually sitting on a ledge (right before what looks like a used car lot) though I've sometimes seen her on the other side of the street.

I saw a nice small bbw, 190-200 #'s last Friday $.0, Exuberant is the best way to describe her. Just 5 min. from Lake Mary Blvd. & I-4. I have digits, if interested, pm me fro details.

Jethrow

[QUOTE=Jethrow1]I saw a nice small bbw, 190-200 #'s last Friday $.0, Exuberant is the best way to describe her. Just 5 min. from Lake Mary Blvd. & I-4. I have digits, if interested, pm me fro details.

Jethrow[/QUOTE]Hi,

I live close to there!

Can you give me details please?

Thank you very much!

[size=+1][b]Hobbyist:[/b][/size]

- [b]Read[/b] as much as you can and share your own conclusions. From personal experiences, most of other sites are serving advertisers and they are providers oriented. You can see these pus?ies (some are even using same id names). I suggest having this forum as your first reading.

- Be worried if providers keep changing their names, their look, their phones, age, locations...etc.

- Do not ask these questions on the phone: Will I get laid? Does she do greek? Can I cum twice? No sexual acts or activities!! Where exactly are you?

- Have exact amount of cash. After all, she isn't a bank teller. If you expect her to have the proper change, chances are you'll be disappointed and end up letting her keep the change.

- Always have your own supply of condoms. It's ok to have more than one.

- Prepare as you prepare for a date, be showered and dressed.

- Take away valuables from sight. This is not a test of honesty.

- Be sober.

- if you like the services tip and tell others. You won’t keep her for yourself. Actually you are hurting her by not telling others about her. She will provide for others any way.

- you can also frequent her. There are some findings when you find a beautiful smart girl who really needed money at a point and she became comfortable with you. You can either introduce her to close friends and keep it confidential or it could also be NSA girl-friend. It all depends on both of you.

-[b] Use common sense[/b]

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[size=+1][b]Providers:[/b][/size]

- Make good impressions be funny, sexy, nice, down to earth…etc. When we call it's not only because we want to know more info. We are trying to get a taste of who you are. Example; I called a very gorgeous girl the other day and she said "all what you need to know is in my ad" then hung up. Though she is extremely gorgeous I did not call her back. If she has an attitude over the phone how would she be when I see her?

- Give an idea of your menu without up-selling. You might think guys are going to negotiate so you start asking big $$$ believe me that's not right! It is risky because you might get into discussing details. Offer street rates believe me we do our shopping and there's a lot of fish in the sea. Also as you see guys talk to each other (this forum is an example). Do not think that he will call your other phone number so you can give him a better deal.

Example:
services offered are sensual massage, lap dance, light body rub, ...etc

??$ 1/2hr Incalls f/s ??$ (Location)
??$ Full Hr Incalls (f/s included)
Outcalls available depend where you are?
A smart provider would not have 1hr rate = 2*0.5hr
If you are doing something different or do not offer f/s be clear

- Have in your menu full services if not then I think you need to find a different job ... be very clear stating no f/s provided

- [b] Be clear and use common sense[/b]

- Post a number, rate, your own recent picture. Do not hide. For example do not hide the number i.e. 4/0/7. Hiding means you have something to hide i.e. bad reviews as you do not want customers to search CL.

- Learn things like 1full hour or up to an hour and do not mislead guys saying it costs such *$ for an 1hr then when he cums after few minutes it's over!! this should be clear in your menu when you quote 0.5hr and there is 1hr rate that means this is 1 solid hour customers can have more than 1 cup.

-[b]Common sense[/b]
*have a shower, clean well, wax, shave, little make up prepare for a date

-Try to have friends and/or regulars and do not rush (the difference between a rushed and unrushed session is minutes and it would pay you)


- Do not play games
examples;
*if the customer scheduled .5hr and told you there's a chance he'd use 1hr do not be silly saying oh that's another .5hr rate
*.5hr rate is not for full service!!
*No shopping malls if you want this then pay this $!! It is a complete turn-off

-So far I am talking about straight fun no fetishes

-pleasing your customer is easy and every woman is born with this instinct.

- want to reduce your problems with Leo
*use cl with your street rates you won't need to walk the street and instead things would be safer for us all

-do not use more than one manager (lead,...etc) at the same time. Be clear and honest. Do not connive and fool them trying to get from here and there.

- Be honest in describing yourself and services. Remember to each his own.

[size=+1][b]Hobbyist & Providers:[/b][/size]

-[b] Use common sense[/b]
*do not steal, scam, rip-off …etc. customers/providers.
*do not steal, scam, rip-off …etc. other providers
*do not out smart others or play games
*do not steal, scam ..etc your manager, lead...
*do not break promises (terms if you have sort of agreement). Do not promise what you can not fulfill.
*be honest and upfront.
*be clear
*Use all morals and values. It pays.
*Remember we are humans
*Treat others the way you want to be treated
*have a shower, clean well, ...etc.

