Strip Club Reports

Just wanted to offer a warning to patrons at Curves. There's a young, petite, short slender Caucasian brunette w / a butterfly tattoo on her lower back, and curly hair down to her shoulder blades (never properly heard her stage name because it was too loud. Something like Joanna); she says she cleans houses during the day, and dances at night. She likes to play the innocent, shy, ditzy drunk girl game. Implies that if you take her to VIP, you might get some take-out later.

I cannot stand the VIP section at Curves (the black lights make me feel sick) so we went to the couches on the other end, close to the entrance. Unfortunately, there was another dancer and customer in there, as well (important detail for later).

I bought her a couple drinks, had a couple decent dances. And then she started her hustle:

First she does the 'ol: "I drank too much, I have to pee *giggle*" routine. She gets up to go to the bathroom, but instead of going to the bathroom, she goes to the back office for about 5 minutes.

I have a drink myself, and she gets back and we have a couple more dances.

Then she claims she "has to pee again". Riiight.

This time, she went out back with a friend.

When she gets back, she asks how many dances we've done. Again, she plays the ditzy drunk girl who cannot remember, and lowballs the number to entice me to get more dances. I planned on a couple more, anyways, so we get 2 more.

I tell her I have to get going, and again she plays the drunk ditz, saying she cannot remember how many dancers we had, because she was "just so into it". Riiight.

Then she says, "we did about 10 dances, right? It's $20 a dance back here, so you owe me $200.

Amazing how quickly she became a math whiz.

I say, "yeah, I don't think so, sweetheart. " It isn't wise to try to bullshit numbers with a guy who crunches numbers for a living, and has a photographic memory.

So she goes to the bouncer for a count. Mr bouncer was apparently counting by song, not dance, and tells me I owe for 12.

I call bullshit, and the guy says I cannot leave until I pay, and calls over the manager. The other patron overheard the conversation, and starts telling him how I spent most of my time just sitting around waiting on the dancer, and that it was impossible that I owed that much because he'd been in there longer than me, and didn't owe that much yet. Luckily, I'm on good terms with the manager, who I've talked with over a long period of time. When I briefly mentioned the dancer's couple of shots of vodka during me account of the night to the manager, the conversation came to a sudden conclusion. I paid what I owed and went home for a well-needed night's sleep.

For the first time ever, I am grateful that there was another customer in that lounge with me.

Long story short: this isn't the first time I've run into this scam. I'd wager that the bouncers and dancers have their own little hustles going on together. Watch your wallets, gentlemen.

[QUOTE=DesertRat520;2129151]Just wanted to offer a warning to patrons at Curves. There's a young, petite, short slender Caucasian brunette w / a butterfly tattoo on her lower back, and curly hair down to her shoulder blades (never properly heard her stage name because it was too loud. Something like Joanna); she says she cleans houses during the day, and dances at night. She likes to play the innocent, shy, ditzy drunk girl game. Implies that if you take her to VIP, you might get some take-out later.

I cannot stand the VIP section at Curves (the black lights make me feel sick) so we went to the couches on the other end, close to the entrance. Unfortunately, there was another dancer and customer in there, as well (important detail for later).

I bought her a couple drinks, had a couple decent dances. And then she started her hustle:

First she does the 'ol: "I drank too much, I have to pee *giggle*" routine. She gets up to go to the bathroom, but instead of going to the bathroom, she goes to the back office for about 5 minutes.

I have a drink myself, and she gets back and we have a couple more dances.

Then she claims she "has to pee again". Riiight.

This time, she went out back with a friend.

When she gets back, she asks how many dances we've done. Again, she plays the ditzy drunk girl who cannot remember, and lowballs the number to entice me to get more dances. I planned on a couple more, anyways, so we get 2 more.

I tell her I have to get going, and again she plays the drunk ditz, saying she cannot remember how many dancers we had, because she was "just so into it". Riiight.

Then she says, "we did about 10 dances, right? It's $20 a dance back here, so you owe me $200.

Amazing how quickly she became a math whiz.

I say, "yeah, I don't think so, sweetheart. " It isn't wise to try to bullshit numbers with a guy who crunches numbers for a living, and has a photographic memory.

So she goes to the bouncer for a count. Mr bouncer was apparently counting by song, not dance, and tells me I owe for 12.