[b]What goes around comes around.[/b]

-[b]No drama[/b]

OrlandoJ - As usual solid and beneficial advice. The one thing I would clarify is for hobbyists to ask their provider if sharing positive reviews is ok with them. I've actually shared positive reviews in the past and had my provider PO'd because they would prefer NOT to have reviews shared on them. Not saying the info couldn't be traded - just not in a public forum (TER, etc.).

My 2 cents - take it or leave it - and always appreciate your advice.

TV

I know myself if I do not post it right away I will forget. Here is a well written;
[QUOTE=Member #1381]
And regarding introductions in public places (including airports)....
1. DO NOT ACT LIKE A HOBBYIST!!! Use you hobby intuition and senses but be your "profressional and casual" self.

2. DO NOT APPROACH HER IN HER PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY OUT IN THE OPEN. Smiling and perhaps asking where she is going and staying are simple ice breakers. There are a million common every day ice breakers that can come up on the spot.. Use them... If/once you're alone and the ice has been broken and you've engaged in some chit-chat. You may imply that "I know I've seen you before".. And let her get that coy little girlish look and smile on her face and let you know who she is. Give her the opportunity to decide whether she wants to talk "business" or not... Many of these girls get a lot of hassel in the grocery stores, the mall, the gym and other public places... And often time they are with family or friends and don't need the hassle and bullshit of us mongerers and hobbyists calling them out in public. So have a little respect for them!!! They do have private lives too...

3. Leave her with a number to call you if she is ever in your area and have questions on where to eat or stay.... Works for me!!!!

Some are very direct and to the point whether in private or in public. These are the ones that will do business in a Burger King line at the airport. While there are those that have a little more character and professionalism about how to handle "coincidental meeting".

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[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=524453#post524453[/url]
Some thoughts:
Point #3 She might give you her card or phone, email ... etc.
Point #4 Do not be pushy becuase she is a working girl.
Point #5 If you are not sure if she is or she is not. You lost nothing. Actually I used to be shy but the skills I developed being a hobbyist gave me confidence.
J

I hate when this happens. What would you do and how far?
1) Do nothing! Sorry you are hurting yourself and others big time
2) Take actions. How far it's up to you?

Post details and descriptions of scammers with as much identifying marks as you can every where. You would say posting details won't get your losses but it would:
1) Warn other fellows (posting as much details every where)
2) Give her and her gang a hard time (they will think twice and work for $ instead. It would also intimidate others from ripping guys off. You won't be a an easy future target). Rip-off gangs change phone #'s so if you were an easy target they will send you another girl to rip you off. If they know you will cost them more than what they will gain they will at least avoid you. So do not hesitate to revenge.
3) Look for them on CL, posted pictures by other fellows, ocso, cfcwarrants, ...etc.
4) Someone might identify them. They might have warrants against them.
5) If someone reported a similar scam or rip-off contact them. Most probably they are the same gang but may be a different girl.

These are some thoughts.
J

[QUOTE=Giani]
At the risk of repeating myself, here are my 13 rules of "Mongering 101."
Note rule #5:

1) Only carry as much $$ as you are willing to lose... I always stash all valuables (my wallet, extra cash, cell phone, etc.) in a hidden spot.

2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., in Cincinnati, they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting.

3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Catch her eye and pull around the corner onto the next side street and let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye.

4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away if your close up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by...) Tell her you thought she was someone else.

5) Ask her if she needs a ride. She should say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Do NOT negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that LE stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. Please: if anyone knows differently, let us know. [SWs, in order to stay out of jail, may occasionally be forced to serve as decoys. They may get into the car. But if you refrain from discussion business until you are out of the neighborhood, and certain you are not being tailed, you should be OK.] If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.

6) Once she is in the car, get IMMEDIATELY out of the neighborhood. (Local LE will stop you if they see a known SW in your car--take my word for it...) Cop a feel of her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out. And again, get out of the pick up neighborhood--I was once stopped by LE because he recognized the SW I had in the car.

7) Go to YOUR location unless given a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. Be cautious of locations where you have no easy exit.

8) NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a small token up front, but NEVER the whole amount. If she refuses, then thanks but no thanks. Once she has your money, it is problematic to turn her out. This includes fronting money so they can buy some "butter." Money in their hand may mean you will never get into their bush...

9) The use of drugs is can be a problem, but try to read what it might be. Crack leaves them still cogent, able to reason, may make them more enthusiastic and not totally out of it, in my experience. Heroin (dog food) addiction on the other hand leads to dangerous situations. Crack (in my experience) creates a dependancy, but not the kind of withdrawal that becomes an emergency for them. I have heard that crank can make them very horny--do not have direct experience. If they seem REALLY drugged up, another reason to turn them out. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.

10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.

11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flair quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet, extra $$ and valuables elsewhere, right?

12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you might not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, her name, exactly where, when, how you connected.

13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, drugged out or HIV positive SWs. Remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have too much temptation placed in front of them--even they can "grab and run."

Stay safe--even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal.

Giani[/QUOTE]

This is an initial report for avoiding fake ads
-If the pictures have watermarks. The pictures are taken off of websites. A real girl will have her original pictures.
-If IT LOOKS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT IS NOT TRUE!! And that means when you see a beautiful girl photographed with perfect lighting by an obvious professional - 99% of the time, it’s simply a photo lifted off the internet! Beware! Next…if you see a beautiful girl whose photo is somehow pixillated (it has jagged edges) it’s a low resolution image again - lifted from the internet!
Watch out for multiple ads - all with beautiful girls - and all with the same or similar phone numbers! They’re clearly agency (same management, team, same pimp ... etc.) ads! Most agencies either use all real ads - or all fake ads! Rarely do they mix and match! Seek out amateur photography with less lighting than the slick stuff - and shadows which indicate the absence of back-lighting - a photographer’s tool to avoid unwanted shadows. Yes, there ARE amateur shots on the web which can be downloaded and used to dupe the guileless consumer. But on balance, amateur photogrpahy will bring the real girl a greater percentage of the time than the slick shots.
Always do your [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=518147&postcount=50]homework[/url] before seeing a girl. Search for reviews. Google girls info and the number. And don’t believe all the reviews. Read between the lines. Girls post reviews on themselves frequently.
When calling the number, ask if these are real pictures of the girl. Any answer other than yes creates doubts. But this is a question designed to lead up to the admonition. Your next move? Tell the person on the phone (politely) that it would be a new deal if she is a fake girl…a) you won’t give her a dime for carfare if you did not like her…b) you’ll be exposing them c) if you like her you could have a new deal of course less than the original one
Don’t say it belligerently! Simply explain that you’ve been hoodwinked before - you work hard for your money - and you’re simply being an educated consumer.
Anybody in his right mind won’t send a fake under these circumstances. But if they do…follow through on your promise.
Agencies love to prey on the weak. Don’t be weak and they’ll respect that.
[url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=524985&postcount=56]Fight rip-off[/url]
- [b] Be clear, upfront, use common sense and expect the same[/b]
These are my thoughts
J

I will be traveling to Orlando on Friday. Have not been in the city for years. (live there until I was 18, which was many years ago) an I am interested in two things. First the ladies, after reading the many great posts I plan on visiting one of the AMPs. No car prevents me from the SW tour and I will be in a hotel with many co-workers so I am not willing for a visitation to my room....but that is not the reason for my post. I will not have time to get a hair cut at my favorite asian barber before my arrival so I am intereted to know if anyone knows of a lady asian barber that takes pride in her work and is good at what she does. A neck massage after the haircut would be nice. If anyone knows of a barber that does the Korean "massagi" service that would be even better.
Anyway, thanks for any info that can be provided and I will report on my activities in the city.

Frank

Hi, I'm 42 y/o looking for female companionship BDSM style. Having read many of the reports I guess that Independent women is the best. Anyone with experience that could recommend someone. I'm looking for a dominant woman for 1-2 hours in my hotel, Disney Resort.

Thanks!

I had some work in San Diego and got an opportunity to visit Tijuana tonight. We went to Adelaides and that was the most fun I've ever had in a strip club. The girls were solid 7's with a sprinkling of 9's.

I still cannot believe that you just approach a gal and than follow her upstairs for maybe $70.00 a FS shot.

The street corner taco vendor's hit the other spot too.

Its 2:55am San Diego and part of me is tempted to make another run for the border before my 9am flight back to Orlando.

I wish there was something like this in the Carribbean besides the hassle of Cuba.

I highly recommend the trip if your in the area.

I went there for a FULL 7 days, damn that was a tiring and expensive trip. Gotta say I had alot of fun though.

Know your rights. Cops are allowed to lie to suspects. Watch this:
[url]http://iwantmylawyer.org/busted.html[/url]
If anyone would like to share information and/or update guides please feel free. Also, you are more than welcome to pm me.
J

I know to each their own but what's the best time to hit the trail? Went tonight and saw a handful but nothing to write home about. Another thing is I read someone said at night it's not best because one can't see faces that great. Can someone PM me.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jethrow]I know to each their own but what's the best time to hit the trail? Went tonight and saw a handful but nothing to write home about. Another thing is I read someone said at night it's not best because one can't see faces that great. Can someone PM me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Well Jethrow that is some of the best ADVICE I have read. Thanks OJ, I wish I knew all that when I was younger. Good vidio a "Must view".

Dave