I call bullshit, and the guy says I cannot leave until I pay, and calls over the manager. The other patron overheard the conversation, and starts telling him how I spent most of my time just sitting around waiting on the dancer, and that it was impossible that I owed that much because he'd been in there longer than me, and didn't owe that much yet. Luckily, I'm on good terms with the manager, who I've talked with over a long period of time. When I briefly mentioned the dancer's couple of shots of vodka during me account of the night to the manager, the conversation came to a sudden conclusion. I paid what I owed and went home for a well-needed night's sleep.

For the first time ever, I am grateful that there was another customer in that lounge with me.

Long story short: this isn't the first time I've run into this scam. I'd wager that the bouncers and dancers have their own little hustles going on together. Watch your wallets, gentlemen.[/QUOTE]She's trying to pay her way through school. And has little mouths to feed. And possibly a habit as well. So hey man, cut her some slack dude! Riiight! Thanks for the heads up even though I don't frequent strip clubs in Tucson. Now if I were back in the Tampa / St. Pete area; that's the land of plenty!

Both clubs are charging for not just dances in the Champagne room, but for sitting down time too. You sit for 2 and she dances for 3, then owe for 5 dances. Scam.

[QUOTE=CuteAndCoo;2129284]Both clubs are charging for not just dances in the Champagne room, but for sitting down time too. You sit for 2 and she dances for 3, then owe for 5 dances. Scam.[/QUOTE]I heard about this dumb new rule at Raider's a few months ago from one of my favorite dancers, Heather, she didn't like it either as we are used to taking a chat break between dances back in the VIP, but that "On the clock" attitude, $20/ dance, + the bouncer checking alot, and finally the 2 minute songs (maybe 2:30, never over 3:00) made me decide to stop going there altogether. I wonder how dead it is and if the sober customers notice the bad changes. I used to go during days, so it was pretty slow anyway, you'd think the management would want to make the customers happy, not at Raider's at least.

J.

[QUOTE=jymjim;2130415]I heard about this dumb new rule at Raider's a few months ago from one of my favorite dancers, Heather, she didn't like it either as we are used to taking a chat break between dances back in the VIP, but that "On the clock" attitude, $20/ dance, + the bouncer checking alot, and finally the 2 minute songs (maybe 2:30, never over 3:00) made me decide to stop going there altogether. I wonder how dead it is and if the sober customers notice the bad changes. I used to go during days, so it was pretty slow anyway, you'd think the management would want to make the customers happy, not at Raider's at least.

J.[/QUOTE]No doubt stopped going there just based on the fact that a manager is poking his head in ever two effing seconds and one can't get any playtime.

[QUOTE=TucsonTaoist;2116749]Never was any good in my experience, only good looking.[/QUOTE]Is she at Venom now during the day?

They open at 6 am weekdays now. I decided to go after breakfast to check it out. I was one of two clients in the place. Not that many dancers, but what few there were were very attentive (handsy) and eager to please. Nice, early morning getting off to be enjoyed.

[QUOTE=jwny72;2131915]They open at 6 am weekdays now. I decided to go after breakfast to check it out. I was one of two clients in the place. Not that many dancers, but what few there were were very attentive (handsy) and eager to please. Nice, early morning getting off to be enjoyed.[/QUOTE]What kind of mileage was to be had at what cost range?

[QUOTE=AzTransplant;2132376]What kind of mileage was to be had at what cost range?[/QUOTE]I just heard that they changed the morning shift to 8 am opening. And the East club is suppose to reopen in February at some point.

I know that there has been a lot of talk about Sugar at Venom. Then she disappeared for a bit. Well, it looks like she has reappeared at the Boat. It looked like she was trying to get her job back. I will post if I hear of anything. And of anyone else hears of anything, please post. Be safe. Play safe. Especially with her.

Had been to the CS and was nearby so stopped by Venom today. Wow. I'm from out of town and only here a few months a year. Normally spend my $ and Curves. Anyway, only had about half hour, stopped in Venom, was approached by Danni and about 10 minutes later was in the cabana. Amazing BJ. Very sexy lady. There were a bunch of other hotties there too. What a great setup!

[QUOTE=Teepee12;2133156]Had been to the CS and was nearby so stopped by Venom today. Wow. I'm from out of town and only here a few months a year. Normally spend my $ and Curves. Anyway, only had about half hour, stopped in Venom, was approached by Danni and about 10 minutes later was in the cabana. Amazing BJ. Very sexy lady. There were a bunch of other hotties there too. What a great setup![/QUOTE]Don't mention what woman do on here and their names that is just asking for trouble, please.

[QUOTE=Nicolejerled;2134767]Don't mention what woman do on here and their names that is just asking for trouble, please.[/QUOTE]This same exact point was raised a while back on the Tampa board and a monger came up with a probable solution I'll share with you fine gentlemen. There's always been a lot of debate about sharing too much detail on the boards because of possible LE monitoring. I agree and disagree. BP providers have their methods to verify; whether they actually matter (in the legal sense) is also subject to debate. So sharing info on providers and SW's (because it's more than obvious to patrol LE anyway) should be fair game. Strippers feel you out figuratively and literally to see if they can trust you. But when cops suspect illegal activities in clubs, they just raid the place without malice. Which in turn causes the club to either close or take additional measures to ensure shit stays legit. But the truth is, as I mentioned in a past post, if any inference to illegal activities is mentioned in a post is cause for undercover to visit the girl to set up a take down. So to circumvent exposing these girls I suggest something to this effect. "I stopped by Venum last night and enjoyed myself." This simple statement infers that they got more than just a dance. Then the member who posted should only provide desired info to TRUSTED members for which girl / s he had the good time with. I know, this is not the end all to be all solution. It would sure make LE's job a lot more difficult. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=AzTransplant;2132376]What kind of mileage was to be had at what cost range?[/QUOTE]Well, my experience was that when I went to the stage to tip the other morning, the dancers handled my junk, and skillfully used buttocks as hands in an ultra pleasing manner, for an extended period while I was standing at the stage. I wear thin athletic shorts with nothing underneath, and I could have nutted right there if inclined. .

I didn't go to a VIP area, or inquire about extras or takeout. Got ordinary couch dances from a couple of dancers, both of whom were more than willing to get the job done (took care to stroke and caress my junk, essentially masturbating me in my pants, using hands, mouth and buttocks). Both were happy to make me cum, without taking my junk out of my shorts.

My strategy in all of this is to dress appropriately (super thin shorts) and let the dancer take the reins and go where she wants with my obvious boner (many try to get me off manually and by twerking it while using their hands too, and I never ask them to). If I get off, and the girl knows it and was an active participant in making it happen, I pay double the going rate for the number of dances it took. If I get blown or fucked (and dancers sometimes initiate those things, most often in a VIP area) I like to leave the girl with $100, even if it was just 3 songs.

Of course, YMMV, but I've had a lot of fun over the years without asking for what I was given in many cases.

[QUOTE=CuteAndCoo;2132657]I just heard that they changed the morning shift to 8 am opening. And the East club is suppose to reopen in February at some point.[/QUOTE]I guess I was there around 9, so this may have happened already.

What is to keep LE from creating a profile that looks legit, they have more information about the sex industry than any one of us. So if you get a pm from a senior member how does one know if they are or aren't LE. Secondly that would be a lovely method if more people would actually respond to PM's. LEO's love to investigate strip clubs because that means they get to spend weeks hanging out at strip clubs looking at naked women, getting lap daces and getting them to say compromising / do things all while getting paid to drink booze. I will garner a guess LE only raids clubs when they have had way too many complaints about disruption to the local area, such as shootings in parking lots, or a load of junkies buying and selling and steeling in the area. The one place that I feel might be the exception is by the air port as Tucson has a thing about protecting its image. If the forum community was a more forth coming with the PM's and less open about things in posts I agree it would be better for all of us. The amount of flack I got suggesting that we should keep to the $ . 4 method of price disclosure makes me think that it is a loosing battle. Also according to media reports and press releases Tucson has dissolved their vice squad and reallocated those duties to local zones (Precinct) which means that the budget for such activities will come out of the zone and is much more at the discretion of the zones captain.

Here's the real thing about LE that applies to ALL of their enforcement making decisions, they have in the grand scheme of things they have a neigh infinite budget to investigate things, next to no deadlines, and they have to occasionally show the public that they are protecting them and doing good for them. This is even more the case on the federal level. I was at a couple of non titty bars talking to the bartenders and what TPD / PCSD have been doing lately is going in and making sure that all patrons have their I'd's on them as liquor law states that you must be able to show I'd to the bar at any time or they can not serve you and you must leave. Undoubtedly this would be their first line of attack on a club. I spent several years teaching martial art having many LE students. After hearing their stories learning how they think and how they just bend laws. There is next to nothing you can do to stop them if they want something to happen it will.